View Full Version : Scott Lucas is Finished!
The Donners
27 Apr 2009, 18:08
Looked slow, was dropping simple marks... and worst of all was resorting to handballing!
If this guy isn't CHF for the Bendigo Bombers this week God help us! :rolleyes:
Duckworth
27 Apr 2009, 18:13
I do hope that this thread was started as a joke re: the muppets bagging our players thread.
Wahooti Fandango
27 Apr 2009, 18:13
Just like Lloyd was finished, twice. ;)
The Donners
27 Apr 2009, 18:19
I do hope that this thread was started as a joke re: the muppets bagging our players thread.
Of course not..... <;);)>
sen entertainment bloke
27 Apr 2009, 18:28
Knights and Lucas will be having a chat during the week would be a title for the thread.
I wouldn't say finished. Needs confidence. If he finds that, he may find a bit of pace as well.
Looked slow, was dropping simple marks... and worst of all was resorting to handballing!
If this guy isn't CHF for the Bendigo Bombers this week God help us! :rolleyes:
Well Bendigo have a bye this week....:rolleyes:
So I think the Bendigo Reserves might be a good fit for him! ;)
BomberFan_23
27 Apr 2009, 18:41
I just hope who ever started this thread apoligises next week after he wins the game for us next week! haha probably the same person who thought dyson was finished! haha
I don't think he is finished but obviously if he doesn't improve by season's end he's gone! We still need to play him IMO. we have a better chance of winning games if we have lucas in the side instead of a Neagle or Daniher at CHF. But thats just my opinion!;)
AndyLesPaul
27 Apr 2009, 18:46
Looked slow, was dropping simple marks... and worst of all was resorting to handballing!
If this guy isn't CHF for the Bendigo Bombers this week God help us! :rolleyes:
Scott Lucas is finished?
More like scott lucas has an elbow protuberance that effects his playing muchly
Can people read the goddamn topic before posting ffs?
james_omahoney
27 Apr 2009, 18:49
Looked slow, was dropping simple marks... and worst of all was resorting to handballing!
If this guy isn't CHF for the Bendigo Bombers this week God help us! :rolleyes:
You're a smart cookie. We know what you're playing at. You'll know he'll play a blinder against Brisbane due to your posting this ;) :thumbsu: ;)....
that's if he's named in the side :o
stugots
27 Apr 2009, 18:56
Can people read the goddamn topic before posting ffs?
theres a topic??:rolleyes:
leave scotty alone you horrible people:thumbsd:
The Donners
27 Apr 2009, 18:59
I just hope who ever started this thread apoligises next week after he wins the game for us next week! haha probably the same person who thought dyson was finished! haha
I don't think he is finished but obviously if he doesn't improve by season's end he's gone! We still need to play him IMO. we have a better chance of winning games if we have lucas in the side instead of a Neagle or Daniher at CHF. But thats just my opinion!;)
No I'm not the same person that said Dyson was finished, though I predicted he would be dropped for the Collingwood game (which he was! ;)) I've actually defended Dyson. He was the only one prepared to kick long against North, he had no help against Port as Essendon were standing still however he was useless against Carlton. He is often the whipping boy of Essendon fans and usually it is warranted, not this year, he's really putting in the hard yards.
Tony Delaney
27 Apr 2009, 19:00
Never write off a champion. He will be back playing some super football very soon.
A run with Bendigo might be in order as the days of being able to carry someone for too long is over.
Good signs from the weekend were that he was brave enough to keep presenting and wanting the ball and didn't go into his shell which he easily could have. Also his hands got better as the game went on, just as his feet deserted him.
If i were Knights i would have him at training leading out for marks for half the night with someone putting pressure and one instruction 'don't go to ground, keep your feet'.
bOmBeR_BoY1
27 Apr 2009, 19:10
I'm going to back the big bloke to answer some of his critics this week, in his likely last chance in the seniors...
With a good recent record against the Lions - bags of 4, 5 & 7 in three of his last five outings, I reckon he can return to some vein of form on the predicted dry & large expanses of the Gabba. I have noticed the Lions in recent years really put all their defensive resources into restricting Lloyd's output and this could have benefits again for Lucas this week. In saying that, they have a new coach this time but they still wouldn't want to underestimate Lucas.
He is often the whipping boy of Essendon fans and usually it is warranted, not this year, he's really putting in the hard yards.
I think we've gone back to Slatts as the whipping boy. Although Lucas is soon to become the next one. I was whipping Nat-Rat (http://209.85.48.8/13985/189/emo/evilgrin0039.gif) during the game, those damn loopy Handballs!
BomberFan_23
27 Apr 2009, 19:26
in Fletch's 300th the older guys will want to put in a good game!
Lucas will improve! just wait a week:thumbsu:
FrankGrimes
27 Apr 2009, 19:28
doesnt help poor scotty when players cant him on a lead when he has space on his opponent.... he will be back thought he tried hard on ANZAC day and will hit back and make people eat there words...
un_eggs
27 Apr 2009, 19:28
Spikey, Spikey, Spikey... *sigh* :rolleyes:
Spikey, Spikey, Spikey... *sigh* :rolleyes:
Yes?
un_eggs
27 Apr 2009, 19:45
Yes?
BUURRP!! (excuse me).
Strike Swiftly
27 Apr 2009, 20:25
I dont like saying this, because i love the bloke as much as any other supporter, but I believe the time has come for Scotty to put his hand up and step aside for the rest of the year, before retiring. Scotty is a champion of the game and deserves the utmost respect, however his performances of recent have been nothing short of woeful. He has zero pace, zero leap, zero touch, and zero confidence in his disposals. We cannot afford to carry a player who is that out of touch with the modern game. I doubt he will regain his pace or leap, which are both crucial to our gameplan. He is unable to apply any form of forward defensive pressure, with opposition defenders running off him without fear. If he does manage to get his hands on the ball by the way of marking it, which he has struggled with recently, his disposals have let him down terribly.
If I was Knighter, I would respectfully give Scott Lucas the tap on the shoulder, and request he play the rest of the season with Bendigo in a mentor role. His presence and tutelage of our young forwards (ie. Neagle, gumbleton, Williams, Still) would be of more benefit than playing him in our current side IMO. If he manages to regain enough form to play decent AFL footy, lets not hesitate to bring him back.
But as it currently stands, the hard decision needs to be made, because Scott Lucas has been too good a player for the Essendon FC and his overall standing and reputation is at risk of being damaged.
Hirdman
27 Apr 2009, 21:08
Firstly lets just start by saying dont dare compare Scott Lucas to either Ricky Dyson or Nathan Lovett-Murray is ****ing sacrelidge. Secondly Scotts main issue is that for near on ten years Scott has built a game aronud his engine, mobility and hes devastating 60 meter game.
Scott has struggled with his inability to "get on the bike" and beat players that way. He has never been a body position player that produces enough goal kicking opportunities through one on one 50/50 kicks, and due to mobility (and perhaps engine) cant find the positions he has had success in.
I hope Scotty can get it back, my concern is perhaps he cant play the way he has due to mobility and engine, and at 30 years old, can he become a different foward?
Knights wants him to be, Essendon needs him to be and without a viable and deserved option we need to have a little faith.
I dont like saying this, because i love the bloke as much as any other supporter, but I believe the time has come for Scotty to put his hand up and step aside for the rest of the year, before retiring. Scotty is a champion of the game and deserves the utmost respect, however his performances of recent have been nothing short of woeful. He has zero pace, zero leap, zero touch, and zero confidence in his disposals. We cannot afford to carry a player who is that out of touch with the modern game. I doubt he will regain his pace or leap, which are both crucial to our gameplan. He is unable to apply any form of forward defensive pressure, with opposition defenders running off him without fear. If he does manage to get his hands on the ball by the way of marking it, which he has struggled with recently, his disposals have let him down terribly.
If I was Knighter, I would respectfully give Scott Lucas the tap on the shoulder, and request he play the rest of the season with Bendigo in a mentor role. His presence and tutelage of our young forwards (ie. Neagle, gumbleton, Williams, Still) would be of more benefit than playing him in our current side IMO. If he manages to regain enough form to play decent AFL footy, lets not hesitate to bring him back.
But as it currently stands, the hard decision needs to be made, because Scott Lucas has been too good a player for the Essendon FC and his overall standing and reputation is at risk of being damaged.
I dont understand posters saying that Lucas should play for Bendigo.
Players of his stature ( also read Lloyd and Fletcher ) either make a valuable contribution at AFL level or they retire.
There is no benefit in Lucas playing for BENDIGO.
I mentioned this earlier when discussing changes for next week.
I think we've gone back to Slatts as the whipping boy. Although Lucas is soon to become the next one. I was whipping Nat-Rat (http://209.85.48.8/13985/189/emo/evilgrin0039.gif) during the game, those damn loopy Handballs!
So Dyson plays one good game and he is off the hook.
thank god for that.
:p
I dont understand posters saying that Lucas should play for Bendigo.
Players of his stature ( also read Lloyd and Fletcher ) either make a valuable contribution at AFL level or they retire.
There is no benefit in Lucas playing for BENDIGO.
I mentioned this earlier when discussing changes for next week.
Of course there is a benefit playing for bendigo. He could go back and get his confidence. If he kicks a bag of ten then he'd come back firing. I think that he should get a game this week, Collingwood always seems to stop Lucas their game plan suits stopping Lucas. I can see him kicking three+ goals this week. If he fails again then it won't bother me seeing him playing at Bendigo.
Lance Uppercut
28 Apr 2009, 09:36
I dont understand posters saying that Lucas should play for Bendigo.
Players of his stature ( also read Lloyd and Fletcher ) either make a valuable contribution at AFL level or they retire.
There is no benefit in Lucas playing for BENDIGO.
I mentioned this earlier when discussing changes for next week.
you don't think players like Cale Hooker, Rhys Magin, Tom Bellchambers etc wouldn't benefit from playing alongside Scott Lucas for a week or two?
Further, you don't see any benefit in him actually finding some form playing against a lower quality opponent set before coming back to the senior team?
Can someone please tell me who we bring in for Lucas, we are all on his back, saying how bad he is playing, the fact of the matter is we do not have any players in the VFL showing form up forward, Neagle kicked 2 in the VFL, hardly pressing claims to play AFL, Hooker has been playing well, as a defender, we could push Daniher back forward, but we seem to see his future as a long term defender.
So, we need him to play, simple as that, he is slowly coming back into the game, and is getting better each week. His anzac day match was good, he was getting himself into the game, and doing ok in the second half of the match.
Strike Swiftly
28 Apr 2009, 10:17
We have options. We could easily plan Daniher forward, we could play Williams forward, we could play Neagle forward. Neagle is a player of the future. We could, I said could, win a flag with Neagle. We are not going to win a flag with Lucas. If we are going to carry a player hoping they gain form, i'd rather we carry Neagle.
Later in the year, we may be able to play Still, but he is a bit skinny and green at the moment.
Knights was on SEN this morning. He's not dropping Lucas anytime soon by the sounds of things.
Hooker or Bellchambers a chance to come in this week.
I dont understand posters saying that Lucas should play for Bendigo.
Players of his stature ( also read Lloyd and Fletcher ) either make a valuable contribution at AFL level or they retire.
There is no benefit in Lucas playing for BENDIGO.
I mentioned this earlier when discussing changes for next week.
Sorry but it is a rubbish statement to say there is no benifit playing Lucas for Bendigo.
The benifit will be to see if he can bounce back and find some form.
If he goes back and in 3 or 4 games he gets a bit of confidence back and kicks a couple of bags then you know he still has something to offer.
It is not like we have said he needs to go back to bendigo and never return to the seniors.
At the moment his form problems are seeing him trying that hard to get his hands on the footy that he has actually forgotten about doing the team things when needed. He nearly got Lonergan killed on the weekend by attempting to get to a contest and take a mark rather than just blocking out his oponent. He also failed to sheppherd a couple of times becasue he was calling for a dinky 1 meter handball. He has also lead to the same spots as other forwards bringing in another defender to the contest.
He is not as good as he was but he has to sort out his game. To find form he has to realise that he can not play like he did 2 years ago. IMO he has to go back and find some good form for Bendigo and if he can not do that in a 3 or 4 week period then he should give it away.
Valve Bounce
28 Apr 2009, 11:52
Knights and Lucas will be having a chat during the week would be a title for the thread.
I wouldn't say finished. Needs confidence. If he finds that, he may find a bit of pace as well.
.................and needs to find touch. He was there but couldn't take marks that previously were child's play for Scottie. But I refused to Brox cheer the guy - I kept yelling and clapping when he took the mark, then passed the ball beautifully to the guy who kicked a goal.
Basically, Scottie needs to re-discover his form.
beautifully said Ant. He can give us real value playing for Bendigo and hopefully extend his career. I think another couple of weeks in this form and he will give it away. I know they say the elbow doesn't effect his game.. but I would give it a couple of weeks to recover.. another couple of runs in the legs and then see where Lucas sits. At the moment, despite Knights loyalty, he is just not cutting it at AFL level. If Ess is serious about winning games of football we can't afford to carry too many blokes.
As to the comparision with Lloyd.. he had two great games against Carlscum and Freo.. was serviceable against North.. but I thought he true leadership showed on ANZAC day.. he was clearly injured but stayed on because of our lack of options.. kept getting to the contest where he could and drew presti away from the contest if we had someone there. Great decoy role. Lucas was not able to find a way, such as this, to benefit the team.
Not a Wellman
28 Apr 2009, 12:05
Whilst we are still a chance at playing finals footy, I believe we keep playing Scotty.
We are expecting to much to early but, he could be the difference between making finals and not by years end. If he can kick 2-3 goals a game and 1 or 2 from outside 50 by years end. We will have sides pooing their pants if they have to play us in a final with Lloyd and Lucas playing well.
Strike Swiftly
28 Apr 2009, 12:24
^ Two sides to this coin. He could be the difference between us playing finals or not. He could either stay in the team, regain form and fire on all cylinders, or he could continue playing like he is and fail to do anything of note bar clangers for the rest of the year possibly costing us games. Both could affect our chances of playing finals.
Mr Mosquito
28 Apr 2009, 12:24
Im not trying to pump up my own tires here, but a while back i raised this point. I think he form post injury last year was predictable and as such he is starting to hurt our team. I think we are better of giving Neagle a run and force him to step up (Paddy Ryder style) and in a few weeks make a judgement of who is offering us more. We are past the point with Scott Lucas, as good as he has been, that he should be considered and certain selection and untouchable.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=495667&highlight=Mr+Mosquito
have a peek and see what was said last year about this topic.
Jonesy1987
28 Apr 2009, 12:54
ATM Can't remember much about his previous quite performances this year so I'll just comment on the Pies game. IMO he was playing too deep. Just finished watching the replay of the game, shocking early but was quite good when he went up the ground in the second half, his kicking into the 50 is some of the best in the side, not pinpoint but always to advantage. Seems to still have his engine, just lost a lot of pace off the mark and will continue to be exposed if we play him inside 50.
bomberstomake8
28 Apr 2009, 16:20
this call is very premature
its round 5, he had a very serious knee operation and he hasnt really played much since knights took over as coach. he would still be getting used to the game plan moreso then everyone else... last year lloyd wasnt time his leads right at tall because he didnt understand the game plan, you never know when we are going to stop handballing and kick it long, this makes it hard for leading forwards.
secondly who do we bring in for lucas? and dont tell me hooker he is definately nto ready to hold down a KPF post.
neagle is showing next to nothing in the vfl and shouldnt be included, he doesnt understand which balls to go to and how to protect other forwards..
lucas even if he isnt kicking goals he is dragging a key defender out of the goal square and away from lloyd and that is vital.. he will find form im confident of it.
Sorry but it is a rubbish statement to say there is no benifit playing Lucas for Bendigo.
The benifit will be to see if he can bounce back and find some form.
If he goes back and in 3 or 4 games he gets a bit of confidence back and kicks a couple of bags then you know he still has something to offer.
It is not like we have said he needs to go back to bendigo and never return to the seniors.
At the moment his form problems are seeing him trying that hard to get his hands on the footy that he has actually forgotten about doing the team things when needed. He nearly got Lonergan killed on the weekend by attempting to get to a contest and take a mark rather than just blocking out his oponent. He also failed to sheppherd a couple of times becasue he was calling for a dinky 1 meter handball. He has also lead to the same spots as other forwards bringing in another defender to the contest.
He is not as good as he was but he has to sort out his game. To find form he has to realise that he can not play like he did 2 years ago. IMO he has to go back and find some good form for Bendigo and if he can not do that in a 3 or 4 week period then he should give it away.
Ant
I dont think that we are in disagreement about Lucas.
You want him to find form ( hopefully ) at Bendigo - He either finds form at Bendigo, or he is finished.
I am suggesting that he is FINISHED - and would rather EFC restructure the forward line immediately.
The one part of the game plan that is not working, is the forward line.
Do you think that Lucas will play this week ?
Anyway, it is good to see that Fletcher has committed to playing another year.
Fletcher's stabilising influence down back gives the coaching staff the ability to tinker with the forward line.
ATM Can't remember much about his previous quite performances this year so I'll just comment on the Pies game. IMO he was playing too deep. Just finished watching the replay of the game, shocking early but was quite good when he went up the ground in the second half, his kicking into the 50 is some of the best in the side, not pinpoint but always to advantage. Seems to still have his engine, just lost a lot of pace off the mark and will continue to be exposed if we play him inside 50.
I agree.
One of the issues was that the coaching team knew that Lloyd would be picked up by Prestigiacomo and wanted Lloyd to play further up the ground to get Presti after his comfort zone - alas that didnt work.
This caused Lucas to be played in adeeper forward role, when he is best suited around the Half forward line.
this call is very premature
its round 5, he had a very serious knee operation and he hasnt really played much since knights took over as coach. he would still be getting used to the game plan moreso then everyone else... last year lloyd wasnt time his leads right at tall because he didnt understand the game plan, you never know when we are going to stop handballing and kick it long, this makes it hard for leading forwards.
secondly who do we bring in for lucas? and dont tell me hooker he is definately nto ready to hold down a KPF post.
neagle is showing next to nothing in the vfl and shouldnt be included, he doesnt understand which balls to go to and how to protect other forwards..
Collingwood played their third tall Goldsack on Lucas.
Unfortunately their second tall, O'Brien played on Davey and performed well.
lucas even if he isnt kicking goals he is dragging a key defender out of the goal square and away from lloyd and that is vital.. he will find form im confident of it.
Collingwood played their third tall Goldsack on Lucas.
This allowed Collingwood to play O'Brien on davey.