View Full Version : Changes for Round 4
Sigmund
11 Apr 2009, 23:55
Discuss
BomberAce7
11 Apr 2009, 23:59
In - McVeigh, McPhee.
Out - Nash, Dyson.
danzan22
12 Apr 2009, 00:01
In - McVeigh, McPhee.
Out - Nash, Dyson.
Dyson did some alright things but overall was below par so could be in trouble. Myers may also come under a bit of heat as his defensive game tonight was ugly to watch.
kelvin_sheedy
12 Apr 2009, 00:07
Outs: Myers, Nash, Dyson
Ins: McPhee, McVeigh, NLM/Houli/Atkinson or whoever plays well at VFL level.
Lets get some bigger bodies back in and have a real crack at a finals birth.
Myers looks like he can barely get out of second gear so back to the twos to get fitness and form. The other two are self explanatory.
dave_27
12 Apr 2009, 00:09
OUT: Nash Jetta
IN: Mcveigh Mcphee
Sigmund
12 Apr 2009, 00:15
OUT: Nash Jetta
IN: Mcveigh Mcphee
I thought Nash was better than Dyson (although he was the one who cleared to it Hille in the last 30 sec to the wing
Bombermania
12 Apr 2009, 00:18
After such a great team win the only change I would make is
McVeigh in Myers out!
but McPhee is normally a starter therefore maybe drop Nash or Dyson
muzz777
12 Apr 2009, 00:33
IN: Mcveigh, Mcphee, Lonergun
OUT: Dyson, Nash, Jetta
I thought everyone was good again tonight, even the late change Nash was good, got plenty of it, used it well. Gee Dyson is fast establishing himself now isnt he. That kick to Skipworth was awesome, and is starting to go in for the hardball too. I like the idea of getting Myers into more of a midfield role. So that could be an option of:
OUT: Myers
IN: Mcphee
IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Houli
OUT: Dyson, Nash, Myers
lemon chicken
12 Apr 2009, 00:48
McPhee and McVeigh would be walk up starters. Id be inclined to give Lonergan another week.
Most obvious out for me would be Nash, was awful, showed no intensity till the last qtr and really looked like he didnt wanna be there for most of the game. Any of Jetta, Dyson or Myers would be next.
loopy_cam
12 Apr 2009, 01:03
That was such a good win that Lonergan may have to play for Bendigo next week. This is definitely a good thing.
Out: Myers, Nash
In: McVeigh, McPhee
EVERLAST
12 Apr 2009, 01:06
Definitely need to knock Dyson out of the senior team.
Absolutely useless and weak for a player who has been at the club for the best part of 5 years. No heart whatsoever when games are hang in the balance and definitely nowhere to be sighted. Just making up the numbers while some of our best 22 are out injured.
With Winders back in full flight, would like to hope that Dyson will be playing his final season in the red and black.
All I hope is Bellchambers can bring it to the table to help validate offloading Laycock also and I'll be content for 2010.
Feels a lot like 1993 when I felt the same about Flood and Somerville.
Nash doesn't seem to have much apart from a good long kick either. He doesn't appear to have improved either. Spare parts player with no sense of ownership for a position in our best 22.
In Mcphee, McVeigh
Out: Myers/Nash, Dyson
Mcphee was our best forward for the first two games, and would have been handy today.
Mcveigh is a gimme.
Dyson performed okay, but has no future like many said. He is below average and his good games only put him at 15th best or so.
Myers needs more game time, and nash isn't in our best 22 so one should really go. Myers has more upside but nash played a better game.
I would keep jetta in the side, because i think he compliments davey and make out forward line more dangerous, specially with the height we will be playing.
bombers2011
12 Apr 2009, 09:01
I think we need to give Myers more game time. I am sure that Knights is playing him the way he is for a reason, but i really feel like he needs to play on the wing and get some confidence. He doesn't look like a natural defender it seems to impede his natural inclinations. Dyson and Nash are obviously not in our best team and anyone suggesting NLM come in should be axed!! McPhee will get a game, but I am not 100 convinced he is in our best team, If Gus Monfries keeps on task (with Mcphee out, Gus was Sensational last night) I would rather Monfries and Reimers on the forward flanks.
Jetta Looked completely freaked out last night. We saw last year that he can string some great games together, but he didn't look ready last night. I am willing to stand by him, with he and Davey in the pockets we look very very dangerous and not many teams are gona have 2 small defenders to match that kinda pace...
In: McVeigh McPhee
Outs: Nash Dyson
Strike Swiftly
12 Apr 2009, 09:13
Out: Nash, Myers, Dyson/Jetta
In: McVeigh, McPhee & Reimers? (Will he be right to play?)
bipolarbeaR
12 Apr 2009, 09:52
Out: Nash, Dyson, Myers, Jetta. In: Mcphee, McVeigh, Houli, Lonergan. Dyson won't be pulled *sigh*
bombers2011
12 Apr 2009, 09:53
Out: Nash, Myers, Dyson/Jetta
Reimers? (Will he be right to play?)
Knights didn't mention him in the press conference when asked who would be back next week. So, Hopefully he is back for Anzac Day... It's been soooo long since we have seen him on the field, Since he did his Hammy against the Demons in Round 18! For my money he is gonna make a massive difference to the half forward line
Daytripper
12 Apr 2009, 10:31
In : McVeigh, McPhee
Out : Nash, Jetta
Myers on the cusp of getting dropped if Lonergan can come up.
SirJimi05
12 Apr 2009, 12:50
Nash doesn't seem to have much apart from a good long kick either. He doesn't appear to have improved either. Spare parts player with no sense of ownership for a position in our best 22.
He doesn't have that. Nash is an ordinary kick of a football.
Why are so many Essendon supporters of the opinion that Nash is a good kick?
SirJimi05
12 Apr 2009, 12:53
Myers should not be dropped.
We need to get as much game time into our youngsters as possible. I think this is the view of Knights also.
He is lacking touch at the moment but he had an injury interupted pre season. He will get his touch and confidence back after a few more games.
No more than 2 changes. McPhee and McVeigh are almost forced changes, but you make as few changes to a side that won like that as you can.
To be honest, I'm leaving any thought of changes to the coaching staff, too many dilemmas. All 22 that played last night have a case.
LovettRyderLloyd
12 Apr 2009, 14:01
I think we need to give Myers more game time. I am sure that Knights is playing him the way he is for a reason, but i really feel like he needs to play on the wing and get some confidence. He doesn't look like a natural defender it seems to impede his natural inclinations. Dyson and Nash are obviously not in our best team and anyone suggesting NLM come in should be axed!! McPhee will get a game, but I am not 100 convinced he is in our best team, If Gus Monfries keeps on task (with Mcphee out, Gus was Sensational last night) I would rather Monfries and Reimers on the forward flanks.
Jetta Looked completely freaked out last night. We saw last year that he can string some great games together, but he didn't look ready last night. I am willing to stand by him, with he and Davey in the pockets we look very very dangerous and not many teams are gona have 2 small defenders to match that kinda pace...
In: McVeigh McPhee
Outs: Nash Dyson
Couldnt agree more, I believe he can be a very damaging player, however he doesnt look like a very good defender and at the moment is often being led to the ball rather then anticipating where its going to go and therefore he is unable to do what he is down in the backline for, to REBOUND!
upanddown
12 Apr 2009, 14:13
Definetly drop Jetta he was hopeless last night. Remeber when he ****ed up a hand ball in our half forward. I gave him the biggest spray i've ever given an Essendon football. Tell you the truth i'm surprised i didn't get booted out of the mcc for it.
Jonesy1987
12 Apr 2009, 14:32
Definetly drop Jetta he was hopeless last night. Remeber when he ****ed up a hand ball in our half forward. I gave him the biggest spray i've ever given an Essendon football. Tell you the truth i'm surprised i didn't get booted out of the mcc for it.
He laid some crucial tackles, also his defensive pressure was good. Noticed he marked Fev closely when he was waiting for a cheap handball outside the 50, very quick thinking from Leroy. If he had kicked those two goals he would have been very good.
kelvin_sheedy
12 Apr 2009, 14:35
Myers should not be dropped.
We need to get as much game time into our youngsters as possible. I think this is the view of Knights also.
He is lacking touch at the moment but he had an injury interupted pre season. He will get his touch and confidence back after a few more games.
Why should we give ourselves less chance of winning by selecting a guy that is doing absolutely nothing. In fact Nash and Dyson are better options than Myers at the moment.
There's no guarantee he's going to make it and he needs to earn a game. This free ride crap should be left to the under 13's.
McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, NLM, Reimers and even Houli are all automatic selections ahead of him. If we had a full list does he get a game?
ghostdog
12 Apr 2009, 14:48
He doesn't have that. Nash is an ordinary kick of a football.
Why are so many Essendon supporters of the opinion that Nash is a good kick?
Nash, with a Carlton player on his back, delivered a fifteen metre kick to Watson in the forward fifty, to set up a goal. He may not be consistent, but that was a pretty good effort.
S3XDONS
12 Apr 2009, 15:27
yeh i'd love to see myers on a wing... mcveigh and mcphee will definately be in at the least... i reckon nash out not sure who the other would be...
how good will it be when we have mcviegh, reimers, prismall, welsh... its like a whole nother midfield...
Wahooti Fandango
12 Apr 2009, 15:32
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan
Out: Jetta, Myers, Zaharakis
I think Zaharakis has been very good, but someone needs to make way for Lonergan.
essendon2008
12 Apr 2009, 15:36
yeh i'd love to see myers on a wing... mcveigh and mcphee will definately be in at the least... i reckon nash out not sure who the other would be...
how good will it be when we have mcviegh, reimers, prismall, welsh... its like a whole nother midfield...
I was thinking that too lastnight, seeing Welsh and McVeigh in the box. Hopefully the guys that stood up lastnight can continue to play well when our 'A' grade midfield is back out there; it would give us some good depth, which we havent had much of in the last few years.
I was very impressed with Lovett lastnight, really took the game on.
Can't wait for the team list this week, hopefully saying:
In: McVeigh
cooper6
12 Apr 2009, 16:31
mcphee, mcveigh in. jetta, myers out.
these guys (like neagle) havent earned their spots and playing them isn't doing anything for the team or 4 their own games. surely a couple of strong performances in the vfl could give myers increased confidence before placing him in the 1s? and did jetta do enough in the 2s to deserve a callup? send him back.
instead of telling these guys that 'you are our future', tell them 'prove to us that you should be a part of this teams future.' it seems to be all too easy for these kids. eg. neagle being given lloyds spot.
lonergan an unlucky 1st emergency. zaharakis definitely remaining in, his disposal and inside 50s are excellent.
The Donners
12 Apr 2009, 16:33
IN: McVeigh, McPhee, Bellchambers
OUT: Nash, Dyson, Myers
North Melbourne have quality talls, we need a second ruckman. I've liked what I've seen with Bellchambers at the rucking contests, defficiencies are obvious but feel he can do a good job helping Hille at stoppages.
Not my favourite player but McPhee was excellent as a 3rd tall in the forward line while Lucas/Lloyd were down. With Lloyd back in form, McPhee could really help Lucas out by creating more options in the forward line and thus less predictability when going inside 50 or across the half forward line.
McVeigh, nuff said.
Wahooti Fandango
12 Apr 2009, 16:43
IN: McVeigh, McPhee, Bellchambers
OUT: Nash, Dyson, Myers
North Melbourne have quality talls, we need a second ruckman. I've liked what I've seen with Bellchambers at the rucking contests, defficiencies are obvious but feel he can do a good job helping Hille at stoppages.
Not my favourite player but McPhee was excellent as a 3rd tall in the forward line while Lucas/Lloyd were down. With Lloyd back in form, McPhee could really help Lucas out by creating more options in the forward line and thus less predictability when going inside 50 or across the half forward line.
McVeigh, nuff said.
I thought Hale was badly injured today?
bacon buster
12 Apr 2009, 16:48
love leroy, but looked completely out of touch last night, fumbled under pressure several times.
mcveigh and mcphee in, jetta and nash out.
jetta may be saved by the fact we tore the kangas a new arsehole last year with pace though.
SirJimi05
12 Apr 2009, 17:09
Why should we give ourselves less chance of winning by selecting a guy that is doing absolutely nothing. In fact Nash and Dyson are better options than Myers at the moment.
There's no guarantee he's going to make it and he needs to earn a game. This free ride crap should be left to the under 13's.
McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, NLM, Reimers and even Houli are all automatic selections ahead of him. If we had a full list does he get a game?
Don't talk to me about Myers please Kelvin.
We all know your are just gutted that Palmer is not wearing an Essendon jumper.
Nash, with a Carlton player on his back, delivered a fifteen metre kick to Watson in the forward fifty, to set up a goal. He may not be consistent, but that was a pretty good effort.
Yep he does pull out a good kick on the rare occasion. Do you have a point?
The fact that he is so inconsistant only strengthens my view that he is an ordinary kick of the pill.
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kelvin_sheedy
12 Apr 2009, 17:16
Don't talk to me about Myers please Kelvin.
We all know your are just gutted that Palmer is not wearing an Essendon jumper
So I guess you aren't going to address the question of why we should be selecting someone who is a liability at present and the fact that there are better options old and young?
The Donners
12 Apr 2009, 17:16
I thought Hale was badly injured today?
True, I wish him well but it will make things a little easier for Essendon - only a little. McIntosh and Petrie in the ruck is a formidable partnership even without Hale. North Melbourne's scoring options have also taken a massive hit if Hale doesn't get up for our round 4 clash.
I'll be there, hopefully to see 3 in a row to the Dons (which after round 4 would already better our first half to '08! :o)!!! :thumbsu:
The Donners
12 Apr 2009, 17:17
So I guess you aren't going to address the question of why we should be selecting someone who is a liability at present and the fact that they're better options old and young?
Patience KS, patience (see Dempsey).
The Dustbin
12 Apr 2009, 17:51
Looks like we have covered Ess changes..
For North it looks llike Hale and Harding will be forced changes. Jones, Power and Swallow will be struggling to retain their spots.
Edwards still has few more weeks to serve in the VFL. Harris and Goldstein will be pushing for selection if they are fit.
danzan22
12 Apr 2009, 18:31
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan
Out: Jetta, Myers, Zaharakis
I think Zaharakis has been very good, but someone needs to make way for Lonergan.While dyson and nash remain in the side, you can't be serious :eek:
Big Jim
12 Apr 2009, 19:46
In: McPhee, McVeigh
Out: Jetta, Dyson
Jetta looked terribly out of touch and Dyson doesn't seem like he's prepared to gut run.
Darealrath
12 Apr 2009, 20:36
In: McVeigh, McPhee
Out: Jetta, Myers
Houli2Gumbleton
12 Apr 2009, 21:35
If we want a full strength side (barring the injuries to Laycock, Reimers and prismall) then this should take place:
In: Mark McVeigh - Adam McPhee - Sam Lonergan - Bachar Houli
Out: Ricky Dyson - Leroy Jetta - David Myers - Jay Nash
Out: Myers, Nash, Dyson
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan
Side:
B: Slattery, Daniher, Fletcher
HB: Dempsey, Ryder, Pears
C: Lovett, Watson, Hocking
HF: Monfries, Lucas, Davey
F: Winderlich, Lloyd, McPhee
R: Hille, Stanton, McVeigh
Int: Zaharakis, Jetta, Skipworth, Lonergan
Emerg: Dyson, Myers, Nash
bombersno1
12 Apr 2009, 21:41
Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.
Skeeta Olly
12 Apr 2009, 22:44
I see the points you are making (for some), but the less changes the better, especially to a successful side (as in we won the game).
The Dustbin
12 Apr 2009, 22:53
Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.
You can't just drop Skipworth to play Myers in the midfield. Skipworth has earnt and deserved his spot in the team.
You can't just drop Skipworth to play Myers in the midfield. Skipworth has earnt and deserved his spot in the team.
...but someone has to go...
Quality reasoning there. :thumbsu:
nighthawk
13 Apr 2009, 01:07
Dyson has done okay in the first few rounds, and probably hasnīt warranted being omitted just yet. But... with the midfield depth we are developing, I donīt think thereīs room in our team anymore for him. Has been better, but still not above our regular players. Should either be kept on the list purely for depth, or discarded at seasonīs end.
Therefore, I agree with most.
OUT: Dyson, Nash
IN: McVeigh, McPhee
loopy_cam
13 Apr 2009, 01:32
Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.
Cue Bens epic fail pic.
Sigmund
13 Apr 2009, 08:16
Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.
Once again you show your total lack of football knowledge and appeciation for the game
gonna be a very interesting week at selection.
We cant forget Quinn, Knights seems a made of his word, and wouldnt suprise me if he gives the Irishman another crack at all after missing last week.
You would think McVeigh and McPhee are automatic ins, so Lonergan and Reimers may find themselves having a week in the VFL. Reimers probably should go via there anyway.
That means at least 2 outs, if not 3.
On the performance, Id say the only obvious out is Myers. To me, he doesnt look at the level at the moment, and can continue to develop at VFL level. Jetta didnt set the world on fire either, but I think he gives better balance to the side, and allows Davey to do more up the field and is worth persisting with.
I think all others have done enough to hold their spots, so who knows. Perhaps Nash will go back out.
A very good problem to have though, cant remember depth like this for a while - at a time where we have 8 or so of our best 22 out. Hurley may only be another week or 2 away and Prismall seems to be ahead of schedule, so there are very exciting and interesting times ahead.
I think overall Knights has found a much better balance in modern football by playing Ryder as a forward second ruck, allowing more mobile players instead of Neagle and Bellchambers and Im not sure we should change that.
They can develop in the VFL, and really need performances to demand senior selection.
anyone notice skipworth directing traffic, standing near the boundary while on the bench?
The reason why this guy is playing is onlydue to the touches he gets, and he is getting em anyway.
Can not understand how anyone could suggest he be an out at this stage?:confused:
ghostdog
13 Apr 2009, 09:46
Yep he does pull out a good kick on the rare occasion. Do you have a point?
The fact that he is so inconsistant only strengthens my view that he is an ordinary kick of the pill.
I just don't think he rarely kicks well. I think Nash kicks about 60-40 good kicks, which is hardly rare. When he kicks well he delivers as sharply as anyone out there. I agree though that his inconsistency hurts him. He makes bad decisions with the ball at times as well. More than once I've seen him deliver a hospital pass, and if we hope to minimise turn overs it's that skill (decision making) as a group that needs to be worked on, as well as delivery skills.
FWIW, I think outs would probably be out of Jetta, Dyson, Myers and Nash. I'm guessing only McPhee and McVeigh will come in though, and in spite of Jetta's inability to get the ball against Carlton I'd give him another go, just for his pace. Nash in many ways seems to be the new Dyson, so I'd give Myers another crack. I wonder how he'd go forward if McPhee went back though...
james_omahoney
13 Apr 2009, 09:58
In: McPhee, McVeigh
Out: Jetta, Myers
Rationale: Jetta needed to snag a few in the Carlton game to keep his spot, given that he was a bit of a wildcard for the style of play that round 3 required. Myers will get plenty more chances in the future but probably best to spend some time in the VFL getting his hands on the ball at the moment. Don't know much about where Lonergan is at right now, so will reserve judgement there.
Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.
Do you think before you post?
TheDon35
13 Apr 2009, 10:09
Myers was terrible but needs exposure at the top level and a bit of continuity, give him another week imo
Jetta was boardering on pathetic but having been brought in this week should get a couple of bites at it and remain in the side.
Scott Lucas is starting to become a real concern. Has totally lost the plot. Looks unfit and unable to make a serious impact.
Skipworth can go. Was ordinary again on Saturday. Mr Backward kick.
Dyson can go.
Nash can go.
Lucas. Go and get some run into your legs and your hands on the ball.
In Mcveigh, Houli, Mcphee, Quinn (of the back of a solid first up performance)
Absolutely no chance of that happening but worth throwing it out there.
Skeeta Olly
13 Apr 2009, 10:16
The only reason I can think of Dyson being dropped is if someone in the VFL has earned a spot, like Houli. I leave it up to people that have seen the Bendigo match to make unbiased assumptions on whether Houli deserves a spot.
In my Dyson is clearly ahead of Nash and Jetta (and possibly Myers) in the coaches mind at the moment. The sooner people accept that the better.
Possible inclusions: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan
Smyth94
13 Apr 2009, 10:33
Absolute minimal changes this week.
IN: McVeigh, McPhee...and maybe Lonergan
OUT: Myers (give him a midfield role at Bendigo), Jetta (unfortunately gets squeezed out)
james_omahoney
13 Apr 2009, 10:43
Absolute minimal changes this week.
IN: McVeigh, McPhee...and maybe Lonergan
OUT: Myers (give him a midfield role at Bendigo), Jetta (unfortunately gets squeezed out)
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High Ryder
13 Apr 2009, 10:47
INs are obvious, Mcphee and Mcveigh
OUTS: Myers and Nash...
Both very stiff but i disagree with people calling for Jetta's omission. He added something to the forward line. Him and Davey are a dangerous combo up front. He did have a couple of crucial fumbles but i still think his defensive side warrants him getting another gme.
Nash is the stiffest player but did turn it over too many times for my liking. His decision making is still rather poor.
Who comes in and goes out may come down to who would be better suited to playing against the Roos. Thye have some tall guys who can play up foward and potentially 3 ruckmen in McIntosh, Hale and Petrie, plus small fowards in Campbell and Thomas.
McVeigh and McPhee are shoe ins to come into the side, so that's at least two changes
Then there is the possibilty of Quinn, Houli, Lonergan coming in. Personally, I would leave Lonergan out another week, unless he is definetly fully fit to play.
McPhee should take a half foward role so that may mean Jetta may go out. However, I think having Jetta in the side, as someone else said, helps Davey out alot as he can get up the ground a bit more and balance out our foward line. Plus, I didn't think Jetta was that bad against Carlton except for taking that long shot from 50+ out and stuffing up the kick. But, would still like him to play better.
McVeigh could play in the midfield or maybe play majority at half back for his first game.
I don't see Knights taking Dyson out of the side, but I would take him out.
Myers I think should get some midifeld game time with Bendigo. He wasn't terrible, just think he could get more footy playing for Bendigo and give him a boost.
Plus do you take out two backmen in Nash and Myers for a foward in McPhee and midfielder in McVeigh?
Nash didn't play a horrible game, but McPhee and McVeigh are just so much better.
What I would like to see:
INS: McPhee, McVeigh, Houli
OUTS: Myers, Nash, Dyson
What could potentially happen:
INS: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUTS: Myers, Nash, Jetta
definitely need to knock dyson out of the senior team.
Absolutely useless and weak for a player who has been at the club for the best part of 5 years. No heart whatsoever when games are hang in the balance and definitely nowhere to be sighted. Just making up the numbers while some of our best 22 are out injured.
With winders back in full flight, would like to hope that dyson will be playing his final season in the red and black.
All i hope is bellchambers can bring it to the table to help validate offloading laycock also and i'll be content for 2010.
Feels a lot like 1993 when i felt the same about flood and somerville.
Nash doesn't seem to have much apart from a good long kick either. He doesn't appear to have improved either. Spare parts player with no sense of ownership for a position in our best 22.
finally someone can actually see that dyson and laycock are no good! Youve hit the nail on the head there everlast also agree with the other stuff too. Good work!
Smyth94
13 Apr 2009, 11:56
finally someone can actually see that dyson and laycock are no good! Youve hit the nail on the head there everlast also agree with the other stuff too. Good work!
I've watched the game a few times now and Dyson was far from bad. He made a couple of errors (the usual Dyson errors) but his last quarter was superb, was cool under pressure, stood up in pressure and hit his targets.
Definitely improving.
Knight Ryders
13 Apr 2009, 11:56
Am I wrong in saying that Dyson did a job on Gibbs in the first half? If that is the case, he did a very good job and should play next week.
Probable Outs: Jetta, Nash
Probable Ins: McVeigh, McPhee
cAsEy_18
13 Apr 2009, 12:20
IN: McPhee McVeigh
OUT: Myers ??
Think these 2 have to come in. Myers needs to go out, just looks a bit out of it at the moment, and i want to see him dominate at Bendigo for a bit. The other one, well people would think it has to be Nash/Dyson/Jetta. I believe they all have their case for being in the side. Nash's skills are vital to the team, and i struggle to see how people say his skills are poor. His left foot kick that hit Stanton about 40 out in the last quarter was classic Nash. Dyson was far from poor. He's not going to be a gun, and i think we can all accept that, but he's playing his part, he's doing his job, and he's improving on the things he previously hasn't done well (Remember the kick to Skipworth who handballed to Dempsey in the 2nd). I think dropping Dyson now would be the nail for him, it would be such a huge confidence blow for him after he's been doing alright. Jetta is probably the most likely to go from the team. However, i reckon he's vital to our team going forwards. He doesn't need to be the 20possession player that some want him to be, i'd love him to turn out like Eddie Betts, laying the tackles and pressure in the forward line, and crumbing 2-3 goals a game off of our key forwards.
After all that, i think all 3 might struggle to be in the side when Welsh, Reimers, Prismall are all fit, however knowing us we'll have another injury by then. In regards to this week though, i'm confident one of them will get dropped, i'm just not sure which.
been reading thru all this and far too many want to make changes just for the sake of change...if it aint broke don't fix it...
please do some research also - both lonergan and reimers will not be in line for selection this week. why would they risk them anyway when the team performed well?
from what i have seen and heard nobody deserves a promotion from the bendigo team over the current senior players. the first bloke dropped will be jetta as he was brought into replace mcphee and hopefully kick a couple of goals - he failed to do that and went missing when a hard ball effort was required. back to the vfl for leroy.
the next player to drop for mcveigh is a little more difficult - nash is the obvious one but do they remain team balance (like for like) by dropping a midfielder which would mean dyson. dyson has been handy and could be in the mix to get the tagging job on harvey so i think he'll stay in.
mcphee and mcveigh certain inclusions - only other bloke to come under consideration would be quinn. however it would come down to him or myers - given north's likely forwardline setup i feel myers will retain his place as he looks a decent matchup for corey jones.
personally i'd like some stability in the side particularly in defence so i'd stick with the current back 6 - daniher, pears, h.slattery, myers, fletcher, dempsey for the time being.
in: mcveigh, mcphee
out: jetta, nash
warney7
13 Apr 2009, 14:14
in: mcveigh, mcphee
out: jetta, nash
Spot on! :thumbsu:
Big Blow Hard
13 Apr 2009, 14:43
INs are obvious, Mcphee and Mcveigh
OUTS: Myers and Nash...
Both very stiff but i disagree with people calling for Jetta's omission. He added something to the forward line. Him and Davey are a dangerous combo up front. He did have a couple of crucial fumbles but i still think his defensive side warrants him getting another gme.
Nash is the stiffest player but did turn it over too many times for my liking. His decision making is still rather poor.
How many urnovers did he have? I see two clangers in the HUN stats, but otherwise his effectiveness was at 94%. I did not have a complete eye on the game due to being at a noisy, busy pub, but he looked to have done all right to me. And he seemed to be ok when I was able to get a view.
Dyson was far less effective, and has not been that great in past weeks really. I think Dyson and Myers or Jetta might get dropped, but it will come down to team balance I guess. Hille should be ok, and McPhee will come back. Are McVeigh and Lonergan ready yet?
upanddown
13 Apr 2009, 14:45
Spot on! :thumbsu:
Pretty spot on mate. I also believe Houli has a calf complaint
The Donners
13 Apr 2009, 16:18
Neagle and Bellchambers.
They can develop in the VFL, and really need performances to demand senior selection.
Agreed.
Ben the Gooner
13 Apr 2009, 16:22
IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta
I was at the North game, and their forwardline was abysmal, and their skills were worse than ours in the NAB Cup.
So Quinn to run like the wind with Dempsey, Daniher, Pears, Nash with him. Their forwardline isn't potent or structured enough to cope.
McPhee, Ryder, Lloyd and Lucas forward, hopefully forcing a mismatch of McMahon on one of them, and a subsequent reaming.
Myers, Dyson and Jetta were our three worst players on Saturday night.
Big Blow Hard
13 Apr 2009, 16:38
IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta
I was at the North game, and their forwardline was abysmal, and their skills were worse than ours in the NAB Cup.
So Quinn to run like the wind with Dempsey, Daniher, Pears, Nash with him. Their forwardline isn't potent or structured enough to cope.
McPhee, Ryder, Lloyd and Lucas forward, hopefully forcing a mismatch of McMahon on one of them, and a subsequent reaming.
Myers, Dyson and Jetta were our three worst players on Saturday night.
Quinn might be a good inclusion. Norths small forward have always troubled us. They seem to very good at scoring goals against us when the ball hits the deck near the goals. I see Thomas, Harvey and Campbell as the players who will trouble us most around goals. I don't see they have a key forward capable enough of kicking a bag.
Ben the Gooner
13 Apr 2009, 16:42
Quinn might be a good inclusion. Norths small forward have always troubled us. They seem to very good at scoring goals against us when the ball hits the deck near the goals. I see Thomas, Harvey and Campbell as the players who will trouble us most around goals. I don't see they have a key forward capable enough of kicking a bag.
Josh Smith tried his guts out yesterday, but didn't do much. Hale is injured. Edwards suspended. Tarrant has 0 AFL games to his name.
Pears will have to play small, and we need to counterattack Thomas and Campbell, as well as a hard tag from Slats on Harvey. If we can tag (or counterattack) two of Thomas, Campbell, Harvey and Wells out of the game, we should win. Three and we will. All four, and 55 points looks good.
IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta
I was at the North game, and their forwardline was abysmal, and their skills were worse than ours in the NAB Cup.
Is it even possible to have skills worse than ours in the NAB Cup? We looked very rusty at times in the NAB, and North are usually pretty well drilled, they must have had a bad day.
Anyway, I agree with those changes. Quinn for Myers is a straight swap at HBF, and while Quinn is still developing and will make some errors he does the team things and has great pace. Jetta was inconsistent again and the only quarter I liked from him was the first, McPhee can come in for him and we can go taller. Between Davey, Monfries and Skipworth I think we have enough small forwards who can play midfield, even if they don't play as crumbers like Jetta.
McVeigh for Dyson is kind of unlucky for Dyson actually, while Dyson made some mistakes he actually did some good things and kept his cool in some pressure spots. Having said that he and Zaharakis both played ordinary games, and you keep the kid with less experience and more potential in as you would expect Dyson to perform much better than a 2nd gamer.
Big Blow Hard
13 Apr 2009, 16:49
Josh Smith tried his guts out yesterday, but didn't do much. Hale is injured. Edwards suspended. Tarrant has 0 AFL games to his name.
Pears will have to play small, and we need to counterattack Thomas and Campbell, as well as a hard tag from Slats on Harvey. If we can tag (or counterattack) two of Thomas, Campbell, Harvey and Wells out of the game, we should win. Three and we will. All four, and 55 points looks good.
Any chance we could see Tyson Slattery or Hooker promoted. Sound like they were good this weekend. Though I don't think we need to tinker too much with the side. They should get their chances at some stage.
Ben the Gooner
13 Apr 2009, 16:56
Any chance we could see Tyson Slattery or Hooker promoted. Sound like they were good this weekend. Though I don't think we need to tinker too much with the side. They should get their chances at some stage.
I'd say no to Hooker, given North's lack of tall forwards.
Slats Jr is a chance if we decide to go defensive on Campbell and Thomas, but I'd rather see Quinn and Dempsey given the job.
danzan22
13 Apr 2009, 17:22
I'd say no to Hooker, given North's lack of tall forwards.
Slats Jr is a chance if we decide to go defensive on Campbell and Thomas, but I'd rather see Quinn and Dempsey given the job.
Seeing as they only have petrie up foward could we see one of Pears or Daniher dropped for strategic reasons? Last year against coll we saw the disastrous effects of having to many talls in the backline.
Seeing as they only have petrie up foward could we see one of Pears or Daniher dropped for strategic reasons? Last year against coll we saw the disastrous effects of having to many talls in the backline.
unlike courtney johns, daniher is fairly mobile around the ground so we shouldn't see a repeat of that coll game. norths forward-line won't be that small IMO. hale is reported as only having concussion so you could not completely rule him out although with such a hard knock he is unlikely. if hale does go out then they might bring in shannon watt who played forward for them in pre-season.
i see their line-up and our match-ups looking like:
campbell - dempsey
hale/watt - fletcher
josh smith - daniher
thomas - slattery
petrie - pears
c.jones - myers
other defensive matchups:
b.harvey - dyson
d.wells - winderlich
in the last practice match of the year harvey and wells cut essendon up - i'd say both of these guys will cop a tag. mcveigh, stanton and watson to go head to head with their opponents (rawlings, simpson, swallow).
lemon chicken
13 Apr 2009, 21:28
Any chance we could see Tyson Slattery or Hooker promoted. Sound like they were good this weekend. Though I don't think we need to tinker too much with the side. They should get their chances at some stage.
I wouldnt expect to see Slattery this year unless we get destroyed by injuries. He's a talent but doesnt have a build yet. For some reason he was matched up to Brad Fisher in the last qtr on Sunday and had trouble with him.
High Ryder
13 Apr 2009, 22:30
Slaterry may get a game this year because we struggle with small forwards.
please do some research also - both lonergan and reimers will not be in line for selection this week. why would they risk them anyway when the team performed well?
You may want to 'research' Knights after match press conference...
You may want to 'research' Knights after match press conference...
not sure what knights said but having been at training last week i'd be surprised if he (longergan) came up. his hand was bandaged and he wasn't handling the ball at all with the injured hand taking one handed marks etc. i don't see the need to rush him back - hocking is playing the same role ok in midfield for at least one more week.
i might be at training tomorrow to see the improvement but if i were knights and the situation was:
(a) lonergan on tuesday 7th april unable to even handle a footy
(b) lonergan on tuesday 14th april back in full training for the first time since injury
i'd take the conservative approach giving him an extra week (exactly what he did with mcveigh) - there is no need to rush so early in the season. i'm quite pleased with the depth we are producing to cover players so happy with a conservative approach to manage players thoughout the season.
(b) lonergan on tuesday 14th april back in full training for the first time since injury
Fletch said on SEN that McVeigh, McPhee and Lonergan would return this week and they (those three) had an intensive training session sunday morning.
Also, Hocking currently plays a tagging role, he can get in and under and is improving, but he doesn't play the same role Lonergan does.
So assuming Lonergan is coming back with McVeigh and McPhee, my new changes would be:
IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Lonergan
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta
Fletch said on SEN that McVeigh, McPhee and Lonergan would return this week and they (those three) had an intensive training session sunday morning.
Also, Hocking currently plays a tagging role, he can get in and under and is improving, but he doesn't play the same role Lonergan does.
both lonergan and hocking play midfield so quite similar in most aspects...no doubt dyson would be the one dropped for lonergan but hocking has actually taken lonergan's role (its not like dyson has been spending a lot of time in the middle where lonergan would have been).
ultimately dyson and hocking were always going to have to make way for more talented players like reimers, welsh, prismall and to a lesser extent lonergan when those guys are ready to return. i'm looking forward to when this happens as pressure for spots in the side will be intense and our depth looking good.
i still believe that they should give lonergan an extra week before bringing him in only in the interests of protecting him - after all it was a small fracture so you don't want it re-injured.
if all three do come in (mcphee, mcveigh, lonergan) then i'd have it:
out: jetta, nash, dyson
i'd give myers another week - unlike nash, myers doesn't mind a hard ball which will be critical against a back to the wall north melbourne side. myers despite being younger appears more physically capable of handling body on body contact than nash. that may be more a mental issue for nash however though...am i nash fan? not really - he's squibbed it too many times for my liking and he doesn't make up for it with electrifying pace and skill like some others do.
No Houli for another week :(
No Houli for another week :(
the coach is making him work harder and really earn a spot. houli will ultimately be a better player for it. short term pain for long term gain.
houli's another one to add to pressure for spots - imagine when/if dyson, watson, stanton, monfries, jetta, winderlich, prismall, mcveigh, zaharakis, welsh, lovett, lonergan, dempsey, nash, skipworth, myers, davey, reimers, hocking, houli are all fit and playing well. there's probably 11-12 spots in the side (2 defence, 2 forwards, 5 midfielders, 2-3 bench) and we'd have 20 players competing for them.
So assuming Lonergan is coming back with McVeigh and McPhee, my new changes would be:
IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Lonergan
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta
These would be my changes too, Myers has now had back to back bad games so I think it's his time to go back to VFL, Jetta's ball handeling skills were well below par and although Dyson did improve he is the worst in the current mid group so he has go to to make room for McVeigh and Lonergan.
mark1881
14 Apr 2009, 09:39
IN: McVeigh, McPhee
OUT: Jetta, Dyson
Lonergan can have another week to ensure his hand is fully recovered. Essendon have been conservative with injured players all year and they should continue with that way of thinking.
AndyLesPaul
14 Apr 2009, 09:40
Ins: McPhee, McVeigh, Lonergan (all in our best 22.)
Outs: Myers, Dyson, Jetta(played decently but not enough to keep his spot)
table tennis
14 Apr 2009, 09:45
I dont see a need to make wholesale changes. Lonners can have a run with Bendigo, it wont do him any harm, his form wasnt exactly scintilating in the preseason, so he can gather some possesions and match fitness down there.
Myers to gather some ball too in the magoos.
Jetta stiff, defensive pressure was fantastic on Saturday. Had McPhee not played a pretty good game against Freo two weeks ago, i suspect he too might have to come back through Bendigo......
In: Spike & McPhee
Out: Myers & Jetta
For the first time in a long time, our squad has some depth. We might be a star or two short, however, we have a side that has to be extremely competitve for their spots in the team, which will lead to players performing better more often.
Ricky Dysons start to the year, IMO warrants him at least another game. He is fighting for his spot on the list. So far he has been improved on years before, and before we hang him, we should see what he is worth. Especially since form warrants.....
hird+lloyd=legends
14 Apr 2009, 13:42
I also think we should give Lonergan another week on the sidelines, just so we can be sure that his hand is right.
We only need the 2 changes.
Ins: McVeigh & McPhee.
Out: Myers & Jetta.
Hirdman
14 Apr 2009, 15:21
Two changes would be more than enough for a team that put in a wonderful effort on the weekend. Personally I believe that Nash and Myers are the weekest links. Although they play the same position, so Leeroy has to go for me, I love Leeroy in the side but he is just not offering enough. Give Myers one more chance.
Out - Nash and Jetta
In - McVeigh and McPhee
Lonergan to come through the magoos if fit and apologies to Quinn.
warney7
14 Apr 2009, 23:43
Actually, I've decided that maybe an extra change is required.
I worry about the let down after last week and with such a young side, maybe bringing in McVeigh, McPhee and Lonergan could help to offset any down games experienced by some of the younger brigade (Pears, Dempsey, Daniher, Hocking etc)
Then again, if Lonergan's hand isn't 100% then it would be stupid to play him.
ghostdog
15 Apr 2009, 10:36
I just realised... I reckon Leroy might be afraid of his hammy... didn't it go on him last year? Someone needs to talk to him.
AndyLesPaul
15 Apr 2009, 12:07
Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)
In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.
Skipworth out?
lol. just because someone has to go doesnt mean you can choose a player that has been consistent just to bring houli in?
I reckon myers for houli if you wanted it that way.
Boucks09
15 Apr 2009, 12:12
Jetta's hammy was very early in the year IIRC.
I too would like to keep the changes to a minimum given that we performed so well as a unit last week. However some cases are impossible to ignore.
McVeigh and McPhee must play and will. Quinn was only dropped at the last minute due to the flu/gastro so is a strong chance. Lonergan will play with Bendigo. We also can't ignore the form of NLM and Houli in the 2's for much longer.
Ins: McVeigh, McPhee
Outs: Myers, Jetta
Then it's a toss up between Quinn, Houli and Nash for the last spot.
Valve Bounce
15 Apr 2009, 13:58
discuss
ok!!
Valve Bounce
15 Apr 2009, 14:01
Skipworth out?
lol. just because someone has to go doesnt mean you can choose a player that has been consistent just to bring houli in?
I reckon myers for houli if you wanted it that way.
Wasn't it funny how Sam Newman made fun of the fact that Knights chose Skipworth, and put him in the team. I think that this guy is a helluva lot better than most people expected him to be.
Tell you what - and fingers crossed - we have not been in a position like this since I can't remember when. We have good players being displaced from the team by guys coming back from injury. We used to have to rob the Bendigo Bombers for players every week. :(
AndyLesPaul
15 Apr 2009, 15:15
Wasn't it funny how Sam Newman made fun of the fact that Knights chose Skipworth, and put him in the team. I think that this guy is a helluva lot better than most people expected him to be.
Tell you what - and fingers crossed - we have not been in a position like this since I can't remember when. We have good players being displaced from the team by guys coming back from injury. We used to have to rob the Bendigo Bombers for players every week. :(
Notably during the last game, against St Kilda, which we logically lost by around 90 points in.