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AxelFoley
16 Mar 2009, 09:15
The amount of Essendon players in Mike's Sheahan's Top 50.....what an absolute joke.
Hille and Mark McVeigh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale Thomas, Grant Birchell, Jared McVeigh (the list goes on!)
Smyth94
16 Mar 2009, 09:17
Hille is by far the biggest joke but honestly, its just Mike Sheehan...
AxelFoley
16 Mar 2009, 09:22
Hille is by far the biggest joke but honestly, its just Mike Sheehan...
I know, I shouldnt care what this muppet thinks but the amount of publicity his Top 50 gets, its a shame that no-one from our club is recognised.
Hille is the only one who i would have thought was stiff to miss out.
Hille is the only one who i would have thought was stiff to miss out.
A good point was bought up on SEN this morning.
J McVeigh made the top 50 yet Mark didn't.
The question was asked to callers who is the better player, the response was an overwhelming Mark.
Not that i could care as i actually prefer not to have the players highlighted but that just seems to be me and the opinion of most Journo's is pretty low on my GAF scale.
In other news Rodney Eade mentioned while talking about how even this season was going to be that the 2 clubs he sees as most likely to make the 8 from outside the 8 were Port and Essendon and he mentioned that in his opinion we have built a very exciting list but injuries could easily curtail our season.
Sir James
16 Mar 2009, 09:45
A good point was bought up on SEN this morning.
J McVeigh made the top 50 yet Mark didn't.
The question was asked to callers who is the better player, the response was an overwhelming Mark.
Not that i could care as i actually prefer not to have the players highlighted but that just seems to be me and the opinion of most Journo's is pretty low on my GAF scale.
In other news Rodney Eade mentioned while talking about how even this season was going to be that the 2 clubs he sees as most likely to make the 8 from outside the 8 were Port and Essendon and he mentioned that in his opinion we have built a very exciting list but injuries could easily curtail our season.
He had to have made a misprint with this one, Mark is light years ahead of his bro.
stugots
16 Mar 2009, 09:46
not a bad judge is Rodney
BlueTouchPaper
16 Mar 2009, 10:15
This truly irked me... is Sheahan a Collingwood or Carlton man. Hille, based on last season, is ahead of about 15 players - and all of the Collingwood players, and Gibbsy. Stupendum!
KnightRider
16 Mar 2009, 10:46
Ah well, Mike will have egg on his face come years end! Cant wait for the comparison.
DonMania#5
16 Mar 2009, 10:49
Who cares, Sheahan has no idea anyway..
Phat Toni
16 Mar 2009, 10:56
The amount of Essendon players in Mike's Sheahan's Top 50.....what an absolute joke.
Hille and Mark McVeigh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dale Thomas, Grant Birchell, Jared McVeigh (the list goes on!)
I think Hille is the only Bomber to feel a little short changed. For greatest impact on the upcoming season, Hille is well in front of;
Kane Cornes
Grant Birchall
Dale Thomas
Ryan Griffen
Brad Ottens
Then there is a host of other players you could argue he is just as important as.
In the end though it's just Mike Sheahan, his opinion is usually based on which way the wind is blowing and who is the flavor of the month. If we are 3 and 3 or 4/2 after 6 rounds then Hille will all of a sudden be in Mike's top 10. Some of those Hawks players are a joke.
kelvin_sheedy
16 Mar 2009, 10:59
Hille - just plain dumb decision
Fletcher - Still did enough last year to make the Champion data team in the back pocket. He's better than most on that list.
McVeigh - Well he's better than his brother and deserves a spot on the list.
drybones
16 Mar 2009, 11:15
Mike was on SEN from 12 last night.. some of his arguements for players were pretty stupid.
When asked about Rhys Palmer he said he pretty much only got so much of the footy last year because he didn't have elite teammates around him (to play the same position as him, which would move him out of midfield) and "would he even get a game at Hawthorn?"
Put it this way.. if you threw Cyril Rioli into the Fremantle side would he even get the footy without all the Premiership stars around to assist him??
As for our boys.. I'm sure most people from other clubs would agree Hille and McVeigh should be in.
dons_fan185
16 Mar 2009, 11:38
How is it that Dean Cox is "light years" ahead of all the other ruckmen, yet he consistently got beaten by Hille and Sandilands.
Cox played last year with a busted foot
http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#yRCOXEyECmFn2HX25ouccq_z6vjlz0p_
This list excludes players under an injury cloud
This mornings HUN
And he says Rhys Palmer only stood out because he was surrounded my no hopers. So why does Daniel Kerr get a mention in the top 15?
This Sheeb***h character is a hypocritical moron.
dave_27
16 Mar 2009, 12:19
I love Mark but Jarrod is an absolutely gun who is only going to get better.
Mark McVeigh should of been close to the 50 but Hille should of got in. Hille is in the top 30 IMO
I love how people get worked up by these lists, it's all subjective FFS.
I would struggle to put a bomber player in the top 50 though and it says a lot about our list really. Plenty of young players yet to make their mark, a dearth of talented 24-28 year olds, and some veterans who are now a shadow of their former selves.
Phat Toni
16 Mar 2009, 13:44
I love Mark but Jarrod is an absolutely gun who is only going to get better.
i'd agree, I think Jarrod has moved infront of Mark for the time being.
I love how people get worked up by these lists, it's all subjective FFS.
I would struggle to put a bomber player in the top 50 though and it says a lot about our list really. Plenty of young players yet to make their mark, a dearth of talented 24-28 year olds, and some veterans who are now a shadow of their former selves.
I agree. Have nevered understood wy people get so worked up over it.
Big deal Mike does not rate us or our players. Who cares.
Ludwig van Bertstare
16 Mar 2009, 14:09
I agree. Have nevered understood wy people get so worked up over it.
Big deal Mike does not rate us or our players. Who cares.
Agreed.
JimmyHird
16 Mar 2009, 14:42
Remember guys, its better to be underated than overated in this fickle league.
The Dustbin
16 Mar 2009, 15:21
Mike gets paid to give his opinion.
I'm more interested in what Rocket had to say about us. Thanks for that Merv. :thumbsu:
The whole list struggles as he is effectively saying that if players such as Grant Birchall, Jarrod Mcveigh or Cyril Rioli came to Essendon they would potentially be our best player this season. :rolleyes:
Not a Wellman
16 Mar 2009, 16:40
Ever since a practise match i think 2 seasons ago, or it might of been last season against the bulldogs Eade has rated us, I think they beat us by six points by memory.
Might sound silly but I will throw it out there anyway did Lloyd do enough in his second half of last year to get a mention in the top 50?
I now have learnt from the years not to get upset with these types of lists, all australian lists as well as Lucas and Fletcher have been so stiff not to make it so many times I have just learnt to deal with it now.
The fact that C. Judd is at 2 says enough about the list...
BlueTouchPaper
16 Mar 2009, 18:46
The fact that C. Judd is at 2 says enough about the list...
Such that I contributed so nicely in my last post, do bear with me.
What is wrong with that? Are you deluded? What says a player who is 25, has won a brownlow medal, polled 18 of a possible 24 Charlie votes in 8 games when fit in 2007, and managed to win an AA Captaincy last year (however contentiously), as well as a Best and Fairest at his new club to go along with several others from the Eagles could not become the second best player in the competition - or there abouts?
Ben the Gooner
16 Mar 2009, 18:49
The fact that C. Judd is at 2 says enough about the list...
He should be at 1 IMHO.
Spikey used the 'Super Rod'
Wild BlueTouchPaper appeared!
Because two people called Buddy and Gary are currently playing
Ben the Gooner
16 Mar 2009, 18:55
Judd
Ablett
Cox
Pavlich
Hodge
would be my top 5 - no Buddy.
And you need to get over Pokemon Spikey. That was over 10 years ago.
And you need to get over Pokemon Spikey. That was over 10 years ago.
Well I was kinda fishing for a Carlton reply....
If I'm correct, which I'm probably not, this list was based on who Mike will think the best 50 players will be at seasons end. No doubt in my mind that Ablett and Buddy will be in the top 2.
loopy_cam
16 Mar 2009, 19:03
Apart from no Hille it's not a bad list.
Roughead's too high IMO. As is Jarrad McVeigh. But he does deserve his place. He's had multiple games where he's kicked multiple goals and has racked up 27+ disposals and with Mark's injury problems, he'd be very close to, if not better, than our McVeigh. Riloli and Birchall shouldn't be in. Sandilands would have a good case to be included. Wells would also have a strong case IMO. I see him really stepping up this year. There's always gonna be some debate.
Let's just stay quiet and fly under the radar.
Colin D'Cops
16 Mar 2009, 19:25
Who said it's an honour to be named in Sheahan's top fifty?
He's just one person with an opinion. Just like us. Chillax.
BlueTouchPaper
16 Mar 2009, 19:26
Spikey used the 'Super Rod'
Wild BlueTouchPaper appeared!
Haha! I like it... very much - Thank goodness it wasn't an old rod :)
Haha! I like it... very much - Thank goodness it wasn't an old rod :)
Argh! Would had netted myself an 'Celtic Pride' or 'Parrot' if it was :(:thumbsd:
Wahooti Fandango
16 Mar 2009, 19:35
I assume the title of this thread refers to the man himself (as in "Sheahan is such a zero"). This insult should be used more often. "McLaren is a zero of the highest order." :thumbsu:
windyhill
16 Mar 2009, 20:21
Sheahan is spot on. Hille is the only one who is stiff to miss.
I hope Knights stuck this one the wall in the rooms and made a point for the players to read it. Especially McVeigh, Lloyd, Hille, Fletcher and even Watson and Stanton.
whattagun07
16 Mar 2009, 22:43
I'd have Hille, and could probably squeeze McVeigh in mine.
Glass, but no Rutten was pretty poor I thought.
bomba4eva
16 Mar 2009, 23:00
In other news Rodney Eade mentioned while talking about how even this season was going to be that the 2 clubs he sees as most likely to make the 8 from outside the 8 were Port and Essendon and he mentioned that in his opinion we have built a very exciting list but injuries could easily curtail our season.
That's very interesting and also very true. Probably is stating the obvious by saying injuries could ruin our year but I'm glad someone with credibility has come out with such a statement. Most of us know the capabilities of our list and whilst we are tremendously underrated by the media and common footy fans you can bet that most of the teams know how dangerous we are. Ask the Pies for example. In the past 3 years we have derailed their top 4 ambitions whilst being pathetic in the regular season.
bomba4eva
16 Mar 2009, 23:46
Judd
Ablett
Cox
Pavlich
Hodge
would be my top 5 - no Buddy.
And you need to get over Pokemon Spikey. That was over 10 years ago.
Sure all lists are subjective but there is a clear point of idiocy that everyone can relate to. Like not having Ablett in the top 10.
In this case not having Franklin in the top 5. Perhaps you were just trying to create discussion but not having Franklin in the top 5 is ridiculous.
I thought that Hille could have squeezed into the top 50.
IMO, Jarrad McVeigh has improved immensely in the last 2 years, and is at the same level as Mark.
I don't understand how Cyril Rioli ( a first year player ), can be in the top 50 after one season. The last 2 players who dominated their debut season were chris Judd in 2002 and Joel Sellwood in 2007.
Were they rated in the top 50 in 2003 and 2008 ?
mike's top 50 is evidence why he hasn't and will never be an afl coach or selector.
even the stresleckie 3rds wouldn't have sheehan.
take any coach in the afl - try to tell me if you lineup up all the players you could pick from for a team in 2009 any coach would select rioli or gibbs over hille. (maybe not clarkson as he has admitted man love for junior boy)
Ben the Gooner
17 Mar 2009, 16:41
Sure all lists are subjective but there is a clear point of idiocy that everyone can relate to. Like not having Ablett in the top 10.
In this case not having Franklin in the top 5. Perhaps you were just trying to create discussion but not having Franklin in the top 5 is ridiculous.
Nope, I rate consistency very highly (hence Cox and Pav). A top 5 player wouldn't kick 2.11 or 1.6 IMHO.
Definitely top 10, no question about that.
bomba4eva
17 Mar 2009, 17:14
Nope, I rate consistency very highly (hence Cox and Pav). A top 5 player wouldn't kick 2.11 or 1.6 IMHO.
Definitely top 10, no question about that.
Not sure what the exact amount was but let's say he kicked exactly 100 last year from 22 games. That's an average of around 4-5 goals per game. That is consistency. Franklin was probably the best player in the competition last year. 2.11 still means he had a whopping 13 shots on goal. He is still young enough to have room for improvement which will only further lengthen the gap between him and the 2nd best player. Superstar.
stay true
17 Mar 2009, 17:17
Nope, I rate consistency very highly (hence Cox and Pav). A top 5 player wouldn't kick 2.11 or 1.6 IMHO.
Definitely top 10, no question about that.
Yeah I've been saying this all season. It's only a matter of WHEN Franklin sort's out his accuracy issues that I can confidently say he's the best player in the comp. And I'm pretty damn sure he will soon enough.
For me, Ablett is THE best player in the league.
stay true
17 Mar 2009, 17:20
Not sure what the exact amount was but let's say he kicked exactly 100 last year from 22 games. That's an average of around 4-5 goals per game. That is consistency. Franklin was probably the best player in the competition last year. 2.11 still means he had a whopping 13 shots on goal. He is still young enough to have room for improvement which will only further lengthen the gap between him and the 2nd best player. Superstar.
I think the fact he has so many shots on goal that pulls him back a bit. If Lloydy had as many shots at goal as Franklin did last season, I'm certain he would have kicked atleast 20 goals more.
bomba4eva
17 Mar 2009, 17:25
I think the fact he has so many shots on goal that pulls him back a bit. If Lloydy had as many shots at goal as Franklin did last season, I'm certain he would have kicked atleast 20 goals more.
Facts are that he kicked 100 and won the Coleman. I wouldn't mind Neagle kicking 150 behinds if he kicked 100 goals. The guy is a freak and will only get better. The definition of a defender's nightmare. How do you contend with a 6 foot athletic freak?
If they were the same age would you pick Ablett or Franklin? I'd say 99% would pick Franklin.
stay true
17 Mar 2009, 17:37
Facts are that he kicked 100 and won the Coleman. I wouldn't mind Neagle kicking 150 behinds if he kicked 100 goals. The guy is a freak and will only get better. The definition of a defender's nightmare. How do you contend with a 6 foot athletic freak?
If they were the same age would you pick Ablett or Franklin? I'd say 99% would pick Franklin.
I totally agree that he's just about the perfect forward, there's no doubting that.
But I'm looking at this purely from a "Top 50" perspective. Franklin kicking 100 goals from 180odd set shots is great for the team no doubt about it. On the other hand Ablett, who is a completely different player which ofcourse makes is silly to compare the two (apples and oranges etc etc), is equally as important to his team but in a different way.
Ablett is the complete midfielder. It's very hard to point out flaws in his game. Franklin's accuracy is a flaw that sticks out like dogs balls.
And the "what if they were the same age" question is irrelivant. It's a top 50 for right now, not a top 50 with some variables.
Having said all that, Franklin will be the number 1 player in the league in the not to distant future.:)
Ben the Gooner
17 Mar 2009, 17:38
The top 5-10 is so close that you could put them in just about any order, and you won't get too many complaints.
However, Ablett and Judd don't have "those games", which, IMO, sets them apart.
bomba4eva
17 Mar 2009, 17:45
The top 5-10 is so close that you could put them in just about any order, and you won't get too many complaints.
However, Ablett and Judd don't have "those games", which, IMO, sets them apart.
They also don't have many equivalent games of 7-8+ goals.
And to have a more fair comparison as guys like Ablett and Cox don't have many shots for goal you have to look at a similar statistic like say efficiency in kicks from Ablett or number of hitouts to advantage by Cox.
loopy_cam
17 Mar 2009, 17:57
They also don't have many equivalent games of 7-8+ goals.
Yes they do.
Kickett Punches Read
17 Mar 2009, 17:59
hille HAD to be in this top 50, but so did sandilands... how an AA player can be left out baffles me... pavlich doesnt get enough credit... the guy has to carry a team virtually single handedly week in week out.... if franklin was at freo/west coast/melbourne he would have kicked 45 goals.... he is a gun and the perfect forward, but you wont see him playing in the middle.
how rioli got in ahead of palmer, who at 19 carried a midfield is a joke as well
i reckon the bombers have some players that can really step it up this year and push for a position on that list.... davey, houli, reimers and ryder all have unbelievable potential as well as lovett if he can get his head right
bomba4eva
17 Mar 2009, 18:15
Yes they do.
More then Franklin? Nope;)
Ben the Gooner
17 Mar 2009, 18:16
They also don't have many equivalent games of 7-8+ goals.
And to have a more fair comparison as guys like Ablett and Cox don't have many shots for goal you have to look at a similar statistic like say efficiency in kicks from Ablett or number of hitouts to advantage by Cox.
It's hard to judge, because midfielders aren't judged on possessions as much as forwards are on goals.
FullFathom5
17 Mar 2009, 21:34
Folks, it's the Herald-Sun. It has more pictures that it has words to cater for its readership base.
Mike's charter is clearly to appease to this denominator.
smcateer
18 Mar 2009, 06:00
Not sure what the exact amount was but let's say he kicked exactly 100 last year from 22 games. That's an average of around 4-5 goals per game. That is consistency. Franklin was probably the best player in the competition last year. 2.11 still means he had a whopping 13 shots on goal. He is still young enough to have room for improvement which will only further lengthen the gap between him and the 2nd best player. Superstar.
You would have to be really inconsistent to have an inconsistent average.
I think it's the variance you're after. (Sorry, I'm a nerd.)
bomba4eva
18 Mar 2009, 18:45
You would have to be really inconsistent to have an inconsistent average.
I think it's the variance you're after. (Sorry, I'm a nerd.)
Nerd or not, 4-5 goals per game is damn consistent and only the top echelon can manage that.
Smyth94
18 Mar 2009, 19:10
Nerd or not, 4-5 goals per game is damn consistent and only the top echelon can manage that.
Let's see if he can do that over 2-3 seasons
Special Guest
18 Mar 2009, 20:58
The only logic I can think of that may be behind Hille missing is his consistency over previous seasons. Let's hope he can keep us his form and if he does, he surely will make next year's list.
In todays adevertiser, michelangelo rucci, the chief football writer did his top 50 with two bombers making it. Lloyd was number 26 and hille number 39. I would say he has more knowledge than than mike but he put chad cornes at 7, kerr at 31 and anthony at 50.:eek:
PressureCooker
19 Mar 2009, 11:50
In todays adevertiser, michelangelo rucci, the chief football writer did his top 50 with two bombers making it. Lloyd was number 26 and hille number 39. I would say he has more knowledge than than mike but he put chad cornes at 7, kerr at 31 and anthony at 50.:eek:
:D without having seen the list myself, the names and positions you mentioned there are pretty laughable!
Slattery_20
22 Mar 2009, 11:01
Nerd or not, 4-5 goals per game is damn consistent and only the top echelon can manage that.
he's not consistent. you do not understand averages
fodzilla
22 Mar 2009, 15:36
Sheehan is a clown, but even if we did sneak a couple in there they'd be down the bottom.
bomba4eva
22 Mar 2009, 19:33
he's not consistent. you do not understand averages
100 goals from 22 games. 4-5 goals per game. Not too hard to comprehend for even the most intellectually challenged:rolleyes:
Ben the Gooner
22 Mar 2009, 19:38
That's not consistency.
He could have kicked 15 goals in 7 games, and 0 goals in the rest, and he wouldn't be consistent, yet he'd have kicked more goals.
stay true
22 Mar 2009, 19:41
His accuracy was consistently inconsistent.
bomba4eva
22 Mar 2009, 20:06
That's not consistency.
He could have kicked 15 goals in 7 games, and 0 goals in the rest, and he wouldn't be consistent, yet he'd have kicked more goals.
I was referring to the course of the entire season. Kicked a goal in every game I believe and was consistently kicking 3, 4, 5 goals a game.
Ben the Gooner
22 Mar 2009, 20:11
Kicked a goal in every game
I think you'll find most good key forwards did this.
9 goals against us, 1.6, 2.11, not exactly consistent.