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It was frustrating watching Neagle's game today.
He displays some great signs during games such as
- can take a contested mark
- ability to make space for other forwards
- above average kicking skills
But his fitness as been an issue since he arrived at Essendon.
It was obvious today that he didn't have the fitness to contribute in the second half and was able to reach few contests.
It would be good for him so spend time around the half forward line - because his field kicking skills are above average.
I understand that neagle has suffered from ankle problems in his first 3 seasons - but is this such a factor in him lacking fitness ?
Neagle has lots more to add to the team if he can increase his fitness !
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Rather hard to increase your fitness when you spend a lot of pre season on the side lines and miss out on the base work. Of course his ankle problems have affected his fitness along with the two ten week periods where he had been wearing a moon boot becasue of stress fractures in the foot.
He simply has not been able to train hard enough for extended periods of time over the last 3 years.
The fact that he has now played 8 or so weeks in a row is a good thing.
To be honest i am not worried that his second efforts fall down a bit or he has his oponent run off him for a couple of reasons. Firstly it was just the same with Lucas in the side as Scotty was too slow to catch anyone and sides ran off him every week (and have in the Bendigo games as well).
Secondly the forward line has operated reasonably well with Neagle leading up from the square. When Lucas has been in this year there where a lot of leads going to the same spot and with Lucas desperate to find some form he was actually trying to contest a lot of balls that he should have stayed out of. He was brining his oponent into contests along with him.
What is happening now is a good thing. He is getting early goals and building his fitness. Geelong have had the same issues with Hawkins and he is now starting to run into form.
The only thing i will say is if Jay gets the mental side 100% he will be a dangerous forward.
FrankGrimes
18 May 2009, 10:11
It was frustrating watching Neagle's game today.
He displays some great signs during games such as
- can take a contested mark
- ability to make space for other forwards
- above average kicking skills
But his fitness as been an issue since he arrived at Essendon.
It was obvious today that he didn't have the fitness to contribute in the second half and was able to reach few contests.
It would be good for him so spend time around the half forward line - because his field kicking skills are above average.
I understand that neagle has suffered from ankle problems in his first 3 seasons - but is this such a factor in him lacking fitness ?
Neagle has lots more to add to the team if he can increase his fitness !
i think not being able to run in pre season is a massive factor.... he is still young give him a couple of pre seasons and his fitness will lift... it just takes time to built a fitness base think people sometime forget that..
For a while i really worried about him, but nearly everytime he plays seniors he kicks a couple of goals and shows some brilliance. He shoudl basically be left in the seniors all year, give him a chance to get used to ti and fitter. He will be all the more better for it next year. He could give some oppositions some real headaches, as most backmen these days don't know how to compete with big bodies.
kelvin_sheedy
18 May 2009, 11:17
ankle shmankle.
He's one of those guys that needs to pull his finger out as he has some serious talent and to be carrying the weight he does is a joke.
It's like he put on a few kg's in a week by the look of him last night.
8 weeks of playing football week in and week out should get you in better condition then he is currently.
We are crying out for someone else to start snagging 4 or 5 goals a game and he can do it. Just git fit for christ sake.
saladin
18 May 2009, 11:28
three years ago, tim watson sent jobe to do a preseason with an old boxing /fitness guy that Tim used. from memory, he was doing three sessions per week (plus the essendon sessions). it totally transformed his physique and his ability to stay around the contests.
Neagle should do something similar.
I think the issues with Jobe was that he was being played as a KPP when he was clearly a mid.
saladin
18 May 2009, 11:39
I think the issues with Jobe was that he was being played as a KPP when he was clearly a mid.
he didn't have the fitness to play mid.
hateitorlovett13
18 May 2009, 11:53
he didn't have the fitness to play mid.
He didn't have the speed to play KPF
Valve Bounce
18 May 2009, 12:05
three years ago, tim watson sent jobe to do a preseason with an old boxing /fitness guy that Tim used. from memory, he was doing three sessions per week (plus the essendon sessions). it totally transformed his physique and his ability to stay around the contests.
Neagle should do something similar.
Jenny Craig - that's the answer. And shock treatment if he goes near Hungry Jacks or MacDonalds.
B-Bomber
18 May 2009, 12:48
While his presence has allowed our forward line to function more successfully then Lucas did, I'm hoping that as he plays more AFL games he will be getting the hunger to improve his performance -- and the main way he can do this is by improved fitness allowing him to get to more contests.
Is it that simple to say that the fact he has had more impact early in games then later a clear indication that fitness is an issue? Or is there an element of him being underrated by his opponent who tightens up after he gets off to a good start? I'm thinking there might be an element of both at least at the moment.
bomberstomake8
18 May 2009, 13:21
It was frustrating watching Neagle's game today.
He displays some great signs during games such as
- can take a contested mark
- ability to make space for other forwards
- above average kicking skills
But his fitness as been an issue since he arrived at Essendon.
It was obvious today that he didn't have the fitness to contribute in the second half and was able to reach few contests.
It would be good for him so spend time around the half forward line - because his field kicking skills are above average.
I understand that neagle has suffered from ankle problems in his first 3 seasons - but is this such a factor in him lacking fitness ?
Neagle has lots more to add to the team if he can increase his fitness !
he does push himself though which is really encouraging from my point of view. he has had a fair few injuries over his career, if he continues to push himself in matches and at training the fitness will come and he will be a real force. I think we need to keep playing him
bacon buster
18 May 2009, 14:04
i love the look of him, but it's obvious that he's not fit enough to run out a whole game.
we have a star on our hands when he gets fit though.
Its been awhile since we have a genuine nutter playing up forward, love his aggression. His fitness will improve game by game, the big thing will be can he have a full pre-season in 2010.
bacon buster
18 May 2009, 14:09
i loved his goal in the 2nd quarter. from 40 out, he blasted it over the goalposts just about.
great skills, if he gets a solid preseason in, he might be a 60+ goal kicker next year.
i loved his goal in the 2nd quarter. from 40 out, he blasted it over the goalposts just about.
great skills, if he gets a solid preseason in, he might be a 60+ goal kicker next year.
I loved that bump he put on dawson, walked back and stood over him. We need more physical players like him to compliment these runners we have. Pears, Neagle and Hurley will bring plenty of physical presence in the coming years.
bacon buster
18 May 2009, 14:16
last week he was getting into campbell brown as well.
with his agression, and hopefully more fitness/strength next year, he will split some packs nicely i think.
I loved that bump he put on dawson, walked back and stood over him. We need more physical players like him to compliment these runners we have. Pears, Neagle and Hurley will bring plenty of physical presence in the coming years.
I also saw Blake bumping and pushing Lloyd, Neagle walked up to him and then unleashed with the front of his shoulder into Blakes chest, Blake looked shocked. It's great to see someone with some real aggression in our side.
bomberz08
18 May 2009, 15:57
I also saw Blake bumping and pushing Lloyd, Neagle walked up to him and then unleashed with the front of his shoulder into Blakes chest, Blake looked shocked. It's great to see someone with some real aggression in our side.
Yeah i saw that too, a little bit of aggression is a good thing.
Hopefully his fitness builds and gets a full preseason next year. If he does, he will be great.
He is a great mark and kick. Probably equal best for us with Jobe in the first half.
Lance Uppercut
18 May 2009, 16:36
Its been awhile since we have a genuine nutter playing up forward, love his aggression. His fitness will improve game by game, the big thing will be can he have a full pre-season in 2010.
absolutely agree.
In 3-4 years time there could be some defenders wearing the brown undies, I tell you what. He is a scary, scary unit!
Valve Bounce
18 May 2009, 16:41
absolutely agree.
In 3-4 years time there could be some defenders wearing the brown undies, I tell you what. He is a scary, scary unit!
About time we had an enforcer. :eek:
Haduken
19 May 2009, 01:56
For some reason I see Pears in a similar light, he seems to have a bit of the mongrel about him. Hocking too. Nice to see us developing the grunt along with the class :)
Ant555
So we hope that neagle's feet and ankles stand up to more training in the next 2 years.
I like it when he can play across half forward because he has excellent foot skills.
mark1881
19 May 2009, 09:20
I watched Neagle pretty closely during the Saints game and I beleive it was the most fit I've ever seen him. In previous games beyond the first quarter you never saw the guy. Against St Kilda he lasted to a bit into the 3rd quarter, his fitness is slowly getting there.
He did quite a bit of forward chasing and attempted to put pressure on the ball carrier quite a bit. I think if we persist with this kid, good things will come!!!
ankle shmankle.
He's one of those guys that needs to pull his finger out as he has some serious talent and to be carrying the weight he does is a joke.
It's like he put on a few kg's in a week by the look of him last night.
8 weeks of playing football week in and week out should get you in better condition then he is currently.
We are crying out for someone else to start snagging 4 or 5 goals a game and he can do it. Just git fit for christ sake.
And you would know by seeing on TV wouldn't you :rolleyes:
I guess the fact that he is on a modified training program to monitor the stress fracture problems he has had with his feet escapes your interlect.
8 weeks of playing week in and week out will make you fitter but you can not catch up what you lost in pre season.
Pretty easy to stand on the sidelines and have pot shotsd when you do not know the full story KS but that seems to be how you operate. You just have random thoughts about things and in your mind they become fact.
Well heres a fact , i will come and smash your foot with a hammer and then stick you on a fitness program and see how well you are traveling ;)
Then you might get the picture .
TechnoViking
19 May 2009, 11:18
Totally agree Ant
Loving the way he chases and chases, tries his ar5e of as well.
Very important player, will be a gun fo sho
kelvin_sheedy
19 May 2009, 11:52
And you would know by seeing on TV wouldn't you :rolleyes:
I guess the fact that he is on a modified training program to monitor the stress fracture problems he has had with his feet escapes your interlect.
8 weeks of playing week in and week out will make you fitter but you can not catch up what you lost in pre season.
Pretty easy to stand on the sidelines and have pot shotsd when you do not know the full story KS but that seems to be how you operate. You just have random thoughts about things and in your mind they become fact.
Well heres a fact , i will come and smash your foot with a hammer and then stick you on a fitness program and see how well you are traveling ;)
Then you might get the picture .
Remember a guy called Jimmy Hird? He had pretty serious foot problems and never looked like a puffer fish. Ditto plenty of others.
I'm sick of you and others making excuses for him. The kid needs to be in better shape than he is. That's the bottom line.
No ifs, buts, maybes, excuses.
PressureCooker
19 May 2009, 12:31
For some reason I see Pears in a similar light, he seems to have a bit of the mongrel about him.
Did anyone else see Pears and Kosi at the start of the match? Kosi started to get into him a little, bumping him and what not, then all of a sudden you just see a big smile on Pears' face and the young boy gave Kosi a big two handed shove to the chest. Kosi backed off pretty quickly after that:D
Remember a guy called Jimmy Hird? He had pretty serious foot problems and never looked like a puffer fish. Ditto plenty of others.
I'm sick of you and others making excuses for him. The kid needs to be in better shape than he is. That's the bottom line.
No ifs, buts, maybes, excuses.
Yes i remember Hird and i also remember he missed a lot of footy becasue of it. I remember him playing 2 games in 1999 after it was thought he was over the injury.
Newsflash - people do not suffer injuries that are the same in every case. Stress fractures in the foot vary a lot from case to case.
Im not making ecuses im just telling you how it is . If you choose to go through life with your head up your arse and dont want to know part of what is going on then that is not my problem.
Once again you are proving what a total ignoramis you really are.
kelvin_sheedy
19 May 2009, 16:19
Yes i remember Hird and i also remember he missed a lot of footy becasue of it. I remember him playing 2 games in 1999 after it was thought he was over the injury.
Newsflash - people do not suffer injuries that are the same in every case. Stress fractures in the foot vary a lot from case to case.
Im not making ecuses im just telling you how it is . If you choose to go through life with your head up your arse and dont want to know part of what is going on then that is not my problem.
Once again you are proving what a total ignoramis you really are.
We've been down this road before with Neagle and I can't be bothered revisiting. He's not fit enough for AFL football at the moment and I'm not tolerating any excuses as to why that is the case. I don't care if he's injured, hungry or addicted to Krispy Kremes.
Hopefully he can start producing a little more each week and it sends Lucas into early retirement.
BTW, he's doing enough at the moment to get a game and he's not far off bagging 5 or 6 goals.
We've been down this road before with Neagle and I can't be bothered revisiting. He's not fit enough for AFL football at the moment and I'm not tolerating any excuses as to why that is the case. I don't care if he's injured, hungry or addicted to Krispy Kremes.
Hopefully he can start producing a little more each week and it sends Lucas into early retirement.
BTW, he's doing enough at the moment to get a game and he's not far off bagging 5 or 6 goals.
You do not want to take a hint do you.
The reason he is not at peak fitness is because he is on a modified training program. It is the clubs decision not to work him too hard becasue of continaul problems with his feet.
It is not about excuses.
It is how it is.
We have not been down this road before as i have never said he match fit. I only disputed your claim that he was carrying puppy fat when in fact i had seen him at training and posted a picture of him that showed he was not carrying condition.
I never once said he was match fit. Do not turn the story around!
I can not help it if you do not understand the concept.
BringBackCransberg
20 May 2009, 00:17
Is it possible that his bulk isn't fat but muscle? I'm guessing nothing's stopping him from hitting the gym, but he can't get the aerobic capacity cos of his feet.
I just think of a young Barry Hall the way he moves. I am dying to see him fully fit.