Ins & Outs vs Collingwood.

[BomberAce7]

Ins - Lonergan, Myers, Jetta, Hocking.
Outs - Skipwoth(Inj), McPhee, Nash, Quinn (All Omitted).

[cAsEy_18]

IN: Lonergan Hocking (Both if fit) Jetta
OUT: Lucas Nash Skipworth(inj)

Haven't really sat down and thought about this, so might be a couple more, but i think these need to happen.

EDIT: Quinn has to go as well. Not sure who i bring in, i like the kid, but it's just not his level just yet.

[OzBomber]

I don't think Quinn should be in the side. It's always nervy watching him play, you never know what to expect. I know he's just a kid in his 6th ever game, but we need someone who can be more consistent in their skills. He'll come good, just needs time in the VFL.

Lucas should go back to the VFL. Can not take a trick at the moment. Needs to get some kicks in the VFL to just get his confidence up.

[bacon buster]

never understood why these threads are posted right after a game (especially a loss), people can be a bit upset :p

my changes:

out: lucas, skipworth, quinn
in: lonergan, houli, neagle (or lovett murray, depending on form in ressies)

[GoDons]

Jetta has to come back for mine.

Alwyn Davey's worked double overtime today, he needs some support.

Skipworth will obviously go with the hamstring, and I'd suggest the spots of Nash and Quinn would be hanging by a thread.

Hocking to come back if he's fit, Lonergan, Lovett-Murray and Myers the others to be around the mark.

[ghostdog]

Ins - Lonergan, Myers, Jetta, Hocking.
Outs - Skipwoth(Inj), McPhee, Nash, Quinn (All Omitted).

How do you justify Lucas staying in?

[EssendonPride]

Outs - Skipworth (inj), Nash, Quinn, Dyson
Ins - Lonergan, Myers (good game in the vfl), Hocking (if fit).
Last spot to Jetta or NLM, whoever wants it more.

Can't wait for Hurley to come back, Darcy made some costly mistakes. Looks like he'll be a player, but no excuses for not picking up your man after turning the ball over.

Nash and Dyson - Nothing needs to be said.
Quinn - From all reports, he's hungry. He'll know he had a bad game, send him to the VFL and he'll be as eager as anyone to work on his flaws.

McPhee dropped some simple marks, but he won't be dropped. We need targets. Was among our best in the first couple of games.

Lloydy would have had a field day if we had some decent disposal.

[Bombers1234]

Out: Quinn, Nash, Skipworth,

In: Houli, Jetta, Hocking/Lonergan/Myers

McPhee is not doing himself any favours by dropping simple marks which results in turnovers.

Lucas is a champ, but if he doesn't start kicking goals, i don't see the point of playing him when we could be playing Neagle, Still or Hooker.

[kelvin_sheedy]

Meh... I havent' seen the game and I've just checked the results but I'll take a stab at it anyway. You dont' have to be a rocket scientist to work out who are the worst:

Outs: Dyson, Nash, Quinn, Monfries
Ins: Lonergan, NLM, Houli, Jetta

[BomberAce7]

How do you justify Lucas staying in?

Cos he is important to our forward structure.

[Storyboy]

True, people can be upset, but I think today was just one of those days myself.
Out: McPhee, Skipworth (Inj-damnit), Monfries
In: Myers and then two of: Houli, Hocking & Lonergan depending on their week on the track.

[bombersno1]

Outs: Skipworth (injured, but I wanted him out anyway), Nash (plain rubbish), Dyson (6 years of plain rubbish), Quinn

In: Myers, Longergan, Jetta, Hocking

[Storyboy]

How do you justify Lucas staying in?

I think he is one good kick away from being as devastating as he ever used to be. That sort of talent should be persevered with in my opinion. In a big match like Anzac Day I think Lucas over Neagle at this stage.

[cAsEy_18]

Cos he is important to our forward structure.

Screw the structure if he's too slow to get off his man, his man just runs off him all the time setting up plays, he can't mark and he's lost his kicking. We just cannot have him in the side anymore unfortunately.

[bombersno1]

Meh... I havent' seen the game and I've just checked the results but I'll take a stab at it anyway. You dont' have to be a rocket scientist to work out who are the worst:

Outs: Dyson, Nash, Quinn, Monfries
Ins: Lonergan, NLM, Houli, Jetta

Monfries..huh? He was one of the few that was decent today. If anything we needed more efforts like him out there today. Watch the game first!

[Spikey]

I think he is one good kick away from being as devastating as he ever used to be. That sort of talent should be persevered with in my opinion. In a big match like Anzac Day I think Lucas over Neagle at this stage.

Remember Lucas hasn't played good on ANZAC day for ages....

[EssendonPride]

How do you justify Lucas staying in?

Lucas was far, far from our worst.
2 absolutely terrible shots for goal, but we still need him.

Who else is going to play his role? Ok, not even he's really playing his role at the moment, but who else is there?

Alot of people want McPhee and Lucas out. Neagles out of form/injured.
Are we meant to go in with a forward line of Lloyd and Ryder?

[ghostdog]

Cos he is important to our forward structure.

Yeah I agree, but if I could think of an adequate reshuffle, Lucas would be someone omitted. He needs to find some confidence and form.

[bombersno1]

Lucas was far, far from our worst.

Dyson and Nash were worse!

[quotemokc]

How can you want McPhee and Monfries out?

They are among our best players, McPhee clearly had a bad game and is better than that and Monfries is a small forward and the ball that was coming into our 50 today was horrendous.

[TimeIsRunningOut]

OUT: Dyson, Nash, Quinn & Skipworth.

The three in bold HAVE to be dropped.

[Jonesy1987]

Outs: Nash, Dyson, Lucas
Ins: Bellchambers, Myers, Lonergan

[ghostdog]

Lucas was far, far from our worst.
2 absolutely terrible shots for goal, but we still need him.

Who else is going to play his role? Ok, not even he's really playing his role at the moment, but who else is there?

Alot of people want McPhee and Lucas out. Neagles out of form/injured.
Are we meant to go in with a forward line of Lloyd and Ryder?

I don't know what our options are to be honest. My understanding is that Neagle has been terrible. pffft! Bellchambers??? F*** I don't know. I know that Lucas is very frustrating.

[bombersno1]

I'd be ommitting our whole midfield (McVeigh included) before I'd omit any of our forwards..and people critcised me for saying we are 2 A class midfielders away from making the 8..

[ghostdog]

Outs: Nash, Dyson, Lucas
Ins: Bellchambers, Myers, Lonergan

Jonesy, who would you replace Lucas with?

[HFF_07]

This is really random, and I may get shut down for this, but could we swing young Daniher forward, because Cale Hooker has been playing extremely well at CHB at Bendigo, and I thought that he could come in.

Jetta has to come in, he adds spark and something to our forward half, he may not get a heap of it, but when he does, he does something, chasing and tackling is one area though of concern.

Lonergan for Skipworth is an automatic switch I would of thought. so no rocket science their.

I think bellchambers has to come in, as Ryder is not that crash hot in the ruck, and we might as well give some game time to the young T-Bell.

As for outs. I dont know, and would only be going on what others are saying. so who ever.

OUTS: Skipworth (INJ), Quinn (OMM), Hocking (INJ), Nash/Dyson (OMM)
INS: Hooker, Myers, Jetta, Bellchambers (?)

NOTE: all ins/outs are made without seeing the game.

[ghostdog]

I'd be ommitting our whole midfield (McVeigh included) before I'd omit any of our forwards..and people critcised me for saying we are 2 A class midfielders away from making the 8..

I'd give the mids the benefit of the doubt today. I'm more concerned about these players who consistently turn in sub-standard performances or usually show they aren't up to it. Nash, McPhee, Lucas etc

Omitting the whole midfield is nonsense.

[bombersno1]

I'd give the mids the benefit of the doubt today. I'm more concerned about these players who consistently turn in sub-standard performances or usually show they aren't up to it. Nash, McPhee, Lucas etc

Omitting the whole midfield is nonsense.

You could have Buddy Franklin in our forward line and he would have done nothing as well. The midfield was smashed left right and centre. I am still filthy over not playing Myers for started, heck at least he would be better than Ricky "clanger" Dyson!:thumbsd:

[bomberz08]

outs:skipworth, quinn, dyson, nash
ins:lonergan, hocking, myers, jetta

as soon as neagle gets some form, he will replace lucas

[Jonesy1987]

Jonesy, who would you replace Lucas with?

IMO Play Ryder solely at CHF give him more responsibility, bring Belly in to help Hille, see what happens. O'Brien has destroyed him the last couple of times they have played on each other, Lucas needs to go back to Bendigo and destroy an opponent, let him get his 8 shots on goal and let him find his kick again, thought his field kicking up the ground was alright today but is a liability as a forward target.

Shit forgot Skippy was injured aswell, probably Jetta in.

[yodellinhank]

Myers just seems to be an automatic selection for some people. Its got me stumped. I didn't see the Bendigo game, but haven't heard a single report that he was anything special. He didn't really excite me too much in the senior footy he has played this season so far. Seems that some people just think he is some sort of messiah.

[BurnleyBomber]

I agree with Hooker coming in. He's earned it the last 2 weeks.

OUT: Skipworth, Nash, Dyson, Quinn

IN: Hooker, Hocking, Lonergan, Myers

[Enki]

This is really random, and I may get shut down for this, but could we swing young Daniher forward, because Cale Hooker has been playing extremely well at CHB at Bendigo, and I thought that he could come in.

It's not particularly random. Daniher did play as a forward at junior level and with Hooker having a few good games in the VFL it's entirely plausable that we could reshuffle our forward line using Daniher. On the other hand I believe Hooker played as a forward at junior level too so you could give him a game up forward and leave Daniher down back to continue learning.

The one thing I'd hope the coaching staff would be careful of is throwing young guy around to different positions too much. Some players aren't utilities that can move around poistions at will, and if you are trying to get them to learn a position and then move them around because of short term problems (injuries, lack of other player form etc.) it may inhibit their long term growth. But I'm sure the coaching staff know the players and won't Kepler anyone.

[Nuts4Bolts]

outs:skipworth, quinn, dyson, nash
ins:lonergan, hocking, myers, jetta

as soon as neagle gets some form, he will replace lucas

Neagle may be de-listed before he finds anything resembling form. Hocking is out for 2 weeks plus, isn't he?

[GoDons]

Why do we have to be so dramatic?

McPhee had a shocker, true. However, he was outstanding for the first two weeks. He'll pick up, you don't drop a proven performer after one bad game. I say that as no massive McPhee fan, in fact I'm not sure there'll be a spot for him in a couple of years, but right now he's going to be a much more consistent performer than a lot of our kids, and we need a few of those guys in the side.

Lucas has to be afforded another week. He was okay aginst the Blues, and with the more roomy MCG he'll give us a lot more. He needs to start showing a lot more, but definitely deserves another week.

Didn't think Dyson was our worst. Average, yes, but at this stage he's a solid enough option. I don't think he let us down that much today, or at least enough that it was noticable up against every one else.

I think Nash and Quinn are the two that are out of place, and are two that will have to be replaced. Their skill errors and lack of awareness in the back half is just too costly. I think Quinn will learn, but I'd rather he learnt at Bendigo for a stint.

[GoDons]

I agree with Hooker coming in. He's earned it the last 2 weeks.

OUT: Skipworth, Nash, Dyson, Quinn

IN: Hooker, Hocking, Lonergan, Myers

Hooker, Daniher, Pears, Fletcher and Myers in the back half isn't practical.

We overloaded with Johns last year on ANZAC Day, we sure as hell won't do that again.

Playing well for Bendigo is a positive for Cale, but we can't afford him in the side right now.

[KaaN10]

Ins: Lonergan, Houli, Myers, Hocking, Neagle(or jetta)
Outs: Dyson, Quinn, Nash, Skipworth, Lucas

[larson]

Out: Skipworth(inj), Quinn, Nash

In: Hocking, Lonergan, Houli

[HFF_07]

It's not particularly random. Daniher did play as a forward at junior level and with Hooker having a few good games in the VFL it's entirely plausable that we could reshuffle our forward line using Daniher. On the other hand I believe Hooker played as a forward at junior level too so you could give him a game up forward and leave Daniher down back to continue learning.

The one thing I'd hope the coaching staff would be careful of is throwing young guy around to different positions too much. Some players aren't utilities that can move around poistions at will, and if you are trying to get them to learn a position and then move them around because of short term problems (injuries, lack of other player form etc.) it may inhibit their long term growth. But I'm sure the coaching staff know the players and won't Kepler anyone.

I would of thought you would play Hooker in Defence where he has been playing well in the magoos, I would have thought that Mcphee is an integral part of our side, I have never ever thought much of him as a forward, so why do they continue him there, I have no idea. An AA HBF, havent heard a whimper since. Just my two cents.

We really do need more quality mids dont we, we have most tall options covered, although not sold up forward with Gumby or Neagle.

[Ben the Gooner]

OUT: Quinn, Dyson, Skipworth (Pears lucky)
IN: Lonergan, Hocking, Jetta

[d-mac3276]

Its got me stuffed why Myers and Hocking were dropped in the 1st place u should keep a winning formula not make massive changes. Ok McPhee and McVeigh had to come back in but i would of got rid of Dyson/Daniher/Nash before them two.

As for this week changes should be:

Ins: Houli,Hocking,Myers.Bellchambers.Lonergan

Outs: Skipworth (inj), Daniher,Nash,Dyson,Quinn

[Ben the Gooner]

Its got me stuffed why Myers and Hocking were dropped in the 1st place u should keep a winning formula not make massive changes. Ok McPhee and McVeigh had to come back in but i would of got rid of Dyson/Daniher/Nash before them two.

Hocking was injured, and Myers was abysmal twice in a row.

[EssendonPride]

This is really random, and I may get shut down for this, but could we swing young Daniher forward, because Cale Hooker has been playing extremely well at CHB at Bendigo, and I thought that he could come in.

Jetta has to come in, he adds spark and something to our forward half, he may not get a heap of it, but when he does, he does something, chasing and tackling is one area though of concern.

Lonergan for Skipworth is an automatic switch I would of thought. so no rocket science their.

I think bellchambers has to come in, as Ryder is not that crash hot in the ruck, and we might as well give some game time to the young T-Bell.

As for outs. I dont know, and would only be going on what others are saying. so who ever.

OUTS: Skipworth (INJ), Quinn (OMM), Hocking (INJ), Nash/Dyson (OMM)
INS: Hooker, Myers, Jetta, Bellchambers (?)

NOTE: all ins/outs are made without seeing the game.

Way too tall.
You want to drop 3 smalls (hocking wasn't even in the side :p), and bring in Hooker and Belly?

Bringing in Belly i'd like. Let Ryder settle in the forward line (for the whole game) and see what he can do.

That leaves up with Lloyd, Lucas, Ryder and McPhee forward, with Hille potentially resting. No room for Daniher.

Collingwood doesn't have a super tall forward line, so Fletch, Daniher and Pears should be enough.

If today showed anything, it's that we don't have the footskills to play that tall.

[ghostdog]

IMO Play Ryder solely at CHF give him more responsibility, bring Belly in to help Hille, see what happens. O'Brien has destroyed him the last couple of times they have played on each other, Lucas needs to go back to Bendigo and destroy an opponent, let him get his 8 shots on goal and let him find his kick again, thought his field kicking up the ground was alright today but is a liability as a forward target.

Shit forgot Skippy was injured aswell, probably Jetta in.

Yeah I think Ryder should go forward too. Ryder and Hille could alternate in the forwardline, maybe even Belchambers as a tall option depending on the Magpies' defence. McPhee should keep his spot, needs some intensive marking practise. Scott Lucas wouldn't want my pity.

We'll be stretched to be competitive next week.

[ghostdog]

Its got me stuffed why Myers and Hocking were dropped in the 1st place u should keep a winning formula not make massive changes. Ok McPhee and McVeigh had to come back in but i would of got rid of Dyson/Daniher/Nash before them two.

injured

[Wahooti Fandango]

In: Lonergan, NLM

Out: Skipworth, Quinn

Jetta has not earned his spot in the team and Myers needs more games in the magoos.

[Skeeta Olly]

Someone mentioned in the Bendigo Thread (ant555?) that Myers looks like he is still suffering for the flu he had pre-season. Unless we need him, he should stay and find form in the VFL.

[HULK HOGAN]

Just over an hour after the game and we all try and get on here and swing the axe after a loss valiantly try to make the chane that will bring us a much wanted vicyory on Anzac day. Having watched the game closely I have come to the conclusion that we Should not swing the "AXE" to harshly,we MUST pay credit to the tremendous pressure that the Kangaroos applied to our YOUNG side and the way there tall forwards were able to mark the football and convert( which could've been more damaging).
The Dons battled hard and never gave up despite being squezzed up at every opputunity. At three quater time Knights instructed the dons to "INJECT" more pace into the game and play on at all costs which prompted a very spirited last quater revival, in which we failed to convert on numerous ocassions.
Throw in some duvious umpireing decisions and some of our players being abit jittery and not getting a decent bounce of the ball(especially early on) and I think we will alot better for todays experience probably = to last week.
Having said all this I still go in to Anzac day with more confidence than what i have had over the last couple of years!!!!
MY CHANGES- Idont think hocking will be ready so
outs- Skipworth, Quinn
INs-Lonegran, Myers or Houli which ever playe performed the better at Bendigo, perhaps Houli may now be ready.

[Big Blow Hard]

Out: Skipworth, Quinn
Ins From: Lonergan, Hocking (if fit), NLM (Matches up better against Collingwood), Houli/Hooker

McPhee won't be dropped, so don't bother. He dropped some marks today, but he is a vital player for us.

I would not Drop Nash. We will need his rebound. People seem to jump on his mistakes more than others. He has become the new whipping boy. I thought Pears and Daniher were both worse today and the whole backline was shambolic at times.

[yodellinhank]

Its got me stuffed why Myers and Hocking were dropped in the 1st place u should keep a winning formula not make massive changes. Ok McPhee and McVeigh had to come back in but i would of got rid of Dyson/Daniher/Nash before them two.

As for this week changes should be:

Ins: Houli,Hocking,Myers.Bellchambers.Lonergan

Outs: Skipworth (inj), Daniher,Nash,Dyson,Quinn

So, you lose a game by only two goals and it means you make 5 changes? That's almost a quarter of the team. :confused:

[Wahooti Fandango]

Out: Skipworth, Quinn
Ins From: Lonergan, Hocking (if fit), NLM (Matches up better against Collingwood), Houli/Hooker

McPhee won't be dropped, so don't bother. He dropped some marks today, but he is a vital player for us.

I would not Drop Nash. We will need his rebound. People seem to jump on his mistakes more than others. He has become the new whipping boy. I thought Pears and Daniher were both worse today and the whole backline was shambolic at times.

The new Bolton.

[j2kboiz]

Out: Dyson (Never to return! why do we play this retard!), Nash, Skippy

In: Myers, Lonergan, Houli, Hocking (whoever is fit)

[Big Blow Hard]

Its got me stuffed why Myers and Hocking were dropped in the 1st place u should keep a winning formula not make massive changes. Ok McPhee and McVeigh had to come back in but i would of got rid of Dyson/Daniher/Nash before them two.



Myers has played poorly.
Hocking was not omitted, he went out with an injury.

[lemon chicken]

Dont see the need for wholesale changes. When you are playing kids you have to show some faith in them. As for Myers and Jetta i dont think a lot is achieved by dropping them for one match and bringing them straight back unless there is no other choice.

In Lonergan, Atkinson

Out Skipworth, Nash

Atkinson fits the game plan and is a better defender than Nash. I'd give Daniher another chance but Hooker is smashing the door down.

[Big Blow Hard]

Dont see the need for wholesale changes. When you are playing kids you have to show some faith in them. As for Myers and Jetta i dont think a lot is achieved by dropping them for one match and bringing them straight back unless there is no other choice.

In Lonergan, Atkinson

Out Skipworth, Nash

Atkinson fits the game plan and is a better defender than Nash. I'd give Daniher another chance but Hooker is smashing the door down.

I'd forgotten all about Atkinson. How's his magoos form been. Definitely worth consideration if he is playing well.

[Enki]

I would of thought you would play Hooker in Defence where he has been playing well in the magoos, I would have thought that Mcphee is an integral part of our side, I have never ever thought much of him as a forward, so why do they continue him there, I have no idea. An AA HBF, havent heard a whimper since. Just my two cents.


My point was you have to players who used to be forwards either of whom could go forward. Sure Hooker has been in defense in the VFL but Daniher has been in defense in the AFL, they both seem to be seen as long term defenders anyway (currently at least). I simply meant the coaching staff could use either in both positions.

As for McPhee, he is a forward/Wingman or he is nothing. I don't know why people constantly refer to his AA at HBF. AA is a joke, and McPhee played as a ridiculously loose defender who attacked through the center in a side with better players surrounding him. In the current team he is too indecisive and unsure at HBF, people whine when he holds onto it for too long up forward, but down back that will cost you twice as much. He is also a questionable field kick when in defense as he handles the pressure poorly. Sure he is good in the air so he can make a spoil or take a mark, but he is still a shite defender and is a better marking target up forward. If we don't want him up forward we should try and trade him.

[Wahooti Fandango]

I would be happy if Atkinson came in instead of Nat Rat. Myers is a no.

[lemon chicken]

I'd forgotten all about Atkinson. How's his magoos form been. Definitely worth consideration if he is playing well.

Plenty of run, disposal could be better but him and Dempsey streaming from the backline would look nice.

[Mighty_bombers]

lol gee hate to see if you people coach a team

people always want Dyson Dropped no matter how good or bad he plays you people need to get a life and stop picking out him as the reason we keep losing , was it Dysons fault why Mcphee Cost Lloyd a shot at goal ? of cause it was its dyson ....(thats how you people see it)
.... is it dysons fault that he didn't kick 15 goals and have 300 possys ?
i mean come on dyson your shit if you cant do that , gosh Ablett can't even do that so how would Dyson be able to ?


on the IN: and Outs:

In: Houil , Longergan

out : Nash , SKippy (inj)

[retroparty]

In: Hocking (if fit), Houli, Atkinson

Out: Skipworth, Nash, Quinn

EDIT: Lonergan should come in ahead of Houli.

[Bordy]

In: Hocking (if fit), Houli, Atkinson

Out: Dyson, Nash, Quinn

I Agree. :thumbsu:

[Wahooti Fandango]

Does Houli's form for Bendigo warrant his selection?

[eth-dog]

IN: Bellchambers, Atkinson, Houli

OUT: Skippy (inj), Lucas, Quinn

use Paddy, Lloydy, McPhee and Belly/Hille up forward, the other ruckman in the ruck. Atters and Dempsey off HB

[GoldenboyHird_5]

Does Houli's form for Bendigo warrant his selection?
Instead of provoking unneeded discussion here, why don;t you sticky your head in teh Bendigo thread?

Oh, and to answer your question, a big fat NO:o

[ant555]

This is really random, and I may get shut down for this, but could we swing young Daniher forward, because Cale Hooker has been playing extremely well at CHB at Bendigo, and I thought that he could come in.

Not so random. Hooker has done some good work for Bendigo in defence over the last 3 weeks. Just have to hope he does a role to stop and not get the ball too much as his kicking can still be a bit suspect.

Jetta has to come in, he adds spark and something to our forward half, he may not get a heap of it, but when he does, he does something, chasing and tackling is one area though of concern.

People keep saying this but the simple fact is Jetta has not been giving us the defensive pressure in the seniors. He was average last week. He was very poor against the Pies in the NAB Cup.
He has not really given much spark despite playing well for Bendigo when he has been out.

Lonergan for Skipworth is an automatic switch I would of thought. so no rocket science their.

Yep pretty much a no brainer there.


I think bellchambers has to come in, as Ryder is not that crash hot in the ruck, and we might as well give some game time to the young T-Bell

No. Form has not been good enough the last two weeks. Ryder was actually better in the ruck today. I think he will go forward as a ruckman / forward.
Bellchambers struggled against Carlton' 4th and 5th choice rucks and did not do a lot last night against Werribee. Goldstien had his messure in the ruck and Bock probaly had a better overall game for us and he is certainly not ready.

[Wahooti Fandango]

Instead of provoking unneeded discussion here, why don;t you sticky your head in teh Bendigo thread?

Oh, and to answer your question, a big fat NO:o

I have checked out the Bendigo thread and just thought I would shit stir. :D

[bombers2011]

Ins: Houli, Atkinson, Lonergan
Outs: Skipworth, Quinn, Dyson

Hurley?
Hocking?

Would love to see Clanger McPhee given a week at Bendigo after today.

Looking at Collingwood they have 5 players that could kick 5 goals each...

Anthony - Pears?
Medhurst - Daniher?
Didak - Hocking? Lonergan?
Cloke - Fletcher?
Davis - Slattery?
Thomas - Atkinson?

[EssendonPride]

lol gee hate to see if you people coach a team

people always want Dyson Dropped no matter how good or bad he plays you people need to get a life and stop picking out him as the reason we keep losing , was it Dysons fault why Mcphee Cost Lloyd a shot at goal ? of cause it was its dyson ....(thats how you people see it)
.... is it dysons fault that he didn't kick 15 goals and have 300 possys ?
i mean come on dyson your shit if you cant do that , gosh Ablett can't even do that so how would Dyson be able to ?


on the IN: and Outs:

In: Houil , Longergan

out : Nash , SKippy (inj)


Who here has said Dyson is the sole reason we're losing?
You went a bit far with your meaningless ramble.

Dyson simply isn't cutting it at the moment.
He's not good enough man on man to play in defense, isn't giving enough run to play wing/hbf, and doesn't get enough of the ball to play in the midfield.

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for him, but the simple fact is, he's not delivering. We have players that can do his job better than him.

[edit] Didn't realise he got 5 tackles. Don't recall seeing him tackle that much. Nice change considering he went the last two weeks without one.
Maybe it'll buy him another week, he does at least seem to have improved on last year.

[d-mac3276]

Hocking was injured, and Myers was abysmal twice in a row.
Ok i didn't realise Hocking was injured as the papers didn't state it but as for Myers everyone wants to sit there and say we need to get games into these kids well he was our top pick 2 years ago and he needs the time. Yes i agree he was very ordinary against Carlton as Wiggins tore him a new one but for **** sake Daniher got smashed by Fev and is the most unco player i've seen since we had Kepler Bradley. I'd have Myers everyday of the week b4 him and Quinn are u shitting me pfft.
I don't think alot of ppl understand dropping kids is just going to set em back more than it does them good as there spirit and confidence drops when they've been dropped.

[Big Blow Hard]

Ok i didn't realise Hocking was injured as the papers didn't state it but as for Myers everyone wants to sit there and say we need to get games into these kids well he was our top pick 2 years ago and he needs the time. Yes i agree he was very ordinary against Carlton as Wiggins tore him a new one but for **** sake Daniher got smashed by Fev and is the most unco player i've seen since we had Kepler Bradley. I'd have Myers everyday of the week b4 him and Quinn are u shitting me pfft.
I don't think alot of ppl understand dropping kids is just going to set em back more than it does them good as there spirit and confidence drops when they've been dropped.


No it's not. It is the way it has been done for 100 years and it is the right way. If being dropped as a kid knocks about your confidence, the piss off and play Netball. Probably 80% of young players are in and out of sides during their first few years. Do you think leaving them in the seniors to cop ahiding week in, week out is better for their confidence? :rolleyes:

[Rohan Coventry]

Watching the game today, it looked like you were 1 tall defender short.

[Ben the Gooner]

Ok i didn't realise Hocking was injured as the papers didn't state it but as for Myers everyone wants to sit there and say we need to get games into these kids well he was our top pick 2 years ago and he needs the time. Yes i agree he was very ordinary against Carlton as Wiggins tore him a new one but for **** sake Daniher got smashed by Fev and is the most unco player i've seen since we had Kepler Bradley. I'd have Myers everyday of the week b4 him and Quinn are u shitting me pfft.
I don't think alot of ppl understand dropping kids is just going to set em back more than it does them good as there spirit and confidence drops when they've been dropped.

But if we give players games they don't deserve, we breed complacency, and to be honest, fighting tooth and nail in the twos to get his spot back will do Myers, or Houli, or Jetta much better than simply letting them under-perform at the top level.

If they don't fight tooth and nail, they don't get their spot back, and the penny will drop eventually.

[GoldenboyHird_5]

Ins: Houli, Atkinson, Lonergan
Outs: Skipworth, Quinn, Dyson

Hurley?
Hocking?

Would love to see Clanger McPhee given a week at Bendigo after today.

Looking at Collingwood they have 5 players that could kick 5 goals each...

Anthony - Pears?
Medhurst - Daniher?
Didak - Hocking? Lonergan?
Cloke - Fletcher?
Davis - Slattery?
Thomas - Atkinson?
FIne then, bya ll means, just rush in a player who's just had a QUAD injury, and just let him to another quad.

Is that how you and the other idiots on this board want it to be?

I would have thought we'd have learnt how lessons from the Gumby experience that you cannot rush your youngsters.




Some many idiots:mad:

[TheDon35]

Lucas: Getting a free ride. Not contributing at all. Look's totally unfit and not able to make any reasonable impact.

Dyson: Talk about a free ride. Every game this bloke plays he makes Matthew Knights look like an idiot. Can't kick. Can't handball. Can't win hard ball.

Skipworth: Was terrible anyway so probably would have been under the pump.

Then take your pick out of Mcphee, Nash, Slattery. All contribute jack sh*t

I'm not a fan of having blokes come in and play one game, miss, back for another, back to the 2nd's the next week.... I'm not sure if he's up to it but give him a chance to develop himself one way of the other.

In's: Houli, Hocking, Lonergan, Neagle

[Ben the Gooner]

Watching the game today, it looked like you were 1 tall defender short.

I think that was due more to the fact that Petrie and Hale are 10ft tall.

Against your boys, we should be right with Pears on Anthony and Daniher on Cloke.

That leaves Fletcher to either run off Rocca (if he plays) or to play on Medhurst like last year.

[EssendonPride]

Ins: Houli, Atkinson, Lonergan
Outs: Skipworth, Quinn, Dyson

Hurley?
Hocking?

Would love to see Clanger McPhee given a week at Bendigo after today.

Looking at Collingwood they have 5 players that could kick 5 goals each...

Anthony - Pears?
Medhurst - Daniher?
Didak - Hocking? Lonergan?
Cloke - Fletcher?
Davis - Slattery?
Thomas - Atkinson?

I can see Fletcher going to medhurst, so i'd probably swap he and daniher.
I see Dempsey > Davis, and Slats > Thomas (slats couldn't keep up with davis)
I'd say one of Didak and Thomas would be playing further up the ground at any given time, so i'd have Slats on the one closest to goal, Hocking to the other (if he's fit)

[Kaiser Powser]

FIne then, bya ll means, just rush in a player who's just had a QUAD injury, and just let him to another quad.

Is that how you and the other idiots on this board want it to be?

I would have thought we'd have learnt how lessons from the Gumby experience that you cannot rush your youngsters.




Some many idiots:mad:

I know it was a bad game but seriously, calm down, take a Bex and have a nice lie down.

The guy was just querying if Hurley was a chance to play, hence the question mark.

Your response should have simply read "I don't think he will be ready yet, surely we will give him ample time to heal up".

[ant555]

Lucas: Getting a free ride. Not contributing at all. Look's totally unfit and not able to make any reasonable impact.

Dyson: Talk about a free ride. Every game this bloke plays he makes Matthew Knights look like an idiot. Can't kick. Can't handball. Can't win hard ball.

Skipworth: Was terrible anyway so probably would have been under the pump.

Then take your pick out of Mcphee, Nash, Slattery. All contribute jack sh*t

I'm not a fan of having blokes come in and play one game, miss, back for another, back to the 2nd's the next week.... I'm not sure if he's up to it but give him a chance to develop himself one way of the other.

In's: Houli, Hocking, Lonergan, Neagle


Not sure how you could possibly consider Neagle. Did not play this week and the previous two weeks he would have had a grand total of about ten possesions over two games.

[Rohan Coventry]

That leaves Fletcher to either run off Rocca (if he plays) or to play on Medhurst like last year.

Rocca is being used as a decoy. He'll get Fletcher.

Cloke would normally get Ryder, but he's playing up the field more now. Jack Anthony & Medhurst appear mismatches for Daniher and the next likely defender.

[Wahooti Fandango]

If we do not control Medhurst then he will rip us a new one.

[EssendonPride]

Lucas: Getting a free ride. Not contributing at all. Look's totally unfit and not able to make any reasonable impact.

Dyson: Talk about a free ride. Every game this bloke plays he makes Matthew Knights look like an idiot. Can't kick. Can't handball. Can't win hard ball.

Skipworth: Was terrible anyway so probably would have been under the pump.

Then take your pick out of Mcphee, Nash, Slattery. All contribute jack sh*t

I'm not a fan of having blokes come in and play one game, miss, back for another, back to the 2nd's the next week.... I'm not sure if he's up to it but give him a chance to develop himself one way of the other.

In's: Houli, Hocking, Lonergan, Neagle

Slam Slattery for contributing jack shit (which is wrong, he does his job), and you want to bring Neagle in?
The same Neagle that was sent back to Bendigo for not contributing, and has done nothing there either?
McPhee had a bad game, still looks one of our more likely forwards, but by all means, drop him too...

We're coming up against a team with very dangerous small forwards, drop Slats? Very thankful your opinion counts for nothing.

[Kaiser Powser]

I think we need to make some serious changes over the next few weeks the following players need to be out of the team, as they are nowhere near our best 22:

Quinn, Dyson, Nash, Slattery.

Changes for next week I would hope for:

Outs:

Skipworth (inj but possibly omitted anyway, very ordinary last 2 weeks.

Quinn, OK great he has played two games now and knows the intensity, now go back and play about 20 games in the VFL and learn how to play the game before we risk him again. Has talent, but at the moment is a massive liability.

Dyson, just a very ordinary footballer who has been persisted with for too long, Remiers can not come back fast enough.

Slattery, clumsy, unskilled, slow, low awareness, just a dud of the highest calibre.

Nash, not AFL standard.

Now I am aware they will not make 5 changes like that, but these players need to be gradually removed from the side, if we are hoping to build a decent team.

Ins:

Will obviously depend of match-ups with Collingwood, but I would love to see Lonergan and Hocking back, if they are fit. Also Houli and either Atkinson or Hooker to come in for Slattery.

My prediction:

Out: Skipworth, Quinn, Nash
In: Lonergan, Hooker, Hocking

[AndyLesPaul]

I think we need to make some serious changes over the next few weeks the following players need to be out of the team, as they are nowhere near our best 22:

Quinn, Dyson, Nash, Slattery.

Changes for next week I would hope for:

Outs:

Skipworth (inj but possibly omitted anyway, very ordinary last 2 weeks.

Quinn, OK great he has played two games now and knows the intensity, now go back and play about 20 games in the VFL and learn how to play the game before we risk him again. Has talent, but at the moment is a massive liability.

Dyson, just a very ordinary footballer who has been persisted with for too long, Remiers can not come back fast enough.

Slattery, clumsy, unskilled, slow, low awareness, just a dud of the highest calibre.

Nash, not AFL standard.

Now I am aware they will not make 5 changes like that, but these players need to be gradually removed from the side, if we are hoping to build a decent team.

Ins:

Will obviously depend of match-ups with Collingwood, but I would love to see Lonergan and Hocking back, if they are fit. Also Houli and either Atkinson or Hooker to come in for Slattery.

My prediction:

Out: Skipworth, Quinn, Nash
In: Lonergan, Houli, Hocking

Was nash originally in the team? or was he a late inclusion, and if so who did he replace

Dyson is a massive dud, but Slatts is alright, he can actually play is his position

Dyson doesnt even have a position
infact, Dyson is the new laycock

[Kaiser Powser]

Was nash originally in the team? or was he a late inclusion, and if so who did he replace

Dyson is a massive dud, but Slatts is alright, he can actually play is his position

Dyson doesnt even have a position
infact, Dyson is the new laycock

I really can't stand Slattery, his skill level is just not good enough, he has poor awareness, but the worst part is that he gives away some terrible free kicks, either unessecarily in front of goal, and I am not talking about a free for chopping the arms in a marking contest or something minor, but clumsy high tackles or falling into players backs.

Today for example he got pinged for holding the ball when we had a three on one near the boundary, when the one player came at him, he just ducked his head and then when the umpire ruled 'correctly' that it was not a high tackle, he was gone, 99% of other AFL players would have thought there way through that relatively simple situation far better than that.

you are right in the fact that at least he serves a role as a small defensive player, while Dyson just hacks around as a below average mid-fielder, when we actually have quite an abundance of B grade midfielders at the club now, who should snap up his spot when fit, i.e. Lonergan, Hocking, Houli, Myers, Prismall, Welsh, Reimers, Jetta.

[dons_fan185]

I probably should have finished reading this thread before I put in my 2 cents about David Myers but I'd like to make this point:
I wont hide the fact that I'm a big fan of his. I think he's a good player when he knows what he's doing and I'd support his inclusion in the side. But you can't play in the AFL and get only 8 touches and give away 3 free kicks. A few more weeks with Bendigo, even though i doubt this will do good things for his confidence at least it will get him into a consistent playing pattern.


And then with Bachar Houli:
If he can handle a defensive role then he might be a handy inclusion. That's a big if though

[Skeeta Olly]

Was nash originally in the team? or was he a late inclusion, and if so who did he replace

Dyson is a massive dud, but Slatts is alright, he can actually play is his position

Dyson doesnt even have a position
infact, Dyson is the new laycock

That's just stupid. The reason why he is being chosen ahead of people like Jetta and Houli is because he plays his role and applies defensive pressure. Dyson isn't going to be an A-Grader, but the sooner people realise why he is playing the better.

First round, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round people had 'Out: Dyson' but he never was. When someone doesn't fulfill expectations, they become the whipping boy and people wont be pleased till they are gone.

Dyson had 5 tackles today. Only topped by Watson and McPhee and equiled by Davey.

He's nothing special but he does his job, and until someone can do his job better, he'll stay.

[ant555]

Quinn, OK great he has played two games now and knows the intensity, now go back and play about 20 games in the VFL and learn how to play the game before we risk him again. Has talent, but at the moment is a massive liability.


Do you want to point out to me the player that carved up Quinn today and made him a massive liability ?
I would not pick him this week as it is a different type of pressure game. More like a final.
He certainly did nothing today that made him a massive liability. He stuffed up one kick and got caught holding the ball once but he had no major mistakes.
Lets just say that anything he did wrong was certainly matched by a number of our senior players today.

[Ben the Gooner]

Rocca is being used as a decoy. He'll get Fletcher.

Cloke would normally get Ryder, but he's playing up the field more now. Jack Anthony & Medhurst appear mismatches for Daniher and the next likely defender.

If Cloke plays the Richo role he could be tough to match up on. Might be a job for NLM.

Daniher will take Rocca in that case, and Pears Anthony.

Fletch -> Medhurst
Slats -> Didak
Hocking -> Davis

[EssendonPride]

That's just stupid. The reason why he is being chosen ahead of people like Jetta and Houli is because he plays his role and applies defensive pressure. Dyson isn't going to be an A-Grader, but the sooner people realise why he is playing the better.

First round, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round people had 'Out: Dyson' but he never was. When someone doesn't fulfill expectations, they become the whipping boy and people wont be pleased till they are gone.

Dyson had 5 tackles today. Only topped by Watson and McPhee and equiled by Davey.

He's nothing special but he does his job, and until someone can do his job better, he'll stay.

Backing up his awesome defensive effort of zip for the 2 weeks prior.
Give him another week though I reckon.

[Skeeta Olly]

Hocking -> Davis
Broken toe?

[Rohan Coventry]

Fletch -> Medhurst


Think Medhurst won't play on Fletcher. Too nimble, will lose him in traffic.

[AndyLesPaul]

That's just stupid. The reason why he is being chosen ahead of people like Jetta and Houli is because he plays his role and applies defensive pressure. Dyson isn't going to be an A-Grader, but the sooner people realise why he is playing the better.

First round, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round people had 'Out: Dyson' but he never was. When someone doesn't fulfill expectations, they become the whipping boy and people wont be pleased till they are gone.

Dyson had 5 tackles today. Only topped by Watson and McPhee and equiled by Davey.

He's nothing special but he does his job, and until someone can do his job better, he'll stay.
5 tackles?
were they effective?

and fair point, but i'd say all i'm expecting him
is to play at afl standard, currently he's on the brink of vfl, but there arent people right now to replace him.

[Ben the Gooner]

Broken toe?

Said on SEN they'll assess it during the week.

Think Medhurst won't play on Fletcher. Too nimble, will lose him in traffic.

He did last year, and he killed him.

[Wanna B Hird]

Please excuse this post from me im sure I will re-visit tomorrow with more thought behind it.
Too many fans bag out on Dyson although he is not our best player he is'nt our worst. Im continuosly frustrated with the over rated Stanton and Mcphee between the two of them im not sure who stuffs up the most, honostly I think Stanton will struggle for a spot when we get Welsh & Priss back as for Mcphee; Today explains all. Other players of concern after today(but im sure SHOULD bounce back)
*PADDY RYDER- definetly not a cetre ruckman seems to be scared to jump into opposition; Not doing enough should stay as roaming ruckman in forward line
*DAVID HILLE- one of our best players, should start showing presents a bit more without going the man
*SCOTT LUCAS- will come good
*H SLATTEREY- to many silly mistakes, give ATKINSON a go
*ANGUS MONFRIES-love to see im tried in back line some stage, maybe against Davis or Medhurst would be a good start
*JAY NASH-has got a bit of work to do on his foot skills
Im sure a lot of these players will turn things around I just had to vent some anger on todays s%#t game

[yaco55]

Lucas: Getting a free ride. Not contributing at all. Look's totally unfit and not able to make any reasonable impact.

Dyson: Talk about a free ride. Every game this bloke plays he makes Matthew Knights look like an idiot. Can't kick. Can't handball. Can't win hard ball.

Skipworth: Was terrible anyway so probably would have been under the pump.

Then take your pick out of Mcphee, Nash, Slattery. All contribute jack sh*t

I'm not a fan of having blokes come in and play one game, miss, back for another, back to the 2nd's the next week.... I'm not sure if he's up to it but give him a chance to develop himself one way of the other.

In's: Houli, Hocking, Lonergan, Neagle

What did Slattery do wrong ?

The small North forwards hardly cut up the backilne.

I actually gave Slattery 1 vote.

[yaco55]

At this stage

Lonergan, Atkinson

FOR

Skipworth, Nash

Quinn/ Dyson have question marks.

Other possible In's - NLM, Hooker, Houli

[efcboy]

geesh so many people get carried away and want change just for the sake of change - absolutely ludicrous to suggest either jetta or neagle deserve a game.

one of the problems that most have overlooked was basically losing a player out of the midfield rotations. hocking went out injured and mcveigh was severely underdone. in hindsight mcveigh should have played vfl - i found it contradictory that myers was sent back to vfl to get conditioning yet mcveigh played despite not having played a match for a couple of months and it showed. for most of the game he was ineffective in a forward pocket...no doubt he'll be better for the run this week but it was probably a mistake to throw him straight in.

changes for mine:

in: lonergan, myers, lovett-murray
out: skipworth (inj), quinn, nash

i don't mind quinn but agree his game might develop better at this stage in the vfl. i dislike nash - he's soft, unaccountable and his decision making is terrible. how many hospital/telegraphed kicks in defence can he do?

myers is a better alternative than nash for mine as he can play defence or midfield and actually go for a contested footy. a full game at vfl level may have improved his fitness.

mcphee dropped a few easy marks but easy to overlook the good work he did. definitely a key player in the side especially given lucas' efforts.

lucas has to stay in for the time being as there is no better alternative unfortunately - what i'd give for a fully fit gumby...

i'm not a massive fan of dyson but find the criticism is unfounded and based on previous hatred. dyson was clearly better than mcveigh today and did some pretty good things. he should definitely stay in for the time being - at least dyson can run a game out. his defensive pressure was good. i don't like dropping fully fit blokes for guys struggling for fitness...

[kelvin_sheedy]

Please excuse this post from me im sure I will re-visit tomorrow with more thought behind it.
Too many fans bag out on Dyson although he is not our best player he is'nt our worst. Im continuosly frustrated with the over rated Stanton and Mcphee between the two of them im not sure who stuffs up the most, honostly I think Stanton will struggle for a spot when we get Welsh & Priss back as for Mcphee; Today explains all. Other players of concern after today(but im sure SHOULD bounce back

It's people like you that makes me wonder what the hell is going on.

Dyson isn't our best but not our worst yet gets a game?

Stanton overrated yet has a better disposal efficiency then Dyson, gets more of the ball, kicks more goals, lays more tackles, gets tagged, etc, etc

How many AFL midfielders in their 6th season have worse stats than our Ricky. It'd be 0. Doughnuts! He is pretty much in the bottom 3 in every game we play. How can we carry that after 6 years and 67 games. FFS Knights let your love child go and give more game time to a Houli or even Atkinson!

[mark1881]

IN: Lonergan, Myers, Lovett-Murray/Houli
OUT: Skipworth (inj), Quinn, Nash

[EssendonPride]

Please excuse this post from me im sure I will re-visit tomorrow with more thought behind it.
Too many fans bag out on Dyson although he is not our best player he is'nt our worst. Im continuosly frustrated with the over rated Stanton and Mcphee between the two of them im not sure who stuffs up the most, honostly I think Stanton will struggle for a spot when we get Welsh & Priss back as for Mcphee; Today explains all. Other players of concern after today(but im sure SHOULD bounce back)
*PADDY RYDER- definetly not a cetre ruckman seems to be scared to jump into opposition; Not doing enough should stay as roaming ruckman in forward line
*DAVID HILLE- one of our best players, should start showing presents a bit more without going the man
*SCOTT LUCAS- will come good
*H SLATTEREY- to many silly mistakes, give ATKINSON a go
*ANGUS MONFRIES-love to see im tried in back line some stage, maybe against Davis or Medhurst would be a good start
*JAY NASH-has got a bit of work to do on his foot skills
Im sure a lot of these players will turn things around I just had to vent some anger on todays s%#t game

Happy with Dyson, but frustrated with stanton??????????????????????

Says it all really.......