Squad selection for the Ashes

[courtjester]

Any thoughts on the squad's make up?

Noticed Symonds has taken 3-48 off 23 overs in the Shield final.

Is he a contender? If he can bowl should he play in McDonalds spot (batting at 8) when conditions/candidates don't warrant a spinner?

Can Watson bowl by then? Is he worth taking as a batsman only?

Should Brad Hodge go?

McDonald?

Lee?

[potatomasher]

Symonds is a batting all-rounder. I'm not really a fan of the McDonald at 8 concept, but he's a better bowler than Symo and that's what it should be mainly based on. I'd love to see Symonds get back into the team, but it would have to be North's spot that he was taking and North has done almost nothing wrong since being in the team.

Watson, the way he was bowling in India, I reckon wouldn't be too bad a candidate for McDonald's spot, but McDonald hasn't really done much to lose that spot. I like to think a bit more traditionally though, a pure bowler should be in McDonald's spot. Just because the South African batsmen have been impatient and reluctant to grind out big scores, doesn't mean our bowling attack will be good enough all the time.

[Flemy]

I dont like the current Australia make up of having only 3 real full time bowlers. Even though Mcdonald is a good bowler if his batting wasnt about a tail-ender level he wouldnt be in the team.

Lee should go instead of Bolliger and play instead of Hilf. Symonds shouldn't go. I recon his test career is over. Watson needs to be looked at as during the IPL. If he bowls alot of overs (how many overs can you actually bowl at 4 overs a game) take him if not dont. I'd also like to see Klinger go as he has had an amazing year. Drop Hauritz as defencive bowlers kill the game and kill teams.

[Offsider]

Symonds should never be considered for McDonald's role but rather the number 6 spot, yet I would have him behind North and Watson. If Watson is bowling well, then I would play him in the number 6 spot as he is capable of scoring runs and bowling well (he scored a century on his comeback at first class level).

I would either play a spinner (McGain, not Hauritz as he is defensive), or a fast bowler (ideally Clark) instead of McDonald to add potency to the attack who struggle to take wickets on flat pitches and reduces bowler burnout. I would only bring Lee into the team if he performs during the IPL and one day series, but as a back up bowler. I think an extra batsman will be taken as well, Klinger or Rogers appear to be the main candidates here. Two keepers should also be taken, I would like to see Hartley go as he is the best 'Keeper' in Australia, and his batting has improved.

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Hartley looked all at see keeping today against the Queensland spinner Doran.

[grizzlym]

Wade looked good with the bat today though. But I don’t think it matters what either he or Hartley does in this game. Or what any of the other candidates have done during the year. Because my suspicion is they won't take a reserve keeper on this Ashes tour.

[matty p]

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus

Watson
Ferguson
McDonald
McGain

[Russian]

Hartley looked all at see keeping today against the Queensland spinner Doran.He's not alone there - Haddin is miles ahead of the rest for glovework to spinners.

[Selective Retention]

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus

North and Hilfenhaus still need a decent third test to secure their spots with Watson/Symonds and Lee/Clark to potentially return.

The 4 reserves are a little tougher. McGain should go as the spinner. Jaques has struggled since he returned to shield but he has been off a long lay off, averages 50 at test level and has made 1000's of runs in England, so I would still take him as the reserve batsman. Lee will go if fit and the last spot comes down to Watson/Symonds/McDonald. I would take Watson if fit and able to bowl.

[aussie1st]

North definitely would want another 100 in the 3rd test to make it near on impossible to drop him. Watson will have to be bowling if he is to make the squad, he will also be hoping he gets a chance to bat in the Shield final to show what he can do.

[BigCat2]

Batsmen
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Watson

Keeper
Haddin

Bowlers
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus
McGain
McDonald
Bollinger

No reserve keeper - haven't had one for the last few tours I think. Someone can be flown over at short notice if required.

Watson as the reserve batsman if he's back bowling. More suited to the middle order at this stage, and can provide cover if Hussey or North lose form. If Phil Jaques was in form then he's an option for reserve top order bat, but he's been struggling since coming back from injury. Hodge has been marked as never to play Test cricket again and looks like Rogers has the missed the boat also.

Top 5 bowlers I'd have would be Johnson, Siddle, Clark, Hilfenhaus and McGain. 1 of them will miss out depending on pitch conditions and the attack we want. Bollinger is the depth fast bowler.

McDonald I've classified as a bowler at this stage. Has scored runs at domestic level, but so far bats behind Haddin and hasn't scored a run. A bit of a stretch to call him an allrounder. He gets to tour based on the credits he's earned in the matches he's played so far.

Lee and Symonds miss out. A lot of factors stacked against Symonds: his age, lack of commitment recently and lack of form. I'd say that with Hughes, Ponting, Clarke and Haddin playing their aggressive style of batting, we need more stability in the rest of the batting order, not another dasher.

As for Lee, well for starters he'll need to show that he's back in form and back bowling fast, as a bare minimum. But even if he does that, I don't really see what he'd add to our attack. No quicker than Johnson (who bowls with pace, control, hostility and is a left armer), doesn't provide the aggression of Siddle, nowhere near the accuracy of Clark and doesn't swing the ball like Hilfenhaus. Selectors might want to include him, but only at Bollinger's expense - I'd be furious if it was in place of one of our performing quicks.

[grizzlym]

Batsmen
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Watson

Keeper
Haddin

Bowlers
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus
McGain
McDonald
Bollinger

No reserve keeper - haven't had one for the last few tours I think. Someone can be flown over at short notice if required.


I think you're pretty much spot on. I think Watson might go if he's back bowling and then would take McDonald's spot. I reckon Calum Ferguson will be the reserve batsman selected to go.

[BigCat2]

Yeah forgot about Ferguson. One for the future and the tour would be good experience for him even if he doesn't play a game.

Not sure about Watson taking McDonald's spot. One of the problems we've had in the past 2 Tests has been only having 3 frontline bowlers. So far we've done well despite being light on with our seam attack. While I love what Watson can bring to our side if he's fit, he wouldn't take the spot of a full time paceman - we don't want him having to bowl more than 10-15 overs a day. Also it's going to be tough for him if we decide to not play a specialist spinner. North is the incumbent anyway, so should probably start in the first Ashes Test.

[Offsider]

Batsmen
No reserve keeper - haven't had one for the last few tours I think. Someone can be flown over at short notice if required.

With the ashes tour being three months long, including one days and 20/20 world cup, the selectors might be forced to send out a reserve keeper due to Haddin's workload. It is also a 30 hour flight to the UK and with jet lag it might be hard to fly a keeper over in between back-to-back tests.

The selectors would probably take a tour party of maybe 16 or even 17. Does anyone know how many they took during 2005?

[grizzlym]

Not sure about Watson taking McDonald's spot. One of the problems we've had in the past 2 Tests has been only having 3 frontline bowlers. So far we've done well despite being light on with our seam attack. While I love what Watson can bring to our side if he's fit, he wouldn't take the spot of a full time paceman - we don't want him having to bowl more than 10-15 overs a day. Also it's going to be tough for him if we decide to not play a specialist spinner. North is the incumbent anyway, so should probably start in the first Ashes Test.

I hear what you're saying, but I'm taking a 'best case' view of Watson. I thought the way he bowled at the end of the Indian tour was great and, in my book, he held his place as a bowler. So yes, it's a bit of wishful thinking on my behalf given his injury woes, but that's where i see him slotting in especially given the current structure of the Australian side. I like us playing 6 specialised batsmen; we look stronger. Sure you could play him as a specialised batsman but I think now's the time to give Ferguson a taste.

[japaljarri]

Batsmen
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Watson

Keeper
Haddin

Bowlers
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus
McGain
McDonald
Bollinger

No reserve keeper - haven't had one for the last few tours I think. Someone can be flown over at short notice if required.
.


Looks pretty good. l'd put Ferguson in for Watson. North must play.

If Watson can bowl l'd put him ahead of a kind of unlucky Mcdonald - but neither in my XI. Six best bats which for me is North at 6 atm. And choosing from MJ, Sids, and 2 of fit Clark, Hilf or McGain depending on form/pitches closer to the time.

l'd probably take a fit Lee over Bollinger but certainly not anyone else. If there is an injury and the emergency last picked seamer (only reason for them to play) has to come in to an Ashes test at short notice l think l'd prefer lee

Get a keeper (or next 3-4 players in line) playing county cricket somewhere. Easy call up if required.

[matty p]

Batsmen:
1. Hughes
2. Katich
3. Ponting
4. Clarke
5. Hussey
6. North
7. Watson (Back up batsman or the backup for the 4th bowler like the role McDonald is playing now)
8. Ferguson/Another specialist batsman (Back up for any batting position between 3 and 6)

Keeper:
9. Haddin (No back up needed, as someone else can be flown out later if they are needed)

Bowlers:
10. Johnson
11. Siddle
12. Hilfenhaus
13. Clark
14. McGain (Back up bowler, only to be used if one of the 4 pacemen are injured and if the pitch is extremely spin friendly)
15. McDonald (I'd have Watson ahead of him, but think he will make the squad anyway as another backup bowler or allrounder)

So same XI as in South Africa but Clark in for McDonald.

Ferguson, Watson, McDonald and McGain as the 4 back ups with the rest playing in the 1st test.

[jonesy86]

Batsmen
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Watson

Keeper
Haddin

Bowlers
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus
McGain
McDonald
Bollinger



Out: McDonald and Bollinger
In: Wade/Symonds and Lee

[JerryWexler]

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
McDonald
Clark
Hilfenhaus
McGain

Then throw a blanket over;

Lee
Symonds
Watson
Ferguson
Jaques
Geeves
Noffke

For the last 2 spots.

Lee will probably get 1 nod, but he wouldn't if I was picking the team.

[eth-dog]

Batters:
Hughes
Katich
Rogers
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Ferguson

Keepers:
Haddin
Wade

Bowlers:
McDonald
Johnson
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Clark
McGain
Hauritz/Krezja

take Wade and Ferguson to get a taste for the Australian team, but the squad covers all bases. Symmo might go instead of Ferg or Wade

[The 747]

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
McDonald
Clark
Hilfenhaus
McGain

Then throw a blanket over;

Lee
Symonds
Watson
Ferguson
Jaques
Geeves
Noffke

For the last 2 spots.

Lee will probably get 1 nod, but he wouldn't if I was picking the team.

Pretty much right. Although Noffke is no chance, replace with Bollinger - not that I rate Bollinger anyway.

I think of that list they will take 1 experienced player and 1 young player.

[Dylza94]

Best team in Australia atm (with a spinner).

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Ponting
4. M.Clarke
5. M.Hussey
6. Hodge
7. Haddin
8. Watson
9. Johnson
10. S.Clark
11. McGain
Subs: pick the Victorian team.

Siddle is one of my favourites, and he always gives his hardest. If we didn't need a spinner I would take McGain out straightaway.

[The Governor]

Pretty much right. Although Noffke is no chance, replace with Bollinger - not that I rate Bollinger anyway.

I think of that list they will take 1 experienced player and 1 young player.

Here is my squad to tour ENgland:

Phil Hughes
Simon Katich
RICKY (CAPT)
Michael Clarke
Michael Hussey
Marcus North
Mitchell Johnson
BRad Haddin
Peter Siddle
Bryce McGain
Ben Hilfenhauss
Bryce McGain
Andrew McDonald

14th: Doug Bollinger
15th: Matthew Wade
16th: Michael Hill

I have thrown in a smokey in the paperwork. Michael Hill is a promising top order left hand batsman who was the captain the Australian UNder 19 team last year. He played alongside Phil Hughes.

Who needs Brett Lee, Stuart Clark and David Hussey!!

[grizzlym]

Best team in Australia atm (with a spinner).

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Ponting
4. M.Clarke
5. M.Hussey
6. Hodge
7. Haddin
8. Watson
9. Johnson
10. S.Clark
11. McGain
Subs: pick the Victorian team.

Siddle is one of my favourites, and he always gives his hardest. If we didn't need a spinner I would take McGain out straightaway.

In my book, Siddle and Johnson are the first 2 bowlers picked. I think ultimately that Watson has to slot in at 8 playing as a bowler. But with McGain, first First i think he has to prove himself at the top level and, even then, I think he'll only play on wickets which offer assistance. Gone are the days of automatically playing spinners I suspect. BTW did you see the Jamie Cox interview about the role of a spinner in the Australian team?

[Dylza94]

In my book, Siddle and Johnson are the first 2 bowlers picked. I think ultimately that Watson has to slot in at 8 playing as a bowler. But with McGain, first First i think he has to prove himself at the top level and, even then, I think he'll only play on wickets which offer assistance. Gone are the days of automatically playing spinners I suspect. BTW did you see the Jamie Cox interview about the role of a spinner in the Australian team?

Yeah, if its not a spinners pitch bring Siddle straight in and have Katich, Clarke and Hodge bowl part time.

No I didn't see the Jamie Cox interview, what happened/where can I see it?

[The 747]

Here is my squad to tour ENgland:

Phil Hughes
Simon Katich
RICKY (CAPT)
Michael Clarke
Michael Hussey
Marcus North
Mitchell Johnson
BRad Haddin
Peter Siddle
Bryce McGain
Ben Hilfenhauss
Bryce McGain
Andrew McDonald

14th: Doug Bollinger
15th: Matthew Wade
16th: Michael Hill

I have thrown in a smokey in the paperwork. Michael Hill is a promising top order left hand batsman who was the captain the Australian UNder 19 team last year. He played alongside Phil Hughes.

Who needs Brett Lee, Stuart Clark and David Hussey!!

I see you have MJ above Haddin in the batting, that won't happen at this stage. MJ has a lot of promise as a batsman but we need to be careful to not put too much on his shoulders. A year ago he was lucky to be in the team now we want him to lead the attack, swing the ball and score runs at 7. Too much, if he keeps batting well then a promotion may happen down the track.

You also have McGain listed twice :cool: He is not that good.

But Bollinger has little chance - pretty obvious the team/selectors don't rate him as much as the others.

We won't take a reserve wk, we will just grab one from county cricket if needed.

And if we take a young bat it will be Ferguson. Hill has done nothing to justify a spot, he may have played with Hughes but Hughes has scored the runs at FC level and now Test level.

[The 747]

Best team in Australia atm (with a spinner).

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Ponting
4. M.Clarke
5. M.Hussey
6. Hodge
7. Haddin
8. Watson
9. Johnson
10. S.Clark
11. McGain
Subs: pick the Victorian team.

Siddle is one of my favourites, and he always gives his hardest. If we didn't need a spinner I would take McGain out straightaway.

Watson ahead of Siddle as a specialist bowler? :eek:

[Dylza94]

Watson ahead of Siddle as a specialist bowler? :eek:

Yeah, I dunno. I like to have batting that goes down to like 9. McGain and Clark are bad at batting though.

[The 747]

Yeah, I dunno. I like to have batting that goes down to like 10. McGains bad at batting though.

Yeah batting depth is good but Siddle averages 15 with the bat at Test level and Watson averages 19. Siddle is decent enough for a tailender.

Watson has 14 wickets from 8 Tests at 35.57.

Siddle has 28 wickets from 6 Tests at 26.25.

Siddle is an automatic selection in the Australian team for now. If he is fit he will play every Test we play so long as that sort of average and wicket taking continues.

[Dylza94]

Yeah batting depth is good but Siddle averages 15 with the bat at Test level and Watson averages 19. Siddle is decent enough for a tailender.

Watson has 14 wickets from 8 Tests at 35.57.

Siddle has 28 wickets from 6 Tests at 26.25.

Siddle is an automatic selection in the Australian team for now. If he is fit he will play every Test we play so long as that sort of average and wicket taking continues.

Watson hasn't really found his feet at test level yet, he averages over 50 in first-class (I think). Siddle if a better bowler but I would still have him as a replacement for McGain.

[The 747]

Watson hasn't really found his feet at test level yet, he averages over 50 in first-class (I think). Siddle if a better bowler but I would still have him as a replacement for McGain.

Yes I understand that. But if Siddle had lesser figures people would be saying he is still finding his feet at Test level too. And only MJ would be picked ahead of Siddle now.

[Blue Dimension]

1. Hughes
2. Katich
3. Ponting
4. Clarke
5. Hussey
6. North
7. Haddin
8. Johnson
9. Siddle
10. Clark
11. Hilfenhaus

12. Lee
13. Mcgain
14. Watson (if fit, if not then Mcdonald)
15. Wade


That squad is merely a guess at what i think it will be, not at what i would like to see. I'd imagine they'd take Wade if they were to take a second keeper but somehow I have doubts over that.

As much as i disagree, I believe Lee will tour...he'll take some wickets in the IPL and then he'll be off to England, whether or not we agree or disagree with it.

Symonds won't get recalled, hasn't put a score on the board for months.

It's a pity Jaquesy wasn't able to find some nic before this tour, because you'd imagine he would have been in the squad had he made a solid comeback from injury with a few runs under his belt.

[grizzlym]

Yeah, if its not a spinners pitch bring Siddle straight in and have Katich, Clarke and Hodge bowl part time.

No I didn't see the Jamie Cox interview, what happened/where can I see it?

The Cox interview is on Cricinfo.

[/B]Further to my last post, I don't think Watson can possibly play in the Ashes in the all-rounder role as I've outlined. He's recovering from injury, not bowling at the moment and won't get the cricket under his belt before the tour. To my way of thinking picking him as batsman (even though he averages around 50 in first class cricket) is hedging our bets a bit. And that sort of selection policy has not really born fruit of late. Ultimately we want him playing the all-rounder role, he needs to be selected as that.

[Blue Dimension]

The Cox interview is on Cricinfo.

[/b]Further to my last post, I don't think Watson can possibly play in the Ashes in the all-rounder role as I've outlined. He's recovering from injury, not bowling at the moment and won't get the cricket under his belt before the tour. To my way of thinking picking him as batsman (even though he averages around 50 in first class cricket) is hedging our bets a bit. And that sort of selection policy has not really born fruit of late. Ultimately we want him playing the all-rounder role, he needs to be selected as that.

Sorry but that's an absolute load of trash.

Brett Lee will be playing just the same amount of cricket as Watson leading upto the Ashes.

Just continues to show the joke that is the Australian selection panel.

[grizzlym]

Sorry but that's an absolute load of trash.

Brett Lee will be playing just the same amount of cricket as Watson leading up to the Ashes.

Just continues to show the joke that is the Australian selection panel.

I'm afraid I didn't make myself very clear: I don't think either Watson or Lee should go on the Ashes tour. I don't like the idea of picking Watson as a specialised batsman. I think ultimately Watson needs to be selected as an all-rounder when his performances justify it and his body holds up.
And there aint enough quality cricket time for that to happen before the Ashes.
So what bit do you think is absolute trash?

[jimmy_clement#8]

If its 15:

Ponting, Clarke, Hughes, Katich, Hussey, North, Haddin, Watson, McDonald, Johnson, Lee, Clark, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, McGain.

That said, I think one of Watson or McDonald could/should be Hodge or Rogers instead.

[Blue Dimension]

I'm afraid I didn't make myself very clear: I don't think either Watson or Lee should go on the Ashes tour. I don't like the idea of picking Watson as a specialised batsman. I think ultimately Watson needs to be selected as an all-rounder when his performances justify it and his body holds up.
And there aint enough quality cricket time for that to happen before the Ashes.
So what bit do you think is absolute trash?

Pardon me, i thought that was a quote from the selectors quashing Watsons chances after pumping Lee up. My mistake, sorry buddy :o

[grizzlym]

Pardon me, i thought that was a quote from the selectors quashing Watsons chances after pumping Lee up. My mistake, sorry buddy :o

No probs dude. I thought it might have been lost in translation 'cause we seem to be on the same wavelength generally.

[Dez!]

Don't need a backup keeper, Chris Hartley will be over in England already and I'd imagine Tim Paine will also be over in England playing County Cricket so we can just draft them into the squad if need be.

[Jimthegreat]

Here's the Jimthegreat" squad....(knowing me, subject to change many times...lol!)

Sounds like they're taking 15 so here it is....It's what I think the selectors will take.

Bats

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey (3rd opener if necessary...hope he finds form!)
Clarke
North (will be 2nd spinner too)

Extra Bat

Ferguson (they always take one for experience)


All rounder

Watson (assuming bowling fitness. Be 5th quick. How unlucky would McDonald be but they'll only take one)

Keepers

Haddin
Wade (too long a tour not to have a 2nd keeper?)

Bowlers

Johnson
Clark
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
McGain

[Jimthegreat]

1. Hughes
2. Katich
3. Ponting
4. Clarke
5. Hussey
6. North
7. Haddin
8. Johnson
9. Siddle
10. Clark
11. Hilfenhaus

12. Lee
13. Mcgain
14. Watson (if fit, if not then Mcdonald)
15. Wade


That squad is merely a guess at what i think it will be, not at what i would like to see. I'd imagine they'd take Wade if they were to take a second keeper but somehow I have doubts over that.

As much as i disagree, I believe Lee will tour...he'll take some wickets in the IPL and then he'll be off to England, whether or not we agree or disagree with it.

Symonds won't get recalled, hasn't put a score on the board for months.

It's a pity Jaquesy wasn't able to find some nic before this tour, because you'd imagine he would have been in the squad had he made a solid comeback from injury with a few runs under his belt.

We're one different. You have an extra bowler. I have an extra bat.

[Jimthegreat]

Best team in Australia atm (with a spinner).

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Ponting
4. M.Clarke
5. M.Hussey
6. Hodge
7. Haddin
8. Watson
9. Johnson
10. S.Clark
11. McGain
Subs: pick the Victorian team.

Siddle is one of my favourites, and he always gives his hardest. If we didn't need a spinner I would take McGain out straightaway.:eek:

[TheColeTrain]

Best team in Australia atm (with a spinner).

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Ponting
4. M.Clarke
5. M.Hussey
6. Hodge
7. Haddin
8. Watson
9. Johnson
10. S.Clark
11. McGain
Subs: pick the Victorian team.

Siddle is one of my favourites, and he always gives his hardest. If we didn't need a spinner I would take McGain out straightaway.
How can you possibly claim that is the best team we have, that will not take 20 wickets to begin with, and Watson will never be good enough to take the place of a specialist bowler who is performing, especially when Watson isn't even bowling ATM.
Ridiculous team, if their is any change to the current side it will be just McDonald out for one of Clark or McGain.
That is it, you do not mess with a winning makeup

[Blue Dimension]

No probs dude. I thought it might have been lost in translation 'cause we seem to be on the same wavelength generally.


Yeah sorry again though, I just thought... the double standards a high if the selectors are backing Lee to the hilt and saying Watson is unlikely when he's playing just as much cricket as Lee before the Ashes. The only reason why Watson is in the squad is because last year the IPL got him going with short stints with the ball. I just think either both will tour (if fit), or neither will tour...it just depends which way the selectors choose to go.

Ever since the Symonds debacle I really don't have full confidence 100% of the time in the selections that the panel makes and when i saw what I thought was a comment from Jamie Cox playing down Watson's chances after Hilditch and Neilson had been backing Lee, as you can see i clearly thought it was rather dodgy.

We're one different. You have an extra bowler. I have an extra bat.

Yeah i figured they'll want more than just one bowler backup considering the amount of injuries our bowlers have been succumbing to over the past year or so. If an injury is to take place to a batsman they could always play Watson in the top 6 and he'd just be as good as anybody we currently have in the domestic ranks (yeah i know he hasn't been strong with the bat thus far but he's shown it many times before)

I guess they could always choose to take another batsman instead of Wade, and if any injury occurred to Haddin they could fly him over.

[Chris25]

Batsmen:
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Ferguson (reserve batsman)

Keepers:
Haddin
Manou (reserve keeper)

Bowlers:
Johnson
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Clark
Lee (Ryan Harris)
McGain (Cullen Bailey)

That is the squad that I think they will take. Personally I would take Ryan Harris over Brett Lee. Harris will be extremely suited to English conditions, he hits the pitch hard and gets swing. I would also take Cullen Bailey over Bryce McGain. I can't see the selectors playing a spinner, pace bowling is our strength and we have three part time spinners, so give a young spinner some exposure.

And all-rounders are seriously overrated. McDonald isn't good enough to be a batsman or a bowler, so he shouldn't be picked. Watson is not good enough to play as a top 6 batsman, and I don't think he should be rushed into bowling again.

[Jascave]

My 2009 Ashes tour of England squad:

Ricky Ponting (c)
Michael Clarke (vc)
Phillip Hughes
Simon Katich
Mike Hussey
Marcus North
Chris Rogers
David Hussey
Shane Watson
Andrew McDonald
Brad Haddin
Matthew Wade
Bryce McGain
Mitchell Johnson
Ben Hilfenhaus
Doug Bollinger
Stuart Clark

[TheColeTrain]

No Siddle?

[grizzlym]

Yeah sorry again though, I just thought... the double standards a high if the selectors are backing Lee to the hilt and saying Watson is unlikely when he's playing just as much cricket as Lee before the Ashes.

Again, don't sweat it. Perfectly understandable. I too have been perplexed by some of the selector's recent decisions. And the recent Brett Lee PR 'blitz', closely followed by Hilditch and Neilson's comments have me wondering if we're going down that path again.

If so, it's frustrating, because for the first time in ages the structure of the team looks right with 6 batsmen and 4 bowlers. (Obviously, McDonald's spot is open for debate, but he's played his part and whether McGain slots in there or Clarke or he retains it, our attack looks better balanced than it has for awhile.)

I also think over the last 3 tests our attack has bowled as a unit. As other people have outlined, the bowling attack's built pressure, stifled batsmen and worked together to a plan. I haven't seen that for awhile either.

My fear is that 'loyalty selections' could undo all that we've gained recently.
BTW you see Roebuck's article in today's Age about Lee?

[Marklar_33]

My 2009 Ashes tour of England squad:

Ricky Ponting (c)
Michael Clarke (vc)
Phillip Hughes
Simon Katich
Mike Hussey
Marcus North
Chris Rogers
David Hussey
Shane Watson
Andrew McDonald
Brad Haddin
Matthew Wade
Bryce McGain
Mitchell Johnson
Ben Hilfenhaus
Doug Bollinger
Stuart Clark

You were trying so hard to be so pro-Victorian that you left out the only Victorian certainty for the Test team :D

[Costanza_]

My tip for the first test...

Ponting (C)
Clarke (VC)
Hughes
Katich
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Lee
Siddle
Clark

With...

McDonald
McGain
Hilfenhaus
Ferguson/Jacques/Rogers

... to complete the 15 man squad.

[senrulzisback]

Here is my squad, including batting order:


1. Simon Katich
2. Phillip Hughes
3. Ricky Ponting (c)
4. Michael Clarke
5. Michael Hussey
6. Marcus North
7. Brad Haddin
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Peter Siddle
10. Bryce McGain
11. Stuart Clark

12. Ben Hilfenhaus
13. Brett Lee
14. Michael Klinger
15. Phil Jaques

[davey_magik]

I'd be extremely disappointed if Lee was on the tour.

His figures in England are average, he is well past his best and his only form will be in T20.

Compare this to Clark who is doing the right thing playing Country Cricket.

Clark for McDonald is my only change.

[beatnik]

Ashes squad (based on 17 selections)

Batsmen
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Jaques

All-rounders
Watson (batting all-rounder)
McDonald (bowling all-rounder)

Keeper
Haddin

Bowlers
Johnson
Clark
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
McGain
Lee
Krezja

My best 11

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus/McGain

...on an obviously spin-friendly pitch, i'd probably take McGain over Hilfenhaus (as much as it pains me to even consider exluding our best swing bowler in England)

that's a strong squad even though it assumes a return to fitness of 4 platers in Lee, Clark, Watson and Jaques

i can't wait to quash any English dreams of repeating 2005's aberration
;)

[senrulzisback]

I'd be extremely disappointed if Lee was on the tour.

His figures in England are average, he is well past his best and his only form will be in T20.

Compare this to Clark who is doing the right thing playing Country Cricket.

Clark for McDonald is my only change.
Come on, surely we will need at least one spinner?

[scooterselwood]

Hughes
Katich
Clarke
Hussey
Ponting
North
Haddin
Johnson
Lee
Siddle/McGain
Clark

Lees been to England twice before. sure, he hasn't done well over there, but hes the most experienced. he deserves a spot before hilfy.

[grizzlym]

Hughes
Katich
Clarke
Hussey
Ponting
North
Haddin
Johnson
Lee
Siddle/McGain
Clark

Lees been to England twice before. sure, he hasn't done well over there, but hes the most experienced. he deserves a spot before hilfy.
That's a small Ashes squad!

[GenuineMatchWinner]

Heres my attempt:
1. Phillip Hughes NSW
2. Simon Katich NSW
3. Ricky Ponting TAS
4. Michael Clarke NSW
5. Michael Hussey WA
6. Marcus North WA
7. Brad Haddin NSW
8. Mitchell Johnson WA
9. Peter Siddle VIC
10. Ben Hilfenhaus TAS
11 / 12. Andrew McDonald VIC / Chris Rogers VIC / Shane Watson QLD
13. Bryce McGain VIC
14. Stuart Clark NSW / Brett Lee NSW
15. Callum Ferguson SA / David Hussey VIC / Shane Watson QLD

Pretty hard to split a few players.
Listed Watson twice because he has a pretty good record in county cricket and was just starting to find his feet at test level. He could possibly tour as the reserve bat pending on form. Dave Hussey has an accomplished county career also and is always under consideration.
I am very impressed with Ferguson and would love to see him get his chance but might be squeezed out because of our middle order depth.
Rogers could tour easily and perform 2 roles, he could be the reserve opener to Hughes & Katich, but his record in England is good enough that he could play as a middle order bat and perform just as well.
McDonald is almost on the plane but his batting could be a worry, however his ability to choke and swing with the ball could be a massive weapon in English conditions.
The only other one under doubt is Clark or Lee, Clark will be the same as ever and we do require that still in the national team, but he must be fully fit and bowling at his peak to be effective, if his game is off he can be got to.
Lee is a big gamble to take, he is in his 30s and not bowling with the same ferocity as he was 3 years ago. However his workload had been massive and a decline was iminent, if he can come back and with a slightly lighter workload in the national side, he can easily be a threat again!
As for taking a 2nd keeper, not required IMO. Haddin is there, but Phil Hughes has kept in Under 19s and is quite accomplished and Mike Hussey has also kept at shield level before. A keeper would be flown out if Haddin got injured badly. Young Matt Wade could be a bolter if that were to happen.
Other players that could be considered are:
Doug Bollinger NSW
Steve Magoffin WA
Brad Hodge VIC
Nathan Hauritz NSW
Cameron White VIC
Brett Geeves TAS

[robbo75]

Hughes
Katich
Clarke
Hussey
Ponting
North
Haddin
Johnson
Lee
Siddle/McGain
Clark

Lees been to England twice before. sure, he hasn't done well over there, but hes the most experienced. he deserves a spot before hilfy.

Lee deserves a spot before Hilfenhaus based on what exactly? His form in India and against SA was garbage. In addition he's never bowled well in England. Hilfenhaus on the other hand has been a bit unlucky not too have picked up more wickets than he has. In general he has been bowling a good line and a reasonable length with decent pace. The big plus about his bowling is his ability to swing the ball. We all know what havoc Terry Alderman wreaked in England. IMO he should be a definite above Lee for the first team at least.

[scooterselwood]

That's a small Ashes squad!

obviously my favoured team...not squad.

[eth-dog]

Batters:
Hughes
Katich
Rogers
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Ferguson

Keepers:
Haddin
Wade

Bowlers:
McDonald
Johnson
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Clark
McGain
Hauritz/Krezja

take Wade and Ferguson to get a taste for the Australian team, but the squad covers all bases. Symmo might go instead of Ferg or Wade
From that squad:
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Clark
Hilfy/McGain (other 12th man)

Rogers
Wade
Ferguson
McDonald
Krazy/Ritz

[The 747]

I predict the 12 from the last Test.

Plus Clark, Lee and Ferguson.

Obviously I am not a fan of Brett Lee and would rather see him shot out of a cannon in a novelty act at lunch than be in the squad.

But that's who I think they will pick. Not really fussed on the reserve batsman, they could pick one from a few in contention.

Funny to see so many leave out Siddle. And the Cullen Bailey mention was special. :thumbsu:

[Chris25]

And the Cullen Bailey mention was special. :thumbsu:

Why thank you :)

He is the only decent young spinner in the country though, and chances are the selectors aren't going to be playing a spinner that often. They've shown they prefer the fast bowlers and part time spin. If they view pace as our strength, then there is no point in taking a 36 year old on tour. Better to give a young guy some experience. And the fact that Krejza and Hauritz are just plain ordinary doesn't hurt either.

[Costanza_]

I predict the 12 from the last Test.

Plus Clark, Lee and Ferguson.

Obviously I am not a fan of Brett Lee and would rather see him shot out of a cannon in a novelty act at lunch than be in the squad.

But that's who I think they will pick. Not really fussed on the reserve batsman, they could pick one from a few in contention.

Funny to see so many leave out Siddle. And the Cullen Bailey mention was special. :thumbsu:

Exactly the same as my predicted squad. I think Lee and Clark will play the first test in place of McDonald and Hilf (not that I agree in any way with Lee's potential selection).

Siddle will most definately play.

[The 747]

Why thank you :)

He is the only decent young spinner in the country though, and chances are the selectors aren't going to be playing a spinner that often. They've shown they prefer the fast bowlers and part time spin. If they view pace as our strength, then there is no point in taking a 36 year old on tour. Better to give a young guy some experience. And the fact that Krejza and Hauritz are just plain ordinary doesn't hurt either.

A few would argue with you about Bailey being the only decent young spinner in the country. When you are only good enough to play one match all season and your home ground is Adelaide.

[The 747]

Exactly the same as my predicted squad. I think Lee and Clark will play the first test in place of McDonald and Hilf (not that I agree in any way with Lee's potential selection).

Siddle will most definately play.

Would be very unhappy to see the Hilf dropped for Brett Lee. :mad::mad:

Clark for McDonald is pretty likely unless Ronnie comes up with some runs.

[grizzlym]

Clark for McDonald is pretty likely unless Ronnie comes up with some runs.
Yep, if Clark runs into some form and fitness, I think he'll snaffle McDonald's spot. When McDonald's playing at 8, essentially as a specialised bowler, runs are a bonus not what he's being measured against. Don't get me wrong, I think he's done a great job, but Clark into that side makes us quite formidable.

[The 747]

Yep, if Clark runs into some form and fitness, I think he'll snaffle McDonald's spot. When McDonald's playing at 8, essentially as a specialised bowler, runs are a bonus not what he's being measured against. Don't get me wrong, I think he's done a great job, but Clark into that side makes us quite formidable.

I just mean if he makes some runs it makes him harder to leave out. I agree Clark is a better option, he is a similar bowler but with a lot more penetration.

But our selectors have shown in the past they value runs from number 8, I am not sure why given the records of our top 6 batsmen but they do.

White and Watson being two recent examples.

[grizzlym]

I just mean if he makes some runs it makes him harder to leave out. I agree Clark is a better option, he is a similar bowler but with a lot more penetration.

But our selectors have shown in the past they value runs from number 8, I am not sure why given the records of our top 6 batsmen but they do.

White and Watson being two recent examples.

Yeah, but Mitch slots into 8 beautifully. That's why I'm a strident advocate for 6 specialised batsmen. Unless of course you have a world-class all-rounder.

[Blue Dimension]

Lee deserves a spot before Hilfenhaus based on what exactly? His form in India and against SA was garbage. In addition he's never bowled well in England. Hilfenhaus on the other hand has been a bit unlucky not too have picked up more wickets than he has. In general he has been bowling a good line and a reasonable length with decent pace. The big plus about his bowling is his ability to swing the ball. We all know what havoc Terry Alderman wreaked in England. IMO he should be a definite above Lee for the first team at least.

Agree with this. Lee lost complete form and really was a major part of the reason as to why we struggled so much over that 6 month period in India and over the summer of Australia.

He needs to come back and take and perform in grade cricket or somewhere of note. Unfortunately he's not going to be playing county cricket, but perhaps the spells in the IPL may be beneficial in terms of building up the workload as they were with Watson last year.

I'm a massive Hilf man and really want him to play in England.

BTW you see Roebuck's article in today's Age about Lee?

No i didn't, what did it say?

[grizzlym]

No i didn't, what did it say?

I'm paraphrasing here, so apologies in advance, pretty much that Lee was finished as a test bowler. That his record in England was average. That the soft pitches didn;t suit his style of bowling. He compared Lee to Gillespie and how 'something' just dropped away, nothing perceptible, but the game suddenly passed him by. He acknowledged his record, but said the time to go was now. It was essentially an amalgam of the more perceptive comments around here. It's on the Age website i think.

[Cleavy]

It's on the Age website i think.

there ya go!

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/cricket/lee-in-trouble/2009/03/16/1237054738357.html

[Offsider]

This would be my team:
1. Phillip Hughes
2. Simon Katich
3. Ricky Ponting (c)
4. Mike Hussey
5. Michael Clarke (vc)
6. Marcus North
7. Brad Haddin
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Peter Siddle
10. Stuart Clark
11. Ben Hilfenhaus

Reserves
12. Shane Watson if fit and bowling: if not Andrew McDonald
13. Matthew Wade
14. Brett Lee: prefer Bollinger but think that the selectors will pick Lee
15. Bryce McGain
16. Chris Rogers or Doug Bollinger: depending on needs for a batsman or bowler

[courtjester]

Simon Katich
Phil Hughes
Ricky Ponting
Michael Clark
Brad Hodge
Marcus North
Brad Haddin
Mitchell Johnson
Peter Siddle
Bryce McGain
Ben Hilfenhaus

Stuart Clark
Chris Rogers
Ashley Noffke
Andrew McDonald
Andrew Symonds

[Slander]

1. Phillip Hughes
2. Simon Katich
3. Ricky Ponting (c)
4. Mike Hussey
5. Michael Clarke (vc)
6. Marcus North
7. Brad Haddin
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Peter Siddle
10. Stuart Clark
11. Ben Hilfenhaus
12. Andrew McDonald
13. Bryce McGain
14. Callum Ferguson
15. Doug Bollinger

Too many question marks over Lee, Symonds and Watson over their capability to hold fitness and form over long periods. McGain's the best spinning option and don't think there's any point in taking Jaques as the openers seem pretty settled. Ferguson deserves a shot.

[eagles06]

1. Phil Hughes
2. Simon Katich
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Mike Hussey
5. Michael Clarke
6. Marcus North
7. Brad Haddin
8. Mitch Johnson
9. Stuart Clark
10. Peter Siddle
11. Ben Hilfenhaus
-------------------
12. Bryce McGain
13. Phil Jaques
14. Andrew McDonald
15. Brett Lee
16. Callum Ferguson

[MushroomRocket]

Batsmen:
1. Hughes
2. Katich
3. Ponting
4. Clarke
5. Hussey
6. North
7. Watson (Back up batsman or the backup for the 4th bowler like the role McDonald is playing now)
8. Ferguson/Another specialist batsman (Back up for any batting position between 3 and 6)

Keeper:
9. Haddin (No back up needed, as someone else can be flown out later if they are needed)

Bowlers:
10. Johnson
11. Siddle
12. Hilfenhaus
13. Clark
14. McGain (Back up bowler, only to be used if one of the 4 pacemen are injured and if the pitch is extremely spin friendly)
15. McDonald (I'd have Watson ahead of him, but think he will make the squad anyway as another backup bowler or allrounder)

So same XI as in South Africa but Clark in for McDonald.

Ferguson, Watson, McDonald and McGain as the 4 back ups with the rest playing in the 1st test.

i totally agree with this squad. i can only see 3 possible smokies who are bollinger, jacques and lee. but they will only be picked as replacements for injuries.

[roostersgal4eva]

1. Phillip Hughes
2. Simon Katich
3. Ricky Ponting (c)
4. Mike Hussey
5. Michael Clarke (vc)
6. Marcus North
7. Brad Haddin
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Peter Siddle
10. Stuart Clark
11. Ben Hilfenhaus
12. Andrew McDonald
13. Bryce McGain
14. Callum Ferguson
15. Doug Bollinger

don't think there's any point in taking Jaques as the openers seem pretty settled. Ferguson deserves a shot.
first things first I agree with your squad 100%

secondly Jaques is having more trouble with his back :(

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25211325-23212,00.html

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

I think the starting lineup for the first test match should be as follows taking into account no injuries and all players in form.

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
McGain
Clark

I think that is the best eleven. McGain has to be picked. Im not totally sold on the assumption that Hilfenhaus is in the best eleven as yet. That may change though, depending on his performance in the final test.

[aussie1st]

We have to play North at 6 now, especially with Hussey form. Can't take the risk of playing Watson there so his only way of getting in is through the number 8 spot that McDonald had.

[well left]

I reckon North's illness has probably cost McDonald a ticket to England. McDonald as an allrounder was supposed to be the reserve batsman but has struggled at test level and they can not consider him an allrounder/reserve batsman IMO if they won't bat him above Haddin.

[bombersno1]

I reckon North's illness has probably cost McDonald a ticket to England.

Best news of the day then. McDonald is average, sorry I just don't buy it. He is a no9/10 batsman- heck Siddle has looked better with the bat for crying out loud, and he really is medium pace at best. I would rather a Geeves if they so desperately want a bowling all-rounder.

[Barts]

Can't take the risk of playing Watson there so his only way of getting in is through the number 8 spot that McDonald had.

With Watson's recent news then I'd say he is already penciled in to go to England.

[eth-dog]

Best news of the day then. McDonald is average, sorry I just don't buy it. He is a no9/10 batsman- heck Siddle has looked better with the bat for crying out loud, and he really is medium pace at best. I would rather a Geeves if they so desperately want a bowling all-rounder.
Without Clark, he is needed to DEFEND. Geeves isn't that kind of bowler

[The 747]

With Watson's recent news then I'd say he is already penciled in to go to England.

Maybe but he has at least 3 months to break down again so don't count on it. :o

The post about North's injury probably costing McDonald a spot is probably right. We would have to consider McDonald as a bowler only now (unless he hits a ton in the second innings :D) and while I am not averse to having a medium bowler for the contrast - especially in England - Stuart Clark fills that role far better.

[The Reaper]

I think the starting lineup for the first test match should be as follows taking into account no injuries and all players in form.

Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
McGain
Clark

I think that is the best eleven. McGain has to be picked. Im not totally sold on the assumption that Hilfenhaus is in the best eleven as yet. That may change though, depending on his performance in the final test.

It is a hard decision

Leg spinner versues our best swing bowler
But your correct, that is the best attack we can field.

Would go with four paceman though if the wicket looks like it were be a good seamer

[japaljarri]

But your correct, that is the best attack we can field. Would go with four paceman though if the wicket looks like it were be a good seamer

Yep thats my starting XI too and Hilf v McGain depending on pitch.

Although l want Clarke at 4, Hussey at 5.

[matty p]

i totally agree with this squad. i can only see 3 possible smokies who are bollinger, jacques and lee. but they will only be picked as replacements for injuries.

Cheers, after McGain's performance so far it even further reinforces in my mind that we should play our BEST possible bowling attack, which means our best 4 bowlers. At the moment there are no spinners anywhere near the best 4 bowlers in Australia, so I wouldn't be playing any in a test match during the Ashes.

Bowling lineup of:
Johnson
Hilfenhaus
Clark
Siddle

Watson, Krejza/Hauritz/McGain (only 1 of them and as a last resort back up - McGain currently losing his spot) and another pace bowler, should be taken as the back up bowlers, but none should really play unless there is an injury.

Having North not playing has also reinforced the need for us to take another full time batsman on tour as back up. Ferguson is probably the number 1 choice right now and I think he should go on tour.

[japaljarri]

McGain currently blowing a big hole in his Ashes chances :(

[The Reaper]

Cheers, after McGain's performance so far it even further reinforces in my mind that we should play our BEST possible bowling attack, which means our best 4 bowlers. At the moment there are no spinners anywhere near the best 4 bowlers in Australia, so I wouldn't be playing any in a test match during the Ashes.

Bowling lineup of:
Johnson
Hilfenhaus
Clark
Siddle

Watson, Hauritz/McGain (only as back up - McGain currently losing his spot) and McDonald or another pace bowler, should be taken as the back up bowlers, but none should really play unless there is an injury.

Having North not playing has also reinforced the need for us to take another full time batsman on tour as back up. Ferguson is probably the number 1 choice right now and I think he should go on tour.

I think Rogers would be a better choice
Katich can always move to middle order if necessary

[matty p]

I think Rogers would be a better choice
Katich can always move to middle order if necessary

Fair enough but I'd try not to mess with the opening pair of Hughes and Katich. Don't want Hughes having to adjust to a different partner after a few tests.

Plus, I'd rather take a younger player like Ferguson on tour who looks to have a bright international future over an quality older first-class batsman who will probably only ever play as a stop-gap solution.

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

I think McGain might not make it unfortunately, really doesnt seem to put much on the ball. Any vics know if he gives it a big rip at state cricket?

[Mr P@H]

I think McGain might not make it unfortunately, really doesnt seem to put much on the ball. Any vics know if he gives it a big rip at state cricket?
That's not fair, I wanted to see Pietersen literally destroy him.

[eth-dog]

I think McGain might not make it unfortunately, really doesnt seem to put much on the ball. Any vics know if he gives it a big rip at state cricket?
He gave it a massive rip in the final of last year

[aussie1st]

McGain has never been a big turner of the ball. I think we are going to have to rely on North and Katich to do the spinning. Haurtiz picked just in case we do need to pick a spinner but I would be going with 4 seamers and the part timers to cover the spin. North has been more economical than all our spinners lately.

[lionbear]

I think McGain might not make it unfortunately, really doesnt seem to put much on the ball. Any vics know if he gives it a big rip at state cricket?

No runs on the board, second day pitch and making your debut if ever the cricket Gods were against you they were today for McGain.

In saying that Ponting is not keen on him, that is clear by the actions of the last week, might as well take a junior to England.

[The 747]

No runs on the board, second day pitch and making your debut if ever the cricket Gods were against you they were today for McGain.

In saying that Ponting is not keen on him, that is clear by the actions of the last week, might as well take a junior to England.

Maybe Beau Casson and we can start at the beginning again. :p

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

That's not fair, I wanted to see Pietersen literally destroy him.

I'd be worried about the ODI series against WI if i were you, especially after a windies stuff up gifted your side a win.

Why don't England take ODI's seriously?

PS: what did you think of Australia's series win in South Africa, a truly magnifiencet effort.

PS: Can't help but laugh at the Australian women smashing England, a good omen for the Ashes?

PS: England since the end of the Ashes in 2007

Played 27, Won 8, Lost 7, Drew 12

Australia

Played 21, Won 11, Drew 5, Lost 5.

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

No runs on the board, second day pitch and making your debut if ever the cricket Gods were against you they were today for McGain.

In saying that Ponting is not keen on him, that is clear by the actions of the last week, might as well take a junior to England.

If Ponting isn't keen on him then that is good enough for me, He would face him in the nets, see him bowl in the nets and deep down would realise that he isnt going to pose a problem to international test batsmen of the highest class and SA has a few of them.

Ponting didnt want Lee in India and he was right, he didnt want to play McGain and he was right there.

[Blue Dimension]

Dont want to jump the gun on Mcgain here, but this could really throw a spanner into the works for the Ashes.

Krejza suddenly doesn't look all that bad...

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Krezja won't play,

The only spinner that would play would be Hauritz.