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ghostdog
12 Apr 2009, 10:52
Interesting stat.
On GameDay just now, Jobe was shown to be in the top three clearance winners on average per game from 2006 to now, with only Sam Mitchell and Simon Black ahead of him.
What does he need to do to be top?
ChelseaFC
12 Apr 2009, 10:58
Interesting stat.
On GameDay just now, Jobe was shown to be in the top three clearance winners on average per game from 2006 to now, with only Sam Mitchell and Simon Black ahead of him.
What does he need to do to be top?
Can't really catch Mitchell, he is playing in a premiership team. Hille only started to peak last year and that could be the difference in the watson/hille combination which is working to our excelent benifit. Simon Black has slowed down this year and im sure Watson will catch him.
Watson has been superb this year, his handling and effectivness have really risen so far.
Seriously, dont you guys ever wander why on earth nobody other than Essendon fans rate Watson?
Let's hope they continue to not rate him ;)
Tre Bones
12 Apr 2009, 11:02
I actually think Jobe is probably our most important player. I think he doesn't get rated as an A grader because these days the midfielders are the glamour boys and he doesn't have the flair of a Judd, Ablett etc
bombersrbest05
12 Apr 2009, 12:17
I remember a commentator last year saying that for the amount of minutes he plays compared to these other two players he was the best clearance player, last year Jobes fitness was down and didnt get as much game time ut now he is really something
stay true
12 Apr 2009, 14:11
Not surprised at all by that stat. Soo composed when he gets it too. Very, very important player.
hateitorlovett13
12 Apr 2009, 14:46
I remember one stat in '06 at some stage which said that Jobe averaged something like 27 possessions over a certain period of time- cant be too specific coz i cant remember too well- but that was with under 70% game time. The journalist said that he would be averaging 35+ possessions had he played over 90% game time during that period.
Even Sheedy didn't rate him, but I think from watching him against Carlton he actually seemed to show signs of that elite potential he has. The inability of opposition players to tackle guys like Judd and Ablett was present for Watson on quite a few occasions, and he seemed to take his time to sum up the options rather than just panicking. Looked like he had all the time in the world, and for a bloke who isn't at all quick I think that's something pretty special.
Hopefully he can just continue to improve, his skills have done so out of sight in recent times. Very very important player for us, and doesn't seem to get injured either.
Sir James
12 Apr 2009, 15:24
I didn't rate Watson for a long time, But he has proved me wrong.
His disposal by foot has gone up heaps.
Great footy brain and great hands, well done Jobe:thumbsu:
FullFathom5
12 Apr 2009, 20:51
B&F for Jobe in 2009!
WatchWatson
12 Apr 2009, 21:07
As you can tell from my user name i rate Jobe highly. I see so much of Greg Williams in him with his amazing hand pass ability and composure under pressure. Without him i feel we would struggle to get our hands on the ball in the centre, not only do he and Hill work together amazingly but he has the ability to read the other ruck-man as well, and now he seems to have added kicking to his list of talents, still improvement there but is now using the ball by foot so much better. If he can add kicking goals to that we will have a serious weapon on our hands. Don't forget, with the injuries we have this year Jobe has been getting the tag and is still tearing it up. Maybe our next captain?
Dunn - Well Done
13 Apr 2009, 01:08
i loved his impacts on the games now. When hes off we struggle, when hes in their winning contested clearances we do well. I saw the stat and hes always been a very good in and under contested player. If he has skills and pace he would be as good as it gets. I think he only had 22 posses against blues but they seemed more quality and at important times making him have a larger impact on the game.
bomberstomake8
13 Apr 2009, 11:51
i loved his impacts on the games now. When hes off we struggle, when hes in their winning contested clearances we do well. I saw the stat and hes always been a very good in and under contested player. If he has skills and pace he would be as good as it gets. I think he only had 22 posses against blues but they seemed more quality and at important times making him have a larger impact on the game.
jobe is the most important player in our side, it really showed against the blues. the first quarter he only had one possession and we got absolutely belted, he rebounded in the second quarter to get 8 disposals and we were right back in the game. i really hope he stays injury free
windyhill
13 Apr 2009, 11:55
There was never any problem with him finding it. Elite.
There was never any problem with his hands. Elite.
His kicking has come on so well and it is so obvious that he has worked on his only glaring weakness. He`s now elite in my eyes. (A few more goals would be good, his left foot snap on Sat.nigt was brilliant.) Long live the father son rule !
Slattery_20
13 Apr 2009, 14:49
I thought he got wrapped up in a tackle V Carlton, until I saw the guy (Lovett maybe) sprinting away with the ball that Jobe had handballed between the tackler's legs. Freak.
It staggers me that I still (STILL!!!!) get into debates with our supporters at the footy and elsewhere who STILL believe him to be a liability to us. I have argued for several years that I can see some Jimmy in Jobe.
Now, let me explain that. I was always amazed at how JH was NEVER flustered or caught in a pack and he would eventually get it out to a teammate who may be meters away and not the obvious one - his vision and coolness was unbelievable. I reckon Jobe's got that talent as well and will become even more vital as we hone the running game and our players get better at running laterally to the packs and taking the ball from JW.
And before anyone jumps on me - I DID NOT say JW is as good as JH (yet ;))
Houli to Neagle
14 Apr 2009, 15:03
Jobe should be made Captain next year.
Lloyd has done a fantastic job thus far and will continue to do so this year.
I think with our young group we need a leader, who plays in the middle and wins his own ball, in and under, showing the younger guys how to do it.
Lloyd should step back next year and focus more on devaloping Neagle and Gumby vs the whole team.
Less pressure on him to perform etc...
I think it would be a win - win.
Lloyd is and always will be a Champion player, he doesn't need to be captain to prove that...
Jobe for Captain 2010 :thumbsu:
Colin D'Cops
14 Apr 2009, 17:07
The inability of opposition players to tackle guys like Judd and Ablett was present for Watson on quite a few occasions, and he seemed to take his time to sum up the options rather than just panicking. Looked like he had all the time in the world, and for a bloke who isn't at all quick I think that's something pretty special.
Hopefully he can just continue to improve, his skills have done so out of sight in recent times. Very very important player for us, and doesn't seem to get injured either.
He has lifted another level has Watson. As HIOLI said above, he seemed to have a lot of time on his hands against Carlton and used the ball very well. Took his time to size up his options and quite often he made the correct decision. He does get knocked around a fair bit, goes off with a few aches and pains each match; But rarely gets seriously injured.
He is a very, very important player for us now. He does the bulk of our clearance work and he makes the Houli's of our team look good. You need your in and unders just as much as you need your exciting outside recievers. No doubt.
Hopefully he can kick on ever further as the year progresses and we hear his name in the same breath with the likes of Mitchell & Priddis.
theboxmike
14 Apr 2009, 17:08
Jobe should be made Captain next year.
Lloyd has done a fantastic job thus far and will continue to do so this year.
I think with our young group we need a leader, who plays in the middle and wins his own ball, in and under, showing the younger guys how to do it.
Lloyd should step back next year and focus more on devaloping Neagle and Gumby vs the whole team.
Less pressure on him to perform etc...
I think it would be a win - win.
Lloyd is and always will be a Champion player, he doesn't need to be captain to prove that...
Jobe for Captain 2010 :thumbsu:I concur :thumbsu:
AndyLesPaul
14 Apr 2009, 17:17
Jobe should be made Captain next year.
Lloyd has done a fantastic job thus far and will continue to do so this year.
I think with our young group we need a leader, who plays in the middle and wins his own ball, in and under, showing the younger guys how to do it.
Lloyd should step back next year and focus more on devaloping Neagle and Gumby vs the whole team.
Less pressure on him to perform etc...
I think it would be a win - win.
Lloyd is and always will be a Champion player, he doesn't need to be captain to prove that...
Jobe for Captain 2010 :thumbsu:
Well.
I mean
McVeigh is almost surely next in line for the Leadership.
glen ferry
14 Apr 2009, 17:19
He was great the other night. Has so much time with the ball. Very very good player.
Ben the Gooner
14 Apr 2009, 19:42
i loved his impacts on the games now. When hes off we struggle, when hes in their winning contested clearances we do well. I saw the stat and hes always been a very good in and under contested player. If he has skills and pace he would be as good as it gets. I think he only had 22 posses against blues but they seemed more quality and at important times making him have a larger impact on the game.
That's what you'll say until we lose a game. Then he goes back to being a hack.
Boucks09
14 Apr 2009, 20:21
I think he is a much better player than Priddis. Jobe wins a lot of clearances and his efficiency rating would be higher.
McVeigh is the next captain, but Jobe is certainly an important part of the leadership at Essendon. Amazing that he has played the same amount of games as Monfries.
Colin D'Cops
14 Apr 2009, 20:32
I think he is a much better player than Priddis. Jobe wins a lot of clearances and his efficiency rating would be higher..
You're probably right. I must of spoke from a Dream Team point of view there. :p
Boucks09
14 Apr 2009, 20:38
Would be Dream Team because Supercoach he doesn't get as much :)
Colin D'Cops
14 Apr 2009, 22:45
Would be Dream Team because Supercoach he doesn't get as much :)
Spot on Bucks, nice to see you're on the ball.
Jobe Watson = Reliable
Jobe Watson = Liable
I think the first one makes the most sense. Jobe Watson is a gun player and if he can slightly improve his kicking then he will be highly regarded among everyone. I rate him, some don't that is just the way it is.
Sir James
15 Apr 2009, 17:21
Jobe Watson = Reliable
Jobe Watson = Liable
I think the first one makes the most sense. Jobe Watson is a gun player and if he can slightly improve his kicking then he will be highly regarded among everyone. I rate him, some don't that is just the way it is.
His kicking has improved......pretty sure he hit most targets and his left foot snap at goal:eek:
Seen him at training last season going though his kicking drills seems to have paid off:thumbsu:
cooper6
15 Apr 2009, 17:54
jobe is the most important player in our side
surely hille is more important than watson. watson is a very good player but is far more dispensable than hille.
His kicking has improved......pretty sure he hit most targets and his left foot snap at goal:eek:
Seen him at training last season going though his kicking drills seems to have paid off:thumbsu:He had a 95% kicking efficiency on the weekend. He and Stanton have both improved their kicking this year; great to see!
Longy413
15 Apr 2009, 21:12
surely hille is more important than watson. watson is a very good player but is far more dispensable than hille.
David Hille's season thus far has been sub-standard. He had a par performance on Saturday night but was beaten in the hit outs.
Jobe Watson playing well when he is getting little help from our ruckmen is an indication of exactly how important he is.
David Hille is highly important, but Hille playing well just makes Jobe's job easier.
Hille's importance is also magnified because of a lack of depth in that position, it's only because of that (IMO) that Hille remains more important than Jobe.
Davey is in that group as well.
SirJimi05
16 Apr 2009, 12:16
Too slow, not fit enough, butches the ball every time he gets it, terrible kick for goal.
ghostdog
16 Apr 2009, 12:18
Too slow, not fit enough, butches the ball every time he gets it, terrible kick for goal.
No he doesn't.
Left foot snap for goal against Carlton last week.
Ben the Gooner
16 Apr 2009, 12:28
Anyone can hit a handball target from 2m, loses handball accuracy when he goes too far, only good cos Hille wins the taps, has no influence on the game, unaccountable, his man does more damage than he does.
DELIST!
Andre 2000
16 Apr 2009, 12:38
Too tall for a midfielder.
Too small for a KPP.
Too slow for an on-baller.
Too many handballs.
Too unaccountable.
Too ineffective on big grounds.
Too many teeth for Collingwood.
Too good for Carlton.
Just good enough for a Crichton.
ghostdog
16 Apr 2009, 12:48
Anyone can hit a handball target from 2m, loses handball accuracy when he goes too far, only good cos Hille wins the taps, has no influence on the game, unaccountable, his man does more damage than he does.
DELIST!
Lol! That's hilarious! :D We are talking about Jobe right?
Ben the Gooner
16 Apr 2009, 12:57
Lol! That's hilarious! :D We are talking about Jobe right?
Yeah, he can't play on the big grounds at all.
Face it mate, he's average. Anyone can handball.
SirJimi05
16 Apr 2009, 12:58
No he doesn't.
Left foot snap for goal against Carlton last week.
Only gets a game because he is SO32.
I agree with Gooner,could be time to delist if he doesnt improve dramatically.
SirJimi05
16 Apr 2009, 13:00
Would love to see his kicking efficiency.
Could almost guarantee that he will be inthe bottom 1% in the league!
And i dont like the way he walks. Looks too much like his old man (the watson who could play) the way his head moves up and down.
Ben the Gooner
16 Apr 2009, 13:07
We need players who can perform on the big stage.
He's never even won an ANZAC medal.
Delist the unco bastard now.
ghostdog
16 Apr 2009, 13:09
Yeah, he can't play on the big grounds at all.
Face it mate, he's average. Anyone can handball.
I feel like I'm getting a total wind up here. I usually don't buy into this devil's advocate rubbish but you've got a bite out of me now.
Maybe he does only handball a couple of metres mostly, but when you play in and under as he does it's often that two metre handball that buys the recipient two metres of space from their opposition. The quality of Jobe's handballs and the speed with which he delivers them is terrific. Add to that the improvement he's shown since last season and the season before, and perhaps those long incisive handballs are an aspect of his game that he should work on, but to claim he should be delisted is just dopey. Hocking would be delisted before Jobe.
As for getting to play simply because he's SO32, I would have thought it would be more a case of being considered because of his pedigree and the environment he was nurtured in, the culture, not just because he's SO32, which is a simplistic argument at best.
I can't believe I just fell for the devil's advocate! :mad: You bastards!
BTW BtG, I wanna play Hangar Music Wars please. How do I get on?
Ben the Gooner
16 Apr 2009, 13:10
My prospectus says his kicking efficiency went down 12% last year.
60% kicking efficiency (bearing in mind that kicks to contests can be "effective" regardless of who wins the ball) is embarrassing to the club.
If only he inherited 1% of his dad's talent.
Ben the Gooner
16 Apr 2009, 13:11
I feel like I'm getting a total wind up here.
Ding ding ding!
Jobe is possibly the most under-rated player in the comp, and would walk into any side.
Andre 2000
16 Apr 2009, 13:32
If anyone still has genuine concerns over Jobe's kicking then..
According to Champion Data...
"despite a perception he is a poor kick his efficiency of 77% was the AFL average for a midfielder in 2006."
Outside mids boost that average. So for an inside mid that's pretty decent. And most people would agree he's a better kick now.
Jobe was never a poor kick or even below average. Ever.
Neither was Stanton. They were prone to the occasional clanger, but not nearly as many as some people would like to believe.
Palmer, on the other hand.. is the official No.1 clanger king of the AFL! Congrats Rhys!
Jobe is really underrated, he is one of the best in and under mids in the league.
SirJimi05
16 Apr 2009, 18:01
Ding ding ding!
Jobe is possibly the most under-rated player in the comp, and would walk into any side.
Hehe I thought our sarcasm was blatent.
I concur with the above statement.
I just hope the same people that have made a habit out of bagging Jobe do not go back to their old ways once we start to lose a few games and or if his form drops off a bit.
I remmber saying in early 2006 that he will be our next skipper and i reckon he is a a strong chance.
SirJimi05
16 Apr 2009, 18:08
If anyone still has genuine concerns over Jobe's kicking then..
According to Champion Data...
"despite a perception he is a poor kick his efficiency of 77% was the AFL average for a midfielder in 2006."
Outside mids boost that average. So for an inside mid that's pretty decent. And most people would agree he's a better kick now.
Jobe was never a poor kick or even below average. Ever.
Absolutely on the money here mate.
I have always, i repeat always maintained that Jobe Watson is not a bad kick of the football. Even back in his early days. The problem is that when he does a bad kick he can really do a bad kick and this is what people tend to remember. But more often than not he actualy does hit his target an is quite accompished. We should also factor in that a lot of the time he is under imense pressure when kicking due to the fact that he is getting a lot of hard ball and clearances.
I think we can also safely say that his rating of 77% from 2006 would be a fair bit higher these days. Does anyone have the %?
I asked our Carlton friends to provide his kicking efficiency % from 2008/09 when they started going on about what a terrible kick he is but they all went missing from the thread after this. :o
Ben the Gooner
16 Apr 2009, 18:30
Disposal efficiency of 72.1%, but a kicking efficiency of 60.8%
windyhill
19 Apr 2009, 20:42
There was never any problem with him finding it. Elite.
There was never any problem with his hands. Elite.
His kicking has come on so well and it is so obvious that he has worked on his only glaring weakness. He`s now elite in my eyes. (A few more goals would be good, his left foot snap on Sat.nigt was brilliant.) Long live the father son rule !
Took a major step back today.
Ben the Gooner
19 Apr 2009, 20:50
As I said on the main board, there's only two things that can be taken out of this game:
Injuries and the four points
We got ****ed over in both, and that's what makes it disappointing.
I don't think you can read much into performances, or form, from this.