Who will be delisted at the end of the year?

[kangagirl7]

I just read about people suggesting players who are close to losing their spot in the team as the young guns push up. Im just wondering who you guys think will be delisted at the end of season 2009 from what you have seen from the season so far?

[Bowski]

I'd say Riggio, Harris, Obst, Adams, Watt, Wundke, Jones, White, Speight are all realistic chances.

[roodav]

A long way to go but those who could be possible

Watt
Harris
Jones
Obst
Riggio
Lower
Wundke
Adams
Garlett
Grima
Power
Simpson(retire)
Josh Smith
Ben Warren

Obviously would hope that Smith, Warren and Grima have done enough, would also hope Adams would be given another year, Garlett should have a chance to make a case to be elevated and Simmo should go another year. That leaves 6 or 7 who should be worried.

[kangagirl7]

A long way to go but those who could be possible

Watt
Harris
Jones
Obst
Riggio
Lower
Wundke
Adams
Garlett
Grima
Power
Simpson(retire)
Josh Smith
Ben Warren

Obviously would hope that Smith, Warren and Grima have done enough, would also hope Adams would be given another year, Garlett should have a chance to make a case to be elevated and Simmo should go another year. That leaves 6 or 7 who should be worried.

Yer I agree, Jones. Watt, Harris, Riggio, Adams and Lower may all be on the chopping board. Who I wouldnt want to see go from the list is Lower, Riggio and Harris .

[year of the roo]

A long way to go but those who could be possible

Watt - gone.
Harris - I don't think we will delist him, if he doesn't get another look in he will look to go elsewhere again. Someone will pick him up now that his value has plummetted.
Jones - Warren has gone past him. Turns 29 next year. Gone.
Obst - not enough tricks in the bag, gone.
Riggio - not writing him off yet, but it is going to be mighty hard for him to get a game when (if) our injury list clears. Was fortunate to get a game and really needed to make more of it.
Lower - like Obst, not enough tricks. Tradeable.
Wundke - won't make it.
Adams - worth another year. Has had one very nasty injury, an excuse Riggio can't use. If it is down to one of these 2, Patch gets the nod IMO.
Garlett - f*cking keep! Quick skillful midfielder. Nuff said.
Grima - young talented KPP. You don't have to name so many players ya know...
Power - LOL I don't even know anymore. He should go, but will he...?
Simpson(retire) - tough one here... really tough. If he was to retire I hope he sticks around in some capacity
Josh Smith - have doubts on whether he has the game to step up from VFL level. Is at the stage where he will dominate the lower grades, but is probably not quick, big or smart enough for AFL level I fear.
Ben Warren - no. Just no.

my thoughts...

[year of the roo]

I'd say Riggio, Harris, Obst, Adams, Watt, Wundke, Jones, White, Speight are all realistic chances.
Rough on White. Obviously I haven't seen him play, but the reports have been rather encouraging. O'Keefe I have heard very little about though?

[Bowski]

Rough on White. Obviously I haven't seen him play, but the reports have been rather encouraging. O'Keefe I have heard very little about though?

I agree and even when I saw him play live I thought he was ok. I would prefer we give him another year to develop and hopefully prosper but he is a realistic chance to go.
O'keefe seems to be doing his part in the VFL reserves and has been close to a senior berth, gets a pass because he's a KP forward who's young and skinny as a rake. Be shocked if we delisted O'keefe.

[roodav]

Don't the guys taken in the main draft get 2 year deals? That would leave White, Delaney, Speight and Obst in the gun (IIRC Meredith got a 2yr deal). I think Cruize will be given a senior spot if he does well on elevation this year. White, Delaney and Speight should probably get another year but that would leave us only 2 picks in the rookie draft. If we want more than that at least one would have to be elevated or delisted.

Regarding Simmo...presumably he is on the veterans list, if he were to retire we would only have Harvey on the vets list...does that mean we lose a senior spot but gain an extra rookie spot?

[Pykie]

Don't the guys taken in the main draft get 2 year deals? That would leave White, Delaney, Speight and Obst in the gun (IIRC Meredith got a 2yr deal). I think Cruize will be given a senior spot if he does well on elevation this year. White, Delaney and Speight should probably get another year but that would leave us only 2 picks in the rookie draft. If we want more than that at least one would have to be elevated or delisted.

Regarding Simmo...presumably he is on the veterans list, if he were to retire we would only have Harvey on the vets list...does that mean we lose a senior spot but gain an extra rookie spot?

It is extremely unusual for a draftee from the main draft to get delisted after a year on the list, although it has happened. (Austin Lucy - Ess)

Rookies can get 1 year deals (Most do)

We shouldnt have to elevate a rookie to take another rookie, that doesnt make much sense.

Elevating that rookie would take a spot on the senior list, since in most cases the better players are taken in the main draft.

I wouldn't be suprised to see the Irishman gone at the end of the season, as cruel as that sounds.

[Paddy_Mac]

Watt - Gone.
Harris - Trade (3rd-4th Round)
Jones - Going?
Obst - Gone.
Riggio - Going?
Lower - Tradeable.
Wundke - Gone.
Adams - Going?
Garlett - Keep
Grima - Keep
Power - Keep
Josh Smith - Going?
Ben Warren - Keep

[year of the roo]

Watt - Gone.
Harris - Trade (3rd-4th Round)
Jones - Going?
Obst - Gone.
Riggio - Going?
Lower - Tradeable.
Wundke - Gone.
Adams - Going?
Garlett - Keep
Grima - Keep
Power - Keep
Josh Smith - Going?
Ben Warren - Keep
I am loathed to ask, but... why???

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

I suggest we trade our whole team for Geelong's.:thumbsu:

[budge11]

The same NRB that thought Harris was worth more than a 2nd rounder last trade week? :o

[Joshen]

I am loathed to ask, but... why???

I agree where is the value in keeping Power?

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

The same NRB that thought Harris was worth more than a 2nd rounder last trade week? :o

Huh?

Last year he was worth a late first rounder early second rounder IMO.

[colroo]

ross smiths son its been that long i cant recall his name ,get rid of serial injury personell also get rid of
thomas. slow 2nds footballer
corey jones.hopeless kick
power. 2nds
goldstien .slow as

macintosh .slow
recruit big men with leg speed not big slow loping blokes

[kangagirl7]

Now that Liadley is gone, which players at the club are in danger if they do not step up?

[breeno]

Now that Liadley is gone, which players at the club are in danger if they do not step up?

I would have to say:



Greenwood
Watt
Jones
Harris
Jo.Smith (Maybe, I really rate the bloke, has been played out of position)
Riggio
Obst
Lower
Adams
Edwards (Smokey)
Power

They are all a chance if they don't perform. You could maybe throw Wundke into that list, but he has been too prominent in the 2nds. The leaders to go would be:

Watt
Riggio
Lower
Jones
Harris
Obst.

[kangagirl7]

I would have to say:



Greenwood
Watt
Jones
Harris
Jo.Smith (Maybe, I really rate the bloke, has been played out of position)
Riggio
Obst
Lower
Adams
Edwards (Smokey)
Power

They are all a chance if they don't perform. You could maybe throw Wundke into that list, but he has been too prominent in the 2nds. The leaders to go would be:

Watt
Riggio
Lower
Jones
Harris
Obst.
In the leaders list I wouldn't really mind seeing Watt, Jones and Obst go. But Riggio, Lower and Harris are players that just cant seem to cement their spot in the team and seem to come in one week and then dropped the next. Maybe with the new coach and all they may get the opportunity they just need. They all have potential but i guess they just arent the boys the club is looking for atm.

[AGC]

ross smiths son its been that long i cant recall his name ,get rid of serial injury personell also get rid of
thomas. slow 2nds footballer
corey jones.hopeless kick
power. 2nds
goldstien .slow as

macintosh .slow
recruit big men with leg speed not big slow loping blokes

Wow if that happened, we could potentially see the first time a guy has been selected for AA and delisted in the same year.

[Paddy_Mac]

Certainties:
Watt
Jones
Obst (Rookie)
Riggio

Likely:
Simpson
Harris
Greenwood
Power

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

Certainties:
Watt
Jones
Obst (Rookie)
Riggio

Likely:
Simpson
Harris
Greenwood
Power

He is contracted till the end of 2010.

He would be on around $200K plus... He won't be delisted.

[Paddy_Mac]

He is contracted till the end of 2010.

He would be on around $200K plus... He won't be delisted.
Trade is unlikely to happen now that the Gold Coast are about to come in. We will be rebuilding so he would be a complete waste on the list and I'm sure he knows this aswell. Contract will either be renegotiated or he will be a dick and ask for his unworthy cash. Either way he'll be delisted/traded.

EDIT: By the way if you didn't know, Corey Jones is no good now.

[breeno]

ross smiths son its been that long i cant recall his name ,get rid of serial injury personell also get rid of
thomas. slow 2nds footballer
corey jones.hopeless kick
power. 2nds
goldstien .slow as

macintosh .slow
recruit big men with leg speed not big slow loping blokes

If you know any 200cm sprinters, give us a call.

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

Trade is unlikely to happen now that the Gold Coast are about to come in. We will be rebuilding so he would be a complete waste on the list and I'm sure he knows this aswell. Contract will either be renegotiated or he will be a dick and ask for his unworthy cash. Either way he'll be delisted/traded.

EDIT: By the way if you didn't know, Corey Jones is no good now.

There is no way he will renegotiate for lesser money and theres no way we can afford to dump him and pay him $200K then pay another player to take his spot, just won't happen.

All I'm doing is stating fact, you may not like it but thats how it is.

[roodav]

Could we interest Sydney in taking Jones for a late/throwaway pick?

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

Could we interest Sydney in taking Jones for a late/throwaway pick?

I doubt they would be willing to pay the $$$ we have contracted Jones for.

[DannyJ]

I doubt they would be willing to pay the $$$ we have contracted Jones for.

You could pay half. That way you get another kid on your list and save some money. Sydney would be the only club that would take him, knowing them he would rediscover his form.

What has happened to Jones? He was so good only two years ago and is only 29. That ankle caught up with him?

I personally think your delistings will be a highish number given the next two years drafts are severley hampered. If I were to take charge I would be trading a big name player for a draft pick/s. Such as a Hale (it would be a tough call on an immensley talented player).

I think Simpson should retire due to age and where your list currently is, being a harsh judge probably missing finals in 2010 and I don't think Simmo will go past that year (could be wrong).

Now I don't watch you every week, but looking throughh your list, players in contention to be delisted/traded for lower value than a 2nd round pick are;

Power
Watt
Harris
Riggio
Jones (If a club agreed to what I suggested)

That gives you 6 positions available not including the Hale trade.
Your picks hypthetically are 6, 22, 38, 54.
Plus a selection you receive for CJones (third rounder).
Promote a rookie (your best one).

If Hale is traded you demand a top 10 pick. Or 11-16 with the added pick of around 30-35 (or a young player) to your list.

#Note the Hale trade is an example of a trade you could commit to. This could be an alternative player if you wish it to be.

One more thing: Get Jesse Smith 100% health and into your team.

[year of the roo]

Thanks for sharing your insight, Captain Obvious.

[DannyJ]

Thanks for sharing your insight, Captain Obvious.

Delistings are obvious when your not having a great year:rolleyes:

[mark73]

In order of numbers;

Lower - Doesn't add enough. He's a bit of this and that but not too much of anything. We've got him covered.

Harris - We'd all love Harro to turn it around but I think the game has past him. He's great at extracting the pill but can't really do much else. Slow and average skills.

Power - Not delist worthy but a coach with an attacking gameplan won't hold Power in high regard.

Greenwood - It's hard to make a call on a guy who has only played 3 games but even that early there are still signs. I saw signs with Warren that early, I've seen signs with Wright and obviously Ziebell, but I didn't really see them with Greenwood. And if Scotty's rumour is true and he wants to go back to SA, we should try and see what we can get out of it.

Riggio - Goneski. 5 years on a list for a return of 9 average games simply isn't good enough. Every year the club says we have to get him up and going and every year he doesn't. They must be losing patience, I know I am.

Watt - Serves no purpose, has been tried in just about every position to see if it works and it hasn't. Thought he would've been gone last year. Will be 30 next year and I wouldn't be surprised if he's been told already.

Obst - Tries hard but simply isn't up to it. His skills are terrible.

That's about it. I actually think the club will hang on to Jones for another year. Can't believe people are throwing up Adams. Is going to be a top player if he ever gets a good run with injury.

[trooroo4life]

One more thing: Get Jesse Smith 100% health and into your team.

trust me its what every north fan is waiting for ,the kid is pure class

Lower - Doesn't add enough. He's a bit of this and that but not too much of anything. We've got him covered.

i totaly disagree now the reality is he's not nor will he ever be the best player we have , but in a few years he may be our most or 2nd most important (ziebell is always gonna be the most important because he will become the face of the club) but what i am getting at is brady rawlings is only gonna be around for a few more years , second in line as a full fledged tagger in my opinion is ed lower , as ive said before he is a very good tagger , the job he done on gilbee which i cant remember if it was last year or this year, most likely last year and jobs hes done on others have been outstanding , i think he is vauable to our squad and should be kept on for another 2-3 year term at the least

[DeputyViceCaptain]

Power must go. List clogger.

Simmo, Harris, Watt and Jones will hang up the boots.

[kangagirl7]

Power must go. List clogger.

Simmo, Harris, Watt and Jones will hang up the boots.
Im happy with this but Simmo must stay for a few more years as the younger boys come through.

[DeputyViceCaptain]

Hm. One year at the most KangaGirl. He could always pull on the yellow get up.

[spina#39]

Gone for sure:

Josh Smith - Too goo for VFL, not good enough for AFL
Watt - Hasn't done enough to secure his spot.
Riggio - 5 years for 9 games. Hasn't shown enough. Could get a reprieve on the rookie list if he is young enough
At least one rookie

Could go depending on new coach's plans:

Obst - Doesn't get out on the park in the ones enough
Jones - Old, slow, hasn't been the same since he did his ankle and missed to 07 finals
Meredith - Will take a long time to develop and learn the game. This year is an introductory year, so don't be surprised if he is dumped and redrafted to get him an extra year
Edwards - Inconsistent, undisicplined (refer pre-season incident) Can show good things. If the new coach is a discipline crazed hard nut, expect him to be on his last chance
Harris - Doesn't get in the thick of it often enough
Power - His performances on the field say enough

[breeno]

Gone for sure:

Josh Smith - Too goo for VFL, not good enough for AFL
Watt - Hasn't done enough to secure his spot.
Riggio - 5 years for 9 games. Hasn't shown enough. Could get a reprieve on the rookie list if he is young enough
At least one rookie

Could go depending on new coach's plans:

Obst - Doesn't get out on the park in the ones enough
Jones - Old, slow, hasn't been the same since he did his ankle and missed to 07 finals
Meredith - Will take a long time to develop and learn the game. This year is an introductory year, so don't be surprised if he is dumped and redrafted to get him an extra year
Edwards - Inconsistent, undisicplined (refer pre-season incident) Can show good things. If the new coach is a discipline crazed hard nut, expect him to be on his last chance
Harris - Doesn't get in the thick of it often enough
Power - His performances on the field say enough

I don't agree Smith is gone for sure. Wait until we've played him in his proper position for at least 4 or 5 games before we make a decision.

[spina#39]

If you know any 200cm sprinters, give us a call.

Brad Moran. And to think we got rid of him.

[DeputyViceCaptain]

Brad Moran. And to think we got rid of him.

...And kept Hale

[breeno]

But gained Scotty D, which I'm happy about.

[boomer_u_champ]

Riggio: not good enough we have alot of kids better than him. worth a trade with one of the WA clubs for a Vic kids that wants to come home or a draft pick.

Watt: Gone

Jones: Gone, to late to start performing now.

Harris: should be one of our main mids and should be tearing it up with hes experience i like Harro but i think the end is near for him.

Obst: Good VFL player but i dont think hes good enough for AFL.

Lower: Dont think he has what it takes to be a good AFL player. Put him on the trade table see if we can get anything for him.

Power: Trade/Delist

Hale: Trade

[DeputyViceCaptain]

Riggio: not good enough we have alot of kids better than him. worth a trade with one of the WA clubs for a Vic kids that wants to come home or a draft pick.

Watt: Gone

Jones: Gone, to late to start performing now.

Harris: should be one of our main mids and should be tearing it up with hes experience i like Harro but i think the end is near for him.

Obst: Good VFL player but i dont think hes good enough for AFL.

Lower: Dont think he has what it takes to be a good AFL player. Put him on the trade table see if we can get anything for him.

Power: Trade/Delist

Hale: Trade

An almost flawless analysis.:thumbsu: What sort of trade would we get for Power?!?!?:confused:

[boomer_u_champ]

An almost flawless analysis.:thumbsu: What sort of trade would we get for Power?!?!?:confused:

A late draft pick would be nice.

[spina#39]

An almost flawless analysis.:thumbsu: What sort of trade would we get for Power?!?!?:confused:

Hopefully around pick 47, which is what we gave away for him.

[boomer_u_champ]

Hopefully around pick 47, which is what we gave away for him.
Just had a look it was Pick 48

We made a bad move giving that pick away for him.
From that draft here is some of the kids that we could of got with that pick:

Pick 52: Bradd Dalziell: Who has Averaged 25 disposals in 12 games for Brisbane.

Pick 53: Kyle Cheney: Whos played 6 games for Melbourne.

Pick 54: Cale Hooker: Whos played 11 games for Essendon.

Pick 59: Craig Bird: Played 32 games for the Swans.

Pick 75: Taylor Walker

[breeno]

Oh, my goodness. Are you saying we could've had Dalziell (absolute gun!), Hooker, Walker? Please just don't tell anyone that.

[boomer_u_champ]

Oh, my goodness. Are you saying we could've had Dalziell (absolute gun!), Hooker, Walker? Please just don't tell anyone that.

Yeap

[breeno]

Dalziell would be handy in our midfield.

[Kahuna]

Yeap

You couldn't of got Walker as he was a Crows scholarship player.

[breeno]

You couldn't of got Walker as he was a Crows scholarship player.

Dalziell would of been handy.;)

[boomer_u_champ]

You couldn't of got Walker as he was a Crows scholarship player.

My bad didnt no that.

[boomer_u_champ]

Dalziell is a gun. Just wished we would of got him.

There were also players that went in the rookie draft and pre season draft that would of been handy to get.

Check it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_AFL_Draft

[spina#39]

Just had a look it was Pick 48

Pick 59: Craig Bird: Played 32 games for the Swans.

Pick 75: Taylor Walker

They were already pre-listed as NSW scholarship players to their respective clubs, so we couldn't pick them regardless.

[DeputyViceCaptain]

I think its safe to say a late pick would have been a better option.

We wont get anything for him now. Who would want him? Gold Coast?

[kenyonsmithj]

Who gives a shit about ur flog bag of a club u should have gone 2 gc when u had the chance

[mark73]

You couldn't of got Walker as he was a Crows scholarship player.

I'm pretty sure Bird was tied to Sydney through a similar thing as well. Dalziell is the one we could have realistically had but we weren't the only club who overlooked him so I don't think we can be hung for that.

[mark73]

Who gives a shit about ur flog bag of a club u should have gone 2 gc when u had the chance

See what happens when you're a ****wit? :thumbsu:

[colroo]

We must delist
thomas, soft
simpson , old
hansen, not as good as everyone thinks
power , not good enough
pratt, head case
jones , plays afl with no right foot
put hale in ruck
put gold to f/forward
petrie centre half forward or full back

[DeputyViceCaptain]

We must delist
thomas, soft
simpson , old
hansen, not as good as everyone thinks
power , not good enough
pratt, head case
jones , plays afl with no right foot
put hale in ruck
put gold to f/forward
petrie centre half forward or full back

I pretty much agree with everything except the ones in bold. Hansen will be fine. He was coming along nicely till he did his hammy. Hale is better value as a trade. He had 2 or 3 really good games a year and then he contributes zilch. Goldstein is a 2nd ruckman, nothing more, nothing less.

[John Dorian]

Who gives a shit about ur flog bag of a club u should have gone 2 gc when u had the chance
Go win a premiership.

[kool kangas]

We must delist
thomas, soft
simpson , old
hansen, not as good as everyone thinks
power , not good enough
pratt, head case
jones , plays afl with no right foot
put hale in ruck
put gold to f/forward
petrie centre half forward or full back

Hansen will be ok. Keep him at CHF
While Power keeps racking up 25+ possessions per game and yes l know he has got faults with his game l'd keep him because we wont get anything for him in the trade.
Hale needs to be traded. He's not our answer at FF and Goldstein is a better choice as a 2nd ruckman.
Petrie should be our CHB with Grima FB.
l agree with the rest but dont forget the others in the Magoos..

Jess Smith needs to be delisted......how long can we live in hope that he gets his body right........hammy gone again this week.
Riggio........l like this guy but l think he'll just be a pitch hitter for us and some younger kids are going to pass him.
Lower wont hold a spot so trade him back to Port Adelaide for a pick.

l thing l'm not sure about is will Wudnke be a consistant player for us. Everytime l've see him he hasnt impressed. Josh Smith definately needs to get some game time in the 1st towards the end of the season to see how he manages it.

[trenners]

Who gives a shit about ur flog bag of a club u should have gone 2 gc when u had the chance



f*uck last time i checked we have more members and we arent even near the top! shows how much of a club urs is :thumbsu: and wens the last time the doggies have won a flag? sorry im actully not sure :p. u jacka*s :thumbsu:

[roos_fanatic08]

Delist:
Jones
Power
Harris
Lower
Simpson (retire)
One of Wundke or Smith
Riggio
Watt
Obst

Elevate:
Marcus White and Cruize Garlett

That would give us 6-7 picks in the national draft and 2-3 rookies. Perfect.

[budge11]

Only ones I'm sure of so far is Riggio, Watt and Obst. Simply not up to AFL standard.

[B Tron]

Delist:
Highly likely:
Speight
Meredith
Watt
Riggio
Obst

Possibly:
Edwards
Josh Smith
Wundke
Lower
Jones
Harris

Promote:
White
Delaney

2010 Team:

Gibson - 189 Thompson - 190 Grima - 193
Urquhart - 181 Hansen - 197 Je. Smith - 191
Wells - 184 Ziebell - 188 Anthony - 189
Harvey - 173 Petrie - 197 Warren - 186
Campbell - 172 Tarrant - 197 Wright - 188

McIntosh - 203 Swallow - 180 Firitto - 190

Pratt - 186 Hale - 201 McMahon - 185 Ross - 178

Reserves: Benjamin, Harding, Garlett, O'Keefe, Rawlings, Simpson, Greenwood, Goldstein, Power, Adams, Thomas

Our best 22 is still strong after a deep list cut (average age will be just over 23). Up to 8 places may be available on the list. Pick Mids first couple of rounds) and Forwards in the draft. Hale (maybe Urq and Warren) to GC at the end of 2010 for more picks. Get the list surgery right this year and we can could be flying at the start of the next decade.

Too much? Maybe.

[year of the roo]

Is Warren Benjamin a candidate for delisting? Taken late in the draft and has barely played a VFL seniors match. I realise not many are delisted after only a season, but he has shown almost nothing after being a smokey selection in the first place. Cannot blame injuries either. I would rate our entire rookie list as better prospects.

[B Tron]

Is Warren Benjamin a candidate for delisting? Taken late in the draft and has barely played a VFL seniors match. I realise not many are delisted after only a season, but he has shown almost nothing after being a smokey selection in the first place. Cannot blame injuries either. I would rate our entire rookie list as better prospects.

If Riggio got five, Warren gets at least two.

[year of the roo]

If Riggio got five, Warren gets at least two.
Riggio was our first pick in the 2005 draft. Benjamin was our last pick. Riggio was under-aged, Benjamin wasn't. He could easily be delisted and then put on the rookie list later too.

[mark73]

Riggio was our first pick in the 2005 draft. Benjamin was our last pick. Riggio was under-aged, Benjamin wasn't. He could easily be delisted and then put on the rookie list later too.

On top of that, I've seen him a few times this year and like Alan Obst he's strong and athletic but doesn't appear to have any discernible football skills. I don't think he'll be around for the long haul. You're in trouble when you're struggling to get a senior game in the reserves. Having said that, Riggio may as well start packing his bags.

[budge11]

Reserves: Benjamin, Harding, Garlett, O'Keefe, Rawlings, Simpson, Greenwood, Goldstein, Power, Adams, Thomas



Dunno bout those two. If Simmo stays, I don't want him to dwindle in the 2's for his last year, he deserves better. Harding is in our top 5 most important players, one of the only players who takes on the game and wins.

[B Tron]

I guess I find it hard to fit Harding in 'going forward' but I agree, he has been immense this year in comparison to seasons past. The question I asked myself was who do I omit in his stead? Firitto? Ross? Wright?

As for Simmo, undoubted club champion and if he plays on next year I am sure there will be vaue in his selection. Again, who do you omit? I would love to see him stay, kinda like Ross Smith in 96, supporting the kids and showing them the North way. Damn I loved JW's old man.

[colroo]

Delist:
Highly likely:
Speight
Meredith
Watt
Riggio
Obst

Possibly:
Edwards
Josh Smith
Wundke
Lower
Jones
Harris

Promote:
White
Delaney

2010 Team:

Gibson - 189 Thompson - 190 Grima - 193
Urquhart - 181 Hansen - 197 Je. Smith - 191
Wells - 184 Ziebell - 188 Anthony - 189
Harvey - 173 Petrie - 197 Warren - 186
Campbell - 172 Tarrant - 197 Wright - 188

McIntosh - 203 Swallow - 180 Firitto - 190

Pratt - 186 Hale - 201 McMahon - 185 Ross - 178

Reserves: Benjamin, Harding, Garlett, O'Keefe, Rawlings, Simpson, Greenwood, Goldstein, Power, Adams, Thomas

Our best 22 is still strong after a deep list cut (average age will be just over 23). Up to 8 places may be available on the list. Pick Mids first couple of rounds) and Forwards in the draft. Hale (maybe Urq and Warren) to GC at the end of 2010 for more picks. Get the list surgery right this year and we can could be flying at the start of the next decade.

Too much? Maybe.
mcmahon is a gun and so is harding, keep harris too

[Arden_St_Forever]

Apologies is this offends anyone but despite his two Syd Barker medals, I think the new coach (whoever that may be?) must book an office meeting at this seasons' end with Brady Rawlings and advise his that he is not in the on-field plannings for 2010 and beyond.

[year of the roo]

Apologies is this offends anyone but despite his two Syd Barker medals, I think the new coach (whoever that may be?) must book an office meeting at this seasons' end with Brady Rawlings and advise his that he is not in the on-field plannings for 2010 and beyond.
I think we can only afford to keep 2 out of Rawlings, Simpson, Lower and Power. These 4 fall into the category of slow, mostly negative minded midfielders with below par skills. I don't think we should have more than 2 of this type, with perhaps only 1 playing regularly. Simmo retiring might save Brady, I don't think we can afford to lose both. That would be a lot of missing experience and leadership on-field.

[mark73]

I think we can only afford to keep 2 out of Rawlings, Simpson, Lower and Power. These 4 fall into the category of slow, mostly negative minded midfielders with below par skills. I don't think we should have more than 2 of this type, with perhaps only 1 playing regularly. Simmo retiring might save Brady, I don't think we can afford to lose both. That would be a lot of missing experience and leadership on-field.

I turned the game off in disgrace the other night. Once again we blew an early lead through pisspoor disposal. The long bomb out of the pack or down the wing to Carey isn't going to work if he's not there. What was the point of paying Hale for another 3 years? The guy is 200cm and 106kg's and can't even stand up in a marking contest. I'd wear it if we were really that bad but this guy has kicked 8 in a match against what will be the premiers.

Delivery is also a problem. I agree with you about the Simpson, Rawlings, Power etc thing. Power is the fall down. At least the other 2 serve a purpose. But we can't continue to go through years having mediocre midfielders or "stoppers". It's not going to work, not with the disposal of some of our players.

[roodav]

Is my understanding correct in that Simpson's retirement won't free up a list spot as he is a veteran we will just be allowed one more rookie?

As we can acknowledge we are in a development phase, we will be clearing out players over the next 2 years at least. Its not really beneficial to delist everyone we need to this year. I reckon we'll probably get rid of 6 players+Simmo from the main list, with Garlett being elevated. Thus giving us 5 picks in the draft unless we get any through trades. We need to identify which players aren't going to take us forward and evaluate the best timeline to get rid of them. We also need to where we can, give the opportunites to the players who are going to take us forward.

I can see Power, Rawlings, Jones all being on the list next year but hopefully not playing every week.
I see Watt, Harris, Riggio going this year, another 3 depending on coaches opinions on who deserves another year or not, this is unfortunate as its not beyond reason that none of these coaches will be with us next year, but they will have to be the ones making the decision.

[DarwinRoo]

Brad Moran. And to think we got rid of him.

...And kept Hale

He was offered a one year deal and didn't take it. He isn't exactly dominating the comp now is he.

[DarwinRoo]

Power and Rawlings must go to make way for Kane Tenace.

[B-Rock]

Power and Rawlings must go to make way for Kane Tenace.

Nobody is suggesting that.

Let me guess, you believe we should hold onto Power and Rawlings though?

Shannon Watt also?

Just curious.

[DarwinRoo]

Nobody is suggesting that.

Let me guess, you believe we should hold onto Power and Rawlings though?

Shannon Watt also?

Just curious.

year of the roo suggest we trade a 3rd or 4th rounder for Kane Tenace.

Id keep Rawlings and Power but I think Watt will be delisted/retire.

[B-Rock]

year of the roo suggest we trade a 3rd or 4th rounder for Kane Tenace.

Id keep Rawlings and Power but I think Watt will be delisted/retire.

Where do you see Rawlings and Power benefiting the team moving forward?

[DeputyViceCaptain]

Where do you see Rawlings and Power benefiting the team moving forward?

I think Rawlings is okay for now. He is more of tagger and is ostensibly a leader at least. Another year or two left in him. Power, does not know the meaning of forward. Up, down, left, right, backwards, sidewards, just not forward. Has to go.

Darwin Roo can be excused for taht though, its coming into Build-up season up north. Makes people a little cooky ;). Either that or too much Paw-Paw salad at Rapid Creek markets.

[DarwinRoo]

I think Rawlings is okay for now. He is more of tagger and is ostensibly a leader at least. Another year or two left in him. Power, does not know the meaning of forward. Up, down, left, right, backwards, sidewards, just not forward. Has to go.

Darwin Roo can be excused for taht though, its coming into Build-up season up north. Makes people a little cooky ;). Either that or too much Paw-Paw salad at Rapid Creek markets.

Just wondering DVC but can you tell me what direction the ball goes in when we switch play?

[Reggie Briedis]

trade Hansen. i have nothing personal against the guy but he adds no value to the team as far as i'm concerned.

[B-Rock]

Just wondering DVC but can you tell me what direction the ball goes in when we switch play?

You didn't answer my question DarwinRoo.

[DarwinRoo]

You didn't answer my question DarwinRoo.

Both are leaders within the club and are great examples about how to get the best out of yourself despite limitations. They both run all day and always play to the coach's instructions.

If we had talented midfielders who worked as hard as they do then they would be in trouble but until that happens they both deserve a spot on the list as far as I am concerned.

[year of the roo]

year of the roo suggest we trade a 3rd or 4th rounder for Kane Tenace.

Id keep Rawlings and Power but I think Watt will be delisted/retire.
I said for a swap of 3rd/4th rounders. In other words we send a pick to them and get a higher one back. In other words, not giving up a lot at all. Tenace offers a zillion times more than Power. Not Rawlings.

[DarwinRoo]

I said for a swap of 3rd/4th rounders. In other words we send a pick to them and get a higher one back. In other words, not giving up a lot at all. Tenace offers a zillion times more than Power. Not Rawlings.

What football games have you been watching? The only thing Kane Tenace offers is someone other than Shannon Watt will represent North in the Grand Final sprint.

You do realise that he was a top 10 pick? You realise the bloke has played a total of 13 games in the past 3 years?

[year of the roo]

What football games have you been watching? The only thing Kane Tenace offers is someone other than Shannon Watt will represent North in the Grand Final sprint.

You do realise that he was a top 10 pick? You realise the bloke has played a total of 13 games in the past 3 years?
He has upside. Potential to improve. Power has none, is rubbish and will always be rubbish. I think as a late pick, as the 39th(ish) bloke on the list Tenace is worth a gamble. So long as we don't play him every week if he stinks up the joint like Power does.

[DarwinRoo]

He has upside. Potential to improve. Power has none, is rubbish and will always be rubbish. I think as a late pick, as the 39th(ish) bloke on the list Tenace is worth a gamble. So long as we don't play him every week if he stinks up the joint like Power does.

What a bunch of bullshit. He is 24 and is still not an established player. For a midfielder that is terrible. He has no upside and no potential. We should not be picking up 24yo's in the hope that they might someday fulfill their potential. He will not improve us as a club and if he does stink up the joint we have just wasted a chance to pick up another Anthony, Thompson or Goldstein.

You should have a chat with a few Geelong supporters and see what they think of him.

[DeputyViceCaptain]

Just wondering DVC but can you tell me what direction the ball goes in when we switch play?

I can see where you're headed with that Darwin Roo. My point is how often I have seen Power shirk the responsibility of kicking to a forward target. I have also literally seen him run (and he can run) away from the opposition ball carrier. Coaches instructions? Perhaps...

[year of the roo]

What a bunch of bullshit. He is 24 and is still not an established player. For a midfielder that is terrible. He has no upside and no potential. We should not be picking up 24yo's in the hope that they might someday fulfill their potential. He will not improve us as a club and if he does stink up the joint we have just wasted a chance to pick up another Anthony, Thompson or Goldstein.

You should have a chat with a few Geelong supporters and see what they think of him.
I'm not going to argue with you, bad luck. I think he is worth a punt, you don't. Whatever.

[__aria__]

kane tenace

you have got to be joking

if we got kane tenace he would actually be the worst kick on our list

[Zondor]

kane tenace

you have got to be joking

if we got kane tenace he would actually be the worst kick on our listYep and if you can't kick then you're for the tip to steal a phrase from my good mate Big DF.:thumbsu:

[Chadwiko]

Yeah, can't believe Geelong is playing duds like Ablett, Bartel, Selwood and Ling ahead of Tenace.

[breeno]

I think the big decision will be Wundke/Smith/Edwards. Only 2 of them 3 should be retained, considering we have Warren and Jones aswell. If Smith was playing FF in the VFL it'd make the call to promote him into the seniors easier.

[year of the roo]

I think the big decision will be Wundke/Smith/Edwards. Only 2 of them 3 should be retained, considering we have Warren and Jones aswell. If Smith was playing FF in the VFL it'd make the call to promote him into the seniors easier.
I think you're right. If there was more depth in the draft this year I think players like Edwards, Lower and Power would be moved on. Watt, Wundke, Smith, Harris, Riggio and Simpson are certainties to go IMO. The former 3 could get reprieves.

[breeno]

Only certainties would be Watt, Simpson and Riggio for mine.

[Mr. Blonde]

I think the big decision will be Wundke/Smith/Edwards. Only 2 of them 3 should be retained, considering we have Warren and Jones aswell. If Smith was playing FF in the VFL it'd make the call to promote him into the seniors easier.

I'd delist all 3.

Smith has had 2 years and can't get a game.
Edwards has gone backwards.
Wundke doesn't have much to offer IMO.

[breeno]

I'd delist all 3.

Smith has had 2 years and can't get a game.
Edwards has gone backwards.
Wundke doesn't have much to offer IMO.

I'd look at that option, and I'm not against it, but it would leave our forward stocks amazingly low.