Do we have the most promising list in the competition?

[lamaros]

There are a number of players in our team who I have thought would be genuinely good players, even possible superstars, but what has been the most promising this year is how quickly these guys seem to be comming on. On top of that there are signs that others players, who I thought might only be decent players, or not even make the grade, are also stepping up to AFL quality level.

First the genuine quality young players that I will stake my reputation on.

Dempsey

I used to doubt Dempsey. I thought he was too small for AFL and too much of an outside guy, afraid to get physical and just be a ball carrier. I'm happy to say I was wrong. A lot of that doubt seemed to come from Dempsey's injury issues and his doubt about his body, not about his skill and effort, and now that he is managing to string some games together he is showing not only that he has great skills and speed, but that he has genuine quality as a defender. If he can build himself up and keep this confidence he can only only be a quality player, but potentialy an elite midfielder/half back of the competition.

Gumbleton

I don't care if he's only played 5 games. I've seen enough of him to declare that if his body gets right he will be the future key forward for the club.

Pears

From the first game I saw him play I thought he would be something. Even though he's only 19 I am not surprised to see him doing the job on key forwards like Roughhead. What I am a little surprised at is how quickly he has been improving his use of the ball! If he keeps this up he will be more than just a quality key defender.

Ryder

Sooner than anyone expects Ryder will be a genuine star of the competition. He's been my favourite player from the first few games he played for the club, and many others EFC fans too, for good reason. He is that good and is only going to get a whole heap better.

Stanton

Stanton has only just turned 23. He has played over 100 games for the club and is one of the hardest running dependable possession getters in the competition. He improves every single year and it will probably come as some surprise to some people in a year or two just what a level he will have taken his game to.

Myers

It has become something of a trend with some fans this year to point to scapegoat Myers for not living up to the lofty expectations that they placed on him. This is not only unfair, for these hypocrites are the kind of people that will praise Zaharakis to kingdom come for games of lesser quality, just because they didn't see it comming, but also just flat out knee-jerk wrong. Myers is a genuine quality player and will be demonstrably so by as early as some time next season.

I have no doubts about any of the above becoming players of considerable quality, but I also have no doubts that there are other young guys on the list that have the potential to join them. They include:

Daniher, Hocking, Houli, Hooker, Hurley, Jetta, Lonergan, Monfries, Neagle, Prismall, Reimers, Zaharakis.

All of the above players have shown enough to suggest that they have AFL quality at the very least, and all of them are still young. You would expect a few of them to step up a numbers of levels within the next 2-5 years of their development and be a lot better than what they are now.

And of course there are those older quality players we have, who arguably have still not reached their peak footballing years:

Watson
Winderlich
Welsh
Davey
Slattery
Dyson

I would go as far as to say that there are only 7 guys on our list who are at their peak at the moment, and of that group only Lloyd, Fletcher, and Lucas are at the point where we don't know what we'll get from them in the future. The rest have at least 3 good years left in them, likely a few more.

Lloyd
Fletcher
Lucas
McVeigh
Hille
McPhee
Lovett

Given all this I think the signs are pretty promising for the Essendon football club over the next 4 years. In that time we can expect to lose Lucas, Lloyd and Fletcher, but will gain far far more in terms of development from our younger players.

Lucas has been having a bad year so far, yet the club has found other options allready. Fletcher might play for another 2-3 years with the condition he keeps himself in, and this is only a bonus to the young defenders at the club, who look like they will be able to manage without him by the time he goes. Even Lloyd looks like he won't be as huge a loss as we might have thought. For even if Neagle (who has huge promise, but also a lot of doubts) or Gumbleton (who only has injury to worry about) doesn't fully make it we have a number of other guys comming through as to feel that at least one of them will get there.

The fact is we're currently putting a team out on the park that has a large group of players with 5-10 years of football in them, during which they will only improve, and yet they are able to play some good football right now as well. All this bodes well not just for how much better this side can get over the rest of this year and the next, but how well placed we are to have a competitive improving team for years to come.

And unlike other promising young teams in the competition like Carlton, we can point at a list that looks to have promising young players all over the ground.

[eth-dog]

great post, and 100% agree with you. especially about Ryder

[bomberz08]

Totally agree with you, not so much with gumby, but then again he has been plagued with injury.

Still can't believe how young stanton is.

[Smokin]

the best part of it our list is that it is so balanced.

The cream on top is going to be Gumby getting over his back injury. As young key forwards is the last area which we need confirmation that we have the potential at AFL level. Im pretty happy with the mids/backs and Rucks to be honest. Most of em need about 20-30 games and another pre-season.

Id take ours over a certain media-darling team which to me is a totally unbalanced list that 3-4 certain injuries would render them uncompetitive against anyone.

[Strike Swiftly]

Ahhhhhh.............. YES! :D

Good OP by the way!

[dave_27]

Pick 2 Key Position forward from a highly touted draft is not a bad recruit to (hopefully have fit!!!) at our disposal next year. ;)

[FullFathom5]

I find it interesting that when we win, threads like this pop up. Our list appears more brilliant and the sun doth shine. When we lose, the tone is the other way. The value of players like Myers get questioned and whether Ryder is really the solution in the ruck.

While I agree that there is promise in the list, there is still the lack of a stellar player that will draw crowds and engender wonder. This list is yet to demonstrate consistency and the ability to win the games they should.

The jury is still well and truly out - they're expected back after another ten rounds.

[BringBackCransberg]

Great OP. If we have any more disappointing NM/Brisbane games this year I'm going to come back and read it. Spot on about Stants: he's the youngest guy in the comp with 100 games to his name, and is on an upward curve to stardom.

[BringBackCransberg]

I find it interesting that when we win, threads like this pop up.

[...]

While I agree that there is promise in the list, there is still the lack of a stellar player that will draw crowds and engender wonder.

[...]

The jury is still well and truly out - they're expected back after another ten rounds.

This thread is about the promise in the list. Not about how great we are, but about the position we have put ourselves in to be great in the future. That positioning is really starting to be something to be excited about. It doesn't require consistency, yet. Just signs. (One of those signs being the potential in our list for a "stellar player": Lovett, Winderlich, Stanton.....) This thread is about the promise in the list.

[lamaros]

I find it interesting that when we win, threads like this pop up. Our list appears more brilliant and the sun doth shine. When we lose, the tone is the other way. The value of players like Myers get questioned and whether Ryder is really the solution in the ruck.

Some people mgiht do, but you'll actually find that I never post such threads. I am the guy backing up Myers and Jetta and Dyson and Laycock when they get slagged, you only have to look in their threads to see that. I have my doubts on some guys (Houli, Neagle, Reimers) but I never post threads bagging them. I'm aware they're young and deserve a fair go.

While I agree that there is promise in the list, there is still the lack of a stellar player that will draw crowds and engender wonder. This list is yet to demonstrate consistency and the ability to win the games they should.

Ryder is that kind of player when he is taking his great marks and kicking goals, and Gumby could get there too. The fact that the current game day team (not list, for we must remember we're missing about 4 first team players this year) is up and down is to be expected when half of them haven't played 25 games of AFL football. The fact that they can knock off other teams when up is only a good sign, though.

[Mad Bomber Sean]

Good OP

Even Lloyd looks like he won't be as huge a loss as we might have thought. For even if Neagle (who has huge promise, but also a lot of doubts) or Gumbleton (who only has injury to worry about) doesn't fully make it we have a number of other guys comming through as to feel that at least one of them will get there.


I hope that you are right on this point.

Other than Gumby & Neagle we dont have many guys recruited to play this position left. Of the alternatives we have only seen them for a short time ( basically in defence ) and this is not sufficient to suggest that we have any guys who can replace a 900 goal kicking machine like Lloyd. This forward problem aside from last nights efforts, appears to be a current concern and the retirement of Lloyd will only amplify it I feel.

To solve this forward line problem we should experiment with playing Hooker, Daniher & Hurley down there in parts this year + aggressively recruit via draft or trading a Full Fwd. At worst Neagle & Gumby will have some genuine competition for a spot in out fwd line.

[james_omahoney]

Good OP



I hope that you are right on this point.

Other than Gumby & Neagle we dont have many guys recruited to play this position left. Of the alternatives we have only seen them for a short time ( basically in defence ) and this is not sufficient to suggest that we have any guys who can replace a 900 goal kicking machine like Lloyd. This forward problem aside from last nights efforts, appears to be a current concern and the retirement of Lloyd will only amplify it I feel.

To solve this forward line problem we should experiment with playing Hooker, Daniher & Hurley down there in parts this year + aggressively recruit via draft or trading a Full Fwd. At worst Neagle & Gumby will have some genuine competition for a spot in out fwd line.

We picked up Michael Still, who despite being eligible to play TAC cup again this year, kicked the second most amount of goals in the comp last year.

:)

[FullFathom5]

This thread is about the promise in the list. Not about how great we are, but about the position we have put ourselves in to be great in the future. That positioning is really starting to be something to be excited about. It doesn't require consistency, yet. Just signs. (One of those signs being the potential in our list for a "stellar player": Lovett, Winderlich, Stanton.....) This thread is about the promise in the list.

Promise as a concept is so double-edged. It's the human equivalent of hope - keeping supporters interested and involved. My point is that as fans, it's important to keep a balanced view and not look too far ahead of where you are.

Promise in itself is only ever rewarding and satisfying if consistency is achieved. Without this conversion to consistent performance, then continuing to believe only in promise is only deluding oneself.

One can say that Fremantle is a team full of promise and despite its strong fiscal position, their inconsistency can only frustrate supporters.

[Lance Uppercut]

great OP. We'll be inconsistent this year, but we have some serious promise going forwards

[Paddywhackers]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton. That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

You also have no promising KPF's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace Lloyd who was BOG against the Hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

You tanked in 06 and got Gumbleton Jetta and Hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the Bombers in games such as against the Hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseable future. Carlton are a threat so I barrack against them. I hat both teams equally.

[BringBackCransberg]

Promise as a concept is so double-edged. It's the human equivalent of hope - keeping supporters interested and involved. My point is that as fans, it's important to keep a balanced view and not look too far ahead of where you are.

Promise in itself is only ever rewarding and satisfying if consistency is achieved. Without this conversion to consistent performance, then continuing to believe only in promise is only deluding oneself.

One can say that Fremantle is a team full of promise and despite its strong fiscal position, their inconsistency can only frustrate supporters.

I think I know what you're saying, but I'm a little confused. If promise in a list is the same as hope in a human, then it needs to be based on something (to be rational). I think we agree on that. So what I'm saying is that the OP was just trying to show that the purported promise in our list is actually based on something. That is, I agree that it's important not to look too far ahead, but as far as looking at the present goes, the signs are there for an exciting future, and that's better than an absence of those signs. And, considering that this is sport and not a life-or-death operation, that's enough to get excited about.

I don't think that thinking in this way is potentially setting us up (as fans) for a frustrating fall, but just looking at the positives in an inconsistent season. I don't think anyone expects consistency from our inexperienced list until next season at earliest -- no one's "deluding" themselves yet, in that regard, because we haven't had the chance. And if it all goes to shit, well, I've been a proud supporter all through the dark times. Besides, it's Essendon. There'll be a premiership eventually, just like there'll be an earthquake in San Francisco eventually. We're on a glorious faultline.

[kelvin_sheedy]

ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... But i am far more worried about carlton. That being said, i know collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of beams and sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

You also have no promising kpf's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace lloyd who was bog against the hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

You tanked in 06 and got gumbleton jetta and hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

You beat us yes... But we were woeful that day too.

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the bombers in games such as against the hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseable future. Carlton are a threat so i barrack against them. I hat both teams equally.

zaharakis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Colin D'Cops]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton.

I'm far more worried playing Carlton than Collingwood also. Collingwood are, what can I say; A club that like to smell the roses a little too much to put it nicely. Perhaps they should start focussing more on winning some premierships, or even a single premiership; It might happen in the next 20 years. Stay loyal.

That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

Keep telling yourself that mate. I could name a fair few midfielders off the top of my head that will be better than Beams in the not to distant future, that came from the same draft. I suggest you take those rose coloured glasses off mate.

You also have no promising KPF's.

Says a Collingwood supporter? Ha!

'Well, Rocca's not doing too well, but he'll come good. Cloke's still young, he'll come good. We're doing well in that department, just need some luck. Rusling will be the next Wayne Carey, with regards to his dodgy shoulders will kill the competition on the scoreboard when he gets on the park. One day it'll all fall into place and me might be able to win a flag...'

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

I've got a phone with credit; Do you wanna tell someone who cares?

[Spikey]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton. That being said, I know Essendon will be right up there with them, particularly with the recruitment of Zaharakis as he is one of the best midfielders in the super draft.

You also have no promising KPF's. Cloke looks woeful. You still need to replace Rocca despite him doing nothing of note for two seasons.

You tanked in 05 and got Thomas, Stanley and Cook. Thomas has only shown that he is a soft show-pony.

We beat you yes... as we were woeful that day too.

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the Pies in games such as against the Hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseeable future. Carlton are a threat so I barrack against them. I hate both teams equally.

Thank you come again
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[BringBackCransberg]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton. That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

You also have no promising KPF's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace Lloyd who was BOG against the Hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

You tanked in 06 and got Gumbleton Jetta and Hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the Bombers in games such as against the Hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseable future. Carlton are a threat so I barrack against them. I hat both teams equally.

I don't understand how our list isn't balanced. The only area you point to is forwards: I flat out disagree about Gumbleton (have you seen him play, at any level?), Neagle is a 50/50 chance, we've got Still in the oven and enough left in Lloyd's tank to allow us another draft (you said he was BOG this week). On top of that we've a couple of ruckmen who inevitably kick goals when 'resting' forward (one's called Hille, the other did alright against your mob). And I wouldn't expect you to know that Hurley has shown as much talent going forward as half the draft. Oh, and with an average of 9 goalkickers per round so far this year (with 3 losses) our gameplan isn't reliant on having a couple of dominant forwards.

And with our defence and midfield showing all the right signs, and then some, we will be in a very good position to trade for a key forward, should Neagle/Gumbleton fail to materialise.

I mean, I am biased, being an Essendon supporter, and you are mentally disadvantaged, being a Collingwood supporter, but there's very little substance to your post.

[Paddywhackers]

Keep telling yourself that mate. I could name a fair few midfielders off the top of my head that will be better than Beams in the not to distant future, that came from the same draft. I suggest you take those rose coloured glasses off mate. ?

Are you kidding... Beams atm sits alongside Ziebell and Rich is at this stage slightly ahead. Sidebottom ahows signs he will be a player too.



'Well, Rocca's not doing too well, but he'll come good. Cloke's still young, he'll come good. We're doing well in that department, just need some luck. Rusling will be the next Wayne Carey, with regards to his dodgy shoulders will kill the competition on the scoreboard when he gets on the park. One day it'll all fall into place and me might be able to win a flag...'[/QUOTE]


Cloke is out of form but is proven he is a good footballer. Anthony has a tick as well. Rocca is gone and is having little influence. Lloyd is still probably your best player. He is 31 and influential in alot of your wins. People are pinning there hopes on Gumbleton who is about as advanced as Reid in develpment. It is for these reasons that I can safetly say, Essendon fans are basing their opinions on hope rather than players having runs on the board.

[Spikey]

Paddy, please tell me some of your team's future key backs, key forwards and ruckmen

[BringBackCransberg]

Cloke is out of form but is proven he is a good footballer. Anthony has a tick as well. Rocca is gone and is having little influence. Lloyd is still probably your best player. He is 31 and influential in alot of your wins. People are pinning there hopes on Gumbleton who is about as advanced as Reid in develpment. It is for these reasons that I can safetly say, Essendon fans are basing their opinions on hope rather than players having runs on the board.

This thread is about opinions based on hope, not runs on the board. That's why it's concerned with our list's promise. When we talk about runs on the board we talk about wins against Hawthorn, Carlton, Collingwood etc. Quite a bit to talk about there, actually.

Or would you prefer to talk about 'runs on the board' with regard to premierships?

[Paddywhackers]

Look guys... You've been woeful for a number of years. you've had a good win against a team that played terribly. (Hodge was a cripple in that game)...

Look I'll be back in a month to bump this thread and have a good laugh. Fair dinkum... For some reason Essendon fans suffer the worst from rose couloures glasses disease. LOL Back in a month guys.

[kelvin_sheedy]

look guys... You've been woeful for a number of years. You've had a good win against a team that played terribly. (hodge was a cripple in that game)...

Look i'll be back in a month to bump this thread and have a good laugh. Fair dinkum... For some reason essendon fans suffer the worst from rose couloures glasses disease. Lol back in a month guys.

zaharakis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spikey]

Paddy, please tell me some of your team's future key backs, key forwards and ruckmen


So I won't be getting an answer? I didn't really expect a decent answer. But you could have at least given it a try instead of running off with your tail between your legs.

[Colin D'Cops]

Are you kidding... Beams atm sits alongside Ziebell and Rich is at this stage slightly ahead.

Sitting alongside Ziebell? F*ck me; I give up. Take your Collingwood hat off just for a couple of minutes, not hard.

Cloke is out of form but is proven he is a good footballer. Anthony has a tick as well.

Cloke is and always will be a dud. He has had what, ONE good season? I'd brag about that as well! And Anthony, well he is showing some good signs but he is yet to prove himself as a consistant forward with REAL presence, not head butting people in the balls when struggling.

Lloyd is still probably your best player.

Probably? Yes or no? Lets not dance around the bush here. If you take your biased Collingwood supporting hat off, I think you'll find plenty of reasons why infact he isn't our most important player.

People are pinning there hopes on Gumbleton who is about as advanced as Reid in develpment..

Pinning what hopes? We have won against Carlton, Hawthorn & Collingwood who were all touted as realistic top four chances. And lets not forget; McVeigh, Welsh, Reimers, Prismall, Hille, Skipworth & Fletcher were sitting on the sidelines against last years premiers. We don't pin hopes on players, rather stick to the facts. The level of success an AFL has is measured by the number of premierships won. Your club hasn't got the message, obviously. But stay loyal, it'll come. Well it should, maybe in the next twenty years.

[Colin D'Cops]

Look guys... You've been woeful for a number of years..

This guy MUST be a troll. He knows Essendon have won sixteen premierships, right?

[lamaros]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton. That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

Beams looks like he has some promise but it is way too early to make any claims about how good he might be. Sidebottom hasn't played a game yet. :rolleyes:

You also have no promising KPF's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace Lloyd who was BOG against the Hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

Monfries, Stanton and Winderlich were all well ahead of Lloyd. We have Gumbleton, who you must have never seen play, because he's got excellent skills, Neagle, Daniher, Hurley, Still, Williams, and many more besides who can fill in to a forward role if needed. Plus we have goal kicking ruckmen in Hille, Laycock and Ryder, and goal kicking mids in Lovett, Stanton, McVeigh, Winderlich, with forwards like Monfries, Davey, Jetta and... enough to say I'm not especially worried about our chances of kicking goals if we get the midfield right.

You tanked in 06 and got Gumbleton Jetta and Hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

The first is not only incorrect but also meaningless. The second also. Hilarious call on the tanking btw. :rolleyes:

Are you kidding... Beams atm sits alongside Ziebell and Rich is at this stage slightly ahead. Sidebottom ahows signs he will be a player too.

:D Hilarious.

[BringBackCransberg]

Take your Collingwood hat off just for a couple of minutes, not hard.

It's actually not that easy, lacking opposable thumbs.

[lamaros]

LOL Back in a month guys.

Promise? You know the word? Maybe you are confused? It doesn't mean for the next month... oh wait.. Collingwood...

;)

[Knight Ryders]

Lloydy was hugely influential against the Pies if I remember rightly. One goal was it?

Still a great player, but I think we proved last night (without Fletcher, McVeigh, Hille, Welsh, Prismall etc) that we are not reliant on one player anymore. Our best recruits over the last two years has been Knights and Richardson - doing a great job!!!

Collingwood are a very solid team, but we closer to winning a premiership than Collingwood. Come and revisit that one shit for brains.

[Colin D'Cops]

And to the OP; Please don't make a thread much like this again on the board pumping up our own tyres. It attracts tossers of all sorts, if you have a positive feeling like I did last night; Add to the threads already made.

Much appreciated.

[joffa_2]

Plus we have goal kicking ruckmen in Hille, Laycock and Ryder

LOL:p

[GuzzLG]

Look guys... You've been woeful for a number of years. you've had a good win against a team that played terribly. (Hodge was a cripple in that game)...

Look I'll be back in a month to bump this thread and have a good laugh. Fair dinkum... For some reason Essendon fans suffer the worst from rose couloures glasses disease. LOL Back in a month guys.
Back of the pack is Winderlich, quick handball to Hocking, back to Lovett-Murray.

He goes short... to Zaharakis.

Zaharakis kicks a goal!!!! Bombers in front at the 'G.

:thumbsu:

[hateitorlovett13]

Beams looks like he has some promise but it is way too early to make any claims about how good he might be. Sidebottom hasn't played a game yet. :rolleyes:



Monfries, Stanton and Winderlich were all well ahead of Lloyd. We have Gumbleton, who you must have never seen play, because he's got excellent skills, Neagle, Daniher, Hurley, Still, Williams, and many more besides who can fill in to a forward role if needed. Plus we have goal kicking ruckmen in Hille, Laycock and Ryder, and goal kicking mids in Lovett, Stanton, McVeigh, Winderlich, with forwards like Monfries, Davey, Jetta and... enough to say I'm not especially worried about our chances of kicking goals if we get the midfield right.



The first is not only incorrect but also meaningless. The second also. Hilarious call on the tanking btw. :rolleyes:



:D Hilarious.

Watson not worth a mention? But yeah...we have a lot of potential there. Very encouraging against the Hawks- best game I have seen us execute in a very long time.

It will be interesting to see what happens with our seeming abundance of defenders and lack of specialist young forwards. I can see Hurley and Daniher playing up forward a lot, with Ryder resting up forward and interchanging with Bellchambers. Lloyd can play another 2 or 3 seasons depending on injuries.

All in all, I really don't think we have much of a problem at all. The mention of Carlton being more of a threat is ignorantly hipocritical- where is their forward line douchebag? Oh right, I forgot. Fev and... ummm... Betts? Oh wait, and backline. Let's just say they've got a good midfield and nothing else- I think our full list is considerably more promising all round than Carltons.

And Collingwood? Your on the decline champ. Shit coach, soft players. Beams looks like a player, Sidebottom we will see. Better than Rich and Hill? Laughable.

EDIT: Not having a go at you lamaros.

[Bombertastic]

I find it interesting that when we win, threads like this pop up. Our list appears more brilliant and the sun doth shine. When we lose, the tone is the other way. The value of players like Myers get questioned and whether Ryder is really the solution in the ruck.

While I agree that there is promise in the list, there is still the lack of a stellar player that will draw crowds and engender wonder. This list is yet to demonstrate consistency and the ability to win the games they should.

The jury is still well and truly out - they're expected back after another ten rounds.

I have found promise in both victory and defeat this season. There is always going to be inconsistant performances with a developing list but even our loses have shown that we can bounce back and the team still believes in itself.

I don't think we really need that "superstar" persay. There is enough eagar wonder in players like Zaka, Reimers and Ryder.

All I hope this year is that the boys continue to give it a shot and enjoy themselves. It's clear that we will continue to play hard exciting football from here on out and no doubt the performances may suffer from inconsistancey but Essendon will always be exciting to watch and dangerous under Knights.

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton. That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

You also have no promising KPF's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace Lloyd who was BOG against the Hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

You tanked in 06 and got Gumbleton Jetta and Hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the Bombers in games such as against the Hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseable future. Carlton are a threat so I barrack against them. I hat both teams equally.
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[stay true]

Geez it's embarrassing when idiots like our good friend paddywackers come along and share their opinions on topics that they have very little factual knowledge on and try to tell us how it is.

Get a clue buddy. You'll find your arguments are much more credible when you're not making things up to suit your agenda.;)

[Smokin]

Why even converse with somebody like that?

The bit about Lloyd makes me laugh - like many of the clowns on the main board keep insisting we were relying on our old players, now it is becoming ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that this isnt the case, so brain surgeons like this bloke are hanging their hat on us relying on Lloyd - who has played 2 good games this season thus far.

They are simply in denial and have no idea on our list. They arent worth educating. They will see, in time, how reality sets in.

The obvious troll nature of his post was the comment on our apparent un balanced list, yet mentioned Carlton as a big danger.

[GmeUP]

Ease up on Paddywacker he has some valid points. I mean Collingwood have some great young players coming through like Pendlebury and umm...... did I already say Pendlebury.... and then theres that guy named Pendlebury.

Shit out of a 40 man list Collingwood have 1 decent player they are very well balanced equally shit across the board!

[Ben the Gooner]

zaharakis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


zaharakis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love you kelvin.

[Smyth94]

Are you kidding... Beams atm sits alongside Ziebell and Rich is at this stage slightly ahead. Sidebottom ahows signs he will be a player too.



'Well, Rocca's not doing too well, but he'll come good. Cloke's still young, he'll come good. We're doing well in that department, just need some luck. Rusling will be the next Wayne Carey, with regards to his dodgy shoulders will kill the competition on the scoreboard when he gets on the park. One day it'll all fall into place and me might be able to win a flag...'


Cloke is out of form but is proven he is a good footballer. Anthony has a tick as well. Rocca is gone and is having little influence. Lloyd is still probably your best player. He is 31 and influential in alot of your wins. People are pinning there hopes on Gumbleton who is about as advanced as Reid in develpment. It is for these reasons that I can safetly say, Essendon fans are basing their opinions on hope rather than players having runs on the board.[/quote]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton. That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

You also have no promising KPF's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace Lloyd who was BOG against the Hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

You tanked in 06 and got Gumbleton Jetta and Hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the Bombers in games such as against the Hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseable future. Carlton are a threat so I barrack against them. I hat both teams equally.

Zaharakis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smyth94]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton. That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

Beams is doing well, needs to fix up his disposal a little but Sidebottom has played 0 AFL games - You are a pathetic hypocrit, you always troll our posters saying we keep spruiking our kids who according to you haven't shown anything at AFL level yet here you are on OUR BOARD telling us how Sidebottom IS the 'best midfielder in the super draft' epic lolz!

You also have no promising KPF's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace Lloyd who was BOG against the Hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

I see the green eyed monster has struck - Love the comment about Neagle - yes he has been a tad disappointing but he has talent, 8 possies and 2 goals against the reigning premiers proves that.

I wonder what you'd be saying if Reid had a game like that.


You tanked in 06 and got Gumbleton Jetta and Hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

What worrying signs? Like how he took a pack mark over Morris and Lake to kick a goal? Yep very worrying. The only worry with Gumbleton is his injury issues, which are well documented.

You mention Gumbleton, Jetta and Hislop - what about Bachar Houli and Kyle Reimers (our two rising star nominations from last year) or did you conveniently forget? In case you missed Houli racked up 20 possies against the reigning premier.

I don't think we need to remind you about Reimers but what the heck:

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Oh I almost forgot - there's a bloke called Alwyn Davey who goes alright :thumbsu:

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

Zaharakis!!!

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the Bombers in games such as against the Hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseable future. Carlton are a threat so I barrack against them. I hat both teams equally

"wahhh, wahhh, wahhh"

Are you kidding... Beams atm sits alongside Ziebell and Rich is at this stage slightly ahead. Sidebottom ahows signs he will be a player too.

Beams alongside Ziebell - ROFL


Cloke is out of form but is proven he is a good footballer. Anthony has a tick as well. Rocca is gone and is having little influence. Lloyd is still probably your best player. He is 31 and influential in alot of your wins. People are pinning there hopes on Gumbleton who is about as advanced as Reid in develpment. It is for these reasons that I can safetly say, Essendon fans are basing their opinions on hope rather than players having runs on the board.

We're pinning our hopes on Ryder, Dempsey, Reimers, Hurley, Pears, Daniher, Bellchambers, Davey, Jetta, Houli, Neagle, Zaharakis, Gumbleton, Myers, Lonergan, Monfries, Watson, Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett and a few more I have forgotten.

[dave_27]

I have been on this board for years now and I have NEVER seen another poster wite more about Essendons list because they are insecure than Paddywackers.

Their is actually a few pies fans obsessed with putting down Essendons list over the years. They are mentally challenged individuals.

[bOmBeR_BoY1]

They are still mentally stung from their Anzac Day capitulation in the final minutes.

With this current list of players we will now have confidence whenever we play Collingwood that we can peg them back from any position.

[Smyth94]

I have been on this board for years now and I have NEVER seen another poster wite more about Essendons list because they are insecure than Paddywackers.

Their is actually a few pies fans obsessed with putting down Essendons list over the years. They are mentally challenged individuals.

He's dead set s****ing himself isn't he? I guess decades of mediocrity will do that to ya.

[Mad Bomber Sean]

I have been on this board for years now and I have NEVER seen another poster wite more about Essendons list because they are insecure than Paddywackers.

Their is actually a few pies fans obsessed with putting down Essendons list over the years. They are mentally challenged individuals.

Totally agree 157% :thumbsu::D

That kind of rant by Paddywackers suggests he feels very very threatened by Essendons power and potential & ultra modern game plan !

[Age Of SMD]

I think Melbourne have the most promising list going forward but yours is definetly close and very promising ;)

Maybe we can see another Melbourne/Essendon Grand Final in the next few years...this time however, the result will be different :D

[Kong]

I think Melbourne have the most promising list going forward but yours is definetly close and very promising ;)

Maybe we can see another Melbourne/Essendon Grand Final in the next few years...this time however, the result will be different :DYour mob certainly do have a very promising young list.

[SirJimi05]

Didn't Essendon beat Collingwood in round 19 of 2006?

Surely if they were tanking they would have rolled over in that game to be assured of securing the number 1 draft pick?

Going into that game they were bottom of the ladder so if they were tanking there is no way in the world they would have won that game.

Interestingly enough in this game the Essendon played Lucas, Fletcher, Hird, Jason Johnson, David Hille and Adam Mcphee. These players would have been regarded as Essendons 6 best and most important players at the time with the exception of Matthew Lloyd who tore his hammy off the bone and was out for the season.

Why the hell would you play all your best players so late in the season in a game which so important to lose if you were tanking. It makes about as much sense as PaddyWankers posts!

[The Donners]

Ok... This is a genuine post. I hate them both... but I am far more worried about Carlton.

Then you know nothing about football. Take a look at Carlton's bottom 10 players, look at their ruck, their CHF line, their backline etc. Judd will be finished by the time their young players are "ripe", he's already having less impact and he's lost a touch of speed.

That being said, I know Collingwood will be right up there with them, particuarly with the recruitments of Beams and Sidebottom who respectively are two of the best midfielders in the super draft.

You also have no promising KPF's. Neagle looks woeful. You still need to replace Lloyd who was BOG against the Hawks who although are the reigning premiers were insipid.

Neagle has played 10 games and this year has averaged more goals than Travis Cloke. Where is Ben Reid???

You tanked in 06 and got Gumbleton Jetta and Hislop. Gumbleton has shown nothing and there were some very worrying signs in the wizard cup.

Pears, Dempsey, Daniher, Zaharakis, Hocking, Hooker etc hadn't shown anything before this season either. Perhaps you shouldn't comment if you don't know anything about our list! Also, we don't tank! ;)

You beat us yes... but we were woeful that day too.

Your list is very unbalanced. I don't want you getting draft picks and have no problems supporting the Bombers in games such as against the Hawks. Because you are no threat this year or the foreseable future. Carlton are a threat so I barrack against them. I hat both teams equally.

Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn all played shit against Essendon, noticing a pattern?

We've got McVeigh, Hurley, Prismall, Welsh and Reimers to name just 5 to come back into the team. Remember the fact we beat Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn without them.

Also, you can't say Gumbleton hasn't shown anything and Sidebottom is one of the best midfielders of the '08 national draft.

Come back when we win a premiership before Carlton and Collingwood!

[Lance Uppercut]

don't feed the troll ;)

[The Donners]

Are you kidding... Beams atm sits alongside Ziebell and Rich is at this stage slightly ahead. Sidebottom ahows signs he will be a player too.

Take your hand off it, Beams is the next Mitch Robinson. He'll be off to the Gold Coast anyhow! ;)

Cloke is out of form but is proven he is a good footballer.

Cloke has been out of form since 2007, perhaps the opposition have worked him out and he isn't good enough to take his game to another level. He peaked young and you'll get serviceable at best out of him, he's a Cloke, what were you expecting???

[Yaaablett]

Pears, Hooker, Daniher, Hurley down back.

Neagle, Ryder, Gumbleton forward.

You certainly have the best young/potential key position players of any side. If the club can develop and/or draft a midfield unit there will be no stopping you. A ruckman would top it off.

Your recruiting man deserves a lot of credit.

[lamaros]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25469531-19742,00.html

Essendon's youth mission finally vindicated

ADRIAN Dodoro sat on the pine in the Kevin Sheedy era, as the communication link between the coach's box and ground level.

Last Friday night, as Matthew Knights fired off messages, Dodoro was just another face in the stands.

There was no scarf-waving, but the Essendon recruiting manager liked what he saw.

"Gee, it was exciting to watch," Dodoro said yesterday.

When you're in charge of list management at a high-profile club that has finished 12th or lower four years running, cutting criticism is a fact of life.

Finally, Dodoro is feeling a sense of vindication.

[table tennis]

Is there some sort of connection about Paddywhacker disappearing from this thread after the saints towled them by 88 points???

We are probably up for a pantsing this weekend, however, im guessing we will put up a better performance than what was put up by the pies on Monday.

Geez Collingwood supporters need to get a grip. The whole We played bad on that day is not an excuse. bad teams play bad. Not good teams having a day down.

Collingwood season so far Rd1 - "Bad day" Against Adelaide At the G, Rd 5 Bad day against the Bombers at the G, Rd 7 Bad day against Saints.... I wonder which excuse they will come up with when Carlton smash them this week.

[stay true]

The long list of outs meant Essendon fielded its youngest team since Champion Data kept tracking average ages in 1990.
Which other club in the competition would win with half of its best team out?

Not bad. :D

[Ryder_Hooker]

Cloke has been out of form since 2007, perhaps the opposition have worked him out and he isn't good enough to take his game to another level. He peaked young and you'll get serviceable at best out of him, he's a Cloke, what were you expecting???

Once cloke rids himself of his fake tan, hair tips and fake nails he will hit form. Dud like the rest of em....

[Ludwig van Bertstare]

Certainly a lot better than Collingwood and Carlton.

[Spikey]

Mind if I bump this thread Paddy?

[Colin D'Cops]

We won 3 of the 4 quarters this evening against the Saints, unlucky not to come away with the win. With McVeigh, Prismall, Reimers, Welsh, Skipworth, Fletcher & Hille still to come-back in; I think it's fair to say there's plenty to look forward to.

:thumbsu:

[Valve Bounce]

No! Collingwood does. They only just lost to Carlton today. Mick promises they will do better next week. :o

[bOmBeR_BoY1]

Nothing I saw tonight has persuaded me to disagree with the thread title.

However, there is a big difference between actually HAVING the BEST list to having the most PROMOSING list.

The depth the club will have within the next 12 to 18 months is going to be nothing short of outstanding, we just have to put up with setbacks like this evening. Having said that, I can handle losing like we did tonight with our younger guys and having an absolute red hot crack.

We lost to Port and Lions by around 6 goals this year, yes, on the road as we know and we have never travelled well, but even in those games I felt we were having a decent enough crack to be satisfied with the direction of the team.

[Paddywhackers]

Look guys... You've been woeful for a number of years. you've had a good win against a team that played terribly. (Hodge was a cripple in that game)...

Look I'll be back in a month to bump this thread and have a good laugh. Fair dinkum... For some reason Essendon fans suffer the worst from rose couloures glasses disease. LOL Back in a month guys.

I said I would back in a month didn't I. I always keep to my promises. Fair to say Collingwood has a better list than Essendons. Paddywackers owns this thread, as he owns Essendon supporters on bigfooty.

[Paddywhackers]

Promise? You know the word? Maybe you are confused? It doesn't mean for the next month... oh wait.. Collingwood...

;)

You ****ing bet ya I keep to my word... :thumbsu:

[Ben the Gooner]

I said I would back in a month didn't I. I always keep to my promises. Fair to say Collingwood has a better list than Essendons. Paddywackers owns this thread, as he owns Essendon supporters on bigfooty.

_veayKpZiVI

Lovett-Murray. Gets it to Zaharakis. Zaharakis has kicked...a goal. THE BOMBERS ARE IN FRONT AT THE G.

[Paddywhackers]

Totally agree 157% :thumbsu::D

That kind of rant by Paddywackers suggests he feels very very threatened by Essendons power and potential & ultra modern game plan !

LOL... :thumbsu:

[kelvin_sheedy]

Zaharakis!!!!!!!!!!

!!!

[bOmBeR_BoY1]

Wow - here it comes again for another crack, like clockwork, conveniently only after they ever win a game or have some degree of form. Wins over the 13th and 16th placed sides and a desperately out-of-form Port Adelaide in Melbourne and Collingwood all of a sudden has the superior list and is apparently all the rage.

If we had Collingwood's draw in the first 11 games, got little doubt we'd also be 6-5 or 7-4 with a healthy percentage. Still a lot of football to play and things will gradually even out, got no doubt.

[kelvin_sheedy]

z a h a r a k i s!!!!

[Paddywhackers]

Wow - here it comes again for another crack, like clockwork, conveniently only after they ever win a game or have some degree of form. .

I said in a patronizing tone that you had had a couple of good wind, and that I would be back in a month... It has been almost exactly a month. Nothing convenient about it, I have kept to my promise. :) ;)

[Ben the Gooner]

I said in a patronizing tone that you had had a couple of good wind, and that I would be back in a month... It has been almost exactly a month. Nothing convenient about it, I have kept to my promise. :) ;)

Refer to posts 66, 68 and 70.;)

[bOmBeR_BoY1]

A month where you have played Carlton, West Coast, Port Adelaide (in Melbourne) & Melbourne. Wow, how convenient of you to set that as your monthly return. You were always going to win at least three of those games.

A month where we have played St Kilda, Richmond, Geelong, Adelaide (in Melbourne - who also defeated the Pies in similar circumstances). We were only ever going to win one, possibly two, of those games.

You've won one whole game more than us at the end of Round 11 and got no doubt who has had the tougher last few weeks. Don't get too excited just yet.

[kelvin_sheedy]

zzzaaahhhaaarrraaakkkiiisss!!!!!!

[AndyLesPaul]

But i hear Collingwood has a pissweak draw in comparison to ours for the whole year.

[centurion]

I said I would back in a month didn't I. I always keep to my promises. Fair to say Collingwood has a better list than Essendons. Paddywackers owns this thread, as he owns Essendon supporters on bigfooty.

Paddywackers should try and own a pair of pants before he comes and sprouts his bullshit on the Essendon board.

[bacon buster]

I said in a patronizing tone that you had had a couple of good wind, and that I would be back in a month... It has been almost exactly a month. Nothing convenient about it, I have kept to my promise. :) ;)

well done on beating melbourne :thumbsu:

[Paddywhackers]

hey guys... I'll be back again in another month... ;)

[Mr Mosquito]

hey guys... I'll be back again in another month... ;)

Who are u? U gonna be back to give our list it deserves?

[stay true]

hey guys... I'll be back again in another month... ;)
You are soo awesome dude.

Your concept of a teams potential being 100% relative to their current ladder position is indisputable.

[Vitamin K]

Just wondering how you guys rate Prizza? Given that a few of the promising list that the OP was talking about are actually a bit younger was it a good move getting him on board? Was gutted for the bloke when he went out after finally stringing a few games together for Geelong so I'd love to see him make a big impression for the Dons.

Loving the Bomber's game at the moment - particularly against Carlton, Hawks and Collingwood.

[Colin D'Cops]

hey guys... I'll be back again in another month... ;)

To PaddyWackers,

Please don't. I don't want to hear that rubbish yet again.

Yours sincerely,
GS.

[Colin D'Cops]

Just wondering how you guys rate Prizza?

We rate him very highly. We're all just waiting for him to string a few games together before we go and brag! Looking forward to watching him next year, with a full preseason under his belt.

[Andre 2000]

That was the first time I've properly watched Prizza play. I liked very much what I saw. He was rusty but showed off his skills a couple of times.

What surprised me most was the strength of his tackling. He does not allow a handball away from the tackle. Unlike some others against Adelaide.

[B-Bomber]

Just wondering how you guys rate Prizza? Given that a few of the promising list that the OP was talking about are actually a bit younger was it a good move getting him on board? Was gutted for the bloke when he went out after finally stringing a few games together for Geelong so I'd love to see him make a big impression for the Dons.

Loving the Bomber's game at the moment - particularly against Carlton, Hawks and Collingwood.

Pretty much echo what others have said. Though, I'm not going to expect too much till next year after he's got a full preseason post knee reco under his belt. Till then, anything we see from now till the end of the season is bonus :thumbsu:

[Mad Bomber Sean]

Whilst our list may rival other top clubs - our footy department spending and therefore our direct investment in player development doesnt..

Increase footy department spending NOW so that we can see the promise turn into finals action ASAP - even specialist handball coaches - god knows Houli needs it.. peace be upon him.

The best dont simply need the best - they deserve it..

[Paddywhackers]

hey guys... I'll be back again in another month... ;)

Hey guys. It's me again. You know, Paddywackers, the guy that bullies the Essendon football club and Essendon supporters on Bigfooty. That has stood over Essendon like a thug making sure that you don't ever come good and become like Richmond.

You have some promising youngsters but your list isn't anywhere near as promising as ours. I rate you better than Carlton though. If that helps.


We won by 35 points but I was dissapointed. We should have won by 10 goals. We played well below our capabilities make no mistake.

Great to see Fraser dominate the ruck. You guys overrate your kids more than most, and Ryder is the most overrated Bomber IMO. Fraser pwned him.

[Kong]

Hey guys. It's me again. You know, Paddywackers, the guy that bullies the Essendon football club and Essendon supporters on Bigfooty. That has stood over Essendon like a thug making sure that you don't ever come good and become like Richmond.

You have some promising youngsters but your list isn't anywhere near as promising as ours. I rate you better than Carlton though. If that helps.


We won by 35 points but I was dissapointed. We should have won by 10 goals. We played well below our capabilities make no mistake.

Great to see Fraser dominate the ruck. You guys overrate your kids more than most, and Ryder is the most overrated Bomber IMO. Fraser pwned him.Safe to say so did we. I only caught the last half, but from what I saw, we played rather ordinarily.

Congrats on the win. I still rate our list pretty highly; yours is simply about two years further developed.

[ButchEd8]

Safe to say so did we. I only caught the last half, but from what I saw, we played rather ordinarily.

Congrats on the win. I still rate our list pretty highly; yours is simply about two years further developed.

And then some!:cool:

[Colin D'Cops]

Fraser pwned him.

Still bitter about your mob losing against us on ANZAC Day and Ryder winning the ANZAC Day Medal, making Fraser look like a total fool?

I've got one word for you; ZAHARAKIS!

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[EFL Boy]

Bloody hell, the amount of Collingwood supporters that could not pronounce his name right (Zakarakis) really pissed me off.

You think they would have heard it enough times by now to at least get it right?

[GuzzLG]

I wish we could play Melbourne twice so we could sit high on the ladder like the pies. :(

[Jonesy1987]

Hey guys. It's me again. You know, Paddywackers, the guy that bullies the Essendon football club and Essendon supporters on Bigfooty. That has stood over Essendon like a thug making sure that you don't ever come good and become like Richmond.

You have some promising youngsters but your list isn't anywhere near as promising as ours. I rate you better than Carlton though. If that helps.


We won by 35 points but I was dissapointed. We should have won by 10 goals. We played well below our capabilities make no mistake.

Great to see Fraser dominate the ruck. You guys overrate your kids more than most, and Ryder is the most overrated Bomber IMO. Fraser pwned him.

**** off... you're too early come back in another week ;)

BTW If we do Sydney by a bit next week, it will have been a pretty damn good month... quite promising.

[Ron]

I wish we could play Melbourne twice so we could sit high on the ladder like the pies. :(

Even if you had another win you would still be a win less than us, so it's kinda a moot point don't you think?

[eth-dog]

Even if you had another win you would still be a win less than us, so it's kinda a moot point don't you think?
meh, just means we'll get to beat you in the semi finals

[ghostdog]

This is a thread that was always bound for the realms of controversy.

What's the criteria for 'promising'?
I'd put us on par with Adelaide and Brisbane. For all the promise of a very good side, Hawthorn's lack of depth shone. We're developing a side with depth whose significance I think will be more telling next year or the year after.

[The King of Leon]

I wish we could play Melbourne twice so we could sit high on the ladder like the pies. :(

I wish we had played Richmond so we could be even higher.:(

[GuzzLG]

I wish we had played Richmond so we could be even higher.:(
I wish we had played West Coast. :(

[The King of Leon]

I wish we had played West Coast. :(

They would beat you over there, look what happened last year.

[Ben the Gooner]

All last night showed me is that we played horribly, as we are still a very young team, and that Collingwood is an average team playing a long way above their capabilities.

I'd take our list any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.