View Full Version : What has gone wrong with South Australian cricket?
wagstaff
1 Feb 2003, 19:06
I was interested to see how South Australia played against WA today after they had been embarrassed in their previous two one-day matches.
While this time they managed to get into three figures, it was a pretty sad performance. The South Australian batsmen apart from Blewett were ordinary to say the least; the shots Vaughan and Higgs played when dismissed were poor by suburban cricket standards. Worst of all was Manou, who after hitting the sign and looking like he could turn the innings around, threw his wicket away in the most carless of fashions.
Their bowling wasn't much better either; thier pace attack was mainly composed of Jamie Scuderi-type medium-pacers who aren't fast enough, don't move the ball off the seam or swing it, and aren't a real threat to any quality batsman. Mike Smith bowled well, but how could someone with such little pace bowl so many no-balls?
It had been announced earlier in the week that Greg Chappell will be standing down as coach at the end of the season; by the dispirited performances they have offered lately, he's been there at least one season too many.
wagstaff
1 Feb 2003, 19:08
And by the way, I just remembered that my first-ever post on Bigfooty was also about bagging South Australia's batting lineup! (and Vaughan gets a mention in both threads).
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23089
That would be Joe Scuderi.
SA has very much a no name line up. Blewett and Lehmann are the only regular contributors to the sides scorecards, there are a few good young bowlers in Tait and Rofe but that's about it.
They really need to recruit a few name players to not only contribute on the field but also to help teach the younger players. Fleming was a disaster and Higgs hasn't done much either, they need to look to pick up a key batsmen or two and a key bowler for next season.
How did Tait go he is touted as the nbt and is quick as well.
Rofe came from my home town and I have followed him a bit last year he was leading wickettaker in the ING for the country how is he going this year the papers don't put any write ups in which ies dissa ppointing, and Cosgrove is also a gun in the making. All big wraps I know but the foundation is there.
Originally posted by wagstaff
Mike Smith bowled well, but how could someone with such little pace bowl so many no-balls?
Particularly with that dawdling run up of his. It is bewildering.
Langer's_Babe
1 Feb 2003, 22:37
hate to say justins team was just way to good for them and south australia need to sit down and talk about how bad they are going
ScouseCat
1 Feb 2003, 22:50
Originally posted by wagstaff
ITheir bowling wasn't much better either; thier pace attack was mainly composed of Jamie Scuderi-type medium-pacers who aren't fast enough, don't move the ball off the seam or swing it, and aren't a real threat to any quality batsman.
Makes you wonder why they let Paul Wilson go to Western Australia. :confused:
larrikin
2 Feb 2003, 00:08
Originally posted by ScouseCat
Makes you wonder why they let Paul Wilson go to Western Australia. :confused:
Especially when he bowled so well today. All of the Warriors bowlers bowled well, but especially Angel, Wilson and Wiliams (who continues to impress).
EagleBlue
2 Feb 2003, 09:42
Originally posted by jozeph
How did Tait go he is touted as the nbt and is quick as well.
Rofe came from my home town and I have followed him a bit last year he was leading wickettaker in the ING for the country how is he going this year the papers don't put any write ups in which ies dissa ppointing, and Cosgrove is also a gun in the making. All big wraps I know but the foundation is there.
Tait looks OK. Sprayed it a bit early and looks a bit raw but definetly worth persevering with. Rofe has had a poor season. He was cannon fodder yesterday. 2nd year blues perhaps, will learn and WILL get better. Another bowler with big wraps on him is Trent Kelly, it was mentioned yesterday why wasnt he picked ??? So I think the bowling is OK. Need a quality spinner though. Dont think Davison is the answer and Young averages nearly 40. Need AT LEAST to recruit one quality batsman (probably 2) Cosgrove looked ordinary yesterday but he is not an opener and he was facing 2 quality bowlers. should be patient with him. It will be interesting to see just who the new coach is. I thought Siddons was a shoe-in for the job but it appears Wayne Phillips is now front-runner. Who ever takes the job needs to clean out the dead wood, and there is plenty of it
Dogwatcher
2 Feb 2003, 10:21
Originally posted by Langer's_Babe
hate to say justins team was just way to good for them and south australia need to sit down and talk about how bad they are going
Hey guys!!! I've just met the Suzi Olsen of the cricket boards.
I guess, in her simplistic way, Langer's Babe is so right.
Dogwatcher
2 Feb 2003, 10:22
Originally posted by EagleBlue
Need a quality spinner though. Dont think Davison is the answer
What do you mean Davison's not good enough? He's good enough to get a game for Canada in the World Cup! ;)
Originally posted by EagleBlue
Tait looks OK. Sprayed it a bit early and looks a bit raw but definetly worth persevering with. Rofe has had a poor season. He was cannon fodder yesterday. 2nd year blues perhaps, will learn and WILL get better. Another bowler with big wraps on him is Trent Kelly, it was mentioned yesterday why wasnt he picked ???
Kelly has just played the 4 day youth test against england and itd be a bit harsh to get him to fly back and play in a one dayer. A kid that young needs to be preserved, not overworked or else he'll do a Gillespie and hurt himself.
EagleBlue
2 Feb 2003, 12:22
Originally posted by Perty4
Kelly has just played the 4 day youth test against england and itd be a bit harsh to get him to fly back and play in a one dayer. A kid that young needs to be preserved, not overworked or else he'll do a Gillespie and hurt himself.
If they had picked him when they had originally picked their side then he wouldnt have played in the youth test, same as Cosgrove. Whether he would be better off bowling 10 overs for the Redbacks or bowling in a 4 day game in a youth international is debatable though
Originally posted by Dogwatcher
Hey guys!!! I've just met the Suzi Olsen of the cricket boards.
I guess, in her simplistic way, Langer's Babe is so right.
i'm of the opinion that she IS suzi olsen. someone made a refererence to suzi on her 2nd day posting and she knew about suzi olsen!!
"hi im new to these boards, i would really like to make some wonderful and fabulous friends. hopefully we can all discuss this lovely game of cricket and have lots and lots of fun"
Langer's_Babe
2 Feb 2003, 17:46
once again im not suzi olsen ok
Bomber Spirit
2 Feb 2003, 18:55
Originally posted by nicko18
i'm of the opinion that she IS suzi olsen. someone made a refererence to suzi on her 2nd day posting and she knew about suzi olsen!! Anyone who had lurked on BigFooty for even 5 minutes would know who Suzi Olsen is.:eek:
South Australian cricket needs a complete overhaul. Not only are there too many clubs, some of these clubs actually engender a laid back approach to their cricket.
University survives entirely upon recruitment of players from other clubs, they contribute nothing to South Australian cricket and simply should go.
Port Adelaide have been pathetic for far too long now, there are way too many clubs on the western side of Adelaide, why are they still in the competition?
If the SACA are unable to reduce the number of clubs then they should put up the shutters and start afresh.
10 clubs is ample as there are players running around in A grade who wouldn't have played C grade 10 years ago. Grass roots cricket in SA is at the crossroads and unless some hard decisions are made immediately we can expect the Redbacks to be cellar dwellars for many years to come.
The gap between Adelaide Grade Cricket and 1st Class is far too wide. One player recently was happily turning out 50s against pedestrian medium pacers at grade level, made the SA team, then suddenly found himself facing Brett Lee's thunderbolts.
Wake up SACA, you know what the problems are, now do something about it!!
Dogwatcher
3 Feb 2003, 08:52
Too true Becker, too true.
markstaners
3 Feb 2003, 10:43
Im an SA supporter and it saddends me to death to see what Chappel has done with the team, Vaughan, Ad****, Davies, Higgins, and to a lesser extent Johnson are crap. Johnson is a surprise cos he can often produce a dazzling innings in the 4 day game but does stuff all in the 50 over matches. Higgs has been a disgrace perhaps he should get his eyes checked for cattaracs, he has some skill but to go through the season without producing a thing is deplorable.
Fitzgerald isn't too bad he makes starts hasn't ever got a huge hundred though, Blewett has been good but it's obvious the pressure is getting to him even though he is always our best player. Our middle order is possibly the worst in cricket anywhere, Manou is a great keeper and no mug with the bat but unless he gets a go in the pura cup he might want to leave.
The Harris's are useless and cant bowl or bat, Harrity should be retiring this season at long last. there are some plusses though in the bowling department however Rofe isn't too bad and young Tait looks as though he might have learn't a thing or two from Fleming and looks a real talent in swinging.
We have some great youngsters in Cosgrove, tait, and borgas however it's not enough there are plenty of players almost disgarded by there state team that we could do with, Shane Lee would fit into the middle order nice but i doubt he would move, also maybe someone like Adam Dale who is really struggling to get back to the QLD side something needs to be done and quick.
Fitzgerald
Blewett
Lehmann
Higgs/cosgrove
Manou
Smith/Young
Tait
Gillespie
Rofe
As far as im concerned at a minimum we need 3 more batsmen possibly 1 being an allrounder as well as 3 bowlers 2 being possibly around the 140km mark and 1 a tight bowler. We can probably keep Johnson this however is just a minimum to be competitive with all the other states. I think the main problem is Chappel has gotten to close with the players and is no longer a coach but a mate too many of them. I hate to say it but the sooner Lehmann retires the better cos he will automatically be put in as coach i think and do a hell of a lot better with him than anyone else.
only problem now is who in the world will coach?
wagstaff
3 Feb 2003, 10:52
Originally posted by markstaners
only problem now is who in the world will coach?
Former South Australian/Australian player Wayne Phillips is the hot tip, especially with his excellent record as coach with Australian Youth sides.
As for Mark Harraity, he retired from Australian cricket in the last few days to take up a playing role with English county side Worcestershire.
markstaners
3 Feb 2003, 11:28
Originally posted by wagstaff
Former South Australian/Australian player Wayne Phillips is the hot tip, especially with his excellent record as coach with Australian Youth sides.
Phillips is at the acadamey i think, that would be giving him a fair wage and as much as i would love him too coach i cant see him giving up a good pay packet too cooach the SA team. However he may have aspirations to coach the NT so i guess it's possible
Originally posted by markstaners
Phillips is at the acadamey i think, that would be giving him a fair wage and as much as i would love him too coach i cant see him giving up a good pay packet too cooach the SA team. However he may have aspirations to coach the NT so i guess it's possible
Flipper has already expressed interest in the Redbacks job. I still don't think the coach is the problem. What we are seeing now is the result of years of neglect of our Grade system.
Andrew Sin****, the coach before Chappell, saw all the problems and lamented the SACA's inability or lack of desire to address them. The whole SACA infrastructure is in dire need of overhaul.
EagleBlue
3 Feb 2003, 17:37
Originally posted by Becker
Andrew Sin****, the coach before Chappell, saw all the problems and lamented the SACA's inability or lack of desire to address them. The whole SACA infrastructure is in dire need of overhaul.
And guess what happened to him shortly after he said this, he was sacked, after 1 year in the job. The penalty you pay for speaking your mind. I agree, the grade system is stuffed. Too many sides, and the Bye is a joke. AARRRGGGH. How the hell does not playing for 2 weeks help our young players !!!!
Silver Balls
4 Feb 2003, 14:23
Greg Chappell - part time coach (read: all care no responsibility)
My ideal SA side would look like:
Fitzgerald
Johnson
Blewett
Lehmann
Davies
Cosgrove
Manou
Young
Gillespie
Tait
Rofe
The talent is there. I really think Davies is worth persisting with. Just need to get the consistency. I'm hoping a new coach can do that.
Higgs is probably the best replacement for Lehmann when he's on international duties. He's a better player than his performances have shown so far, hopefully he can put it together. If not, give a homegrown player a go.
Not sure who the best replacment for Gillespie is when he's away from the side. Maybe Mike Smith, who was handy for us last season. It's a pity recruiting Fleming hasn't worked.
Silver Balls
5 Feb 2003, 11:38
My ideal SA side would read
Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Martyn
Lehamnn
S.Waugh
Gilchrist
Warne
Lee
Gillespie
McGrath
McGill(12th)
The problem with South Australian cricket is we've not had enough runs from Mick Miller or Brad Young, nor enough wickets from young Shaun Tait. ;)
Nige_Bix
5 Feb 2003, 17:07
Originally posted by Guey_34
The problem with South Australian cricket is we've not had enough runs from Mick Miller or Brad Young, nor enough wickets from young Shaun Tait. ;)
HaHa - its about time!! - it just needs a good session or a great partnership etc - and you never know!!
SA 464
MC Miller c Love b Noffke 112
BE Young c Seccombe b Noffke 115
QLD - 112
Tait 10 2 37 3
and 1/18!
Tait 1/17
Stick with the young locals - best option long term - too many imports
hmm - but we're does Miller come from?
Originally posted by dezzmo
hmm - but we're does Miller come from?
Queensland.
In the team for this game we have 5 'imports' - Mark Cleary, Shane Deitz, David Fitzgerald, Mark Higgs and Miller.
Great fightback by the Redbacks, totally dominating the day. Young's not a bad number 9, the bowling looked a bit light on with Rofe dropped? but they did the job.
Martin Love cant get another double hundred can he? Only SA could stuff it up from here.
Shaun Tait looks a good prospect.
Originally posted by Zombie
That would be Joe Scuderi.
SA has very much a no name line up. Blewett and Lehmann are the only regular contributors to the sides scorecards, there are a few good young bowlers in Tait and Rofe but that's about it.
They really need to recruit a few name players to not only contribute on the field but also to help teach the younger players. Fleming was a disaster and Higgs hasn't done much either, they need to look to pick up a key batsmen or two and a key bowler for next season.
They should not recruit anyone. Even a pie's supporter can see that the prolonged success of the mighty bulls started when they stopped recruiting and started developing their own youngsters.
The worriers went the other way and are rubbish. A state that once produce the finest fast bowlers in the country has failed importing other states reject's. Only when they gave the local talent a go, Clark Throp have they started to improve.
An Import rarely has the same win at all cost's attitude as a home grown player.
wagstaff
5 Feb 2003, 23:37
Congrats to South Australia for bouncing back so well up to this stage of their match against the ladder leaders. However, let's not forget that South Australia were in a seemingly dominant position against Qld in their last Pura Cup match in Qld last month after the first day.
They had already passed Qld's puny first-innings score and had 8 wickets in hand.... yet their batting fell to pieces and then the Queensland batsmen had a field day racking up 487 and South Australia were skittled on the final day for 200 - apart from Greg Blewett's defiant century it was a pathetic performance from South Australia over the final three days, probably the catalyst for their dismal run of one-day form.
I'm sure the previous match would be in the back of both sides minds when play resumes today.
McAlmanac
6 Feb 2003, 08:50
I find all this quite amusing. There's two sides below SA on the table and prior to Christmas didn't they beat a full strength NSW side at the SCG?
Miller plays for Woodville :D but I don't know where they got him from.
Originally posted by McAlmanac
I find all this quite amusing. There's two sides below SA on the table and prior to Christmas didn't they beat a full strength NSW side at the SCG?
Miller plays for Woodville :D but I don't know where they got him from.
Mick Miller was recruited from Queensland.
Bomber Spirit
6 Feb 2003, 17:39
Originally posted by McAlmanac
I find all this quite amusing. There's two sides below SA on the table and prior to Christmas didn't they beat a full strength NSW side at the SCG? They sure did. But then again, NSW have been a lot better away than at the SCG this summer.
29scott russell
6 Feb 2003, 20:05
Queensland all out for 221 second innings - SA win by about 120 runs outright - can still make shield final
Originally posted by 29scott russell
Queensland all out for 221 second innings - SA win by about 120 runs outright - can still make shield final
An innings and about 120 runs.