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Rocco Jones
11 Feb 2003, 13:33
BREAKING NEWS
HE JUST FOUND OUT HE TOOK A BANNED SUBSTANCE TO HEAL HIS SHOULDER.
RoosLuver
11 Feb 2003, 13:40
He hasn't tested positive
St-KriS
11 Feb 2003, 13:42
What What What?!?! :eek: :confused: :(
St-KriS
11 Feb 2003, 13:54
Ive been looking around for this but I cant find anything on this...Could ya state ur source please?
Baldy#9
11 Feb 2003, 14:06
was just on the news on Fox FM, apparantley Channel 7 broke it.
just on 3aw 4.00 news.
a drug warne has been using for his shoulder is on the banned list
he only just realised this and will have to leave the rournamount
i havent heard this cause i couldnt tune in 3aw, but my friend just emailed me. so i am not confirming this AT ALL, just adding to the rumour.
nothing on baggygreen.com
GOALden Hawk
11 Feb 2003, 14:13
Just received an email off someone with the same thing - bloody hell! This is MASSIVE. 3LO apparently said a major sports story would break this morning.
We are in deep trouble now - down to 12 players for tonight's match. Can we replace him? From memory Gillespie replaced someone in 1996 during the tournament.
Brad Hogg - your time has come.
But what a terrible way to end his ODI career - someone will get fired for this no doubt.
Unwritten_Law
11 Feb 2003, 14:14
Originally posted by Perty4
nothing on baggygreen.com
You will be waiting a while if that's your source :o
Hell I hope it isn't true. If it is Hogg will become the spinner and Symonds *gulp* will be the all-rounder.
The Ewok
11 Feb 2003, 14:15
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
But what a terrible way to end his ODI career - someone will get fired for this no doubt.
End of his career PERIOD
Originally posted by The Ewok
End of his career PERIOD
He actually hasn't played with Traces of the Banned substance and so he would only have to wait until the Substance has left his system....
He'll be Back :D
SHANE Warne will not take part in the World Cup and is returning to Australia tonight after taking a banned substance, according to reports.
Channel 7 reported that Warne inadvertently took the banned substance during treatment for his dislocated shoulder.
More details as they come
www.foxsports.com.au
Unwritten_Law
11 Feb 2003, 14:21
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
We are in deep trouble now - down to 12 players for tonight's match. Can we replace him? From memory Gillespie replaced someone in 1996 during the tournament.
Good question :confused:
If we can could we use Clarke? He bowls some spin and would be an ideal #7 batting wise. I don't think we could get away with Hogg and Hauritz in the one team.
Andrew Symonds voodoo doll strikes again. :eek:
would u bring in steve waugh in now if he was in the 30 man squad?
id imagine the australian dressing room would be shot.....itd be only 7am over there.
Unwritten_Law
11 Feb 2003, 14:31
Originally posted by dodgey
He actually hasn't played with Traces of the Banned substance and so he would only have to wait until the Substance has left his system....
He played in the VB finals....
Originally posted by Rocco Jones
BREAKING NEWS
HE JUST FOUND OUT HE TOOK A BANNED SUBSTANCE TO HEAL HIS SHOULDER.
I cannot believe that he wouldn't have known at the time, or at least wouldn't have known to have all medications checked against the banned list.
John
The Ewok
11 Feb 2003, 14:37
James Brayshaw on Dribble M has said he has tested positive
GOALden Hawk
11 Feb 2003, 14:41
Originally posted by JohnD
I cannot believe that he wouldn't have known at the time, or at least wouldn't have known to have all medications checked against the banned list.
John
Certainly puts his "miracle" recovery in a new light doesn't it? Either one of the ACB has made a MASSIVE f**k-up, or Warne has just ended his career in any form of cricket.
If he has TESTED positive that's a different story to reporting it yourself - why would you wait until you were caught?
How long is the suspension for this sort of thing, and would he be picked again anyway? Lots of questions here.
The Ewok
11 Feb 2003, 14:44
ABC says he tested positive to a "diuretic" - which is a masking agent for steroids!
My profile has been updated accordingly.
GOALden Hawk
11 Feb 2003, 14:48
Originally posted by The Ewok
ABC says he tested positive to a "diuretic" - which is a masking agent for steroids!
Oh dear - this is looking worse and worse. Sadly it all makes sense - Warnie had obviously decided to finish at the World Cup, and wasn't going to let a shoulder injury stop him, regardless of how it was fixed.
I'm trying not to jump to conclusions, but this could be one of the darkest days in Australian cricket history.
Kane McGoodwin
11 Feb 2003, 14:56
Apparantly took the drug to lose weight not for his shoulder rehab. It was given to him by his Mum not the ACB doctor. :o
The Ewok
11 Feb 2003, 15:05
10 news says he tested positive after the VB series and faces a 2 year ban
wagstaff
11 Feb 2003, 15:06
According to Gerard Wheatly on Channel 10 news, Warne has tested postive, and they currently waiting to see if the 'B' sample tests positive as well.
I would presume that under those circumstances, that he could be charged by the ICC and be banned for a significant period of time - perhaps ending his cricket career full stop.
Originally posted by dodgey
He'll be Back :D
After 2 years? The ban for testing positive to a diuretic.
This could be the end of Shane Warne all together. What a tragedy if it is. How could it happen? Who could be so negligent?
Originally posted by Hoggy
My profile has been updated accordingly.
How do you know? He could have taken them too.
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Andrew Symonds voodoo doll strikes again. :eek:
Ian Harvey apparently has a slight back injury.
Another casualty of Symonds' voodoo doll?
wagstaff
11 Feb 2003, 15:14
Originally posted by Catman
How do you know? He could have taken them too.
It would be good if it was revealed that Andrew Symonds had been taking performance-enhancing drugs, no self-respecting sports athlete would ever take those type of drugs again once they saw what they did to him.
This is going to be a joke of a world cup.
Originally posted by wagstaff
It would be good if it was revealed that Andrew Symonds had been taking performance-enhancing drugs, no self-respecting sports athlete would ever take those type of drugs again once they saw what they did to him.
So true. :D
Kenny_01
11 Feb 2003, 15:18
****!
How could they let this happen?
Originally posted by noodle
This is going to be a joke of a world cup.
Why is that? A World Cup without drug cheats and match fixing not your cup of tea?
I'm in shock, what a story. How they could do such a thing without realising it seems very strange? What possible explanation could he have? I didn't know? In this day and age surely proffesional sportsman should know these things. Big mistake, if it was an accident. Could be the end of warney.
Heard about it a couple of hours ago on the radio here, but they didn't say much at the time.
This is the first I've really known anything about it and I'm in shock, how could something like this happen in the first place.
Heard about it a couple of hours ago on the radio here, but they didn't say much at the time.
This is the first I've really known anything about it and I'm in shock, how could something like this happen in the first place.
Will be tuning into Sky news with interest in a few minutes time.
Just thought I'd point out that diuretics have many legitimate uses other than masking steroid use.
So it almost certain that steroid masking was not the reason Warne had them.
However, that doesn't change the fact that they are a banned substance and he will be suspended for using them. IF he can demonstrate that they were for recovery from injury or whatever, he MIGHT get a lighter suspension, but don't count on it.
Originally posted by Zombie
Why is that? A World Cup without drug cheats and match fixing not your cup of tea?
Hi Zombie. It's good to see you're still a **** stirrer. ;)
Nah don't mind that Warne got the boot. He should know better it's just every thing else that is going down at the moment. England may not playing a game. New Zealand might not be playing a game etc etc.
This world cup may not actually go to the best team which would be a loss for cricket.
Bomber Spirit
11 Feb 2003, 16:14
Warnie's career is over.:(
How could he have not thought to check whether his medication was on the banned substances list? I would have thought that would be one of the first questions any sportsman would ask - especially after the Alister Lynch fiasco in 1998.
He used to be one of my favourite players. He used to be a legend. But not any more - he's a drug cheat.:( :( :(
Falchoon
11 Feb 2003, 17:48
Originally posted by dodgey
He actually hasn't played with Traces of the Banned substance and so he would only have to wait until the Substance has left his system....
He'll be Back :D
What :eek:
That's not quite how it works.
Falchoon
11 Feb 2003, 17:51
Originally posted by Perty4
SHANE Warne will not take part in the World Cup and is returning to Australia tonight after taking a banned substance, according to reports.
Channel 7 reported that Warne inadvertently took the banned substance during treatment for his dislocated shoulder.
The days of professional sportsmen "inadvertently" taking banned substances should be long gone. I hope he doesn't rely on it in his defense.
If he wants to lose some weight he might be able to join Berry as a St Kilda runner?
Originally posted by scmods
Just thought I'd point out that diuretics have many legitimate uses other than masking steroid use.
So it almost certain that steroid masking was not the reason Warne had them.
Not sure how you reach this conclusion, just because there are other reasons why he may have taken them it doesn't mean that he definately hasn't taken them to mask steroids. The other thing I will say on this is that many of those alternative reasons involve the prolonged use of the diuretic. Warnes claim that he only took one tablet doesn't make sense to me, as one tablet would be next to useless.
However, that doesn't change the fact that they are a banned substance and he will be suspended for using them. IF he can demonstrate that they were for recovery from injury or whatever, he MIGHT get a lighter suspension, but don't count on it.
As far as I am concerned, there is no excuse in this day and age to take any sort of banned substance. He should cop the full penalty, anything less is a copout.
Moomba
Does this mean that england are awarded the VB trophy?
Booze Hound
11 Feb 2003, 18:40
Originally posted by scmods
Just thought I'd point out that diuretics have many legitimate uses other than masking steroid use.
So it almost certain that steroid masking was not the reason Warne had them.
However, that doesn't change the fact that they are a banned substance and he will be suspended for using them. IF he can demonstrate that they were for recovery from injury or whatever, he MIGHT get a lighter suspension, but don't count on it.
No he won't (and as an Englishman might I say :)).
Assuming (and I would assume) the ICC have similar rules to the I.O.C. and other major sporting bodies the fact that the substance is there will produce an instant two year ban. The very few cases where this has been overturned involve proof that 'something had been slipped in to a drink withou the person knowing' or that the sample had been tampered with. Neither sem likely here.
I also assume the I.C.C. have gonads, although I'm not sure at the moment.
The Ewok
11 Feb 2003, 18:48
Originally posted by Booze Hound
Assuming (and I would assume) the ICC have similar rules to the I.O.C. and other major sporting bodies the fact that the substance is there will produce an instant two year ban. The very few cases where this has been overturned involve proof that 'something had been slipped in to a drink withou the person knowing' or that the sample had been tampered with. Neither sem likely here.
I also assume the I.C.C. have gonads, although I'm not sure at the moment.
It's going to be interesting what the ICC do
Firstly it will go to the ACB and they don't have a set 2 year ban, looking at the past, the Spencer dude from WA got 18 months for steriod use, Rummans 3 months for his cough medicine, so you would put Warne (if you believe his dubious story) in between those two and 6-12 month ban yet the ICC can also force a set 2 year ban seeing he was caught in an ICC sanctioned match (VB Series) if they don't agree with the ACB penalty
Booze Hound
11 Feb 2003, 19:02
It is an I.C.C. matter.
In such situations the global ruling body takes precedence.
If he were banned by the I.C.C. and then played domestic cricket any player involved in that match could also be banned. Similar things have happened in athletics.
The Ewok
11 Feb 2003, 19:04
Originally posted by Booze Hound
It is an I.C.C. matter.
In such situations the global ruling body takes precedence.
If he were banned by the I.C.C. and then played domestic cricket any player involved in that match could also be banned. Similar things have happened in athletics.
In the press conference the ACB dude said it would be heard by the ACB Drug Tribunal in Melbourne in the next few days
larrikin
11 Feb 2003, 19:15
Originally posted by The Ewok
In the press conference the ACB dude said it would be heard by the ACB Drug Tribunal in Melbourne in the next few days ....and if he came through that the ACB would apply to the ICC to have hime reinstated.
The Ewok
11 Feb 2003, 19:18
Originally posted by larrikin
....and if he came through that the ACB would apply to the ICC to have hime reinstated.
Yes, that's what they said
Bloody unlikely though
Rummans got 3 months for his gout! (not cough) medicine, Warne's much worse than this
6-12 months I'd predict
Captain Sensible
11 Feb 2003, 19:19
Does anyone know what the ICC or ACB drug policy is?
larrikin
11 Feb 2003, 19:31
Originally posted by The Ewok
Yes, that's what they said
Bloody unlikely though
Rummans got 3 months for his gout! (not cough) medicine, Warne's much worse than this
6-12 months I'd predict
Yep, minimum
GhostofJimJess
11 Feb 2003, 20:20
The days of using naivety and stupidity as a defence for using banned substances should be well behind us, especially in a country like ours where drug education and awareness is in abundance.
The penalty imposed on Shane must mean something - he's got off pretty lightly for a number of past indiscretions, but if this once carries weight, it's far worse than any phone sex, taking money from bookies, or giving a few youngsters a clip behind the ear.
Wasn't there one of our shooters who received a decent suspension for testing positive to a diuretic around Olympics time ?
Brett Li
11 Feb 2003, 20:51
Originally posted by noodle
This is going to be a joke of a world cup.
why?
Originally posted by moomba
Not sure how you reach this conclusion, just because there are other reasons why he may have taken them it doesn't mean that he definately hasn't taken them to mask steroids.
I said "almost certain" because that's what I am. I can think of no performance enhancer which would be of use to a leg spinner.
The other possibility of course is that he is masking something used to aid his shoulder receovery. But I don't think even Shane Warne is stupid enough to think he'd get away with that. That he is stupid enough to take something stupid without checking properly, I can believe easily.
As far as I am concerned, there is no excuse in this day and age to take any sort of banned substance.
I'm with you on that one.
Originally posted by BoozeHound
I also assume the I.C.C. have gonads
You assume far too much!
On an individual level, I don't want to se Warne wiped out for a stupid ****-up (presuming that is what it turns out to be).
But on a global level, I am pretty sick of people making stupid ****-ups and then pleading to be let off their stupidity.
Originally posted by jozeph
Does this mean that england are awarded the VB trophy?
It was probably their only hope of winning. :D
Holycrap
11 Feb 2003, 21:24
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
How long is the suspension for this sort of thing, and would he be picked again anyway? Lots of questions here.
Warne took a substance in the ICC list of banned substance. Regardless of it being a simple diuretic, it warrants an auto 2 years on the sideline of ALL types of cricket, both internationally, domesticly and club cricket, according to the ICC rules. The ACB will hope for leniency but this is a ICC event and argueably, the most important event for the ICC - don't expect Mal Speed to take it lightly.
Warne has often mentioned that Errol Allcott has been assisting him in his recovery, surely the man has enough sense to tell Allcott what he is taken, diuretic's helps discharge fluids (fluid in the shoulder?) leaving the body weary afterwards. And shouldn't the team physio and doctors have been aware of this?
I agree with the majority, long gone are the days of 'Oh I didn't know?' because that is ignorance!
I hope the Australian sports media/ACB don't play this down for we seem to give it other countries when their sports stars are caught and we condecend them about how our athletes are clean and always tested...well the biggest sporting star in Australia and the cricketing world has tested positive, no sweeping and spin doctoring can subtle this down and if we do, our whole drug testing will be questioned!
Just like we call Muli and Aktar a chucker whilst call Lee's a technical fault, the world will call Warne a drug cheat - no if's or but's about it.
Brett Li
11 Feb 2003, 21:27
Originally posted by JUBJUB
It was probably their only hope of winning. :D
Seeing as Warnie has been busted for clearly being a cheat, can we have the Ashes back as well? Oh sh*t, we already have them
:D
tiger of old
12 Feb 2003, 08:03
what has come clear over the past 12hrs or so is:
all players a fully aware of what can be taken and what not.shanes defence of he unknowingly taking a pill with a banned substance makes him either a goose or he belives he is above the law.
the 2nd sample will prove the real reason for taking the drug.if it comes back positive then it will make his defence pretty hard to defend.as this diuretic pill can mask any trace of any steriod use if enough has been taken.
this would lead into suspicions on why his shoulder healed so quickly.
should he be still banned if the 2nd test comes back negative?
i say yes.
doesnt matter if your shane warne or joe blow the fact is all sportsman weather its cricketers or footballers etc have been educated on this matter.
cheers!
Originally posted by Holycrap
Warne took a substance in the ICC list of banned substance. Regardless of it being a simple diuretic, it warrants an auto 2 years on the sideline of ALL types of cricket, both internationally, domesticly and club cricket, according to the ICC rules. The ACB will hope for leniency but this is a ICC event and argueably, the most important event for the ICC - don't expect Mal Speed to take it lightly.
Warne has often mentioned that Errol Allcott has been assisting him in his recovery, surely the man has enough sense to tell Allcott what he is taken, diuretic's helps discharge fluids (fluid in the shoulder?) leaving the body weary afterwards. And shouldn't the team physio and doctors have been aware of this?
I agree with the majority, long gone are the days of 'Oh I didn't know?' because that is ignorance!
I hope the Australian sports media/ACB don't play this down for we seem to give it other countries when their sports stars are caught and we condecend them about how our athletes are clean and always tested...well the biggest sporting star in Australia and the cricketing world has tested positive, no sweeping and spin doctoring can subtle this down and if we do, our whole drug testing will be questioned!
Just like we call Muli and Aktar a chucker whilst call Lee's a technical fault, the world will call Warne a drug cheat - no if's or but's about it.
Originally posted by tiger of old
what has come clear over the past 12hrs or so is:
all players a fully aware of what can be taken and what not.shanes defence of he unknowingly taking a pill with a banned substance makes him either a goose or he belives he is above the law.
the 2nd sample will prove the real reason for taking the drug.if it comes back positive then it will make his defence pretty hard to defend.as this diuretic pill can mask any trace of any steriod use if enough has been taken.
this would lead into suspicions on why his shoulder healed so quickly.
should he be still banned if the 2nd test comes back negative?
i say yes.
doesnt matter if your shane warne or joe blow the fact is all sportsman weather its cricketers or footballers etc have been educated on this matter.
cheers!
That fact that the Australian Players will get almost the entire prize money from the world cup may also have something to do with it.
He has cheated. No lets watch as the ACB sweeps it under the carpet.
What a Joke ' My mum gave it to me" thats just sick.
Falchoon
12 Feb 2003, 17:20
Originally posted by wagstaff
It would be good if it was revealed that Andrew Symonds had been taking performance-enhancing drugs, no self-respecting sports athlete would ever take those type of drugs again once they saw what they did to him.
About face? They just take a while :p