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Originally posted by Mcchawk
Go Steve make a century
He is killing them!
39 from 43 balls
8 boundaries!!!
red+black
3 Jan 2003, 14:36
there was something wrong with the other thread?
funnily enough, titled
Steve Waugh
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: - you earned them
Originally posted by red+black
there was something wrong with the other thread, funnily enough, titled
Steve Waugh
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: - you earned them
pms??? :confused:
anyway, Steve Waugh has just bought up his 50 with his 10th boundary and in just 61 balls. Playing like a champion.
Has he saved his career just yet though??
18 runs to the 10 000 to go now.
CharlieG
3 Jan 2003, 15:10
I think when you consider that 3 of his last four innings have been 50s, he should have booked a ticket to the West Indies. If he hasn't, a century will HAVE to be enough.
Charlie
Originally posted by CharlieG
I think when you consider that 3 of his last four innings have been 50s, he should have booked a ticket to the West Indies. If he hasn't, a century will HAVE to be enough.
Charlie
yep exactly what i said in the other thread. he's probably got himself a spot on the Windies tour, and a century now would put that beyond doubt.
Originally posted by hourn
and a century now would put that beyond doubt.
Not enough.
Trevor Hohns was heard to say in the members stand that Waugh has to make at least a double century to even have any consideration for the windies tour. :rolleyes:
CharlieG
3 Jan 2003, 17:08
Frostie, is that a reliable source for that statement???
Hohns will be shot if Waugh is dropped after today.
Charlie
Originally posted by CharlieG
Frostie, is that a reliable source for that statement???
Hohns will be shot if Waugh is dropped after today.
Charlie
Charlie.. :rolleyes: ;)
CharlieG
3 Jan 2003, 17:15
Oops... sorry. Just that nothing that spews forth from Hohns' mouth would surprise me. Isn't this the man who selected Scott Muller???
The Ewok
3 Jan 2003, 17:33
Originally posted by hourn
and a century now would put that beyond doubt.
Didn't help Dean Jones
Pretty sure he scored a century in his last test and then got dropped never to be seen again
Kenny_01
3 Jan 2003, 17:52
Jones made 11 and 21 in his last test.
The Ewok
3 Jan 2003, 18:48
Originally posted by Kenny_01
Jones made 11 and 21 in his last test.
Yep you are correct looking at CricInfo
Jones made 77 & 100* and Man Of The Match in his second last test and lead the tour averages and was gone forever one test later
davers11
3 Jan 2003, 19:12
Steve Waugh...........
You are a champion my friend!!!!!!!!!
What a legend!!! I really hope he gets to play until he thinks it is time to go (probably 2004) rather than getting dropped. What I don't understand though is why Hohns would consider dropping him? His recent scores of 103*, 7, 12, 34, 53, 77, 14 and 102* at an average of 67 is sensational. He has also lifted his strike rate recently. Who gives a **** if he is 37?
GO TUGGA!!!!
ScouseCat
3 Jan 2003, 19:26
I have to say that watching Steve Waugh get his century today was probably one of the best moments I can remember in Australian cricket. The hair stood up on the back of my neck watching Steve Waugh pass the hundred and what a time to score it, just when Australia needed it most!! :)
Originally posted by lamby29
What a legend!!! I really hope he gets to play until he thinks it is time to go (probably 2004) rather than getting dropped. What I don't understand though is why Hohns would consider dropping him? His recent scores of 103*, 7, 12, 34, 53, 77, 14 and 102* at an average of 67 is sensational. He has also lifted his strike rate recently. Who gives a **** if he is 37?
GO TUGGA!!!!
Here Here.
And the thing is the low scores have been scored when the top order have laid a foundation where if he failed the side was still going to win. Either that or he had blurred vision.
The only reason why he should be dropped is to give another guy a go and his age.
The list of why he shouldnt be dropped is endless.
Why drop the greatest Australian Captain in history? Why drop a guy averaging 67 on recent form? Why drop a guy whos last innings was his best for a couple of years? Why drop the one guy who more often then not plays to his potential when his needed most? Why drop our most experienced player when our 2nd most experienced was only recently dropped (Mark Waugh)? And finally why would you unnecessarily touch a winning combination?
Anyone calling for his head is a goose in my book.
The Old Dark Navy's
3 Jan 2003, 23:38
Not to mention that Ponting seems to have played himself out of form with a degree of carelessness in the last couple of innings.
The day was almost scripted for Waugh, such was the way it seemed to unwind. Couldn't have done it any better. Credit to Gilchrist for beating the Poms into submission late in the day, thus taking the pressure of Steve a little.
P0RT P0WER
4 Jan 2003, 04:58
Australia has a great test team, but when the pressures on we usually only have 1 player who digs us out of pressure situations.
He has done it continously over the past ten years, when we were three down yesterday only one man in Australia has the credentials of getting us back on track, his name is Steve Waugh, in one of his best pressure innings he turned a would of been a sour two days of cricket for Australia into a more even contest with a situation of powering ahead.
His knock was aggressive but experienced, he put the pressure back on England and proved yet again why he is worthy for another season of cricket, his captaincy and leadership is second to none, his knowledge and tactics in the field are a standard never seen before and he has built the greatest test side of any era over the past 5 years.
U name it, Steve has led from the front, his centuries in the Windies tours, his country saving knocks in the 99 world cup, his leadership in Sth Africa and making us unbeatable on home turf. At first I disagreed with the 30 man squad with him not being named but thought he wasn't in our best 12 but now when I think about it, he should be in that 12 ahead of Watson, Symonds or whoever the chosen all-rounder is as it's not just his skill but his presence and aggression he lays off on the field. When Steve first lost the one day role after leading a side who won 50 out of about there last 65 odd one dayers Ponting took over this unbeatable side and lost the series last year against NZ and Sth Africa, he redeemed himself on the Sth African tour but surely anyone could of led this great Australian one day side to victory at the time. I am sure Australia under pressure in the World Cup would prefer a Bevan- S Waugh combination than a Watson-Symonds combination digging Australia out of trouble.
The Queensland gauntlet of Border and Hohns has got to go, Symonds selection was poor, Maher's was warranted but since these clowns have rna things we seem to see Queenslanders popping up left right and centre, the excuses have been youth but when they select Bichel over a young pace bowler it is labelled as experience but when it's Ponting over Steve it is youth, If I was a New South Welshman Id be very bitter.
I heard Allan Border a couple of years ago about his record and they asked him about it being overtaken and he replied something along the lines that No-one wants there record to be overtaken and it sounded as if he interpreted it like the way Taylor retired on 334* equal with the Don is the same way his record should be. Steve Waugh is greater than Allan Border and always will be.
That ton off the last ball yesterday nearly brought a tear to my eye, in front of his home crowd, family and friends, in another pressure situation leading from the front summed up his great career, a fighter. It brought Australia to a stand still, I think the whole world barracked for Steve yesterday, he gave it back by producing an innings people couldn't of imagined happening.
P.S I think it shall make the KFC special moment today and also the Solo thirstcrusher flashback. :)
Originally posted by Frosties_Flank
Not enough.
Trevor Hohns was heard to say in the members stand that Waugh has to make at least a double century to even have any consideration for the windies tour. :rolleyes:
Sounds like BS to me. I doubt Hohns would be so stupid to say that outloud in the members stand! He'd get lynched!
i must say it is great to see all the steve waugh fans voicing themselves in recent posts. where have you guys been?
to be frank, this is the back to the wall, gritty fighter we will be missing when the heat is turned right up in the world cup.
Originally posted by P0RT P0WER
Australia has a great test team, but when the pressures on we usually only have 1 player who digs us out of pressure situations.
He has done it continously over the past ten years, when we were three down yesterday only one man in Australia has the credentials of getting us back on track, his name is Steve Waugh, in one of his best pressure innings he turned a would of been a sour two days of cricket for Australia into a more even contest with a situation of powering ahead.
His knock was aggressive but experienced, he put the pressure back on England and proved yet again why he is worthy for another season of cricket, his captaincy and leadership is second to none, his knowledge and tactics in the field are a standard never seen before and he has built the greatest test side of any era over the past 5 years.
U name it, Steve has led from the front, his centuries in the Windies tours, his country saving knocks in the 99 world cup, his leadership in Sth Africa and making us unbeatable on home turf. At first I disagreed with the 30 man squad with him not being named but thought he wasn't in our best 12 but now when I think about it, he should be in that 12 ahead of Watson, Symonds or whoever the chosen all-rounder is as it's not just his skill but his presence and aggression he lays off on the field. When Steve first lost the one day role after leading a side who won 50 out of about there last 65 odd one dayers Ponting took over this unbeatable side and lost the series last year against NZ and Sth Africa, he redeemed himself on the Sth African tour but surely anyone could of led this great Australian one day side to victory at the time. I am sure Australia under pressure in the World Cup would prefer a Bevan- S Waugh combination than a Watson-Symonds combination digging Australia out of trouble.
The Queensland gauntlet of Border and Hohns has got to go, Symonds selection was poor, Maher's was warranted but since these clowns have rna things we seem to see Queenslanders popping up left right and centre, the excuses have been youth but when they select Bichel over a young pace bowler it is labelled as experience but when it's Ponting over Steve it is youth, If I was a New South Welshman Id be very bitter.
I heard Allan Border a couple of years ago about his record and they asked him about it being overtaken and he replied something along the lines that No-one wants there record to be overtaken and it sounded as if he interpreted it like the way Taylor retired on 334* equal with the Don is the same way his record should be. Steve Waugh is greater than Allan Border and always will be.
That ton off the last ball yesterday nearly brought a tear to my eye, in front of his home crowd, family and friends, in another pressure situation leading from the front summed up his great career, a fighter. It brought Australia to a stand still, I think the whole world barracked for Steve yesterday, he gave it back by producing an innings people couldn't of imagined happening.
P.S I think it shall make the KFC special moment today and also the Solo thirstcrusher flashback. :)
My thoughts almost exactly- agree about Symonds, but not Maher.
The thing is, it wasn't 'just' a century, forgetting everything else about it, the most important thing is that he hauled Australia's ass out of the fire convincingly and completely, against what was actually (shock horror gasp) some very good English bowling. Depending on what happens today, this could be one of the few times when a player could be said to have played a genuinely game turning innings- that alone must give selectors an awful lot to thing about.
But geez, a KFC special moment, *and* a Solo Thirstcrusher flashback? Thats a big call you know, since there can be few greater honors in cricket than taking out the vaunted "3 piece feed with a can'o'drink" award double... Spine tingling stuff.;)
Dare I suggest that he might even add a ridiculously overpriced piece of Ch 9 comemorative art to that honors list..
Originally posted by Mead
My thoughts almost exactly- agree about Symonds, but not Maher.
The thing is, it wasn't 'just' a century, forgetting everything else about it, the most important thing is that he hauled Australia's ass out of the fire convincingly and completely, against what was actually (shock horror gasp) some very good English bowling. Depending on what happens today, this could be one of the few times when a player could be said to have played a genuinely game turning innings- that alone must give selectors an awful lot to thing about.
But geez, a KFC special moment, *and* a Solo Thirstcrusher flashback? Thats a big call you know, since there can be few greater honors in cricket than taking out the vaunted "3 piece feed with a can'o'drink" award double... Spine tingling stuff.;)
Dare I suggest that he might even add a ridiculously overpriced piece of Ch 9 comemorative art to that honors list..
great post P0RT P0WER, well said and i agree with you 100%
also mead, very true, the english bowled very well. you only have to look at the top order scores, martyn's strike rate and Love's shaky stay to realise that.
the commerative limited edition of 10,000 "10,000 test runs" framed and signed photos will be available shortly, with the nice frame of course ;)
the average joe having a casual glance at the cricket yesterday would surely be miffed if you told him that damian martyn is in the one day side yet steve waugh is not.
http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,228407,00.jpg
http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,228408,00.jpg
worth going out and buying this paper today, 10 pages on steve waugh
Originally posted by nicko18
the commerative limited edition of 10,000 "10,000 test runs" framed and signed photos will be available shortly, with the nice frame of course ;)
Cash or Credit?
I'm just waiting for the day when Richie Benaud says 'Marvellous piece, this, perfect collectors item, only $9995.. .. or your SOULLLLLLL!!!!!! mwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! (head rotates around, spilling green goo on that lovely salmon jacket)
The Old Dark Navy's
4 Jan 2003, 17:34
Originally posted by P0RT P0WER
The Queensland gauntlet of Border and Hohns has got to go, Symonds selection was poor, Maher's was warranted but since these clowns have rna things we seem to see Queenslanders popping up left right and centre, the excuses have been youth but when they select Bichel over a young pace bowler it is labelled as experience but when it's Ponting over Steve it is youth, If I was a New South Welshman Id be very bitter. Yeah sure I can see how New South Wales players get such a raw deal. Barely see any of them in the National squads.
I heard Allan Border a couple of years ago about his record and they asked him about it being overtaken and he replied something along the lines that No-one wants there record to be overtaken and it sounded as if he interpreted it like the way Taylor retired on 334* equal with the Don is the same way his record should be. Steve Waugh is greater than Allan Border and always will be.This sort of thing really annoys me. In an effort to support one champion, you denigrate another. If you like to see someone take the bit between their teeth when their side was in trouble, look no further than Allan Border. Less than half of his career was spent amongst the likes of Chappell, Marsh, Lillee in a golden era for Australian Cricket. Then when Kim Hughes cracks the sh*ts, AB has the captaincy all but forced upon him and spends years amongst a bunch of no name, no talents getting their arse kicked all over the place. This man too averaged over 50 and faced Garner, Roberts, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh, Hadlee, Botham, Imran, Dev on a regular basis. Back in those days, it was a momentous occasion just to make the all conquering Windies bat again or to avoid the follow on. England weren't the rabble that we have seen in recent years either with Gooch, Gower, Botham and Lamb at the top of their game still. I give AB all the credit in the world for the role he played in developing the nucleus of the Australian teams that achieved such great success towards the end of his career and immediately thereafter.
Steve Waugh is a determined player and a favourite but has played with a lot less pressure on him in comparison. You can put them both on a pedestal if you like, but do suggest that Waugh is better than Border and always will be ... well, highly subjective to say the least.
i think it is virtually unanimous in every "top 100 players" ive seen recently that steve waugh is ahead of allan border
The Old Dark Navy's
4 Jan 2003, 18:22
Originally posted by nicko18
i think it is virtually unanimous in every "top 100 players" ive seen recently that steve waugh is ahead of allan border 'Recently' being the operative word. Everybody loves a winner and the current Australian side are like gods. Forget about what you have seen from others, give me your assessment of the two players as far as performance and on field character go. Seems logical to me that they are pretty hard to split and for the most part represent different eras of Australian cricket with fluctuating fortunes. How exactly is AB inferior to Steve Waugh?
I guess recent charts tell you that Eminem is the greatest performer in the world too?
Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
'Recently' being the operative word. Everybody loves a winner and the current Australian side are like gods. Forget about what you have seen from others, give me your assessment of the two players as far as performance and on field character go. Seems logical to me that they are pretty hard to split and for the most part represent different eras of Australian cricket with fluctuating fortunes. How exactly is AB inferior to Steve Waugh?
I guess recent charts tell you that Eminem is the greatest performer in the world too?
'recently' as in both have had time enough for their careers to flourish. all time charts are not based on current form, but overall career. you seem to imply that these all time lists are chosen with a bias towards current day players. they are not. your eminem remark might be a current top 40 vote, of which not even bradman would be in the fray, eminem would not make the comparative all time lists. in those lists, steve waugh is always above border.
Allan Border made more runs, and against better bowlers. Back in those days the side didn't just captain on auto-pilot either.
One ABC commentator said the other day that when Border played well, Australia was always in with a chance, whereas without him they were stuffed. Batted anywhere from 3-6, and as captain he didn't have current world-beaters like Hayden, Ponting, McGrath and Warne at his disposal at their peak.
I think that's more pressure than what S.Waugh puts up with these days, flying from country to country flogging whatever unprofessional rabble trots out disguised as a Test team.
Originally posted by Darky
Allan Border made more runs, and against better bowlers. Back in those days the side didn't just captain on auto-pilot either.
One ABC commentator said the other day that when Border played well, Australia was always in with a chance, whereas without him they were stuffed. Batted anywhere from 3-6, and as captain he didn't have current world-beaters like Hayden, Ponting, McGrath and Warne at his disposal at their peak.
I think that's more pressure than what S.Waugh puts up with these days, flying from country to country flogging whatever unprofessional rabble trots out disguised as a Test team.
that must be why no-one of importance (and by that i mean professional cricketing journos, commentators and ex players, notself professed experts such as yourself that claims steve waugh captains on auto pilot, but by judging australia's form back then, you could say the same for border) rates border higher than steve waugh.
P0RT P0WER
5 Jan 2003, 20:18
Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
Yeah sure I can see how New South Wales players get such a raw deal. Barely see any of them in the National squads.
I wasn't referring to New South Wales players, I was reffering to Steve Waugh and being a New South Welshmen I'd be very bitter seeing the way he is treated, before making assumptions read my posts CLEARLY!
This sort of thing really annoys me. In an effort to support one champion, you denigrate another. If you like to see someone take the bit between their teeth when their side was in trouble, look no further than Allan Border. Less than half of his career was spent amongst the likes of Chappell, Marsh, Lillee in a golden era for Australian Cricket. Then when Kim Hughes cracks the sh*ts, AB has the captaincy all but forced upon him and spends years amongst a bunch of no name, no talents getting their arse kicked all over the place. This man too averaged over 50 and faced Garner, Roberts, Holding, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh, Hadlee, Botham, Imran, Dev on a regular basis. Back in those days, it was a momentous occasion just to make the all conquering Windies bat again or to avoid the follow on. England weren't the rabble that we have seen in recent years either with Gooch, Gower, Botham and Lamb at the top of their game still. I give AB all the credit in the world for the role he played in developing the nucleus of the Australian teams that achieved such great success towards the end of his career and immediately thereafter.
Steve Waugh is a determined player and a favourite but has played with a lot less pressure on him in comparison. You can put them both on a pedestal if you like, but do suggest that Waugh is better than Border and always will be ... well, highly subjective to say the least.
[/COLOR]I was never denigrating Allan Borders onfield efforts I was critiscizing his off field antics, so again before you rant and rave like you continously do read my post CLEARLY. I personally rate Steve Waugh better, but each to their own, they have similar averages and runs scored but IMO Allan Borders were more individual than Steve Waughs but Steve Waughs ability to be best in the world year after year and be the most feared test team ever just shows what a true leader he is. Not only has he been able to re-write history his time at the helm has smashed most records that were not seen as breakable. Allan was one of the greatest but not comparable to Waugh, Waugh also spent time in his early days against these great bowlers you mentioned, but he has brought a new dimension to test cricket, taking new risks to the game, winning games so convincingly time and time again some under three days others by innings and ample runs, Waugh always stands up when we are looking down the barrell, people like yourself seem to forget the self heroics of the 99 world cup, the West Indies tour etc when he dragged us out of loseable situations into great wins. This is the greatest side of any era and captained by the greatest captain of all time.[
P0RT P0WER
5 Jan 2003, 20:29
Quoted by Nicko18 - i think it is virtually unanimous in every "top 100 players" ive seen recently that steve waugh is ahead of allan border
Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
I guess recent charts tell you that Eminem is the greatest performer in the world too?
Again you try an make assumptions and do not read the post clearly, if you use your brain Nicko was trying to elaborate the top 100 of all time and it seems pretty obvoius when he is talking about Border and Waugh as Border is no longer playing that he is going on past tense. Another pathetic response trying to start an argument with a response that is not even relevant to the subject! :confused: :rolleyes: