Who's going to get dropped? [Archive]

AndyLesPaul

30 May 2009, 08:49

kaskine

30 May 2009, 09:09

Jonesy1987

30 May 2009, 09:27

Skipworth for Reimers
Lonergan for Prismall
Dyson for Welsh
Hooker for Hurley
H.Slattery for Dempsey

Agree with this, except I'd swap Hocking with Welsh, as Dyson offers us something different.

bomberz08

30 May 2009, 09:30

Agree with this, except I'd swap Hocking with Welsh, as Dyson offers us something different.

I disagree, Hocking has had an outstanding season, he shouldn't be dropped, Dyson will probably go, even though he has played a few good games.

I think Houli should go for dempsey, similer players

AndyLesPaul

30 May 2009, 09:33

No one forget Laycock for Bellchambers.

And Slattery's done well this year, gah

Jonesy1987

30 May 2009, 09:40

Spikey

30 May 2009, 10:21

As Ant has said 2000 times already this year, Welsh isn't gonna be able to jump straight in and do the tagging role...

Houli, Hooker, Dyson, Zaharakis, Monfries, Lonergan, Bellchambers, Jetta. Possibily McPhee and Skipworth as well.

dave_27

30 May 2009, 10:28

The team is playing well, Knights doesnt need to accomodate ANYONE. (well bar Mcveigh, he a cert when fit)

Why should Dyson be dropped while he is in career best form? or Hocking? Or Hooker?

While these guys are contributing, the rest can enjoy Bendigo.

Jonesy1987

30 May 2009, 10:34

As Ant has said 2000 times already this year, Welsh isn't gonna be able to jump straight in and do the tagging role...

Well he shouldn't be in the side until he has the fitness to do so.

AndyLesPaul

30 May 2009, 11:11

Spikey

30 May 2009, 11:17

Well he shouldn't be in the side until he has the fitness to do so.

He can play other roles you know...

David_Hilley#19

30 May 2009, 11:23

ghostdog

30 May 2009, 11:42

This weeks Essendon side is:
B: H.Slattery Pears Houli
HB: Stanton McPhee Hooker
C: Dyson Hocking Zaharakis (Dyson is a player very similar to Mcveigh and welsh, just all round bad luck)
HF: Monfries Neagle Lovett
F: Davey Lloyd Lonergan
R: Ryder Watson Winderlich
INT: Bellchambers Skipworth Jetta McVeigh
EMG: Lucas Myers Nash

Bolded = Untouchables
Italics = Under the gun?

With upcoming inclusions like Prismall, Welsh, Dempsey, Fletcher, Reimers, Hurley, Laycock, There are definate upcoming changes to be made.

I'm quite content with the squad above, and to think we have to drop some of these players is amazing.

Now, who looks to be dropped in the coming weeks?

I don't believe in dropping players for the sake of inclusions, first of all. We're 10 rounds in and doing okay. Many of the players coming back from injury won't have match fitness, and given the performances this season of many of those we consider second stringers, ought not walk straight into the side. So, I echo the earn your keep sentiment.

Players under the gun, I reckon, should include Lucas and Lonergan, though I'm a huge fan of both. Neither are at the same level they were at the back end of last season. We all know where Lucas isn't at, and Sammy seems to have lost some intensity at the ball IMO. Last season he was like a man possessed at the contest.

Hurley, though, is a first year out draftee who has played one match, in which he was just good. He should definitely have to earn his stripe.

Laycock, I wouldn't have said last year would be an automatic inclusion. Under the current circumstances, though, could be, depending on his fitness. Bellchambers inclusion fits the development ethos of Knights, though, which I'm more than happy with. My eyes are on next year.

The only other I would suggest should be under the gun is Nash. Disappointing performances all round. He's trade bait.

H Slattery will be lucky to be in the side should wholesale returns to the firsts eventuate.

Dyson's match fitness should hold sway until a contender (who!?) steps up. If Dyson has a couple of blinders in a row though, why would you?

Zak, last week, looked like he was set to start kicking goals from all over. If his accuracy improves over the next couple of rounds, same.

Also, at this stage, I reckon Pears is an untouchable. He will be in a premiership winning team.

GoldenboyHird_5

30 May 2009, 11:47

lol you guys are deluded. Do you seriously think that we'll have this problem?

Someone will get injured, leaving spots open for the likes of Welsh and Prismall e.g. Hurley, Dempsey etc.

Won't be a problem, we always get injuries

Kong

30 May 2009, 11:48

H Slattery will be lucky to be in the side should wholesale returns to the firsts eventuate.

Dyson's match fitness should hold sway until a contender (who!?) steps up. If Dyson has a couple of blinders in a row though, why would you?I disagree. He's hardly put a foot wrong this year, beating most of the opposition's most dangerous forwards. Who are we going to replace him with? He's our best lock-down small defender. Using your comment on Dyson, "why would you?"

footycool

30 May 2009, 12:01

Skipworth for Reimers
Lonergan for Prismall
Dyson for Welsh
Hooker for Hurley
H.Slattery for Dempsey

I agree!

GO DONS:D:D

David_Hilley#19

30 May 2009, 12:05

George Washington

30 May 2009, 12:11

lulz slaterry never gets 30+ possesions though! so we needa drop him lets filll up our backline with prismall and reimers :thumbsu:

lamaros

30 May 2009, 12:18

Now, who looks to be dropped in the coming weeks?

Pretty simple for mine:

Laycock for Bellchambers

Everyone else, everyone, depending on form.

On form so far I would think those most under pressure are:

Jetta
Lonergan
Neagle
Monfries
Houli
Zaha
Hooker
Hocking
Dyson
Stanton

But really it all depends on form and injuries. Houli, Hocking, Monfries and Jetta are probably the ones wanting to have a good week this week. With Fletch and Dempsey to return McPhee will probably go forward and someone else get pushed off from the back.

Reimers and Welsh will be in Bendigo for a week or more, and Prismall will be pressuring Stanton and Lonergan the most atm I'd say. Dyson has been better than Stants the past two.

bomberstomake8

30 May 2009, 12:31

Ins: Reimers, Prismall, Welsh, Fletcher, Dempsey, Laycock
Outs: Skipworth, Lonergan, zaka, jetta, houli, bellchambers

a few tough calls here, Hurley has to earn his spot yes he looks very good but its his first year so he doesnt have to play all the time, he can develop in the vfl. zaka is a tough call as well but i feel someone like riemers could fill his role better.

however in saying this if zaka keeps playing like he is you cant drop him so someone like riemers may have to wait. also if someone in defence drops off in form a bit and hurley keeps it up he will come in. we still have a fair way before players like welsh, riemers and laycock will actually be fit enough to play so players can drop off him form over that time, although i hope they dont

footycool

30 May 2009, 12:33

watched jetta against richmond and dropped sitters. He will be on the outer once welsh and Prismall are fit. Also, Lonergan will also get dropped for 1 of those 2 players;)

ghostdog

30 May 2009, 12:50

I disagree. He's hardly put a foot wrong this year, beating most of the opposition's most dangerous forwards. Who are we going to replace him with? He's our best lock-down small defender. Using your comment on Dyson, "why would you?"

I should have clarified that; if Hurley gets an automatic greenlight, and Dempsey and Fletch come back. H Slattery has been playing good footy, I agree, and is certainly more deserving than Nash. FWIW I would like to see Slats stay in the side, I just think that if anyone is pushed out, it might be him.
NLM's form recently would be shadowing Slattery as well, though he looked very comfortable in the forward pocket against Hawthorn.

Ben the Gooner

30 May 2009, 13:18

Stanton

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahaha

:D:D:D:D:D

Wait, you were serious?

lamaros

30 May 2009, 14:25

Wait, you were serious?

Can you read?

No one is going to get dropped off form to this week, because the team this week is picked. However if people in the team maintain their form of the last two weeks for another 4, which is when Welsh and Reimers will be pushing harder, then those with the worst form will be in trouble.

Going off the last two weeks Stanton would be one of them.

However he won't be, because he is better than the last two weeks and will show it.

Whe whole "who is going to get dropped" question is stupid. Whoever gets dropped will be the person not playing well when there is someone else to come in to the team. Given we don't know when that is going to happen, and what the situation with matchups and injuries might be, it's an entirely pointless discussion.

Ben the Gooner

30 May 2009, 14:50

Stanton's spot would not be under pressure if he played like that for another 6 weeks. Most of the season, maybe. The fact is, he, along with Jobe and Spike, is a top notch midfielder.

HFF_07

30 May 2009, 14:51

Tough call here, just some things to think about, players like Reimers, Laycock, Hurley should all be made to earn their spots in the senior side, even Mcveigh, a player who was leading the brownlow after 6 rounds last year has been made to go through the magoos, I think their are probably only two players on our list who walk straight back into the senior side after a layoff, Fletcher and Lloyd, Hille might also, but considering his cicumstances, he will hopefully have some sort of pre season for 2010.

We cannot afford to just bring in all these 'superstars' just for the hell of it. Sure bring in one or two at a time, but to make several changes as some are suggesting is just plain stupid.

I feel Reimers may take Monfries spot though, when he gets his game together, although Zaka may come under fire as he has been playing a very similar role.

H.Slattery for Dempsey is just plain silly, they are two different players, 'slatts' is a lock down player, one who will follow his man every where, Dempsey on the other hand runs off and creates from half back.

Hooker for Hurley will not happen, I would of thought that Pears would be under the pump, Hurley is the stay at home full back who relishes the physical stuff, and Hooker is the CHB who will stay with the leading CHF.

Dyson for Welsh is just silly too, I think Hocking may be under the pump if Welsh gets his game together, Hocking has been ok, but Welsh really showed his prowess at times last year and is our number one tagger, we are an attacking team who (i feel) cannot afford to play both of these (Hocking and Welsh) so the seasoned player in Welsh gets the nod.

Lonergan for Prismal is the interseting one, Lonergan has been used more at HF the last couple of rounds, with stints through the midfield, Prismall showed (whilst at Geelong) he was more than capable of doing a very similar job for us. So you could be on to something their too.

Where does this leave everything for D.Daniher, with all fit players soon to be up and about, who do we play down back, for mine, Hooker is able to play on the big leading forwards, Fletcher on the 3rd tall type players and Hurley/Pears on the big bustling power forwards.

And Laycock should be made to earn his spot at Bendigo before we thrust him into the senior team, T-Bell is slowly learning, but a fit and raring Laycock is ready he is much better value than a better performing T-Bell IMO.

davey is god

30 May 2009, 14:57

maby dyson he has been alright but inconsistent

____________________________________

matthew lloyd is an old un!!!!!!!!_____

lamaros

30 May 2009, 16:32

Stanton's spot would not be under pressure if he played like that for another 6 weeks. Most of the season, maybe. The fact is, he, along with Jobe and Spike, is a top notch midfielder.

So you still can't read? :rolleyes:

AndyLesPaul

30 May 2009, 17:20

So you still can't read? :rolleyes:
I don't think his statement shows that he can't read.

Ben the Gooner

30 May 2009, 17:25

So you still can't read? :rolleyes:

"Those most under pressure are:

...

Stanton"

No matter how you qualify it, that statement is incorrect.

jbct

30 May 2009, 17:42

I disagree. He's hardly put a foot wrong this year, beating most of the opposition's most dangerous forwards. Who are we going to replace him with? He's our best lock-down small defender. Using your comment on Dyson, "why would you?"

Dyson has cemented his spot this season so far. Slattery will be our wallance i reckon so he might not be dropped. Tell you the truth he hasn't done much wrong this year.

lamaros

30 May 2009, 17:54

"Those most under pressure are:

...

Stanton"

No matter how you qualify it, that statement is incorrect.

:rolleyes:

You need to learn how to read between lines. It's hyperbole to press a position, which is that everyone in the team can get dropped due to form or injury and thus it is a pointless exercise to talk about such things more than week to week.

If Stanton had 8 week sin a row of 15-20 touchs at 50-60% efficiency and everyone else in the midfield was better than him, and someone else was tearing it up for Bendigo he would get dropped.

I've explicitly stated I think this is unlkely to happen, however you cannot dispute it. If someone is performing worse than other they might get dropped, given we can't see how players are preforming 8 weeks in advance it's pretty hard to make judgements about who is likely to get dropped in 8 weeks time.

Ben the Gooner

30 May 2009, 17:57

You'd back your top notch players to get out of their slump though. Stants is one of those players, so he'd be given every possible opportunity.

lamaros

30 May 2009, 18:07

You'd back your top notch players to get out of their slump though. Stants is one of those players, so he'd be given every possible opportunity.

Of course. I'm probably his biggest fan (I mentioned him in my thread about players who I think can become genuine stars of the club). I'm just pointing out that he has, compared to people like Dyson, had a worse couple of games recently, and then in that regard he'll be under the pump to get back to some form if he wants to keep the pressure off too.

Which he should do, hopefully against Geelong tomorrow.

Ben the Gooner

30 May 2009, 18:15

Fair enough.

I get defensive about Stants, Laycock and Slattery.:p

Mad Bomber Sean

30 May 2009, 19:29

Form & match fitness should come before reputations.
I see no reason to make any changes to the side whilst it is playing well as a unit.
Injuries create natural openings & this will allow others to come into the side.
I don't think guys should be dropped until:
- team & individuals play poorly &
- replacements show they have form & fitness

Whilst I understand how good Prismall could be for us I don't think he has the form/ fitness to threaten seniors playing well. Ditto for others.
This said Prizza, Reimers, Laycock & Hurley are not to far away, I hope.

I don't want to specifically discuss who should be ommitted until these guys can show me they have the fitness & form to make a better contrabution than the current seniors.

eth-dog

30 May 2009, 20:44

Reimers for Zaka
Prismall for Jetta
Welsh for Hocking
Dempsey for Dyson
Laycock for T-Bell
Fletcher for Hooker

lamaros

31 May 2009, 16:30

Time for Prismall, Laycock, Fletcher, Dempsey!

Out you go Lonergan, Bellchambers, Skipworth/Zaha, Monfries

Hell, I think Scotty should be back too.

ant555

31 May 2009, 18:54

Fair enough.

I get defensive about Stants, Laycock and Slattery.:p

What do you have to say about the fact that the blokes tagging Stanton in recent week have actually not only kept Stants quiet but also won more of the footy and looked far more dangerous.
Seriously how hard can it be to stop someone getting the footy if they are tagging you ? you should know where he is as he is the bloke continually standing next to you !

Some of you are seriously blinded by the fact that Stanton can rack up numbers.
He has got a bit of the soft play out of his game this year and his tackle count is ok but we still suffer major burns from who ever he plays on.

If opposition sides where smart they would tag Watson and shut down the clearances and by doing that they will end up with two free players through the middle because Jobe can not find a man around the ground either.

The reason why good sides pound us is becasue we have too many one way players in our midfield. Currently we can not afford to drop Stants or Watson ( becasue we do not have better options) but we will have to work something out. We will never win a flag with the defensive aspects of a few of our mids and i will include Winderlich and Lovett in this group as they are often caught out as well.

ant555

31 May 2009, 18:57

Reimers for Zaka
Prismall for Jetta
Welsh for Hocking
Dempsey for Dyson
Laycock for T-Bell
Fletcher for Hooker

Welsh for Monfries for me. Welsh was actually far better playing the defensive forward role in 2007 than he was as a run with player in 2008.

And as mentioned Welsh will take at least 4 or 5 weeks with Bendigo to find form and fitness and even then he will not have midfield fitness. If he makes it back into the seniors i suspect it will be as a medium forward for this year.

Wahooti Fandango

31 May 2009, 19:04

What do you have to say about the fact that the blokes tagging Stanton in recent week have actually not only kept Stants quiet but also won more of the footy and looked far more dangerous.
Seriously how hard can it be to stop someone getting the footy if they are tagging you ? you should know where he is as he is the bloke continually standing next to you !

Some of you are seriously blinded by the fact that Stanton can rack up numbers.
He has got a bit of the soft play out of his game this year and his tackle count is ok but we still suffer major burns from who ever he plays on.

If opposition sides where smart they would tag Watson and shut down the clearances and by doing that they will end up with two free players through the middle because Jobe can not find a man around the ground either.

The reason why good sides pound us is becasue we have too many one way players in our midfield. Currently we can not afford to drop Stants or Watson ( becasue we do not have better options) but we will have to work something out. We will never win a flag with the defensive aspects of a few of our mids and i will include Winderlich and Lovett in this group as they are often caught out as well.

I am glad that you are not an opposition coach. :D

carmi99

31 May 2009, 19:07

Why are people saying Houli? Since he has come back into the team he would be in our top couple of players over the 3 week period. He hasnt missed a beat. On top of this he was also one of only a few players to have a crack against the Cats.

Ben the Gooner

31 May 2009, 19:12

...

Look, Stants has been down on form, no question, in the past three weeks.

However, his season as a whole has been impressive. He's been more damaging going forward, has worked harder going back, and has generally been a better player this season.

I go to the vast majority of matches (until I broke my leg:() so I don't get swayed by the commentators, or the stats they put up on screen. The fact is, Stanton has been better than last year in just about every aspect of his game.

His last three weeks have been poor, but as you say, he's one of our best midfielders, and will play himself back into form.

He's taken another step this year, and in his 5th season is starting to look like a very good player. Look at his contemporaries. Only Cooney is a better player, IMHO.

kelvin_sheedy

31 May 2009, 19:15

:D

Ant taking pot shots at Stanton again yet defends the likes of Myers, Skipworth, Quinn and various other guys that can't play at league level yet.

The Donners

31 May 2009, 19:22

I disagree, Hocking has had an outstanding season, he shouldn't be dropped, Dyson will probably go, even though he has played a few good games.

I think Houli should go for dempsey, similer players

IMO Can't play two taggers in the same line up, would work against our game plan, plus Dyson is one of the better uses in our side atm.

Hocking has stopped 1 player this year, S Burgoyne. Yes, he's a bigger body in the midfield but he doesn't stop his opponent from raking in the disposals.

The Donners

31 May 2009, 19:31

I wouldn't have too many changes.

Prismall for Bellchambers.
Dempsey for Jetta.

ant555

31 May 2009, 19:52

:D

Ant taking pot shots at Stanton again yet defends the likes of Myers, Skipworth, Quinn and various other guys that can't play at league level yet.

Once again you are posting crap . How is it you can post shit that i have never said. Go back and read what i have written before making a comment.
Seriously you are a ********!

I have defended Myers by saying he was always going to be a player that will take time. I have not said he has deserved a game every week and i only defended his game against Brisbane by saying he beat who he had to play on so in that game he was ok.

Not sure WTF Skipworth has to do with anything. Skippy has played ok but at no stage did i say he was better than Stanton. In fact i have only ever said he is a better forward option than Monfries.

As far as Quinn goes i can not help it if you did not see the North game yet blamed him for the loss. It is not my problem that you have NFI and do not realise that poor kicking for goal cost us that game.
The part you missed out on was i also said that he should not be picked in the next game (Anzac day) and he would be back with Bendigo for the rest of the season now he had had exposure at AFL level.

Never let the facts spoil a good story KS. You just keep on posting small parts of what i actually post.

If you had ever bothered to read anything that i have said about Stanton you would know that his piss poor defensive efforts annoy the crap out of me bbecasue i know that they are stopping him from being the ****ing good player he could be.

If people want to keep their head up their arse and ignore how his deficiency cost us in a big way then that is not my problem.

ant555

31 May 2009, 20:01

Look, Stants has been down on form, no question, in the past three weeks.

However, his season as a whole has been impressive. He's been more damaging going forward, has worked harder going back, and has generally been a better player this season.

I go to the vast majority of matches (until I broke my leg:() so I don't get swayed by the commentators, or the stats they put up on screen. The fact is, Stanton has been better than last year in just about every aspect of his game.

His last three weeks have been poor, but as you say, he's one of our best midfielders, and will play himself back into form.

He's taken another step this year, and in his 5th season is starting to look like a very good player. Look at his contemporaries. Only Cooney is a better player, IMHO.

Can not agree at all that his game going back has been any better.
What he has improved this year is he is no longer selective about going in hard at the contest. He has accepted the fact that he can not expect his team mates to respect him if he squibs a few contests here and there.
He has lifted his attack in thight situations by 100%.

I can not help it if you do not see the match ups and see how often it is Stantons direct opponent that is loose to recieve the footy as the easy second marking option when the opposition are coming out of defence.
His poor defensive side means he bloody well has to get 25 to 30 possessions and a goal every week.

It is the same with Watson. His lack of leg speed means he has do dominate the clearances and make sure we are winning plenty of the footy becasue his opponents generally get 20 to 30 touches a game as well. They find the footy simply because Jobe does not have the pace to catch them.

Ben the Gooner

31 May 2009, 20:09

jbct

31 May 2009, 20:12

As I said before, I don't use stats to make my judgements, but I have seen Stants making a lot more crucial tackles than ever before.

It's easy to forget that it's only his fifth year in what has been a poor team for his entire career.

Rate Stanton last three matchs has been quiet which is a bit of a worry hopefully a Prismal will take a tag off him and give him more room. Atm i can't see Lucas coming back into the team, Neagle presented well today has some bloody good hands as well.

ant555

31 May 2009, 20:15

Hocking has stopped 1 player this year, S Burgoyne. Yes, he's a bigger body in the midfield but he doesn't stop his opponent from raking in the disposals.

Depends on exactly what role the coach has asked him to play.
Most seem to think his job is to tag an limit disposals. I can tell you that that is not exactly the case. The job he has been set is to limited the effective disposals of these guys.

He has been burnt by a few guys at various stages. Pendlebury burnt him against the Pies in the first quarter by running around the back of the contest every time Hocking went in to tackle. He learnt the lesson that day that of you have to stay on someone you can not be at the contest as well.

Judd touched him up for a half against carlton but he came back in the second half and kept Judd to 2 possessions in the last quarter when the game was there to be won.

Foley gave him a lesson last week although when you watch through the game Foley did have 6 handballs gives when Hocking was actually tackling him.

His job on Mitchell and Del Santo was to limit their influence around the clearances which he did. Most of Mitchells possesions where under pressure or late in the game when it was over. He clearly stopped Mitchell from having an impact on the game.

Against Dal it was the same. Limit the damage he can do through the middle and he did that and actually ended up with more disposals.

The guys has played 11 games and lines up on one of the oppositions best players every week. It is more about learning this year than actually holding opponents to 15 disposals every week. It has been more about playing the run with role than hard tagging so far.

He has been beaten a few times and he has had a couple of victories and he has averaged around 18 disposals a game doing that and is also getting forward and kicking a few goals in recent games.

Ben the Gooner

31 May 2009, 20:30

Rate Stanton last three matchs has been quiet which is a bit of a worry hopefully a Prismal will take a tag off him and give him more room. Atm i can't see Lucas coming back into the team, Neagle presented well today has some bloody good hands as well.

Stanton is a better player than Prismall, and more damaging. Doubt opposition coaches will focus on Pris.

ant555

31 May 2009, 20:33

As I said before, I don't use stats to make my judgements, but I have seen Stants making a lot more crucial tackles than ever before.

It's easy to forget that it's only his fifth year in what has been a poor team for his entire career.

It is also easy to forget that he has played 100 games and should have some idea about defensive aspects.
It is not like i am asking him to tag.
Is it really too much to ask that he actually runs at half pace to pick someone up rather than walking through the middle of the ground ?
He is really poor at various stages in games and i have seen him not pcik up a opposition player a number of times despite calls from his team mates.

He could be a serious A grade player if he can get his head around it.
Dal Santo was dropped last year as a message about defensive actions and look where the Saints are now.

It is all about working in with your team mates and picking up an opponent when needed and putting on a few shepherds rather than running along beside blokes calling for an easy stat.
Until a number of our experienced mids work this out well will just be a 6th to 12th side that can play with a bit of flair against weeker sides.

As far as his tackles go yes he has worked on it but they are not the defensive actions he needed to work on. He has always been able to tackle players trying to eascape from the contest. anyone can ctch them at that stage.
It is about making sure your man or the player in your zone is not the one getting an easy second recieve coming out of defence. It is about blocking or shepherding for your team mates.

Stanton can play. It just frustrates the hell out of me when i see him not doing stuff that i see kids who will never be drafted do week in and week out at TAC Cup level.
Stants could be one of the most effective mids in the comp if his non possesion time was better. At the moment to be effective he has to really rack up the numbers becasue you know whoever is his direct oppoent will also be finding a heap of the footy.

I don't pot him becasue i do not like him. I make comment on him becasue he does stuff in games that if you looked at it from the recruiting side of things you would be questioning. I see young blokes like Zaharkis and Hocking and Hooker attempting to shepherd like their lifes depended on it.
I see it in kids during TAC Cup games and it anoys the **** out of me when i see players not doing it at AFL level.

Stants may well be a Ferrari in attack but some times you need to play a bit of Hummer as well.

efcboy

1 Jun 2009, 00:27

yaco55

1 Jun 2009, 03:06

:D

Ant taking pot shots at Stanton again yet defends the likes of Myers, Skipworth, Quinn and various other guys that can't play at league level yet..

I dont want Stanton to ever get tagged.

He cant handle a tag and struggles to get more than 10 or 12 possessions.

I would rather the opposition tag a Lovett or watson - because even if they only get 10 possessions they will hurt more than Stantons.

Stanton is hard running player who hurts the opposition with an accumulation of possessions.

yaco55

1 Jun 2009, 03:13

It is also easy to forget that he has played 100 games and should have some idea about defensive aspects.
It is not like i am asking him to tag.
Is it really too much to ask that he actually runs at half pace to pick someone up rather than walking through the middle of the ground ?
He is really poor at various stages in games and i have seen him not pcik up a opposition player a number of times despite calls from his team mates.

He could be a serious A grade player if he can get his head around it.
Dal Santo was dropped last year as a message about defensive actions and look where the Saints are now.

It is all about working in with your team mates and picking up an opponent when needed and putting on a few shepherds rather than running along beside blokes calling for an easy stat.
Until a number of our experienced mids work this out well will just be a 6th to 12th side that can play with a bit of flair against weeker sides.

As far as his tackles go yes he has worked on it but they are not the defensive actions he needed to work on. He has always been able to tackle players trying to eascape from the contest. anyone can ctch them at that stage.
It is about making sure your man or the player in your zone is not the one getting an easy second recieve coming out of defence. It is about blocking or shepherding for your team mates.

Stanton can play. It just frustrates the hell out of me when i see him not doing stuff that i see kids who will never be drafted do week in and week out at TAC Cup level.
Stants could be one of the most effective mids in the comp if his non possesion time was better. At the moment to be effective he has to really rack up the numbers becasue you know whoever is his direct oppoent will also be finding a heap of the footy.

I don't pot him becasue i do not like him. I make comment on him becasue he does stuff in games that if you looked at it from the recruiting side of things you would be questioning. I see young blokes like Zaharkis and Hocking and Hooker attempting to shepherd like their lifes depended on it.
I see it in kids during TAC Cup games and it anoys the **** out of me when i see players not doing it at AFL level.

Stants may well be a Ferrari in attack but some times you need to play a bit of Hummer as well.

Ant

I am fully aware of your desire for Stanton to be an A Grade Midfielder.

Sadly his inability to handle a tag will preclude him from being an A Grade midfielder.

As a matter of interest - Which midfielder performs best in an attacking and defensive way ?

jbct

1 Jun 2009, 10:25

Stanton is a better player than Prismall, and more damaging. Doubt opposition coaches will focus on Pris.

Never know mate

General Banter

1 Jun 2009, 10:40

changes:

bellchambers out injured - with laycocks foot not right then either lucas or daniher has to come in.

lonergan - like the kids courage but he's not doing enough and his skills have been poor. needs to go back to the vfl, find some form and earn his spot back. prismall looks a straight swap for him.

h.slattery - he's too slow to play on a fast leading forward (and most are), his skills are too poor to play up the ground so he is a useless player especially with our game plan. he has to go. if dempsey's ankle is ok then he replaces him.

I have been a long time critic of Slattery. I would love for him to prove me wrong but so far in his career im yet to see any signs of him becoming any good. Surely with some of the players we have coming through we cant keep persisting with a guy who reads the play worse than a blind man reads the herald sun.

Also, I think Alwin Davey is struggling at the moment. He is a bit unlucky as he was having good seasons before being cut down by injury in the past 2. I appreciate the need for defensive pressure in games (which Davey and Leroy Jetta can provide) but is it possible that sometimes the concept is pumped up a bit too much? Do we sometimes forget that its about being able to go and get the footy.Tayte Pears is werth persisting with and Neagle was ok yesterday despite limited opportunity and supply

Ben the Gooner

1 Jun 2009, 19:26

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His defensive aspects aren't fantastic. However he's improving, and that's really all we can ask for. He's not going to jump from being unaccountable to being Kane Cornes like over one preseason. However, the improvement is coming, and I have seen that quite clearly this year.

Never know mate

Trust me.;)

kelvin_sheedy

1 Jun 2009, 21:31

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I dont want Stanton to ever get tagged.

He cant handle a tag and struggles to get more than 10 or 12 possessions.

I would rather the opposition tag a Lovett or watson - because even if they only get 10 possessions they will hurt more than Stantons.

Stanton is hard running player who hurts the opposition with an accumulation of possessions.

Stanton was tagged last year and got a heap of it. He's been tagged this year and has had a heap of it in games also.

Why would you say he can't handle a tag when he has been for the past 2 years. :confused:

On the basis of a few poor games you come to a conclusion?

AndyLesPaul

1 Jun 2009, 22:54

h.slattery - he's too slow to play on a fast leading forward (and most are), his skills are too poor to play up the ground so he is a useless player especially with our game plan. he has to go. if dempsey's ankle is ok then he replaces him.
Whomb, I say we have a stickied thread entitled "Posters that hate certain Players" So we know not to take their opinions of that player into account.

resurrector

1 Jun 2009, 23:09

i agree that h.slattery has to be dropped. we simply can't have him in the side with the likes of lonergan, hocking and mcveigh also in there. he definitely is not pacy enough to keep up w.the quicker small fwds he plays on, and offers little offensively. thus he severely upsets our team balance IMO.

would much prefer to play either one of the other 3 mentioned played as a small defender, as they are all capable of defensive play and are skillful enough to hurt their opponent going the other way. itching to get dempsey and fletch back in, time to slatts to go back n work on his pace and kicking ability.

nighthawk

1 Jun 2009, 23:54

Agreed. Slatts has had some good games, and this year has been better than most, but even then they are few and far between. With the depth we're developing I don't even see a spot in the emergencies for him. We have other defensive players who offer much more on the rebound, and almost the same defensively. Very much hoping that we bring in a midfielder and use someone else on their small forwards at the expense of Slattery.

George Washington

2 Jun 2009, 19:01

i agree that h.slattery has to be dropped. we simply can't have him in the side with the likes of lonergan, hocking and mcveigh also in there. he definitely is not pacy enough to keep up w.the quicker small fwds he plays on, and offers little offensively.

Hocking did a good job on Johnson this weekend :thumbsu:

Slats will not be dropped.

the diddy

2 Jun 2009, 19:37

resurrector

3 Jun 2009, 06:37

Dempsey is fine so he will come in, Prismall will play too this week, Lucas no cigar due to match ups.Reimers one more in vfl.So out goes Jetta, Skipworth and Lonergan.May have to pinch hit Hooker in ruck and McPhee to cover at chb.Possible ins after break are Flecther, Welsh and Reimers so guys will know they have to perform or they will play at that hell hole known as Bendigo Bombers, also Scotty may be a chance against Melbourne.

i think jetta will be important for forward line accountability i.e. davey v mccleod, jetta v johncock, so he stays.

out goes belly (knee), skipworth, slattery

in comes lucas or daniher (need another big guy), prismall, dempsey

which all in all = a thrashing win over the stinking crows! we better do this, i'ma adelaide resident so the wk after can be hell if we lose to the fruit tingles

daffo

3 Jun 2009, 08:54

Wow, we have two ins & outs threads going.

AndyLesPaul

3 Jun 2009, 09:24

Both started by me :D
This is more of a long term (from one week to a month really) thread though.

Bomber4eva

3 Jun 2009, 12:15

i think jetta will be important for forward line accountability i.e. davey v mccleod, jetta v johncock, so he stays.

out goes belly (knee), skipworth, slattery

in comes lucas or daniher (need another big guy), prismall, dempsey

which all in all = a thrashing win over the stinking crows! we better do this, i'ma adelaide resident so the wk after can be hell if we lose to the fruit tingles

I'm also an Adelaide resident (former melbourne resident.. long story) and over here every 2nd person is a crows supporter. i've also been to way too many losses at AAMI so this is a must win for me.

Every crow supporter i've spoken to is pretty confident after their last couple of wins...funny how things change in a couple of weeks:confused:

crows have done well when they have been able to play a similar style to us and move the ball through the middle quickly. i'd want to keep players who are quick and apply defensive pressure so we can beat them at their (our) own game and put pressure on to stop their game.

jetta can do this in the forward line so, from that perspective, it would be a shame for him to be out. unfortunately he does go missing a bit, fumbles and struggles to kick goals. i think he's played alright the last few times against crows though (correct me if im wrong).

Lucas shouldnt come in until he's proved himself at bendigo. i know he's not getting the delivery down there but he's got to show some of the brilliance he had pre-injury to be selected. i really hope he has a big comeback but the last thing we want against crows is a lumbering out of form lucas...

i wouldn't want more than 2 changes - less is better - bellchambers is the obvious out and dempsey the obvious in if the ankle is ok. If we can survive without brinking in another tall i'd leave it at just the 1 change.

not sure if there's a question mark over skipworths fitness. he's obviously not the fastest but has a good brain and can give some good delivery to our forwards. i'm hoping he's fired up and stars against his old team...:D

Out: Bellchambers
In: C Dempsey:thumbsu: (or prismall if dempseys ankle doesnt come up)

resurrector

3 Jun 2009, 16:23

I'm also an Adelaide resident (former melbourne resident.. long story) and over here every 2nd person is a crows supporter. i've also been to way too many losses at AAMI so this is a must win for me.

Every crow supporter i've spoken to is pretty confident after their last couple of wins...funny how things change in a couple of weeks:confused:

crows have done well when they have been able to play a similar style to us and move the ball through the middle quickly. i'd want to keep players who are quick and apply defensive pressure so we can beat them at their (our) own game and put pressure on to stop their game.

jetta can do this in the forward line so, from that perspective, it would be a shame for him to be out. unfortunately he does go missing a bit, fumbles and struggles to kick goals. i think he's played alright the last few times against crows though (correct me if im wrong).

Lucas shouldnt come in until he's proved himself at bendigo. i know he's not getting the delivery down there but he's got to show some of the brilliance he had pre-injury to be selected. i really hope he has a big comeback but the last thing we want against crows is a lumbering out of form lucas...

i wouldn't want more than 2 changes - less is better - bellchambers is the obvious out and dempsey the obvious in if the ankle is ok. If we can survive without brinking in another tall i'd leave it at just the 1 change.

not sure if there's a question mark over skipworths fitness. he's obviously not the fastest but has a good brain and can give some good delivery to our forwards. i'm hoping he's fired up and stars against his old team...:D

Out: Bellchambers
In: C Dempsey:thumbsu: (or prismall if dempseys ankle doesnt come up)

i'm all for minimising the changes but we can't afford to go in minus all tall v the crows. they have 3 ruckman in their team who all rotate thru the fwd line, plus stevens and walker i.e. daniher or lucas have gotta come in.

and i'll be pissed if another fumbling, bumbling effort from slattery costs us. the dude's gotta go, we have a surplus of players of his ilk in this side and we need to emphasise the players who can provide run and carry v the crows