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lamby29
31 Dec 2002, 10:28
STATE AGE CAPS
Ricky Ponting (captain) TAS 28 151
Adam Gilchrist (vice-captain) WA 31 146
Michael Bevan NSW 32 189
Andrew Bichel QLD 32 33
Jason Gillespie SA 27 46
Matthew Hayden QLD 31 48
Brad Hogg WA 31 8
Brett Lee NSW 26 49
Darren Lehmann SA 32 84
Jimmy Maher QLD 28 14
Damien Martyn WA 31 107
Glenn McGrath NSW 32 166
Andrew Symonds QLD 27 49
Shane Warne VIC 33 191
Shane Watson TAS 21 18
Good to see that Andrew Symonds was given another chance. If he gets going over in South Africa, he could be the most influential player in the side. Hopefully he can realise his potential and make the most of his chances. I believe he is a much better option than Watson for that allrounder position. Also a bit of a worry that no back up keeper was included. Lets hope that decision doesn't end in tears.
Unwritten_Law
31 Dec 2002, 11:16
Originally posted by lamby29
STATE AGE CAPS
Ricky Ponting (captain) TAS 28 151
Adam Gilchrist (vice-captain) WA 31 146
Michael Bevan NSW 32 189
Andrew Bichel QLD 32 33
Jason Gillespie SA 27 46
Matthew Hayden QLD 31 48
Brad Hogg WA 31 8
Brett Lee NSW 26 49
Darren Lehmann SA 32 84
Jimmy Maher QLD 28 14
Damien Martyn WA 31 107
Glenn McGrath NSW 32 166
Andrew Symonds QLD 27 49
Shane Warne VIC 33 191
Shane Watson TAS 21 18
No real surprises....
So what will the deal be with Shane Warne if he doesn't come up in time?
Because he has been selected in the original squad of 15, kmowingly injured, are we still allowed to bring someone else in if he is ruled out? Or does that only apply if they are injured in South Africa?
McAlmanac
31 Dec 2002, 11:20
Watson is a very lucky cricketer.
That's a great squad and should do well. Ryan Campbell is a little unlucky, let's hope Gilchrist doesn't break down.
Originally posted by Unwritten_Law
No real surprises....
So what will the deal be with Shane Warne if he doesn't come up in time?
Because he has been selected in the original squad of 15, kmowingly injured, are we still allowed to bring someone else in if he is ruled out? Or does that only apply if they are injured in South Africa?
Where allowed to replace him if he's ruled out later down the track before the World Cyp starts.
So what is the point of tomorrow's One Day game between Aus A and Sri Lanka? They've already picked the WC squad, so what's the point of playing it with many of the players who were selected, no chance of getting a spot in the WC squad.
Originally posted by Catman
So what is the point of tomorrow's One Day game between Aus A and Sri Lanka? They've already picked the WC squad, so what's the point of playing it with many of the players who were selected, no chance of getting a spot in the WC squad.
Sponsorship dollars.
Originally posted by McAlmanac
Watson is a very lucky cricketer.
so's Brad Hogg.
Why all of a sudden this new found infatuation with him.
"his performances over the past few years" haven't really been that good:
2002/03 - 3 matches, 2inns-0no-60runs. 21overs-0mdns-1wkt-89runs.
2001/02 - 10 matches, 9inns-4no-128runs. 57.1overs-0mdns-12wkts-307runs.
2000/01 - 11 matches, 8inns-5no-131runs. 63.4overs-0mdns-11wkts-362runs.
24 matches, 19inns, 9no, 319runs at 31.9. 141.5overs, 0 mdns, 24 wkts at 31.58. E/R: 5.33.
his now a batting all rounder, as his bowling is very rank ordinary indeed, and his performances haven't really been that great. If Warne goes down and his our spin bowler then were in more trouble than what i thought.
Added to that - he is over 30 now, and has run his race.
Hauritz would've been a much better option IMO, or going with another quick bowler such as Noffke or Bracken.
Originally posted by hourn
so's Brad Hogg.
Why all of a sudden this new found infatuation with him.
"his performances over the past few years" haven't really been that good:
2002/03 - 3 matches, 2inns-0no-60runs. 21overs-0mdns-1wkt-89runs.
2001/02 - 10 matches, 9inns-4no-128runs. 57.1overs-0mdns-12wkts-307runs.
2000/01 - 11 matches, 8inns-5no-131runs. 63.4overs-0mdns-11wkts-362runs.
24 matches, 19inns, 9no, 319runs at 31.9. 141.5overs, 0 mdns, 24 wkts at 31.58. E/R: 5.33.
his now a batting all rounder, as his bowling is very rank ordinary indeed, and his performances haven't really been that great. If Warne goes down and his our spin bowler then were in more trouble than what i thought.
Added to that - he is over 30 now, and has run his race.
Hauritz would've been a much better option IMO, or going with another quick bowler such as Noffke or Bracken.
Just wanted to add Andrew Symonds to the lucky list.
Being a good fielder shouldn't be enough to get you to the World Cup.
Originally posted by jaxx
Just wanted to add Andrew Symonds to the lucky list.
Being a good fielder shouldn't be enough to get you to the World Cup.
Maybe not, but what a 12th man!!!
FFS! Why have they picked that good for nothing Andrew Symonds again?! This is ridiculous, surely Greg Blewett should be the all-rounder.
No back-up keeper is interesting. That means Gilchrist won't be rested at all. Could be tough on him.
Originally posted by DaveW
FFS! Why have they picked that good for nothing Andrew Symonds again?! This is ridiculous, surely Greg Blewett should be the all-rounder.
No back-up keeper is interesting. That means Gilchrist won't be rested at all. Could be tough on him.
Great call. Blewey and Ryan Campbell should be there.
Originally posted by Catman
So what is the point of tomorrow's One Day game between Aus A and Sri Lanka?
Its probably to give Sri Lanka some match practice.
My North
31 Dec 2002, 14:33
No back up w/k in the 15 man team for the world cup.
Heard Dean Jones on the Sports Today on 3AW last night and he said there are 3 players doing W/K training. The 3 players he named I think were Jimmy Maher, Damian Martyn and Ricky Ponting just in case anything haoppens to Gilchrist
Dean also said the Ian Healy got injured the 1992 World Cup here in Australia and New Zealand and David Boon W/K in one game and he was well preapred just in case anything happen to Healy in 1992.
lamby29
31 Dec 2002, 15:07
Originally posted by McAlmanac
Watson is a very lucky cricketer.
Why? His average with the bat is better than Harvey and Symonds, and his bowling ain't bad either.
dr nick
31 Dec 2002, 15:17
Originally posted by lamby29
and his bowling ain't bad either.
would you like sauce with that?
roostersgal4eva
31 Dec 2002, 17:04
Originally posted by jaxx
Just wanted to add Andrew Symonds to the lucky list.
Being a good fielder shouldn't be enough to get you to the World Cup.
agreed - why in the hell wasnt blewy in? He's leading run scorer in the ING & SA's leading wicket taker for crying out loud!!!!
GoEagles
31 Dec 2002, 17:44
Symonds is very lucky in my books. If Gilchrist goes down, the only backup keeper is Ponting, but I'd much rather him in the field.
Campbell or Langer (who can keep a bit) should have made the '15'. The selectors picked Symonds because they obviously still dont have full faith in Watson.
The Ewok
31 Dec 2002, 18:45
Does Brad Hogg have some NSW roots or something?
No way should this hack be anywhere near the test or one day teams
kretchy
31 Dec 2002, 18:48
Even if batsman are trained in keeping they are not going to be good enough to keep effectively to someone like Warne if he is fit so really a back-up keeper like Campbell should be taken just on the slight chance that Gilchrist is injured.
OldSchool
31 Dec 2002, 19:32
Originally posted by McAlmanac
Watson is a very lucky cricketer.
I'd say Symonds was luckier.
His fielding is brilliant however, he has never really done enough with the bat and he is no more than a sixth bowler.
OldSchool
31 Dec 2002, 19:34
Originally posted by GoEagles
Symonds is very lucky in my books. If Gilchrist goes down, the only backup keeper is Ponting, but I'd much rather him in the field.
Campbell or Langer (who can keep a bit) should have made the '15'. The selectors picked Symonds because they obviously still dont have full faith in Watson.
I think you can replace a keeper if they get injured however, a player like Campbell could have been used to give Gilchrist a spell if we had already qualified for the next round
Jim Boy
31 Dec 2002, 19:46
Originally posted by OldSchool
I think you can replace a keeper if they get injured however, a player like Campbell could have been used to give Gilchrist a spell if we had already qualified for the next round
Lets think about this. Do you really think Australia should give over a valuable place in the 15 to someone like Campbell when we take on the mighty teams of Holland and Namibia??
Does it really matter if we concede a few byes in these matches?
Not that you want to get côcky or anything.
Joe Mama
31 Dec 2002, 21:22
Having Ryan Campbell in the squad gives you a superb back up wicket-keeper, but he can also be used as a back up batsman if one of our players are injured, but it goes without saying, Jimmy Maher DESERVES HIS PLACE IN THE TEAM.
The two who definately DO NOT are Brad Hogg and Shane Watson, either Nathan Hauritz or Cameron White would've been a better off spin option, and unlike Hogg, Hauritz and White have at least a decades worth of cricket in them.
Although i'm glad that Andrew Symonds has earned his place in the squad, (he's performed better overall than Shane Watson), Shane Watson's inclusion looks like a piece of misguided faith on the part of the selectors.
Greg Blewett's played brilliantly this summer, and should be considered unlucky not to fill the all-rounders spot (or even Jimmy Maher's spot as back up batsman), and an untimely hamstring injury to Ian Harvey prevented him from pressing his claims for selection.
With any squad, there's always going to be debate on who should've been included/excluded etc, but overall, this is a strong squad that should (in all likelyhood) meet South Africa in the Final (providing that everything goes according to plan).
Originally posted by kretchy
Even if batsman are trained in keeping they are not going to be good enough to keep effectively to someone like Warne
correct.India used Rahul Dravid as the wicketkeeper in the game the other day in NZ & he was hopeless.Dravid has kept a few times & its never worked.
OldSchool
1 Jan 2003, 07:13
Originally posted by JUBJUB
correct.India used Rahul Dravid as the wicketkeeper in the game the other day in NZ & he was hopeless.Dravid has kept a few times & its never worked.
The problem with using a non regular keeper is that you could also end up having an injured batsman in your squad
Originally posted by OldSchool
I think you can replace a keeper if they get injured however, a player like Campbell could have been used to give Gilchrist a spell if we had already qualified for the next round
You can replace a keeper if they get injured but what happens if the injury occurs the night before or morning of an important game then we are going to have to use a part time keeper.
CharlieG
1 Jan 2003, 10:49
Originally posted by kretchy
You can replace a keeper if they get injured but what happens if the injury occurs the night before or morning of an important game then we are going to have to use a part time keeper.
Hmm.... what's to stop Ryan Campbell from going on a holiday to South Africa to watch the cricket???
I think I can remember Damien Martyn keeping at Shield level. Or domestic one-day level?
Or maybe I'm just talking out of my arse?
Unwritten_Law
1 Jan 2003, 11:01
The two who definately DO NOT are Brad Hogg and Shane Watson, either Nathan Hauritz or Cameron White
and an untimely hamstring injury to Ian Harvey prevented him from pressing his claims for selection.
Hear Yeh!!! Hear Yeh!!
New South Wales bias from the selectors!!
Cry me a river :p The reason there are no Victorians (except Warne) is because they are not good enough shock horror :eek:
Putting Cameron White up for International Selection is laughable. Have you seen his figures in the ING cup this season? I suppose not, so here they are:
Bowling:
Name M O M R W Econ Rate
CL White 3 14 1 92 0 6.57
Batting:
Name M I R H.S. Ave S.R.
CL White 3 2 9 7 4.5 50.00
With that sort of form I wonder why he wasn't selected...pffft
Originally posted by Wayde Petersen
The two who definately DO NOT are Brad Hogg and Shane Watson, either Nathan Hauritz or Cameron White would've been a better off spin option, and unlike Hogg, Hauritz and White have at least a decades worth of cricket in them.
Hang on, why does the "decades worth of cricket" argument apply for Hauritz and White but not Watson? :confused: More importantly though, we're not looking to blood a player during this world cup. We just want the players who can win it for us now. Cameron White is far too raw for international cricket. I'm not a huge Hogg fan, but at present he's a better player than White.
The Ewok
1 Jan 2003, 11:23
Originally posted by Unwritten_Law
Putting Cameron White up for International Selection is laughable. Have you seen his figures in the ING cup this season? I suppose not, so here they are:
Bowling:
Name M O M R W Econ Rate
CL White 3 14 1 92 0 6.57
As compared to Brad 'The Hack' Hogg figures?
Name M O M R W Ave
GB Hogg 3 21 0 89 1 89.00
Originally posted by Unwritten_Law
Hear Yeh!!! Hear Yeh!!
New South Wales bias from the selectors!!
Cry me a river :p The reason there are no Victorians (except Warne) is because they are not good enough shock horror :eek:
I'm glad only one Vic player was picked for the WC squad.It gives us a good chance of winning the Pura & ING Cups.
Unwritten_Law
1 Jan 2003, 15:16
Originally posted by The Ewok
As compared to Brad 'The Hack' Hogg figures?
Name M O M R W Ave
GB Hogg 3 21 0 89 1 89.00
The big difference between the two are economy rates. White is going at 6.57 an over and Hogg at 4.24 an over. For a 10 over spell that's 23 extra runs that White is conceeding. A statistic that seems to be misplaced by yourself when putting forward Hogg's stats. Oh and no mention of Hogg's batting or fielding for that matter.
Batting:
Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave SR
GB Hogg 3 2 0 60 49 30.00 80.00
Why the hell would you take a replacement keeper!??!
If Gilchrist gets injured....we can replace him??
No other country is taking a backup keeper!?!?
dogboy23
1 Jan 2003, 19:59
Absolutely ridiculous decision to put Symonds in the squad.Blewett is clearly at the very least his equal with the ball and far superior with the bat.On top of that it would be handy to have another specialist opener in the team in case we cop a green top over there which is very likely to happen because we know how all these countries operate.The pitches will be green as a pool table over there.I like Ian Harvey but IMO he and Symonds just are not up to it.I do agree with Hoggs inclusion.Atleast he is a semi reliable batsman and has been bowling for longer than just a few years.Dont rate Hauritz bit of a pie thrower IMO.
Originally posted by Jaymin
Why the hell would you take a replacement keeper!??!
If Gilchrist gets injured....we can replace him??
No other country is taking a backup keeper!?!?
India [Rahul Dravid] & Sri Lanka [Hashbrown Tillikaratene] are using part time wicket keepers at the moment as a back up for the WC.
Will Jimmy Maher and Andrew Symonds now be in the Australian squad for the rest of the VB Series?
No. the VB squad will be kept to its 12. Maher will go back to plundering attacks in the Domestic Comp whilst Symonds will continue to agonisingly tease us with his sheer amount of talent not being utilized.
Well, with 15 in the final squad you haven't got a lot of leeway, and there are always going to be a couple of guys who have a right to feel unlucky. It's not a bad squad, but there are a few question marks.
Hogg or Hauritz is really a moot point. I don't think either of them are world beaters; I guess Hogg got the nod because he did some nice work for Australia A at the right time and he has the edge in experience. It goes without saying that we'll really miss Warne if he doesn't come up.
Watson is picked on faith rather than form, and it is a bit disturbing that both he and Symonds have been selected on a wing and a prayer. But then, what do you do? In the absence of a genuine all-rounder with a few games behind him, it's either them or Blewett and Harvey. I would have had one of them ahead of Symonds, and keep Watson in.
For Maher and Martyn you could easily substitute Langer and Campbell. Langer has proven time and again he can score quickly - only precedent keeps him out. Campbell is a punishing batsman and a handy back-up keeper. But it's a bit each way there. I would haved loved to have seen Campbell in the squad for his batting alone.
The only other possible inclusion for mine would be Noffke. I've never been much of a fan of his, but seeing him bowl last night conivinced me he could be a good inexpensive bowler.
We have a lot of little injury niggles too. McGrath, Gillespie, Lehmann, Ponting and Gilchrist have all been carrying something. You have to just hope they get through the next few weeks with no repercussions.
GoEagles
2 Jan 2003, 16:14
Originally posted by kretchy
Will Jimmy Maher and Andrew Symonds now be in the Australian squad for the rest of the VB Series?
I read on BaggyGreen that they will be selected for some of the remaining 5 VB games Australia plays (before the finals).
Kane McGoodwin
2 Jan 2003, 20:10
I hope like heck that Warney is fit for the cup, but if he doesn't come up, who do we replace him in the squad with? Hogg, Lehmann & Symonds can be used as spinners & would adding say a Hauritz add much? - particularly in South Africa (as opposed to the sub-continent). Reckon we would better off picking an experienced & in-form player like Blewett or Campbell (I can still recall that Moody's experience in the last world cup was crucial).
dogboy23
3 Jan 2003, 07:47
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I hope like heck that Warney is fit for the cup, but if he doesn't come up, who do we replace him in the squad with? Symonds can be used as spinners & would adding say a Hauritz add much? - particularly in South Africa (as opposed to the sub-continent). Reckon we would better off picking an experienced & in-form player like Blewett or Campbell (I can still recall that Moody's experience in the last world cup was crucial). You cant use Symonds spinners in a world cup they were get massacred.If he bowls it has to be his medium pacers IMO.I am favouring Hogg to play if Warne doesnt come up as he impresses me with his ability to bowl to his field and keep things tight and make the batsman force the pace.Also a very good batsman.
Kane McGoodwin
3 Jan 2003, 11:39
Originally posted by dogboy23
You cant use Symonds spinners in a world cup they were get massacred.If he bowls it has to be his medium pacers IMO.I am favouring Hogg to play if Warne doesnt come up as he impresses me with his ability to bowl to his field and keep things tight and make the batsman force the pace.Also a very good batsman. db, I take your points, but you didn't answer the question I posed. ie. Who would you replace Warne with in the 15 man squad if he is still injured. I was just making the point that we have other spin options with Hogg & Lehmann (I agree Symonds is ordinary). So would we better off bringing in a Blewett or Campbell who are in form, rather than Hauritz say?
Its not often Tony Greig makes sense,but he did yesterday.He was saying how stupid it was that countries had to name their WC squads so early [5-6 weeks before event],when there is still so many one day games currently being played.
Australia have had to name 3 injured players [Warne,McGrath & 'poor old' Gillespie ].England have named 4 injured players [Gough,Flintoff,Giles & Vaughan].
Why can't they be announced two weeks before the WC ?
larrikin
12 Jan 2003, 21:00
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Its not often Tony Greig makes sense,but he did yesterday.He was saying how stupid it was that countries had to name their WC squads so early [5-6 weeks before event],when there is still so many one day games currently being played.
Australia have had to name 3 injured players [Warne,McGrath & 'poor old' Gillespie ].England have named 4 injured players [Gough,Flintoff,Giles & Vaughan].
Why can't they be announced two weeks before the WC ?
Injured players who don't come up can be replaced, the timing of the squads was for printing etc.
The problem is you never know how well an injured player is going to come back
Kane McGoodwin
13 Jan 2003, 11:21
If Australia were to name their 15 man squad now, would they make any changes? Having recalled Symonds for 1 game & for him to confirm he is not up to international level, I would have thought the selectors would now choose an alternative player.
Injuries are a concern. McGrath, Gillespie & Warne are our 3 best bowlers, yet all are far from 100%. They need to be rested/rotated through the remainder of the ODI's (& some of the WC against the dud teams). Also, a fit Lehmann is needed too, as his bowling is undervalued.
Also, why do we persist with Brett Lee as a ODI bowler? There are heaps more econimical bowlers around such as Nofke. Bichel should be playing (in a full strength team) ahead of Lee, as his batting / fielding ability is the equal of Lee, but his bowling is far better for ODI's.