View Full Version : [ICC Cricket World Cup 2003] - South Africa vs West Indies
GoEagles
8 Feb 2003, 16:01
Discuss the South Africa vs West Indies game on this thread.
No, I want to start my own thread and take all the credit for it :p
ScouseCat
8 Feb 2003, 19:38
The West Indies will start underdogs in this match but one-day cricket is a funny game and they aren't without a chance. Their batting looks to be their strength with Gayle, Lara, Hooper, Chanderpaul, Samuels, Powell and the keeper Jacobs in their squad. South Africa look strong though, Gibbs, Kirsten, Kallis and Kluesner will be ones to look out for with the bat while Pollock, Ntini and Donald will lead their bowling attack.
The pressure will be on the Proteas in this game. They're playing in front of their home crowd on their own conditions, but no host nation has won the World Cup in the history of the competition so history suggests they might struggle.
Whatever happened to Jimmy Adams ?
He hasn't played International Cricket for over 2 years.
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Whatever happened to Jimmy Adams ?
Got the chop/retired after the humilating series against Australia a couple of years back.
Originally posted by ScouseCat
The West Indies will start underdogs in this match but one-day cricket is a funny game and they aren't without a chance. Their batting looks to be their strength with Gayle, Lara, Hooper, Chanderpaul, Samuels, Powell and the keeper Jacobs in their squad. South Africa look strong though, Gibbs, Kirsten, Kallis and Kluesner will be ones to look out for with the bat while Pollock, Ntini and Donald will lead their bowling attack.
The pressure will be on the Proteas in this game. They're playing in front of their home crowd on their own conditions, but no host nation has won the World Cup in the history of the competition so history suggests they might struggle.
I think the West Indies are a good chance. They have some terrific young batsmen who have really started to come on, especially in he one-day game. Ronnie Sarwan and Chris Gayle head this list. Wavell Hinds is also playing well ATM. Samuels is another but I think he is out injured for the WC. Add these youngsters to Lara, Cahnderpaul and Hopper and there batting stacks up to any in the world.
Their biggest problem will come from their bowling. They need to get more out of young players Collymore, Pedro Collins and Lawson. Dillon, McClean and Drakes will have to step up as well.
But, in one day cricket a good bowling attack is less important than in test cricket, so I think the Windies can do well - especially if they can perform in this match and get some confidence early.
Im tipping the windies to pull off a upset...they nearly did it at the ICC Championship trophy tourny and they would have won if it wasnt for that no ball that Merv Dillion bowled with the last ball (which of course ended up becoming the 2nd last ball).
I found this article on the West Indies Cricket Board website
www.windiescricket.com
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7 February 2003 13:38
Marlon Samuels
SAMUELS LEAVE TODAY FOR THE CRICKET WORLD CUP
by WICB Media Release
ST. JOHN'S, Antigua - West Indies batsman Marlon Samuels will leave Kingston this evening for the Cricket World Cup 2003 in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Kenya.
The CWC 2003 Technical Committee gave its approval on Friday for the reinstatement of Samuels after it heard the West Indies Cricket Board's case presented by Acting Chief Executive Officer, Roger Brathwaite, to allow the gifted, young batsman to rejoin the 15-member squad in South Africa.
"We are pleased with the decision of the CWC 2003 Technical Committee and we are now looking forward to Marlon joining the squad and giving of his best for West Indies in the CWC 2003," remarked Michael Hall, the Chief Cricket Operations Officer of the WICB.
Samuels arrives in Cape Town on Sunday morning ahead of the CWC 2003 opener, a day/night contest between West Indies and South Africa later in the day.
Ryan Hinds, Samuels' replacement when he was withdrawn from the squad a fortnight ago, will return to the Caribbean to represent Barbados in the Carib Beer 2003 Cricket Series and is likely to depart South Africa no later than Monday.
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Is anyone going to watch it tonight? It goes from 11pm-7am so I'll try and watch some of it. SA should win easily but I will be barracking for the Windies (I can't stand the South Africans).
EagleBlue
9 Feb 2003, 12:50
Originally posted by St-KriS
Im tipping the windies to pull off a upset...they nearly did it at the ICC Championship trophy tourny and they would have won if it wasnt for that no ball that Merv Dillion bowled with the last ball (which of course ended up becoming the 2nd last ball).
So am I BUT they must bowl well, that is their weakness. I hope they belt the arse of the big headed wannabies. BTW I also think the poms will beat them in England later in the year.
crudbucket
9 Feb 2003, 14:40
Sri Lanka was one of the host nations when they won in 1995
mattyc2422
9 Feb 2003, 15:04
Go you Windies. I love to watch the Windies play. Their aggresiveness, yet easy going nature makes the games they are involved in a joy to watch.
Sarwan will make a big impact on this tournament.
EagleBlue
9 Feb 2003, 15:50
Originally posted by mattyc2422
Go you Windies. I love to watch the Windies play. Their aggresiveness, yet easy going nature makes the games they are involved in a joy to watch.
Sarwan will make a big impact on this tournament.
Plus Lara, Hooper, Chanderpaul and (apparently) Gayle. They should make some big scores in the tournament. One of the reasons I think they will make the S/F
Originally posted by EagleBlue
Plus Lara, Hooper, Chanderpaul and (apparently) Gayle. They should make some big scores in the tournament. One of the reasons I think they will make the S/F
Gayle is going to be a gun player. He has really hit his straps in the last 12 months. 400+ runs in the 7-match one-day series in India is a fair effort!
Reminds me a lot of Clive Lloyd .... hits the ball just as hard too.
West Indies won the toss and will bat first.
NICK THE PIE MAN
9 Feb 2003, 21:10
Go the Windies!
"Yah man!"
Ian Chappell is so cruel.He's just compared Ricardo Powell to Andrew Symonds. :eek:
SA pop idol winner Heinz Winkler singing the national anthem of the West Indies
The above quote is from cricinfo. How can the West Indies have a national anthem when they are not a nation?
For anyone interested, their is a webcast available for this match and other big matches at http://www.wisden.com/liveaudio/worldcup/ The feed is an original feed put together by Wisden and sounds very stuffed-shirt!!
Renegade
9 Feb 2003, 21:45
or u could put on channel 9
Originally posted by Renegade
or u could put on channel 9
The reception for channel 9 is a bit fuzzy in Paris.
Fall Out Boy
9 Feb 2003, 21:52
Well, it didn't take long for a pathetic umpiring decision.
Wavell Hinds has every right to be mightily ****ed.
wagstaff
9 Feb 2003, 21:59
West Indies struggling at 2-7 in the 7th over. Hinds was out for a duck and Lara was almost out first ball (getting too squared up as he can early in his innings).
South Africa's opening bowlers are both very good but I think the WI have made it harder for themselves by leaving too many balls early in the innings.
Glad i chose Gayle in the knock out comp...
was well worth it....
Briedis
10 Feb 2003, 01:28
Originally posted by Jaymin
Glad i chose Gayle in the knock out comp...
was well worth it....
He'll come good don't worry! How unlucky was that dragging a wide one back onto his stumps. I was very dissapointed he went so early, I love watching him bat....
West Indies finished with 279 for 5. An absolutely outstanding effort considering they were 67-2 after 25 overs!
The innings was well setup by the partnership between Lara and Chanderpaul, they steadied the ship well after a very slow start and allowed the next batsmen to come in and score heavily at the end.
How good was the batting from Sarwan and Powell!!
:eek: :cool:
Lara - terrific ton as well ... he really played well after being dropped first ball.
The body language of the South Africans was very ordinary at the end of the West Indians innings and they may lose an over or two due to a slow over rate .... definately pays to bat first in ODIs! Stupid rule that, IMO. The team bowling second can't lose an over if they bowl slowly ... seems unfair.
Pollock made a bad error to take himself and Ntini off when they had the Windies by the throat. 2/23 after 12 overs with both bowling very well with the new ball, they needed to continue pressuring the Windies batsmen when they were still new at the crease. Donald really let them off the hook when he came on. I think Waugh would have definately kept the pressure on given the same cuircumstances....
Aussie-Basher
10 Feb 2003, 04:13
Gary Kirsten goes ... followed very soon afterwards by Pollock. Huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over 120 to get .... in only 17 overs. Needs something big from Klusener I suspect.
Kenny_01
10 Feb 2003, 04:18
This is great watching the Windies make light work of the South Africans, when at one stage it looked like we may have been going to sleep at a decent time after all :)
Kenny_01
10 Feb 2003, 04:28
Hmm, maybe I spoke too soon. SA with late comeback.
LOL@ Pedro Collins 'rope dance'
see him look down when he hit it. What a great 'awww sh*t' moment!
Kenny_01
10 Feb 2003, 05:02
Bloody Kluesner. What's with him and World Cups.
lamby29
10 Feb 2003, 05:30
You ****ing beauty!
Kenny_01
10 Feb 2003, 05:32
**** yeah!!!!
Brett Li
10 Feb 2003, 05:36
South Africa 0 points. COuldn't have happened to a nicer team.
:D :p :p
St-KriS
10 Feb 2003, 05:59
Oh yes, that was bloody beautiful!!! :D
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Well, it didn't take long for a pathetic umpiring decision.
Wavell Hinds has every right to be mightily ****ed.
Daryl Harper must have been reading 'The Russell Tiffen Umpiring Manual' .Even with the naked eye you could tell he didn't hit it.Venkat wasn't much better.He only penalised Ntini 2 wides,instead of the 7 he did in his first two overs.
dogboy23
10 Feb 2003, 08:33
Lara looks menacing thats not a good thing.Some of the placement on those shots was horrifying (as an opposition supporter) to watch.Anyone else think that South Africa is a very overated bowling side?Not as tight as they used to be and without Donald at his peak they lack that dynamic edge.Kallis was bowling absolute pies and Ntini should have been called for about 8 wides more than he was.Rhodes was fantastic in the field as always.
red+black
10 Feb 2003, 08:34
Originally posted by crudbucket
Sri Lanka was one of the host nations when they won in 1995
the world cup was in 1996, and yes sri lanka were a host nation. i guess that makes holland a host nation the last time round though.
i think what everyone means is no team who has hosted the FINAL has ever won the world cup.
ScouseCat
10 Feb 2003, 10:32
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Venkat wasn't much better.He only penalised Ntini 2 wides,instead of the 7 he did in his first two overs.
All Venkat had to do was call the first couple of wides and Ntini and Pollock wouldn't have continued bowling that line.
Hinds got a real shocker... even Boucher and the slip fielders weren't convinced it was out.
PrideOf
10 Feb 2003, 11:05
Nicky Boje continues the fine South African tradition of leaving his brain in neutral in a crunch moment during a World Cup.
Basic rule of batting Boje (particularly at the death) - you hit it in the air, you run.
Cost them any chance of winning leaving Ntini to face the last 3 balls.
Originally posted by PrideOf
Nicky Boje continues the fine South African tradition of leaving his brain in neutral in a crunch moment during a World Cup.
Basic rule of batting Boje (particularly at the death) - you hit it in the air, you run.
Cost them any chance of winning leaving Ntini to face the last 3 balls.
Boje was the one that ran.It was Lance Klusner that didn't move.
GOALden Hawk
10 Feb 2003, 11:42
Opens Pool B right up now - the Windies are a big dark horse to make the semis at least - they have been improving greatly over the past 12 months, and all they need is Lara to fire.
Great way to start the tournament and get the focus back on cricket.
South Africa - the Port Adelaide of international cricket. :D
PrideOf
10 Feb 2003, 12:07
[I]Originally posted by JUBJUB[/I}
Boje was the one that ran.It was Lance Klusner that didn't move.
So call him through! Yell at him! Klusener had left the crease, so run past him to the other end so you DO cross! Just don't let him stand there and watch.
wagstaff
10 Feb 2003, 12:40
Great to have the WC start with such a high-quality match first up. It would've beena shame if the Windies had lost as I thought they were the more impressive side for 75% of the match.
After the slowest start imaginable, the Windies batted superbly in their last 40 overs. They consolidated up to the halfway stage and then went into overdrive from that moment on. I thought the key was the way Lara went on the attack as soon as Nicky Boje came on - he hit him out of the attack after just three overs and it completely destablised the rest of the bowling lineup, who were on the backfoot from that moment on. A similar thing happened in the Super Six Aust v SA match of the 1999 World Cup, when Waugh and Ponting went after the fifth bowler in Cronje and Boje, which was the turning point of the match.
Lara was fantastic, but Sarwan and Powell were sensational - it was one of the best mini-partnerships I've ever seen. Their hitting was sensational, especially some of their straight hits. Sarwan almost scored more runs in 15 balls then he did when he toured Australia in 2000/01!
It was a good point made by the commentators that the South Africans were bowling too full - the short ball is an underrated and underused weapon in the one-day arena these days. Vasbert Drakes bowled a very good short ball in the final over of the match to Ntini, who probably wasn't expecting it.
The West Indies policy of playing 7 proper batsmen paid off handsomely today. Their bowling will inevitably lack depth but if they've based their tactics about employing such a team structure, then they will be prepared for that.
NICK THE PIE MAN
10 Feb 2003, 13:05
A really great performance from the "best team in the world."
That's karma Shauny boy! :D
GoEagles
10 Feb 2003, 13:23
Great game to start the World Cup! I stayed up and watched the first 15 overs and was impressed with the South African's start (although Nitini was very lucky not to have been called wide several times) and then Lara's innings.
What did everyone think of the South African commentator (Jackson) and the line bar at the bottom of the screen?
Kenny_01
10 Feb 2003, 13:59
Originally posted by GoEagles
Great game to start the World Cup! I stayed up and watched the first 15 overs and was impressed with the South African's start (although Nitini was very lucky not to have been called wide several times) and then Lara's innings.
What did everyone think of the South African commentator (Jackson) and the line bar at the bottom of the screen?
I liked the linebar.
wagstaff
10 Feb 2003, 15:14
Originally posted by Kenny_01
I liked the linebar.
Me too. I was a bit distracted by it for the first couple of balls but quickly got used to it. It's a good idea to have the team score, as well as those of the bowlers and batsmen and Run Rate, constantly at the bottom of the screen. If anything, I didn't think they took advantage of this enough.
mattyc2422
10 Feb 2003, 16:39
Lara is a gun. Scoring a hundred should shut all his doubters up.
I love watching Lara bat, and I personally see him as one of my idols in terms of batting style. Great game first up.
I was asleep during most of the Windies bowling, but still, it looks like they were bowling magnificently.
St-KriS
10 Feb 2003, 17:03
Originally posted by mattyc2422
I love watching Lara bat, and I personally see him as one of my idols in terms of batting style.
I most definetly agree.
Great first-up game.
Great batsmanship from Lara, Hooper, Powell and the 'little master' of the 21st century, Rammie Sarwan.
Bold captaincy to keep Chris Gayle on after conceding 19 runs in an over, but I guess Carl had a feeling he would take a match-winning catch off someone else so left him on.
Here's hoping my boys continue this form and make a big run in this tournament, bringing them to a super-competitive level in international cricket.
GhostofJimJess
10 Feb 2003, 22:05
For their long-term future in international cricket, I reckon it's crucial the Windies do well at this World Cup. There's very little infrastructure or money in their domestic comp - compared to over here, at least - and it would be a damn shame to see them bow out of the international scene. It's remarkable how they've actually stayed up for so long. I'd love to see them go all the way and take home the World Cup, especially if Brian Lara and co. continues to treat us to such bludgeoning displays ...
Unwritten_Law
11 Feb 2003, 07:14
Originally posted by dogboy23
Anyone else think that South Africa is a very overated bowling side?Not as tight as they used to be and without Donald at his peak they lack that dynamic edge.Kallis was bowling absolute pies and Ntini should have been called for about 8 wides more than he was.
The one thing that I noticed, surprisingly, was that Pollock was only bowling high 120's. He looks sharper than that, I wonder how credible their speed gun is.
A really great performance from the "best team in the world."
That's karma Shauny boy!
As for that...I'm holding you personally responsible if we lose to Pakistan :p
tiger of old
11 Feb 2003, 07:53
South African captain Shaun Pollock paid tribute to Klusener.
"Without him we wouldn't have had a chance. He was superb," Pollock said.
AP
incorrect with him you had no chance.2nd time running in a world cup he cost you dearly in the closing overs.
btw i think gilly has a rival in the clean power hitting stakes.young powell certainly is up there with gilly.i was very impressed with the lad.
cheers!
dogboy23
11 Feb 2003, 08:28
Originally posted by tiger of old
incorrect with him you had no chance.2nd time running in a world cup he cost you dearly in the closing overs.
btw i think gilly has a rival in the clean power hitting stakes.young powell certainly is up there with gilly.i was very impressed with the lad.
cheers! He and Sarwan played very well but Pollocks got to take some of the blame.No deep midwicket for almost the entire 35 overs after the field restrictions is going to hurt unless you bowl exceptionally well.I would have taken a deep midwicket over a deep backward square especially with some of the heaving that was going on.
tiger of old
11 Feb 2003, 09:27
Originally posted by dogboy23
He and Sarwan played very well but Pollocks got to take some of the blame.No deep midwicket for almost the entire 35 overs after the field restrictions is going to hurt unless you bowl exceptionally well.I would have taken a deep midwicket over a deep backward square especially with some of the heaving that was going on. i agree!with the line the sth african bowlers were bowling there was no need for a backward sq leg.
cheers!