View Full Version : Round 2 Vs Fremantle - If you were Coach
Inspired by BiPolar bear*
Basically what moves and matchups would you like to see in this match? Feel free to shoot anyone down and tell them why they're wrong.
Mine are
IN: Zaka, Myers, Jetta
OUT: Neagle, Dyson (I know he had an alright game, however the chances of one is really minute so the chances of 2 consecutive games being good is astronomical) and someone else, maybe dempsey.
Matchups I'd like to see until an absolute decimation occurs and Knights is forced to make a change:
I'd like Essendon to predominantly play a 5 man Forward line of:
Square: Lucas
30m:Davey Lloyd Monfries/Mcphee/Jetta
50m Ryder
having midfielders rotate through there for kicks.
Now Lloyd will probably have to contend with Mcpharlin, Lucas with Tarrant and Ryder on Michael Johnson which will mean that Johnson won't be able to play as the loose man. Hille and Ryder can rotate. They will probably have someone else playing the loose man, maybe mundy.
Now the stopping Pavlich:
When the Pav is in the back half I'd like Hurley to play on him with Myers around the CHB line double teaming him at every opportunity. If the Pav moves into the middle I'd like Myers to tag him with Hurley becoming the loose man as these two have highly regarded disposal hopefully they can be more damaging than Freo's lose man. I'm also basing having Myers on Pav because he looked alright in the 5 minutes he played as a defender on Cloke, which is of course all you need to make a prediction on Bigfooty.
Others: Pears to Murphy
Hocking to Haselby/Palmer
Crowley to Watson/Stanton/Lovett
Fletcher to ?
whoever Fletcher plays on, he should treat them with no respect and try and help out against Pavlich
The Pav got 16 goals in his last 3 games against Essendon so he should be raped at every opportunity
Sandilands will dominate Hille and Ryder in the ruck no matter what so hopefully Hille can punish him around the ground.
*Not actually inspired by BiPolar Bear
*If this is actually done, Essendon will probably get destroyed, Fremantle are one of the teams in the AFl who I see the least so I'm not really that knowledgeable about them.
i'd definatley drop dyson, whats he even doing in the team anyway. he should be known as the 'clanger' king! bring in zaka, you cant ignore 33 possesions and 7 goals.
donsman4eva
1 Apr 2009, 19:16
OUTS: Lonergan, Slattery
In: Zaharakis, Bellchambers.
Bellchambers to play as #1 ruck, Lloyd out of the square, Hille and Lucas as Half forwards, moving up to around the wing.
Neither Bellchambers or Hille will beat Sandilands in the ruck, so just get Bellchambers in there and get some body contact on Sandilands to wear him out. Hille can trouble teams up forward and he will probably get McPharlin, which is good as it would keep McPharlin accountable.
As for defense, put Pears on Pav. Pears has the best motor of our defenders so he can go with Pav wherever he goes. Hurley to take Ryan Murphy and play off him as much as possible, leaving Fletcher with whoever is left, and also play off him. Ryder to play on Johnson. Awesome matchup, two of the best athletes in the game.
Midfield: Hocking to Haselby. Give him no room. I'd say Crowley would go with Stanton, and Peake might go with Watson, which would be a worry since Peake seems to like pushing forward. Schammer is also a worry. He is good in and under and has decent pace. Same goes with Palmer. Id say Skipworth for Schammer and Winderlich for Palmer.
We need to move the ball quickly and use Hille and Lucas up the ground as much as possible. Even if it is just to drag guys like Tarrant and McPharlin out of the forward 50 when we are kicking the ball in it would be a plus. Also, Lucas and Hille are long kicks of the ball, so having them around 60 metres out from goal is still a danger. Leave Lloyd and Neagle down there one out with their opponent and see what happens.
On defense, Fletcher, Ryder and Hurley can almost play a zone defense and just go to whoever the ball is going to. Pears needs to stick with Pavlich like white on rice. If the defenders can help each other out, we will do well, as Freo dont have a gun forward apart from Pav. We can exploit this on the rebound.
I like using Hille on CHF/leading up the wing and taking marks, he rarely drops them and is a good user. If he does drop them he'll still make a contest.
Sandi2Palmer
2 Apr 2009, 09:03
Outs- Hill, Lloyd, Lucas, Watson
Out - Lonergan, Neagle, Dempsey, Dyson.
In - Bellchambers, Myers, Jetta, Zaka
Lloyd in the square, Lucas and Mcphee half forward. Davey and jetta getting the crumbs in the forward line. If lloyd goes off, put lucas FF and Ryder HF and vice versa
But i think Ryder should play on Pav.
just my thoughts.
Agree re matchups with DonsMan4eva
ins/outs for me differ slightly
Outs: Lonergan, one of the tall forwards...Neagle is most likely, but heck the boy needs game time..would we drop one of the L's to bendigo?.
Ins: Zaka, Bellchambers
Jetta as an emergency.
dyson/monfries(whoever struggles at training) might make room for Jetta
Leroy might have to wait a week...but heck the kid has goal sense which we desperately need.
With Longergan out and the likely dropping of Neagle I can't see us making much other changes.
I would like to see Lloyd go back to the goal square and kick us some goals, McPhee to stay forward, with Ryder starting at CHF. I'm a tad unsure what will happen to Lucas if Ryder goes up forward.
Even if he isn't ready for it, I feel as though we have to play Belly but I think Knights will leave him out and play Ryder as the back up ruckman again. We need Hille to improve ten-fold on last week as he was apart of many errors. We need our mids to step up, Stanton needs to kick a couple of goals again, same with Lovett. We need at least five goals between Hille, Lucas and Lloyd and at least three from Monfries/Davey/Jetta(if he plays)
We played well enough last week apart from our turnovers and our kicking into 50. Turnovers will be apart of our team for the whole year as our list ... just isn't up to it yet but we can be a lot smarter moving the ball into 50. If we can fix this up enough, then I can't see us losing.
Come on Lloydy!!! I want to see you kick 1000!!
Yeah give Hurley experience on Pav but double team him when needed (either Myers or Fletcher)
Lucas deep (goal square) - hopefully he gets the Tarrant match up.
Crowley will go to Stanton/Watson (more likely) or Lovett
Sandilands will obviously be the big problem. Hopefully Hille is more of an asset around the ground.
Who is their 2nd ruck Gilmore or Kepler Bradley?
Not sure if Mcpharlin will go on Lloyd but he definitely needs to be accountable. Otherwise Mcpharlin can go forward and kick 4.
Lloyd can play up the ground if he isn't getting a touch. But should stay closer to the 50.
Tip: Essendon to win by 15 - but I think we'll have to shark hit outs.
Yeah give Hurley experience on Pav but double team him when needed (either Myers or Fletcher)
Lucas deep (goal square) - hopefully he gets the Tarrant match up.
Crowley will go to Stanton/Watson (more likely) or Lovett
Sandilands will obviously be the big problem. Hopefully Hille is more of an asset around the ground.
Who is their 2nd ruck Gilmore or Kepler Bradley?
Not sure if Mcpharlin will go on Lloyd but he definitely needs to be accountable. Otherwise Mcpharlin can go forward and kick 4.
Lloyd can play up the ground if he isn't getting a touch. But should stay closer to the 50.
Tip: Essendon to win by 15 - but I think we'll have to shark hit outs.
Kepler
Hope Tarrant plays on Lloyd...be a good match up
silverscope
2 Apr 2009, 11:04
Now Lloyd will probably have to contend with Mcpharlin, Lucas with Tarrant and Ryder on Michael Johnson which will mean that Johnson won't be able to play as the loose man. Hille and Ryder can rotate. They will probably have someone else playing the loose man, maybe mundy.
Now the stopping Pavlich:
When the Pav is in the back half I'd like Hurley to play on him with Myers around the CHB line double teaming him at every opportunity. If the Pav moves into the middle I'd like Myers to tag him with Hurley becoming the loose man as these two have highly regarded disposal hopefully they can be more damaging than Freo's lose man. I'm also basing having Myers on Pav because he looked alright in the 5 minutes he played as a defender on Cloke, which is of course all you need to make a prediction on Bigfooty.
Others: Pears to Murphy
Hocking to Haselby/Palmer
Crowley to Watson/Stanton/Lovett
Fletcher to ?
whoever Fletcher plays on, he should treat them with no respect and try and help out against Pavlich
Sandilands will dominate Hille and Ryder in the ruck no matter what so hopefully Hille can punish him around the ground.
A couple of things, Firstly i think Tarrant is better suited to Lloyd and McPharlin to Lucas. (thats how i think they will line up)
Is Ryder playing foward or back? Because one of Johnson or Grover will be playing down back alot more than they both did.
Our loose man may be one of Johnson/Ibbotson/Solomon.
I think with Pavlich last week they tried to do to much with him, so expect him to have a more settled game. Meaning more time up foward and less time around the ground. This allows for Murphy/Grover/Tarrant/McPharlin/Sandilands all to rotate through that second option up foward, of course most likely it will be mainly Murphy and Sandilands.
Peake played as a small foward last week with little stints up the ground, expect the same this week.
Also on the fact that Pav is our only option up there, not so. I've listed all the Tall good marking targets we can have go through the foward line. So if Fletcher wants to show no respect to any of them then he will get punished. No defense should focus more on one player than the other. We showed late last year we can win without Pavlich playing.
Neither Bellchambers or Hille will beat Sandilands in the ruck, so just get Bellchambers in there and get some body contact on Sandilands to wear him out. Hille can trouble teams up forward and he will probably get McPharlin, which is good as it would keep McPharlin accountable.
As for defense, put Pears on Pav. Pears has the best motor of our defenders so he can go with Pav wherever he goes. Hurley to take Ryan Murphy and play off him as much as possible, leaving Fletcher with whoever is left, and also play off him. Ryder to play on Johnson. Awesome matchup, two of the best athletes in the game.
Midfield: Hocking to Haselby. Give him no room. I'd say Crowley would go with Stanton, and Peake might go with Watson, which would be a worry since Peake seems to like pushing forward. Schammer is also a worry. He is good in and under and has decent pace. Same goes with Palmer. Id say Skipworth for Schammer and Winderlich for Palmer.
On defense, Fletcher, Ryder and Hurley can almost play a zone defense and just go to whoever the ball is going to. Pears needs to stick with Pavlich like white on rice. If the defenders can help each other out, we will do well, as Freo dont have a gun forward apart from Pav. We can exploit this on the rebound.
Firstly i think it would probably be something like;
Pavlich vs Pears
Murphy vs Fletcher
Peake vs Hurley
Johnson vs Ryder will be a good match up. But i wouldn't expect Ryder to do much Spoiling. I would say that would be more of a foward tag role.
As i said earlier Peake played as a small foward last week and was very good so i'd expect him there again and not so much through the middle.
Big gun fowards don't always win you games. As i said earlier we have alot of people who can rotate through that foward line who are just as big and just as effective as Pavlich. Mind you i expect Pavlich to spend a whole lot more time up foward this game.
Anyway thats about it, just thought you'd like some perspective from our side.
Should be a close game although i think the bombers will win. :o
The Donners
2 Apr 2009, 11:08
OUTS: Slattery, Lonergan, Neagle, Winderlich.
INS: Zaharikis, Bellchambers, Myers, Jetta.
thebigboy
2 Apr 2009, 11:25
A couple of things, Firstly i think Tarrant is better suited to Lloyd and McPharlin to Lucas. (thats how i think they will line up)
Is Ryder playing foward or back? Because one of Johnson or Grover will be playing down back alot more than they both did.
Our loose man may be one of Johnson/Ibbotson/Solomon.
I think with Pavlich last week they tried to do to much with him, so expect him to have a more settled game. Meaning more time up foward and less time around the ground. This allows for Murphy/Grover/Tarrant/McPharlin/Sandilands all to rotate through that second option up foward, of course most likely it will be mainly Murphy and Sandilands.
Peake played as a small foward last week with little stints up the ground, expect the same this week.
Also on the fact that Pav is our only option up there, not so. I've listed all the Tall good marking targets we can have go through the foward line. So if Fletcher wants to show no respect to any of them then he will get punished. No defense should focus more on one player than the other. We showed late last year we can win without Pavlich playing.
Firstly i think it would probably be something like;
Pavlich vs Pears
Murphy vs Fletcher
Peake vs Hurley
Johnson vs Ryder will be a good match up. But i wouldn't expect Ryder to do much Spoiling. I would say that would be more of a foward tag role.
As i said earlier Peake played as a small foward last week and was very good so i'd expect him there again and not so much through the middle.
Big gun fowards don't always win you games. As i said earlier we have alot of people who can rotate through that foward line who are just as big and just as effective as Pavlich. Mind you i expect Pavlich to spend a whole lot more time up foward this game.
Anyway thats about it, just thought you'd like some perspective from our side.
Should be a close game although i think the bombers will win. :o
I wouldn't want Hurley to go near Peake.
Peake has far too much pace for him and would give him a bath. Not sure who would be the best match-up for him. Fletcher has taken small forwards in the past and done okay despite his size. Slattery can do the job but again is a bit slow.
The Pavlich v Pears match-up would be a cracker IMO.
silverscope
2 Apr 2009, 11:52
I wouldn't want Hurley to go near Peake.
Peake has far too much pace for him and would give him a bath. Not sure who would be the best match-up for him. Fletcher has taken small forwards in the past and done okay despite his size. Slattery can do the job but again is a bit slow.
The Pavlich v Pears match-up would be a cracker IMO.
Yea i wasn't sure either so i just stuck him there.
Maybe Fletcher could take peake and Hurley on Murphy but then again i think Peake would be to quick for Fletcher... maybe not though? who knows?
bomberstomake8
2 Apr 2009, 12:41
Yea i wasn't sure either so i just stuck him there.
Maybe Fletcher could take peake and Hurley on Murphy but then again i think Peake would be to quick for Fletcher... maybe not though? who knows?
pears vs pav would be very interesting. i would tell fletcher to show pretty much no respect to his opponent and help out pears as much as possible. pav is an elite forward whereas pears has played around 6 or 7 games, he has the physical attributes to match pav though.
im also really interested to see ryder in the ruck, if there is any ruckmen who could contest the hit outs with sandi i recon it would be ryder...
sandilands has about 12 or 13cm on ryder however every time you see ryder in the ruck he pretty much jumps half a meter above the other ruckmen, he could really limit sandilands ruck work at the centre bounce, around the ground though he wouldnt have much chance in the ruck without a run and jump at the ball
silverscope
2 Apr 2009, 13:00
pears vs pav would be very interesting. i would tell fletcher to show pretty much no respect to his opponent and help out pears as much as possible. pav is an elite forward whereas pears has played around 6 or 7 games, he has the physical attributes to match pav though.
im also really interested to see ryder in the ruck, if there is any ruckmen who could contest the hit outs with sandi i recon it would be ryder...
sandilands has about 12 or 13cm on ryder however every time you see ryder in the ruck he pretty much jumps half a meter above the other ruckmen, he could really limit sandilands ruck work at the centre bounce, around the ground though he wouldnt have much chance in the ruck without a run and jump at the ball
Well thats where maybe Essendon could use Hille vs Sandi (big body vs big body) and have Ryder vs Bradley and atleast that way when Ryder is rucking he is almost certain to beat Bradley to the ball even if it is around the ground.
donsman4eva
2 Apr 2009, 13:00
Given Peake is now apparantly a small forward, id go with Fletcher on him. Fletcher has good closing spped and we all know about his extendable arms. I really think Fletcher is better suited to quick small forwards than Slattery is.
Jonesy1987
2 Apr 2009, 22:58
2 things I think we need to do this week
1. Use the third man up tactic a lot around the ground, as this worked in the preseason against them, maybe play Ryder on the ball to enable this all around the ground.
2. Get into them physically, Freo can be very undisiplined, get their minds off the game early.
theboxmike
4 Apr 2009, 16:18
Hille beat Sandilands last time when we played freo from what i remember.....I dont think he got as many hit outs but i thought he had much more influence on the game..