View Full Version : In the next couple of years should Essendon give more attention to the trade table?
Smyth94
22 Mar 2009, 19:44
I've been thinking about this for the last few hours...Since 2005 Essendon have taken in a massive influx of kids (I believe only Hawthorn has taken more kids). On top of the intake of kids, we've (naturally) chopped a fair chunk of experience from our list which has left us with a bit of a void in the 23-28 age group.
You can say what you like about our drafting since 2005 but at least there's been a structure and the club has stuck to it - placing importance on a succession plan for Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher. With the recruitment of Michael Hurley I believe our list is starting to have some good structure when you take into consideration our other young KPPs.
I believe that in the next few years (even this year) can be the time for the EFC to start to seriously attack the trade table for some blue chip talent (particularly in the midfield) in the 23-28 y.o. age group.
I'm not talking about the Horsburgh rhetoric, I'm talking about seriously putting our top picks and/or players on the table. I have read that we made a serious play for Dal Santo at the end of last year, if that opportunity came knocking again - I would take it in a heartbeat.
IMO rebuilding shouldn't always be played out on draft day, especially as a lot of draft picks end up being your dime-a-dozen average players. Take Ryan Griffen for example - I would offer a top ten pick + Dempsey (if he shows a bit this season and can stay injury free)
What are other people's thoughts on the matter and what would you be willing to depart with to nab a player of that quality?
stay true
22 Mar 2009, 20:01
I think it still depends on who is available really. In the case of Dal Santo, I havn't really thought about who to offer really but I'd be quite keen on him.
Generally speaking we really do need some more quality in the 23-28 age group but I wouldn't go making trades just for the hell of it. I'd want to be pretty sure that it would improve our team enough to help that push for a flag.
Ofcourse if it's an elite midfielder in the picture I'd expect we'd make a play for him. First round pick and whatever else it takes (to a certain extent).
We should definitely trade Dyson and Laycock along with our 3rd rounder for Franklin when he comes out of contract, Hawks could use a bit of speed in Dyson and Renouf also isn't that flash.
BringBackCransberg
22 Mar 2009, 20:31
We should definitely trade Dyson and Laycock along with our 3rd rounder for Franklin when he comes out of contract, Hawks could use a bit of speed in Dyson and Renouf also isn't that flash.
Dyson, Laycock, a 3rd rounder and a foot massage might get us Franklin.
Dyson, Laycock, a 3rd rounder and a foot massage might get us Franklin.
Damn Pelchen, always manages to screw everyone.
We could also trade Mcphee for Crowley.
kelvin_sheedy
22 Mar 2009, 20:57
Yes, No, Maybe.
Trading is all about risk. It's easy to talk about it when there's no real pressure but when it comes to the crunch most in the AFL play it safe. Most players traded are either homesick or maligned.
2 years ago if recall correctly no one wanted to give up Gumby and Pick 6 for Judd because of injury concerns to Judd. We'd be way in front now if we did that deal.
Last year O'keefe was on the market. If we gave up Pick 5 and maybe something else and swapped it for Sydney's 11 it wouldn't be so bad.
Judd + O'keefe in our side makes us top 4.
Judd is a once in a generation player so lets swap Judd with Dal Santo for example. We probably wouldn't have to give up Gumby and Pick 6 but he'd still be costly.
How much better would our side be if we had Dal Santo and O'keefe but lost Hurley, Myers and one more fringe player?
Dal Santo + O'keefe for me would get us into the top 4.
I'd rather build for the future, like we're doing now by bringing in a group of talented youngsters together. I'll promise you we'll see results in time.
Bomberz_pacers07
22 Mar 2009, 21:33
tradingg has changed alot with teams not willing to give up on draft picks or take on good-average players. To think we could get the same type of trade result hawthorn got when they traded johnno hay and nathan thompson, we would be dreaming.
Colin D'Cops
22 Mar 2009, 23:46
Trading is all about risk. It's easy to talk about it when there's no real pressure but when it comes to the crunch most in the AFL play it safe. Most players traded are either homesick or maligned.
I think you're spot on here Kelvin.
Trading for players shouldn't occur for 2 or 3 years.
Allow the list to settle and make the finals.
Once EFC thinks they are close to a Flag - Then consider trading in players, who can fill specific needs.
The players who fit these needs, will not necessarily be the equivalent of First Round Picks.
Gee Brent Prismal for pick 39 (i think) was a good play, the idea of having the gold coast have 6/7 of the top ten picks is so they will trade them away for top line players. which, i think in the case of some clubs, may happen.
Risk = Reward, thats what is often thrown around in footy circles, this is true, as someone said previously, if they are willing to give up something to get something, and it pays off, awesome, people are inclined to go for a risk now.
If Gold Coast was two or three years eariler trading Lucas for two picks would be a great trade.
The main issue now is most of our list don't hold trade value and all teams won't want to give him any picks.
yodellinhank
23 Mar 2009, 09:20
I think with the likely departure of some players, and subsequent space on our list, i'd rather see any trade made be made for advancement of our draft picks, rather than on ready made players.
Kaiser Powser
23 Mar 2009, 09:28
I've been thinking about this for the last few hours...Since 2005 Essendon have taken in a massive influx of kids (I believe only Hawthorn has taken more kids). On top of the intake of kids, we've (naturally) chopped a fair chunk of experience from our list which has left us with a bit of a void in the 23-28 age group.
You can say what you like about our drafting since 2005 but at least there's been a structure and the club has stuck to it - placing importance on a succession plan for Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher. With the recruitment of Michael Hurley I believe our list is starting to have some good structure when you take into consideration our other young KPPs.
I believe that in the next few years (even this year) can be the time for the EFC to start to seriously attack the trade table for some blue chip talent (particularly in the midfield) in the 23-28 y.o. age group.
I'm not talking about the Horsburgh rhetoric, I'm talking about seriously putting our top picks and/or players on the table. I have read that we made a serious play for Dal Santo at the end of last year, if that opportunity came knocking again - I would take it in a heartbeat.
IMO rebuilding shouldn't always be played out on draft day, especially as a lot of draft picks end up being your dime-a-dozen average players. Take Ryan Griffen for example - I would offer a top ten pick + Dempsey (if he shows a bit this season and can stay injury free)
What are other people's thoughts on the matter and what would you be willing to depart with to nab a player of that quality?
I don't think it would be that bad an option, I believe we have drafted enough kids to form a good structure for our team and if they come along as expected we will have most areas covered.
What we do need is a gun midfielder and if one came up, we should make a play for him.
In recent times draft picks have been over-valued in trades and we could take advantage of this by using a first round pick to get a player that previously would have required two first round picks.
We need to get rid of the players that arent going to get us to a premier ship. at the moment there are quite a few that arent and that is why we are going to linger down the bottom quater for quite some time.
Gee Brent Prismal for pick 39 (i think) was a good play, the idea of having the gold coast have 6/7 of the top ten picks is so they will trade them away for top line players. which, i think in the case of some clubs, may happen.
Far too early to tell, chances are we would have picked Mitch Robinson with that pick, he may end up better than Prissa.
bomberstomake8
23 Mar 2009, 12:15
I would try to stay away from trading imo unless the right deal comes accross
we have the KP players from the last few drafts in hurley daniher hooker ryder gumbelotn neagle etc... KPP generally take a while to develop
now we need some extra high quality midfielders and by the time these midfeilders start developing the KPP will be nearing their peak so our list will peak at the right time..
trading will leave yet another whole in our list similar to what we have now in the 23-28 age bracket
We need to get rid of the players that arent going to get us to a premier ship. at the moment there are quite a few that arent and that is why we are going to linger down the bottom quater for quite some time.
Do you think Skipworth will be apart of our next premiership?
I agree, the likes of NLM and Skippy will get regular spots in our side but they aren't good enough.
cAsEy_18
27 Mar 2009, 21:49
Watching Mitch Morton last night, it got me thinking about Essendon. We are building for the future, we are certainly relying on Neagle and Gumbleton for backup. My concern is a lack of a back up option, just someone who might not be a star, but a solid player. I don't think we can count Daniher or Hooker or those guys, as we seem to be grooming them as backmen. And with the continued injury prone-ness (yes i'm aware that's not a word) of Gumbleton and Neagle, where are our back up options? I think a Mitch Morton could really work on our list. Maybe not right now, for the next season or 2, but looking forward. Not saying we should go out and target one of these, but when someone, such as Mitch, puts his hand up and says i want to come to Melbourne, we shouldn't be afraid to trade away our 2nd round pick for these kinds of players.
Thoughts?
Wahooti Fandango
27 Mar 2009, 22:09
Give Still some time to develop. He may turn into a quality forward.
BringBackCransberg
27 Mar 2009, 23:39
Trading wise there's a lot of room for speculation that far ahead. Who knows what we'll uncover in the next couple of drafts, but surely we'll focus on keeping our draft picks for a while (especially with GC17 coming in), build the list, build the list, then worry about trading to fill-in the little holes.
The last round of list changes seem to suggest something like that. Picking up Skipworth feels like filling a hole in our development toward a premiership, not necessarily filling a little hole in a list that'll have a genuine premiership-tilt. That sort of filling-in is where we'll be at in a few years, I reckon. Doing it now would be more like applying a patch, and that feels too much like some of the backfire Sheedy experiments. If you mean strictly younger than I think the Prismall deal shows what the club is willing to do.
it might be worth noting that when GC come in they'll have a lot of draft picks to trade
ghostdog
29 Mar 2009, 09:06
it might be worth noting that when GC come in they'll have a lot of draft picks to trade
According to SuperFooty, Gold Coast will have
"...Gold Coast will have the right to sign one out-of-contract player from every club...It will also have draft picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9 and nine of the top 15 selections in the 2010 draft."