changes vs richmond

[rioli brownlow]

i think

in. hurley,jetta,lucas
out. bellchambers,myers,nlm.

if we aren't going to play bellchambers much against st.kilda ,we certainly won't against richmond.
further to that hurley will be our no.1 full ack for the next 10 yrs so play him and hooker can be 2nd ruckman.
with jetta at least he gives us forward line pressure espically at the g and he seems to lift davey when he plays aswell.
and playing at the g i reckon we can go with the 3 big men up forward have lucas and neagle on the last line of the forward line with lloyd roaming around chf.

[Ben the Gooner]

OUT: NLM/Ryder (depending on fitness of the latter)
IN: Hurley

No other changes needed. Bring Prissa in against the Cats.

[Wahooti Fandango]

Out: Davey (suspended), Bellchambers
In: Jetta, Hurley

Hooker to pinch hit in the ruck.

[Wahooti Fandango]

OUT: NLM/Ryder (depending on fitness of the latter)
IN: Hurley

No other changes needed. Bring Prissa in against the Cats.

Why out with NLM?

[rioli brownlow]

Out: Davey (suspended), Bellchambers
In: Jetta, Hurley

Hooker to pinch hit in the ruck.

if davey gets suspended for that, then its a joke

[rioli brownlow]

Why out with NLM?

still doing undiscipline things

[Wahooti Fandango]

if davey gets suspended for that, then its a joke

He went out of his way to make head high contact with Del Softo (I have never seen such a sheep dog).

[Ben the Gooner]

Why out with NLM?

Because Hurley's earnt his spot, and Hooker, Pears and McPhee have been better than NLM.

For the record, I loved that bump on Riewoldt, because it didn't cost us anything.

[Wahooti Fandango]

Because Hurley's earnt his spot, and Hooker, Pears and McPhee have been better than NLM.

For the record, I loved that bump on Riewoldt, because it didn't cost us anything.

I would drop Myers to make way for Hurley as opposed to NLM.

[HULK HOGAN]

OUT- Myers, Lovett Muarry
IN- Hurley, Daniher.
could we sneak Prissmal in to play 3 quaters????????

[Charliebrow 16]

Prismall's actually in contention?

[Windas_Magic]

Prismall will play a full game for Bendigo this week, there's no way he'll be even discussed about for the Tigers game.

At best i can see him coming back for the Geelong game, but round 11-12 is more likely.

[HULK HOGAN]

Prismall's actually in contention?
I know:D Im trying not to get to excited about that yet:D
25 touches in 3 quaters at vfl level yesterday.

[Jonesy1987]

Out: Davey, Ryder (if injured, hooker to pinch hit)
Ins: Hurley, Jetta.

[Mad Bomber Sean]

Out Myers - not AFL standard yet, but I has a good future.
Out Bellchambers -
In Hurley & Jetta
Hooker to play in ruck with Ryder -

[Enki]

Depends on Ryder and Davey, but assuming they are fine:

OUT: Myers, Houli
IN: Hurley, Jetta

I'd probably drop Monfries too, as his inconsistency annoys me no end, but I don't think we have anyone else pushing for selection currently.

[caboose]

Assuming Paddy (or anyone else) is not injured:

In: Hurley, Jetta
Out: Davey (suspended), Myers

I know I'll probably get shot down in scorching flames by the army of Lonergan-lovers on here for even daring to suggest this, but number 14 must be getting very close to being given a spell too. If it's another ordinary effort from him next week, he should be the man to make way for Prismall against Geelong.

[dave_27]

Ryder just had cramp at the end of the game according to SEN reporter in Essendons rooms.

[Duckworth]

Out: Myers (Conditioning)
In: Hurley

[Mr Mosquito]

Instead of: Out: Davey (suspended) how aboout......Out: Davey (Omitted)

Sick of his useless disposals and reckless turnovers. In jetta hurley though

[dave_27]

Houli did a great job on Milne.

Yes his disposal/ decision making let him down but you cant ignore him shutting down a bloke who has been blitzing it this year.

[Daytripper]

Out: Myers (Conditioning)
In: Hurley

LOL - He's played 8 weeks in a row.
HTF is it conditioning ?

Thats said, I totally agree with the ins and outs.

[lamaros]

In: Jetta, Hurley
Out: Zaha, Houli (Davey if suspended)

[Sigmund]

Instead of: Out: Davey (suspended) how aboout......Out: Davey (Omitted)

Sick of his useless disposals and reckless turnovers. In jetta hurley though


And I bet you are also sick of his first rate implied and tackling pressure on the opposition too:confused::confused::rolleyes:

[bombersno1]

In: Jetta, Hurley

Out: Zaha (rest), Bellchambers (no need for a 2nd ruckman against Richmond)

[hird+lloyd=legends]

Instead of: Out: Davey (suspended) how aboout......Out: Davey (Omitted)

Sick of his useless disposals and reckless turnovers. In jetta hurley though


Yeah ok smart, drop our best tackler and pressuring machine.:rolleyes::confused: Daveys in the top 5 most important players for us.

[Daytripper]

In: Jetta, Hurley

Out: Zaha (rest), Bellchambers (no need for a 2nd ruckman against Richmond)

Why does Zaka get a rest and Myers doesn't ?

Seriously.

Forget about their draft position for a change and look at their output. There is no comparison.

[Sigmund]

Why does Zaka get a rest and Myers doesn't ?

Seriously.

Forget about their draft position for a change and look at their output. There is no comparison.


Although I think DT is too harsh on Myers, I do agree with this statement

[bombersno1]

Why does Zaka get a rest and Myers doesn't ?

Seriously.

Forget about their draft position for a change and look at their output. There is no comparison.

It is a management issue. geelong rested Selwood in his first year. Zaka has played a lot of high intensity back to back games. I would like him to just have a rest from this one. That is all. It is not about draft positions, it is about list management. The last thing we need is another soft tissue injury due to poor list management of our youngsters. Giving Zaka a rest is not that bad, and against the Tigers is probably the best time to do this. Could also enable Myers to play in the middle.

[lamaros]

Why does Zaka get a rest and Myers doesn't ?

Seriously.

Forget about their draft position for a change and look at their output. There is no comparison.

Because Myers is getting better with each game and Zaha is getting worse.
Because Myers is playing a defensive role and doing well with it, and Zaha is playing midfield/forward.
Because Zaha is only seeing the ball a little bit more than Myers, but is using it worse.

Because you change a team based on your Ins as well as your Outs. Jetta deserves to come back and can play Zaha's role. Hurley deserves to come in and I think Houli is a weaker link in the back formation because of his clangers and defensive play than Myers.

[Daytripper]

It is a management issue. geelong rested Selwood in his first year. Zaka has played a lot of high intensity back to back games. I would like him to just have a rest from this one. That is all. It is not about draft positions, it is about list management. The last thing we need is another soft tissue injury due to poor list management of our youngsters. Giving Zaka a rest is not that bad, and against the Tigers is probably the best time to do this. Could also enable Myers to play in the middle.

So what you're saying is that Zaka has been playing at high intensity and Myers hasn't.

Yet, we should drop the kid who has been outperforming the other (by about 3 times IMO) to give him a rest just in case he gets injured,

Mindblowing.....

[Daytripper]

Because Myers is getting better with each game and Zaha is getting worse.
Irrelevant. One is coming off a very high base and one is coming off a very lw base.
Because Myers is playing a defensive role and doing well with it, and Zaha is playing midfield/forward.
8 possisions in a game of football. Presti does better.

Because Zaha is only seeing the ball a little bit more than Myers, but is using it worse.
rubbish

Because you change a team based on your Ins as well as your Outs. Jetta deserves to come back and can play Zaha's role. Hurley deserves to come in and I think Houli is a weaker link in the back formation because of his clangers and defensive play than Myers.

Reasonable comment

[bombersno1]

So what you're saying is that Zaka has been playing at high intensity and Myers hasn't.

Yet, we should drop the kid who has been outperforming the other (by about 3 times IMO) to give him a rest just in case he gets injured,

Mindblowing.....

This is the reason why our youngsters keep getting soft tissue injuries. You give them a taste, then you rest them. A first year player should have a week or two off a year. If not, they are prone to soft tissue injuries and OP. Neither are good injuries. There is nothing wrong from resting a first year player. Zaka will come back the following week refreshed and ready to go.

[Daytripper]

This is the reason why our youngsters keep getting soft tissue injuries. You give them a taste, then you rest them. A first year player should have a week or two off a year. If not, they are prone to soft tissue injuries and OP. Neither are good injuries. There is nothing wrong from resting a first year player. Zaka will come back the following week refreshed and ready to go.

You dont drop players just in case they might get an injury.

Poor Cyril Rioli wouldn't have played in the GF last year with your mindset.

Zaka stays. He's a good yong player.

[bomberstomake8]

No change

Although Hurley has been good in the vfl it wouldnt be great for team structure imo.

Richmond dont really have a big key forward at the moment so having hurley pears and hooker would be a very tall backline for a small forward line, therefore i would stick with the more agile myers.

I thought bellchambers was pretty bad tonight and the only change i am considering at the momment is in hurley out bellchambers and hooker to play in the ruck however i am reluctant to move hooker because he has been playing so well.

[marcuz]

Jetta has to play next week, id chain him to neagle and say you be his sidekick all match.

Too many times we kicked to contests with nobody front and square. usually Davey would be there but the poor bastard is usually up on the wing chasing somebody down.

[Knight Ryders]

Out: Myers, NLM, Davey (if suspended)
In: Hurley, Slattery, Jetta (see above)

Form must be honoured and by all reports, Slattery has been awesome. I would like to see Hurley get a run across half forward and hopefully provide Lloyd with some more support across the half forward line. Slattery also releases McPhee to the wing, where I thought he was very good late in the match.

Also, Bellchambers must play next week even if he has low TOG. Ryder is not superman and we should not even think about moving Hooker from CHB - he has been superb the last few weeks.

[essendon2008]

Jetta has to play next week, id chain him to neagle and say you be his sidekick all match.

Too many times we kicked to contests with nobody front and square. usually Davey would be there but the poor bastard is usually up on the wing chasing somebody down.

Totally agree, all match i was sick of Neagle trying his heart out and getting beaten easily once it hit the deck. Neagle was continuously double and triple manned and we needed a small at his feet. Even if Jetta doesn't leave the forward 50 all match i would be happy if he crumbs and provides defensive pressure.

[GoDons]

Didn't think Myers was that bad today.

Stats sheet is disappointing, but filled a role in defence and helped out his teammates. To fit the structure, we'd have to replace him with one of Nash/Atkinson/T.Slattery, and personally I'd prefer we stick with David.

Bellchambers is the obvious out, looks a long way off ready at the moment. Richmond aren't sporting a strong ruck combination, so hopefully Hooker can help out Paddy. Hurley would be my replacementafter a good VFL showing, allowing Hooker into a more attacking role (and he certainly likes to take the game on).

I think Leroy's a must this week, we were smashed on the ground today. He's got runs on the board in the VFL, let's see what he can gives us. Whilst Houli had some characteristic errors, his efforts on Milne probably keep him in the side. Personally, I don't actually mind the theory of a rest for Zaka. His impact has probably dropped in the last few weeks, a week off wouldn't hurt with just a 6 day turn around. North's already done it with Ziebell, I say we follow suit.

[yaco55]

Out Myers - not AFL standard yet, but I has a good future.
Out Bellchambers -
In Hurley & Jetta
Hooker to play in ruck with Ryder -

I agree with you in's but u may find that Zaharakis is dropped.

Hooker to ruck with Ryder !

[Donakebab]

Out: Monfries
In: Jetta

Monfries has been the most frustratingly inconsistent player over his entire career. How many more chances does he get before he is punished for inaccuracy, poor disposals and overall case of the suck. Constant poor form usually see's other players relegated to the reserves, how he constantly avoids it is beyond me. Eat it in the 2's for the rest of your contract, I'm sick of loosing my voice time after time over simple mistakes.

[silk]

I think monfries should be dropped, he good games are great but his bad games are just awful. It's becoming too much of a gamble with him.

Lucas would be a better option then monfries.

Jetta should come in after 4 goals and a best on performance with bendigo, but who for?

[Mr Mosquito]

Yeah ok smart, drop our best tackler and pressuring machine.:rolleyes::confused: Daveys in the top 5 most important players for us.

Since when is it ok to only be in a team due to tackling pressure.

Sure he is great, love his speed, but there if very few possessions he get when he will hit a player laces out. More often than not the decision he makes is the wrong one.

I love the little guy, but he is a small forward not kicking goals, and when he gets the ball he uses it poorly. Gotta do more than tackle

[SDR223]

Because Myers is getting better with each game and Zaha is getting worse.
Because Myers is playing a defensive role and doing well with it, and Zaha is playing midfield/forward.
Because Zaha is only seeing the ball a little bit more than Myers, but is using it worse.

Because you change a team based on your Ins as well as your Outs. Jetta deserves to come back and can play Zaha's role. Hurley deserves to come in and I think Houli is a weaker link in the back formation because of his clangers and defensive play than Myers.

Zaha was great against the Hawks - Hardly getting worse. I can see him playing a good game against the Tigers.

Jetta plays a different role to Zaha. More of a crumbing rover. Whilst Zaha is a lead up forward. Jetta deserves a recall thought after 4 goals at Bendigo.

[Donakebab]

I think monfries should be dropped, he good games are great but his bad games are just awful. It's becoming too much of a gamble with him.

Lucas would be a better option then monfries.

Jetta should come in after 4 goals and a best on performance with bendigo, but who for?

Another small forward? I think you already answered your own question...

[efcboy]

No change

Although Hurley has been good in the vfl it wouldnt be great for team structure imo.

Richmond dont really have a big key forward at the moment so having hurley pears and hooker would be a very tall backline for a small forward line, therefore i would stick with the more agile myers.

I thought bellchambers was pretty bad tonight and the only change i am considering at the momment is in hurley out bellchambers and hooker to play in the ruck however i am reluctant to move hooker because he has been playing so well.

totally agree with this - other than the 1st quarter where the youngsters were a bit overawed with the pressure the team was quite good from then on. if you are going to make changes you need to keep defensive matchups in mind.

the richmond forward line is likely to consist of (with my matchup):

Pettifer - Dempsey (demps can spoil him overhead and given kayne's coming off a knee reco can run off him)

Morton - McPhee (a good matchup for mcphee who can beat him for strength and run off him)

N.Brown - H.Slattery (i'm not underestimating browny so go with slattery to shut him down and pace isn't as much an issue anymore like in the past)

Simmonds - Hooker (happy to go with hooker here unless hurley comes in at the expense of bellchambers)

J.Riewoldt - Pears (pretty happy with this matchup as Pears is probably stronger and can match him pace wise)

Nahas - Houli (need a nippy roving type to keep this goal sneak at bay - houli did it well against milne so should get the gig on nahas).

then midfield:

Tuck - Watson (head to head contest)

Deledio - Winderlich (need someone with pace, reasonable overhead with defensive mindset - winda fits the bill nicely)

Foley - Dyson (foley and deledio are game breakers so i'd have dyson tagging as he can match his pace and shut him down)

Cotchin/Tambling - Stanton (hoping stanton can get off the leash this week)

Cousins - Hocking (looks a decent matchup pace wise)

So i don't think many changes (if any) are necessary at all. I disagree that a 2nd ruckman isn't needed against Simmonds/Graham especially when paddy could have a slight hamy issue - would be a bad result to be down to Hooker for an entire game. I'd give bellchambers another week - he should be pretty fresh as he didn't do much yesterday!

There's no need to rush guys like hurley, daniher, prismall etc. I'll be content to give them another week of conditioning in the vfl and hoping a good performance warrants selection for the cats match.

I'll be surprised if davey is suspended - once in the air he twisted trying to avoid contact. At worst it should just be a reprimand. However you never know...if he does get a week than i'd agree that Jetta is the obvious replacement.

If ryder's cramp is more than that then Hurley or Lucas come in for support in ruck...which would be a terrible result.

[daffo]

In : Hurley, Jetta
Out : NLM, Myers

Hurley can play back, Jetta up forward.

[efcboy]

Out: Monfries
In: Jetta

Monfries has been the most frustratingly inconsistent player over his entire career. How many more chances does he get before he is punished for inaccuracy, poor disposals and overall case of the suck. Constant poor form usually see's other players relegated to the reserves, how he constantly avoids it is beyond me. Eat it in the 2's for the rest of your contract, I'm sick of loosing my voice time after time over simple mistakes.

Constant poor form? Did you miss the hawthorn match? Monfries was close to best on ground - 8 marks in the 1st quarter taking hodge to the cleaners.

[Strike Swiftly]

If ryder's cramp is more than that then Hurley or Lucas come in for support in ruck...which would be a terrible result.

I agree with most of your post. I would bring Hurley in as as he is in good form and is versatile. I would probably give Myers another week (solely out of hope of improvement) and drop NLM. But in fairness to NLM, he played a fair percentage of the game last night in defence. He has shown more playing the third tall in the forward line.

If Ryder battles to get up this week, I would consider playing Hooker as back up ruckman to BC.

[Smokin]

very confident Ryder will be fine. I watched him last night when he pulled up sore, and he looked like he tried to stretch at one point, which suggests cramp. You dont try to stretch a strained muscle.

With less than 2 mins to go, he was running along the boundary fairly freely, so if there was concern surely they would have iced it and thats it for the night.

It defnitely looked like a cramp to me.

changes, if any Hurley for Myers. Im not convinced Hurley cant play the exact same role better in all areas. I dont think we lose anything there, because Myer isnt giving us run, his skills left a bit to be desired and is slow as a turtle.

[AS9]

Too many idiots in this thread wanting to drop Monfries and Houli. Monfries had his best game of the year against Hawthorn two weeks ago, yes he played poorly against St Kilda, but they are a very good defensive team, something which Richmond isn't. Even though Monfries played terrible for most of the game he still created two shots on goal in the final quarter and never put his head down.

On Houli, i think he kept Milne to 13 possies and 1 goal. His disposal was questionable in the first quarter but I think that was due to the St Kilda pressure and the pressure on him to keep his spot in the team. Once he got into the game a bit he did the role he was needed to do.

I think the Richmond game is the perfect game for a guy like Myers to gain a bit of confidence, meaning we should rest Zaka, resting a first year player does more good then harm for the team. He is a LONG TERM investment. We don't want him burning out at this stage of his career.

Myers can take his role in the midfield and hopefully gain some of the mouth watering form we saw early on in his career.

Would love to see Hurley back in the team put like previous posters the only way I see him coming in is through the expense of a ruckman either through injury (Ryder) or form (Bellchambers).

Jetta also must come in. We need his pressure and crumbing ability in the forward line.

[half time raffle]

Hurley should be coming into the side, but as a third marking forward option. He is a big strong kid with a beautiful boot so why couldn't he play forward, not for ever, but for this match.

[Houli to Neagle]

if davey gets suspended for that, then its a joke

Didn't Sean B from Port get off with the same thing. IIRC he went to shirt front someone and turned his back at the last minute and got off???

[hateitorlovett13]

Because Hurley's earnt his spot, and Hooker, Pears and McPhee have been better than NLM.

For the record, I loved that bump on Riewoldt, because it didn't cost us anything.

Hahah yeah same. Watching NLM (and you need to actually go to the game to see it), he just adds physicality that we don't otherwise have. I'll be really surprised and dissapointed to see him dropped, and I think Knights has better judgement than that.

Does anybody think Houli has a chance of being dropped? He was dragged a couple of times yesterday, not sure Knights was too happy with his decision making.

If Hurley is ready, I'd like to see him up forward. Pears and Hooker are doing brilliantly in defence, and I think we really needed another forward target with Lloyd out of the game early on and Neagle often mistiming his leads.

That being said, I'm not too sure who I'd drop. I was happy with pretty much everyone yesterday, maybe we'll go in without changes again.

[bombersno1]

You dont drop players just in case they might get an injury.

Poor Cyril Rioli wouldn't have played in the GF last year with your mindset.

Zaka stays. He's a good yong player.

Rioli played as a small forward last year, a bit easier to cope with the week by week grind of AFL footy. Zaka plays more in the midfield/forward role. Resting him is not that bad an idea. In fact the way he played against the Saints he probably needs a rest anyway

[Donakebab]

Constant poor form? Did you miss the hawthorn match? Monfries was close to best on ground - 8 marks in the 1st quarter taking hodge to the cleaners.

Not at all, but does one good game make a heap of other games which have been average at best disappear? Did you miss that Hodge was carrying an injury and is now out for at least 2 more weeks?


Forget the quiet word, he deserved a grilling and has done for years. He is easily the most disappointing player in our list. He may have shown promise, but after 5 seasons and close to 100 games under your belt, you have to deliver more, especially as a first round pick. Yes, like last week, once in a blue moon that promise is delivered and he hits targets, kicks straight and looks dangerous, but the other 90% of the time he is a big hole that is taking up space in the team. Drop him to the 2's and as soon as his contract is up delist and try to forget yet another wasted pick from the 2004 draft.

Okay to be honest I may have gone a little overboard with both of these comments, but honestly he has been very inconsistent over the years and I still stand by my core sentiment. Monfries must lift in a big way and keep up it up consistently or falling back into a pattern of mediocrity. If he's not dropped this week for Jetta, then I see him as a prime candidate for when Prismall, McVeigh or Skipper are ready for selection.

As for some comments on Bellchambers. Too say he looks a long way off you must have been watching him extremely closely. In the two games he has played since being brought up from Bendigo he had 28% of game time on Sunday and 31% against Hawthorn last week. Considering Richmond don't exactly have the strongest ruck combination and that Bellchambers was recruited solely as a ruckman, maybe leaving him in the side and giving him some more game time might be exactly what he needs.

[High Ryder]

In Hurley

OUT Bellchambers

Hooker can relieve in ruck, play him or Hurley up forward Ryder is rucking. I like this move as it gives us more flexability.

[bomberz08]

Outs- Belly Davey [if suspended, unlikely]
Ins- Hurley, jetta [only if davey is susp.]

Hooker to pinch hit in the ruck. Resting zaka might be the right move, but wait till prismall is ready.

Hopefully ryder will be right, but if not leave belly in.

[silk]

Another small forward? I think you already answered your own question...

Except the monfries hardly plays small.
Maybe they could bring in hurley for him, and play mcphee in the mongries role, or even hurley.

[Boucks09]

Some interesting points in this thread. I watched Knights' press conference last night and he made the following points:

- He admitted he overworked Ryder and underused Bellchambers during the match. That is why Paddy came off with cramp at the end and he acknowledged that Bellchambers and Laycock need to help him more as the season progresses.

- He suggested that Hurley could play forward as he is a versatile player. Also mentioned that Pears and Hooker were doing a great job down back.

- Was wrapped with the progress of Dyson.

Given those comments I have my own theory on what I think we should do for next week. It is critical that we keep a sound team structure rather than playing guys out of position for the sake of 1-2 games. I think this is more beneficial for long term development.

Therefore Hooker should continue to play CHB rather than pinch hit in the ruck. He has been a revelation down there and needs to continue playing there. Given that, Bellchambers must play to give Paddy the chop out he needs for the rest of the season. It would be hard for any 19 y/o, let alone a ruckman up against two premiership ruckman, playing only 28% game time. However his work rate MUST LIFT. There is no excuse for being lazy when you play less than 40 minutes of football. I can't wait for Laycock to come back into the side. The second half of the season will determine whether he wants to make it as an AFL footballer.

Personally I think McPhee is at his best when playing wing/high forward. He has great work rate and is a hard match up for any team. He has filled a utlility role in the absence of Fletcher/Hurley down back, but given our clear need for a leading high forward he should be moved there and Hurely brought in as the 3rd defender. Hurley also gives us the advantage of having an elite long kicker to do the kicking out duties. Last night we had a combination of Myers, Lovett, Dempsey, Winderlich and Pears doing the job and it got us into trouble.

But who do we drop for Hurley? It's out of Myers, Houli and NLM.

For all the talk of Myers and Houli, they kept two small forwards who had kicked 9 goals between them the previous week, to 1 goal. Houli's disposal was attrocious in the first 1/4 but the rest of his game his defensive skills were great. He even backed into packs which was good to see.

Myers look fairly solid also and it appears he is playing a defensive role to free up Slattery to be more offensive. We have seen Hank have much more of the ball in the last two weeks and his disposal efficiency has been very very good.

NLM to me had a nothing game last night. I was suprised to see he had so much of the ball as watching it live I felt he had no impact. I agree with the other posters who have mentioned that he seems more effective as a 3rd tall forward. Given that I feel McPhee is better again in that position I don't see a role for Nat Rat in our structure.

Houli = great skills, indurance and improved defense
Myers = defensive game, long kick, long term development, leadership
NLM = dash, toughness, occasional recklessness

I feel Hurley can do all the good things Lovett-Murray can and that Nat Rat can't play on a smaller forward or shut a forward down. His omission is based on match ups rather than form but we need to stick with our youngsters. (FWIW I liked the idea of what Lovett Murray did with Riewoldt but it really was stupid. Hirdy said the same on the coverage. He could've done that earlier and made a statement, not when the game is lost)

To the forwards. I personally feel that Alwyn is a little jaded at the moment as he is doing all the forward pressure work on his own. That is why his tackling numbers and disposal efficiency is down. I would be surprised if he got suspended this week. Given that we are playing the Dreamtime Game this weekend, it is the perfect opportunity for Jetta to come into the side with confidence and shine. I said it last week that I feel our forward structure is 10x better with Leroy and Alwyn in the team. There will be no better time for him to step up.

I'm really pleased to hear we are starting to play Daniher on smaller forwards at Bendigo. To me that shows that we are looking at a long term future of playing Hurley, Pears, Hooker and Daniher in the same team which I think is great news.

Zaharakis should be omitted. Forget the talk of resting him, he should be omitted. I'm a massive fan of his but the facts are that he has played 1 good game (against the Hawks) in the last month (poor against St.Kilda, Brisbane and Collingwood). I also think he is making a few decision errors which is costing us (i.e handballing to stationary targets). He is also not taking the game on like he did earlier in the season and providing us with much run through the midfield and winning much ball. If Leroy had played 4 games with an average of 10 disposals and 1 goal he would be dropped. I'm wrapped that we have seen him play so many games but he now needs to earn his spot again at Bendigo. There is also no harm in him having a week of for all of the man management issues raised earlier but that should not be the reason he is left out of the side. We did the same with Lucas by saying he was omitted, we need to do the same with Zaha.

I really feel for Scotty Lucas. It is obvious he is going to find it hard playing in a side getting smashed by 100pts each week. Neagle has done plenty to show he should stay in the side and he work rate has improved heaps. If Scotty comes I feel we are going to have to shuffle a lot of our side around to fit him in. e.g. McPhee. It is possible but I don't think he has done enough yet. If he struggles to get a game in the next 2-3 weeks i've got a feeling that he may make an announcement.


In summary:

Outs: Zaharakis, Lovett-Murray
Ins: Jetta, Hurley

[pazza]

Just one change in terms of players, but a slightly different set-up.

Out: Houli
In: Jetta

B: H. Slattery, Pears, McPhee
HB: Demspey, Hooker, Dyson
C: Lovett, Watson, Hocking
HF: Monfries, Neagle, Myers
F: Jetta, Lloyd, Davey
R: Ryder, Stanton, Winderlich
Int: Bellchambers, Zaharakis, Lonergan, Lovett-Murray
Emerg: Houli, Hurley, Daniher

[lemon chicken]

In Hurley and Jetta

Out Myers and Zaharakis

We need another crumber in the forward 50. Davey is busting his guts and it is still coming out to easy. Myers is not up to it yet and does not deserve to be getting games on potential.

I dont know why we arent using Bellchambers more in the forward line rather than the bench.

[cAsEy_18]

IN: Jetta - Hurley
OUT: Bellchambers - Houli/Myers

I'd probably be going Myers out of the 2 of them, but Houli has really got to work on, not neccesarily his disposal, but more his decision making. Jetta has earnt his spot in the side, one of these 2 should make way. I've got Hurley coming in for Bellchambers as Hurley deserves to be in the side, Hooker doesn't deserved to be dropped, and we're simply not playing Bellchambers enough on the ground to warrant his spot in the side. I like Tommy, but there is no point picking a ruckman and playing him 30-40% of game time. Here, Ryder needs to do a fair bit of the ruck work, and Hooker as his support. Hooker is a nice size and athletic, he is a capable back up. Leaving Hurley, Pears, Hooker down back most of the game, and Hooker to go into the ruck for maybe 15-20% of the game. Big job for Ryder, but this allows us to play a balanced side on the field with Neagle, Lloyd and McPhee up forward, Hooker, Pears and Hurley down back, and 4 smalls on the bench to keep up our midfield run.

FB: Henry Slattery - Michael Hurley - Cale Hooker
HB: Courtenay Dempsey - Tayte Pears - Heath Hocking
C: Andrew Lovett - Jason Winderlich - Ricky Dyson
HF: Angus Monfries - Matthew Lloyd - Adam McPhee
FF: Alwyn Davey - Jay Neagle - Leroy Jetta
FOLL: Patrick Ryder - Sam Lonergan - Jobe Watson

INT: Bachar Houli/David Myers - Nathan Lovett Murray - David Zaharakis - Brent Stanton

My bad, forgotten 2 off the top of my head.

[hateitorlovett13]

NLM to me had a nothing game last night. I was suprised to see he had so much of the ball as watching it live I felt he had no impact. I agree with the other posters who have mentioned that he seems more effective as a 3rd tall forward. Given that I feel McPhee is better again in that position I don't see a role for Nat Rat in our structure.

There's your problem. You need to actually go to the game to see the influence NLM has on our game. The number of shephards, tackles and just basic hard, aggressive attack on the footy and body that he performs each game cannot be counted on two hands. And I cannot say that for any other player in our team atm- maybe when we get some injured players back, but definately not now.

[cawshezy]

Instead of: Out: Davey (suspended) how aboout......Out: Davey (Omitted)

Sick of his useless disposals and reckless turnovers. In jetta hurley though

His lost confidence in his possession couldn't agree more

[cawshezy]

IN: Jetta - Hurley
OUT: Bellchambers - Houli/MyersNeed to play Bellchambers as we need a back ruckman incase Ryder goes down.

[AndyLesPaul]

His lost confidence in his possession couldn't agree more
I don't think you've made a positive comment about Davey so much,

why do you hate him?

Though I have noticed him running too fast for his own good

[Boucks09]

There's your problem. You need to actually go to the game to see the influence NLM has on our game. The number of shephards, tackles and just basic hard, aggressive attack on the footy and body that he performs each game cannot be counted on two hands. And I cannot say that for any other player in our team atm- maybe when we get some injured players back, but definately not now.

Sorry by watching it live I meant watching it live at the ground.

I was on Level 3 so it was a little more difficult to see a lot of the 1%'s that NLM may have done. I certainly can understand what you are saying about his importance to the side and I think that he has done a good utlity role in the last 3 games. However I don't think that he does any specific role better than others, and the sum of his roles isn't enough to keep him in the side ahead of others.

Take the backline for example. The only people I could see him replacing would be Dempsey or Slattery who are both currently playing as rebounding defenders. Hurley is already IMHO a better 3rd tall defender in regards to his kicking skills and one-on-one marking. Whilst NLM does rebound well, I don't think he has the ablity to stop a forward in the same way as Slattery and Dempsey (surprising so this season). You can't have too many similar type players in the one team.

Up forward he could play as the 3rd tall. However I don't think his workrate on the lead is anywhere near a McPhee, and he is not able to displace Lloyd and Neagle as leading forwards. If Knights decides to keep McPhee down back until Fletcher returns then perhaps NLM could play there and Lloyd move further up the ground, but this is not ideal IMHO.

As I said originally I feel he should be left out in terms of team structure more than anything else. He is unlucky there is no question of that.

[cawshezy]

I don't think you've made a positive comment about Davey so much,

why do you hate him?

Though I have noticed him running too fast for his own good


Hey i like Davey but his looked lost on the field in the last month might be carrying an slight niggle with his knee

[cawshezy]

Sorry by watching it live I meant watching it live at the ground.

I was on Level 3 so it was a little more difficult to see a lot of the 1%'s that NLM may have done. I certainly can understand what you are saying about his importance to the side and I think that he has done a good utlity role in the last 3 games. However I don't think that he does any specific role better than others, and the sum of his roles isn't enough to keep him in the side ahead of others.

Take the backline for example. The only people I could see him replacing would be Dempsey or Slattery who are both currently playing as rebounding defenders. Hurley is already IMHO a better 3rd tall defender in regards to his kicking skills and one-on-one marking. Whilst NLM does rebound well, I don't think he has the ablity to stop a forward in the same way as Slattery and Dempsey (surprising so this season). You can't have too many similar type players in the one team.

Up forward he could play as the 3rd tall. However I don't think his workrate on the lead is anywhere near a McPhee, and he is not able to displace Lloyd and Neagle as leading forwards. If Knights decides to keep McPhee down back until Fletcher returns then perhaps NLM could play there and Lloyd move further up the ground, but this is not ideal IMHO.

As I said originally I feel he should be left out in terms of team structure more than anything else. He is unlucky there is no question of that.Lovett-Murray four games this year have been better than his season last year Knights is finally playing him in a position he can, the forward line.

[AndyLesPaul]

Hey i like Davey but his looked lost on the field in the last month might be carrying an slight niggle with his knee
Quote a positive comment you've made about him?

[Ben the Gooner]

Zaharakis should be omitted. Forget the talk of resting him, he should be omitted. I'm a massive fan of his but the facts are that he has played 1 good game (against the Hawks) in the last month (poor against St.Kilda, Brisbane and Collingwood). I also think he is making a few decision errors which is costing us (i.e handballing to stationary targets). He is also not taking the game on like he did earlier in the season and providing us with much run through the midfield and winning much ball. If Leroy had played 4 games with an average of 10 disposals and 1 goal he would be dropped. I'm wrapped that we have seen him play so many games but he now needs to earn his spot again at Bendigo. There is also no harm in him having a week of for all of the man management issues raised earlier but that should not be the reason he is left out of the side. We did the same with Lucas by saying he was omitted, we need to do the same with Zaha.

Great post Boucks, and I agree with what you say, but disagree slightly with this.

At the moment, Zaka seems to be playing the role Skipworth performed earlier in the year, as the small forward-cum-midfield option. Zaka played midfield against Fremantle, Carlton and North, but moved forward from the Collingwood game onwards. These were our changes for the Collingwood game:

In: Lovett-Murray, Lonergan, Myers, Hocking, Jetta
Out: Daniher (groin), Skipworth (hamstring), Quinn (omitted), Nash (omitted), McVeigh (ankle)

and on the day we played with an extra small forward, due to the predicted forecast of rain. In that list, NLM replaces Daniher, Lonergan replaces McVeigh, Myers replaces Nash, Jetta comes in for Quinn in a structural change and Hocking replaces Zaharakis, who replaces Skipworth.

Jetta played again the following week, on the smaller Gabba, which is more suited to small forwards, and our changes against Hawthorn were:

In: Neagle, Bellchambers, Houli
Out: Fletcher (leg), Jetta (knee), Lucas (omitted)

Obviously Neagle replaced Lucas, Bellchambers replaced Hooker who replaced Fletcher, and Houli came back in for structural reasons over Jetta (as in, we brought in a flanker for a crumber).

So it appears Knighter likes his forward structure to be:

2 key forwards (Lloyd, Neagle/Lucas)
1 3rd tall (McPhee, NLM)
1-2 genuine crumbers (Davey, (Jetta))
2 small forwards who offer a marking target at times (Monfries, Skipworth/Zaharakis)

So, with all of that established, I think that Zaka will keep his spot in the forward line for the next 1-2 weeks while Skippy returns, and will probably lose his spot, along with Dyson, when Prismall and McVeigh return. Personally, I see Houli coming out for Skippy, with Dyson going to defence, and Zaka to the midfield, then Zaka coming out for Prismall, and Dyson losing his spot for McVeigh, with Hocking going back, and McVeigh tagging (at least to start with).

[HULK HOGAN]

In Hurley and Jetta

Out Myers and Zaharakis

We need another crumber in the forward 50. Davey is busting his guts and it is still coming out to easy. Myers is not up to it yet and does not deserve to be getting games on potential.

I dont know why we arent using Bellchambers more in the forward line rather than the bench.
Probably cause the ball would come out even easier with Belly up there

[HULK HOGAN]

Great post Boucks, and I agree with what you say, but disagree slightly with this.

At the moment, Zaka seems to be playing the role Skipworth performed earlier in the year, as the small forward-cum-midfield option. Zaka played midfield against Fremantle, Carlton and North, but moved forward from the Collingwood game onwards. These were our changes for the Collingwood game:

In: Lovett-Murray, Lonergan, Myers, Hocking, Jetta
Out: Daniher (groin), Skipworth (hamstring), Quinn (omitted), Nash (omitted), McVeigh (ankle)

and on the day we played with an extra small forward, due to the predicted forecast of rain. In that list, NLM replaces Daniher, Lonergan replaces McVeigh, Myers replaces Nash, Jetta comes in for Quinn in a structural change and Hocking replaces Zaharakis, who replaces Skipworth.

Jetta played again the following week, on the smaller Gabba, which is more suited to small forwards, and our changes against Hawthorn were:

In: Neagle, Bellchambers, Houli
Out: Fletcher (leg), Jetta (knee), Lucas (omitted)

Obviously Neagle replaced Lucas, Bellchambers replaced Hooker who replaced Fletcher, and Houli came back in for structural reasons over Jetta (as in, we brought in a flanker for a crumber).

So it appears Knighter likes his forward structure to be:

2 key forwards (Lloyd, Neagle/Lucas)
1 3rd tall (McPhee, NLM)
1-2 genuine crumbers (Davey, (Jetta))
2 small forwards who offer a marking target at times (Monfries, Skipworth/Zaharakis)

So, with all of that established, I think that Zaka will keep his spot in the forward line for the next 1-2 weeks while Skippy returns, and will probably lose his spot, along with Dyson, when Prismall and McVeigh return. Personally, I see Houli coming out for Skippy, with Dyson going to defence, and Zaka to the midfield, then Zaka coming out for Prismall, and Dyson losing his spot for McVeigh, with Hocking going back, and McVeigh tagging (at least to start with).
That forward set up definately suits our style of play best!

[Valve Bounce]

Benny is out.

[Boucks09]

So it appears Knighter likes his forward structure to be:

2 key forwards (Lloyd, Neagle/Lucas)
1 3rd tall (McPhee, NLM)
1-2 genuine crumbers (Davey, (Jetta))
2 small forwards who offer a marking target at times (Monfries, Skipworth/Zaharakis)

So, with all of that established, I think that Zaka will keep his spot in the forward line for the next 1-2 weeks while Skippy returns, and will probably lose his spot, along with Dyson, when Prismall and McVeigh return. Personally, I see Houli coming out for Skippy, with Dyson going to defence, and Zaka to the midfield, then Zaka coming out for Prismall, and Dyson losing his spot for McVeigh, with Hocking going back, and McVeigh tagging (at least to start with).

Terrific analysis on our structures there Ben. You really seem to have a strong understanding of Knights' structures and plans, top post :thumbsu:.

I think in an ideal world (with form not playing a factor) Knights would prefer to have one small leading target (e.g. Monfries), 3 key forwards (Lloyd, Lucas, Neagle), 1 "4th" tall/wingman in McPhee and a crumber in Davey/Jetta (with one rotating through the midfield).

However given Scotty's problems and the form of Skipworth prior to the hamstring injury we tinkered to the structure that you have mentioned in your post (2 KPP, 3rd tall, 2 Smalls and rover).

Is this the best option? I really don't know to be honest. We have also seen in recent weeks that Winderlich has been moved forward at times to provide the leading target option. I think this will be a key strategic move when we get out midfielders back as we can then rotate McVeigh and Winderlich forward to break tags/have a rest, whilst maintaining a strong structure and dangerous forward line.

From all reports it appears that Jetta took some strong marks in the VFL and was able to move into the midfield at times. That for me is the key in playing him before Zaharakis. If Leroy can move into the centre and make some solid contributions (which I think he did against Brisbane) this allows Davey to roam the inside 50m more exclusively and focus on forward pressure and scoring goals/assists. I just don't feel Zaharakis is in the same form of a month ago, even with his positional change, whilst Jetta has played some good games in the last month (VFL and AFL). We need to reward guys like Jetta who are doing exactly what Knights is asking. I dont know if Zaharakis is doing that at the moment given he is not taking the game on and looking to handball to stationary targets.

It will be very interesting to see what happens when Skipworth is fully fit (assuming he plays VFL this week). I have a feeling Monfries will be in the gun if he doesn't play well against Richmond.

[Boucks09]

Lovett-Murray four games this year have been better than his season last year Knights is finally playing him in a position he can, the forward line.

That's the thing though, he played down back on Sunday. If he plays there is he better than Hurley? I would say no.

Given that I expect Hurley to come in this week who else would you omit? Even if Hurley plays forward (which is a possibilty) that would mean McPhee continues to play down back. Is there a match up for NLM? Is he a better rebounder than Dempsey? A better lock down player than Slattery, Myers or Houli?

If NLM were to play forward who's spot does he take? We looked very top heavy last week so he wouldn't play deep. I also don't think he has the engine to play the lead up role that we need so I can't see him playing there either.

As I said I feel it is more about structure with NLM rather than form.

[warney7]

Are people calling for Jetta's inclusion, for lack of a better option?

He hasn't done a great deal when given his chances thus far and I can't see why there seems to be a universal call for his inclusion.

Maybe he has torn it up with Bendigo?

Anywho.

IN: Hurley
OUT: Myers

[Jonesy1987]

Are people calling for Jetta's inclusion, for lack of a better option?

He hasn't done a great deal when given his chances thus far and I can't see why there seems to be a universal call for his inclusion.

Maybe he has torn it up with Bendigo?


Kicked 4 goals while his side was getting raped, seems like a pretty good game IMO.

[warney7]

Oh well in that case, he's an absolute must have for Essendon this week!.....

[cawshezy]

Kicked 4 goals while his side was getting raped, seems like a pretty good game IMO.

Name Jetta we lose don't name Jetta we win simple

[pazza]

Our small forwards are trying to take big marks and not giving Lloyd/Neagle a hand around their ankles. We really need a true crumbing forward..Jetta plays.

[Jonesy1987]

Name Jetta we lose don't name Jetta we win simple

Considering Jetta has played 3 games this year, we've won 2 of them, your theory doesn't stand up.

[Ben the Gooner]

Terrific analysis on our structures there Ben. You really seem to have a strong understanding of Knights' structures and plans, top post :thumbsu:.

I think in an ideal world (with form not playing a factor) Knights would prefer to have one small leading target (e.g. Monfries), 3 key forwards (Lloyd, Lucas, Neagle), 1 "4th" tall/wingman in McPhee and a crumber in Davey/Jetta (with one rotating through the midfield).

That's a good point actually. McPhee played forward when Lloyd, Lucas and Neagle/Ryder were our forward options in Rounds 1-4, and that was as close to full strength as we have gotten this year as far as talls go.

However given Scotty's problems and the form of Skipworth prior to the hamstring injury we tinkered to the structure that you have mentioned in your post (2 KPP, 3rd tall, 2 Smalls and rover).

Is this the best option? I really don't know to be honest. We have also seen in recent weeks that Winderlich has been moved forward at times to provide the leading target option. I think this will be a key strategic move when we get out midfielders back as we can then rotate McVeigh and Winderlich forward to break tags/have a rest, whilst maintaining a strong structure and dangerous forward line.

I was thinking of Winders and McVeigh when I posted that, but considering they tend to rest there more than play a full game there, I left them out. They sort of replace Zaka and Gus who have a spell on the bench.

From all reports it appears that Jetta took some strong marks in the VFL and was able to move into the midfield at times. That for me is the key in playing him before Zaharakis. If Leroy can move into the centre and make some solid contributions (which I think he did against Brisbane) this allows Davey to roam the inside 50m more exclusively and focus on forward pressure and scoring goals/assists. I just don't feel Zaharakis is in the same form of a month ago, even with his positional change, whilst Jetta has played some good games in the last month (VFL and AFL). We need to reward guys like Jetta who are doing exactly what Knights is asking. I dont know if Zaharakis is doing that at the moment given he is not taking the game on and looking to handball to stationary targets.

Given it's a night game at the 'G, I suspect Jetta might come in regardless of Zaka's form, like he did against Collingwood. Houli or Myers might be the unlucky ones.

It will be very interesting to see what happens when Skipworth is fully fit (assuming he plays VFL this week). I have a feeling Monfries will be in the gun if he doesn't play well against Richmond.

Against the Cats, I suspect we'll want to play bigger, more mature bodies, so Zaka might drop out for Skipworth, and Houli/Myers/Jetta for Prismall.

[Valve Bounce]

Wallace is gone.

[bomberfan101]

Cousins will also be out of the match :eek:

[lamaros]

Jetta has to make it in. We need a crumbing forward, he's played well in the VFL, and he was only out due to injury to begin with.

Hurley I don't know. He's been out for longer and doesn't have as obvious a replacement. Considering that Fletcher is likely to return against Geelong then McPhee might move up forward again. This puts Houli, Myers and NLM under the gun.

[LOZWILDA]

Wallace is still there and I thought we we're a chance for a moment!

[Dick johnson]

Our small forwards are trying to take big marks and not giving Lloyd/Neagle a hand around their ankles. We really need a true crumbing forward..Jetta plays.

true, betts and davis are contributing 4.1 and 2.4 goals respectively (on avg), while jetta and davey are only managing 0.7 and 1.1

if they could truely play that speedy crumbing forward and kick a few a game, all of sudden, thats another 18 or so points. can change a game dramatically

[SirJimi05]

Need to play Bellchambers as we need a back ruckman incase Ryder goes down.

Yeah maybe they should pick Lucas this week just as a backup in case Lloyd gets injured. :rolleyes:

Out: Bellchambers, Lonergan (only if McVeigh is fit to play)
IN: Hurley, McVeigh (if ready)

[Boucks09]

Yeah maybe they should pick Lucas this week just as a backup in case Lloyd gets injured. :rolleyes:

Out: Bellchambers, Lonergan (only if McVeigh is fit to play)
IN: Hurley, McVeigh (if ready)

The only way this would happen is if Hooker plays as the pinch hitter in the ruck (which is what I'm assuming you are referring to by bringing in Hurley).

Knights has been on the record as saying that he overplayed Ryder last week and will be giving more game time to Bellchambers and Laycock (when he comes back) to give Ryder plenty more help.

I think Knights feel responsible for Bellchambers' poor game due to a lack of opportunity and will keep him in this week.

[kelvin_sheedy]

Outs: Myers, Zaka
Ins : Hurley, Jetta

Hurley for Myers. Between Hooker, Pears and Hurley I'm sure they can cover the massive loss of Myers 8 possessions last week.

Jetta showed good form in VFL so gets another run. We need him to release Davey.

[Valve Bounce]

The fact this guy is still their coach will only cause confusion, since the "sacking" was supposed to be the result of his closed door diatribe following the loss to Port Adelaide last weekend.

I just can't see the benefit of an "off again on again" coach of any side, let alone an AFL side. How can the players have unstinting respect for the fellow?

I don't see this as a plus for the Bombers, but I definitely see this as a minus for the Tigers. They might just ask:"who the hell is really in charge of us?" :confused:

[FBDonkey]

The fact this guy is still their coach will only cause confusion, since the "sacking" was supposed to be the result of his closed door diatribe following the loss to Port Adelaide last weekend.

I just can't see the benefit of an "off again on again" coach of any side, let alone an AFL side. How can the players have unstinting respect for the fellow?

I don't see this as a plus for the Bombers, but I definitely see this as a minus for the Tigers. They might just ask:"who the hell is really in charge of us?" :confused:

where did this come from? lol

Really hope Hurley can get a game this week. I know Lovett-Murray played well 2 weeks ago, but i reckon he should step down for our superstar-to-be

[SirJimi05]

The only way this would happen is if Hooker plays as the pinch hitter in the ruck (which is what I'm assuming you are referring to by bringing in Hurley).

Knights has been on the record as saying that he overplayed Ryder last week and will be giving more game time to Bellchambers and Laycock (when he comes back) to give Ryder plenty more help.

I think Knights feel responsible for Bellchambers' poor game due to a lack of opportunity and will keep him in this week.


Yes this is what i was refering to. At this point in time i actually think that Hooker would provide a better backup option in the ruck over Belly and this would also give the team better structure and flexibility.

I liked the look of Hooker when he went into the ruck a few rounds back (against Brissy i think?). Good leap on him and a versatile type of player when the ball hits the deck. I also think he has the confidence to take the game on.

[SirJimi05]

where did this come from? lol



Not sure but i think he is refering to the off field sagas such as Wallet being sacked, reinstated, players calling for his head then pumping him up?

They are a rable and i expect us to beat them comfortably this week.

[pazza]

true, betts and davis are contributing 4.1 and 2.4 goals respectively (on avg), while jetta and davey are only managing 0.7 and 1.1

if they could truely play that speedy crumbing forward and kick a few a game, all of sudden, thats another 18 or so points. can change a game dramatically

All we would asking him to do is stay home close to goal.

[bombre-boy]

Out : Zaha, one of Monfries or Myers
In : Hurley, Jetta

The one thing that stood out on sunday, was how many time we got it in to the forward line to find one against 2 or 3.
As this is the only part of the game that i think needs fixing (apart from skills) then maybe Hurly could line up at CHF and jetta becomes a stay at home forward (maybe changes with davey).
This will hopefully give us another target and a crumber..

Doesnt matter who comes in/out we just have to win this game.

Thankfully we dont have to apply the sacked coach theory this week...but then again there might be a new sack and rehired coach theory..

[Boucks09]

Yes this is what i was refering to. At this point in time i actually think that Hooker would provide a better backup option in the ruck over Belly and this would also give the team better structure and flexibility.

I liked the look of Hooker when he went into the ruck a few rounds back (against Brissy i think?). Good leap on him and a versatile type of player when the ball hits the deck. I also think he has the confidence to take the game on.

I too think he did an ok job in the ruck and would certainly provide something around the ground....a lot more than Bellchambers.

My concern with moving Hooker out of defense is that it will make the unit even younger than last week and essentially place Pears as the general of the backline. Note that I am expecting McPhee to play wing/forward this week.

Whilst Pears has shown terrific signs that is a lot to place on a player with so little experience. Pears and Hurley have only played 1 game together (with Fletch also in the side), whilst Hooker and Pears have played 2.5 games together in the KPD roles without Fletcher in the side. It doesn't sound like much of a difference but I feel that they have worked really well together and thrived with the responsibilty. It is not only their work on key forwards, but also their composure and team work in running the ball out of defense which has been a highlight. To now throw in Hurley at the expense of Hooker may effect that defensive run as it take awhile for him to work with Pears (without Fletch and Hooker to support).

If Fletcher was in the side, I would probably agree with playing Hooker in place of Bellchambers.

[HULK HOGAN]

This may have already been mentioned, but did anyone see the article in todays paper, talking about Hurley possibly being brought in to play in the forward line this week?

Also I think Mcveigh will come back through the Vfl when he is ready to return.