View Full Version : Changes vs Adelaide.
AndyLesPaul
31 May 2009, 16:54
IN: Reimers, Prismall
OUT: Monfries/Jetta, they need a little time off.
Skeeta Olly
31 May 2009, 16:57
We'll have to see what comes of Bendigo.
Bellchambers doesn't look good, and according to Spikey, neither does Laycock.
Hey hey hey hey hey, it's according to Spikey who's getting his info off Ricky O off 7. Plz get it right :(
ghostdog
31 May 2009, 17:01
Bellchambers is gone. The news was that Laycock's foot injury has flared again.
Didn't see Spike collide with an ump.
Slattery out for striking Johnson?
I'd like to Prismall and Reimers in as well.
Skipworth looked a bit underdone.
How's Hurley travelling?
BomberAce7
31 May 2009, 17:01
Far too early to make decisions on changes. Odviously there will be changes but who knows who comes in & goes out.
BomberAce7
31 May 2009, 17:02
Bellchambers is gone. The news was that Laycock's foot injury has flared again.
Didn't see Spike collide with an ump.
Slattery out for striking Johnson?
I'd like to Prismall and Reimers in as well.
Skipworth looked a bit underdone.
How's Hurley travelling?
Hurley broke his scaphold last week. 8-10 weeks most likely.
Bombers1234
31 May 2009, 17:03
In: Dempsey, Prismall, Daniher
Out: Lonergan, Belly, McVeigh(susp)
Must admit, was very dissapointing effort today.
With big bellend going down, looks like Hooker will pinch hit in the ruck.
Just hope that Paddy doesn't get injured, that would be disastorous.
Skeeta Olly
31 May 2009, 17:10
Hurley broke his scaphold last week. 8-10 weeks most likely.
Hurley is 2-3.
BomberAce7
31 May 2009, 17:13
Hurley is 2-3.
That's good then. I thought it was alot more weeks than that.
Darealrath
31 May 2009, 17:13
Slattery could be in trouble for that little jab to Johnson's stomach.
boncer34
31 May 2009, 17:15
Slattery should be in trouble for being rubbish.
Mcphee & Slattery are both for the tip!!
In: Dempsey (if ok) Prismall, Laycock
Out: Slattery, Mcphee, Bellchambers (inj)
:rolleyes: A bad game - against the best team in the league - and Slatts is back to being the scrapgoat...
I doubt Prismall will come in next week. After the break against Melbourne would be more likely.
When he (slatts) has a good game i'm happy to admit it and praise his efforts, unfortunately i dont think he's played one decent game all year. Surely we have players we can slot in a back pocket who not only dispose of the ball properly but can actually get the thing as well. I know geelong are a great side but 5 touches (2 of them clangers) playing more than 90% of the game is not good enough.
Further more:
Its ok for jetta to get dropped if he has bad game or even lucas or monfries - why is slattery the precious untouchable I'm sure he as couragte and ability but he sure hasn't shown it.
ghostdog
31 May 2009, 17:52
:rolleyes: A bad game - against the best team in the league - and Slatts is back to being the scrapgoat...
Yeah, knee jerks.
It's difficult to pick ins and outs because we were smashed all over the park.
Jetta was a non-event today. His tackling pressure may count against Adelaide though...
Monfries was just okay, but who wasn't?
McPhee was one of the only really hard bodies in defence I thought. Pears' size was exposed today, though he still did some good things.
Not the best game to start rubbishing players for their efforts though, and calling them rubbish for their efforts is crap anyway. The kind of 'supporters' I loathe. Now I'm actually pissed off. You blokes who call yourselves supporters in one breath and rubbish our players in the next can piss off. They are considered good enough to play, you make piss weak comments from behind your pc. :mad:
Skeeta Olly
31 May 2009, 17:53
When he (slatts) has a good game i'm happy to admit it and praise his efforts, unfortunately i dont think he's played one decent game all year. Surely we have players we can slot in a back pocket who not only dispose of the ball properly but can actually get the thing as well. I know geelong are a great side but 5 touches (2 of them clangers) playing more than 90% of the game is not good enough.
Further more:
Its ok for jetta to get dropped if he has bad game or even lucas or monfries - why is slattery the precious untouchable I'm sure he as couragte and ability but he sure hasn't shown it.
Get your facts right.
- 9 possesions.
He also had 7 tackles.
If you;re he one going to make accusations, at least give reasons. Yes, lets drops Slatts. I ask you, for who? How about you answer that... Don't give us " Surely we have players we can slot in a back pocket".
George Washington
31 May 2009, 17:57
In: Dempsey (if ok) Prismall, Laycock
Out: Slattery, Mcphee, Bellchambers (inj)
Thats a good idea!
Lets replace a shut down small defender with a rebounding half back flanker, and one of our toughest bodies in defence in mcphee with another midfielder. :thumbsd:
Are you his boyfirend or something its just my opinion. Whats the point in having depth when everyone is safe in the side whether they play poorly or not,
In answer to you question I'd have nash in there before slattery.
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 18:07
Lol, Nash can't get a kick for Bendigo.
Another week, another Newbie who bags Slats/Laycock/Dyson/McPhee/Stanton/Jetta [delete as appropriate].:rolleyes:
Outs: Bellchambers (inj.), Slattery (susp.), McVeigh (susp.)
Ins: Laycock (Daniher if he's not right), T Slattery, Prismall
Wahooti Fandango
31 May 2009, 18:11
Jetta was not too bad today, but Monfries has to go.
Out: Bellchambers, Monfries, Lonergan
In: Laycock (if fit), Prismall, Dempsey
PressureCooker
31 May 2009, 18:13
Slattery's "hit" was an open hander. And that TWAT S. Johnson milked it for all it was worth (surprise surprise). Shouldn't be any issue.
And Spike susp??? I didn't really see the collision with the ump but shouldn't it just be a fine? Or has he offended in the past?
In: Dempsey, Prismall, Daniher
Out: Lonergan, Belly, McVeigh(susp)
Must admit, was very dissapointing effort today.
With big bellend going down, looks like Hooker will pinch hit in the ruck.
Just hope that Paddy doesn't get injured, that would be disastorous.
Nothing in the McVeigh ump contact they were joking about it in the end. Only good thing about todays lose is a few geelong players will come under the spotlight mooney for his forearm on skipworth and scratlet for his hit on monfries.
hateitorlovett13
31 May 2009, 18:16
Hows Reimers travelling?
Today I just thought we lacked skill, pure and simple. First game I can remember (would obviously have happened before, but not for a long time)where Lovett hasn't been able to really break free and have a game breaking run. We handballed to sitting ducks, and gave hospital hand passes way too much.
Thought our midfield was absolutely shit. Ryder gets the tap so often, yet we just fail to turn it into a centre clearance. When we did, our kicks rarely hit the target.
I'm really worried about Jetta. The kid has so much talent, and I've been one who has always wanted him in the side, even just to develop a bit, but I am not sure it's going to happen. Obviously against a quality side in Geelong, and I don't think we need to really be dropping anyone unnecessarily.
Give Prissa another week, better safe than sorry.
Skeeta Olly
31 May 2009, 18:17
Are you his boyfirend or something its just my opinion. Whats the point in having depth when everyone is safe in the side whether they play poorly or not,
In answer to you question I'd have nash in there before slattery.
I'm being rational, you're being...well....
How about you open your eyes and see that you can't just play a whole team of midfielders because they're better than defenders. I mean, your ins/outs speak for themselves.
Nash: What Ben said.
Since there is no next best alternative, harden up.
dirtywhitepacker
31 May 2009, 18:18
INS: Prismall, Daniher, Dempsey
OUTS: Monfries, Bellchambers, Lonergan
Bad loss to a good team. Lonergan maybe a bit stiff, but I think it's time to bring Prismall since he has survived a few full VFL games now. Bellchambers down with the knee, so Hooker will have to pinch hit in the ruck, Daniher in to fill the hole down back. Will be a little short down back but shouldn't be too exposed against Adelaide. Monfries had a shocker today, a week off as punishment. By all reports, Dempsey just didn't get up this week, so should be fine this week.
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 18:20
Slattery's "hit" was an open hander. And that TWAT S. Johnson milked it for all it was worth (surprise surprise). Shouldn't be any issue.
Johnson is a cheat. However, the punch I saw was into the guts of a bloke lying down. Didn't think it was an open hander either.
And Spike susp??? I didn't really see the collision with the ump but shouldn't it just be a fine? Or has he offended in the past?
Bad record will probably see a reprimand become a 1 week suspension.:(
AndyLesPaul
31 May 2009, 18:25
Johnson is a cheat. However, the punch I saw was into the guts of a bloke lying down. Didn't think it was an open hander either.
Bad record will probably see a reprimand become a 1 week suspension.:(
Nah i saw the ump hit.
McVeigh was on the ground, and it looked like they were on good terms.
kelvin_sheedy
31 May 2009, 18:25
Slattery open hand.. want go for that. He got seriously exposed by Johnson but he's currently in the top 10 footballers in the league.
Wipe this game from the memory as they were always going to be too good. Forget form and only drop/pick guys because of injury.
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 18:27
Am I thinking of the same one?
Slats punched Johnson in the guts while he (Johnson) was down. It was behind play, reckless or even intentional, and low to medium impact.
That's at least a week I think.
Skeeta Olly
31 May 2009, 18:29
Am I thinking of the same one?
Slats punched Johnson in the guts while he (Johnson) was down. It was behind play, reckless or even intentional, and low to medium impact.
That's at least a week I think.
I know what you're talking about. I can't remember if it was open/closed fist though.
S.J milked it though.
kelvin_sheedy
31 May 2009, 18:30
I thought he opened his hand at the last minute and it was more like a karate chop.
Only say it once quickly so I could be wrong. Johnson looked to be seriously faking it though.
PressureCooker
31 May 2009, 18:32
Yeah that's the one. Couldn't make the game today so had the advantage of seeing a couple of replays. Slatts was smart about it and opened his hand at the last moment IIRC which on past form from the MRP can't be called a strike. And the impact was low. Johnson is a cheat.
Wahooti Fandango
31 May 2009, 18:32
I thought he opened his hand at the last minute and it was more like a karate chop.
Only say it once quickly so I could be wrong. Johnson looked to be seriously faking it though.
Just saw a replay of the incident on the news and it was an open hand.
Our last quarter efforts have given me hope for next week though. Hopefully Bellchambers isn't that seriously maybe a week or two
HighettBomber
31 May 2009, 18:32
:rolleyes: A bad game - against the best team in the league - and Slatts is back to being the scrapgoat...
Slatts is my scapegoat every week, he is just plain not up to it. We would be better off trying some of our midfielders or forwards down there. He is too slow, weak in the air and gives us no run. People on here love getting stuck into Dyson and Jetta, but they create things and have an influence, even if they make errors. Slatts does nothing week in week out, he is a liability.
How can the glasses be so rose coloured for a player that barely does the role he is asked to do when he plays on a remotely good player.
Just because Slattery is dropped does not mean he is being made a scapegoat. He is very much a horses for courses type player. Who was a realistic match up today against Geelong?
Hawkins - obviously not a chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Mooney - ditto
Johnson - it had had been said many times before the game he couldn't overhead with SJ
Varcoe - wouldn't think Slats could keep up
Byrnes - ditto
Djkurra - ditto (did seem a little slower than Varcoe & Byrnes so maybe)
Rooke - well you are not going to tag a tagger surely
Abblett - can't see Slats staying with him
Chapman - this would have been OK, obviously Chapman didn't play
So who of the list of players that is realistically going to play forward would you play Slattery on with any confidence? Chapman is the only match up IMO and he didn't play.
Slattery is protected because he is hard and gives his all as a defensive player. There are so few decent players that he can do a job on that he ends up being carried more weeks than he is not.
Lets look at the set up next week:
Tippett - obviously not chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Walker - can't go with him overhead
Porplyzia - ditto
Thompson - ditto
Goodwin - ditto
Johncock - (hardly ever plays forward these daysayway) can't keep up with him
Dangerfield - ditto
That is it for the dagerous forward options that I would bother closing down. If there is no match up for the shut down player why would he play?
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 18:35
Only say it once quickly so I could be wrong. Johnson looked to be seriously faking it though.
Ditto, and I didn't see his hand opening.
Fingers crossed anyway. We don't need more ****ing players out.
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 18:38
How can the glasses be so rose coloured for a player that barely does the role he is asked to do when he plays on a remotely good player.
Just because Slattery is dropped does not mean he is being made a scapegoat. He is very much a horses for courses type player. Who was a realistic match up today against Geelong?
Hawkins - obviously not a chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Mooney - ditto
Johnson - it had had been said many times before the game he couldn't overhead with SJ
Varcoe - wouldn't think Slats could keep up
Byrnes - ditto
Djkurra - ditto (did seem a little slower than Varcoe & Byrnes so maybe)
Rooke - well you are not going to tag a tagger surely
Abblett - can't see Slats staying with him
Chapman - this would have been OK, obviously Chapman didn't play
So who of the list of players that is realistically going to play forward would you play Slattery on with any confidence? Chapman is the only match up IMO and he didn't play.
Slattery is protected because he is hard and gives his all as a defensive player. There are so few decent players that he can do a job on that he ends up being carried more weeks than he is not.
Lets look at the set up next week:
Tippett - obviously not chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Walker - can't go with him overhead
Porplyzia - ditto
Thompson - ditto
Goodwin - ditto
Johncock - (hardly ever plays forward these daysayway) can't keep up with him
Dangerfield - ditto
That is it for the dagerous forward options that I would bother closing down. If there is no match up for the shut down player why would he play?
I'm sorry, but that's a load of absolute shite.
Slats has a place in our team against any opposition team you care to name.
If you are going to have the debate, which is encouraged (I am not being sarcastic), name the players listed that you would gladly send Slattery to.
Will Geelong derail our season again??
james_omahoney
31 May 2009, 18:55
If you think Slattery should be dropped based on this year's performance then you have no intelligence in my opinion.
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 19:04
If you are going to have the debate, which is encouraged (I am not being sarcastic), name the players listed that you would gladly send Slattery to.
Adelaide - Chris Knights
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then)
Carlton - Betts
Collingwood - Didak
Sydney - Jared Moore
Bulldogs - Johnson
Richmond - Nahas
West Coast - LeCras
Brisbane - Hooper
St Kilda - Milne
Fremantle - Ballantyne
Hawthorn - Rioli
ghostdog
31 May 2009, 19:06
Are you his boyfirend or something its just my opinion. Whats the point in having depth when everyone is safe in the side whether they play poorly or not,
In answer to you question I'd have nash in there before slattery.
Your opinion is s***.
I'm basing this judgment on your one bad post.
IN: Reimers, Prismall
OUT: Monfries/Jetta, they need a little time off.
Reimers ??
How can you name him as an in ? Played 60% game time last week and from what i was told was only going to play around 70% today. He has had no pre season at all and has only been in full training for about 4 weeks.
Will be well under done at this stage.
As for a few others Laycock still has a sore foot as he pulled up lame after last weeks VFL game so that will leave Hooker to play back up ruck again.
Nash injured a shoulder today, not sure how bad.
Fletcher may be close but is more likely to be the following game.
Daniher and Prismal the likely ins.
My thoughts in the brackets
Adelaide - Chris Knights (queries overhead and Knights is in the midfield a lot)
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then) (Slatery gets a game)
Carlton - Betts (I would prefer to give this job to Houli to improve his defensive game. Just can't see Slattery being around when it is improtant)
Collingwood - Didak (Slatery gets a game)
Sydney - Jared Moore (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for Moore?)
Bulldogs - Johnson (No, Johnson is too good overhead)
Richmond - Nahas (You must be joking, have you seen how fast this guy is)
West Coast - LeCras (I would give Slattery the job here though overhead might be a problem.)
Brisbane - Hooper (I heisitated long enough when making a decision to concede this one)
St Kilda - Milne (Yes)
Fremantle - Ballantyne (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for this guy?)
Hawthorn - Rioli (This smells to me so no. Again I just don't know how he keeps up in the cricual moments)
When I have concerns about Slattery keeping up it is because of the nature of the goal sneak. They may only ever be in crucial spots on the ground as few as 2 - 5 times a game (e.g. crumbing packs, running back to goal and the like). I don't want Slattery being the one trying to lock down some of those ingigenous boys when it counts most.
Slattery is protected because he's just about our only good small defensive option.
(I've bolded 'defensive' to counter people saying Nash ...)
carmi99
31 May 2009, 19:22
Am I thinking of the same one?
Slats punched Johnson in the guts while he (Johnson) was down. It was behind play, reckless or even intentional, and low to medium impact.
That's at least a week I think.
Yeah that is the one. It was an open hand amd SJ was playing for a free kick. It wasnt even as bad as Dempseys on Nahas last week (not that Dempseys was bad). I will never watch football again if Slattery goes for that.
carmi99
31 May 2009, 19:23
Daniher and Prismal the likely ins.
What about Dempsey?
AndyLesPaul
31 May 2009, 19:23
Reimers ??
How can you name him as an in ? Played 60% game time last week and from what i was told was only going to play around 70% today. He has had no pre season at all and has only been in full training for about 4 weeks.
Will be well under done at this stage.
As for a few others Laycock still has a sore foot as he pulled up lame after last weeks VFL game so that will leave Hooker to play back up ruck again.
Nash injured a shoulder today, not sure how bad.
Fletcher may be close but is more likely to be the following game.
Daniher and Prismal the likely ins.
Bit of a random decision.
Assumed he played well.
Daniher and Prismall are to be considered though
bOmBeR_BoY1
31 May 2009, 19:25
I will have to hear more about the reports from the VFL before making predictions on changes. It is obvious there will be two or three though. Prismall apparently had 30 possessions and played a full game in the VFL today, I think it's time to make his debut and Dempsey should return.
We lost to Geelong by 99 points last year and come out the next week and had a good win. Hopefully we can respond well again to this setback.
carmi99
31 May 2009, 19:29
Adelaide - Chris Knights
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then)
Carlton - Betts
Collingwood - Didak
Sydney - Jared Moore
Bulldogs - Johnson
Richmond - Nahas
West Coast - LeCras
Brisbane - Hooper
St Kilda - Milne
Fremantle - Ballantyne
Hawthorn - Rioli
Houli has stopped this guys in the last 3 weeks so i would give him first dibs again. Slatts hasnt got the pace to go with Rob. Not saying he shouldnt be picked though. Those saying he doesnt have a role as a small shut down defender are off their nuts.
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 19:34
Adelaide - Chris Knights (queries overhead and Knights is in the midfield a lot)
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then) (Slatery gets a game)
Carlton - Betts (I would prefer to give this job to Houli to improve his defensive game. Just can't see Slattery being around when it is improtant)
Collingwood - Didak (Slatery gets a game)
Sydney - Jared Moore (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for Moore?)
Bulldogs - Johnson (No, Johnson is too good overhead)
Richmond - Nahas (You must be joking, have you seen how fast this guy is)
West Coast - LeCras (I would give Slattery the job here though overhead might be a problem.)
Brisbane - Hooper (I heisitated long enough when making a decision to concede this one)
St Kilda - Milne (Yes)
Fremantle - Ballantyne (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for this guy?)
Hawthorn - Rioli (This smells to me so no. Again I just don't know how he keeps up in the cricual moments)
Those saying he doesnt have a role as a small shut down defender are off their nuts.
As simple as what carmi said. You are looking for any nitpicking little thing to drop Slats, and ignoring facts.
Who's better on the small forwards? Nash? T Slattery? Atkinson?
dave_27
31 May 2009, 19:35
OUT: Bellchambers Skipworth
IN: Daniher Dempsey
Boucks09
31 May 2009, 19:39
This thread should be closed until Monday morning each week as there are too many posters who post crap based purely on emotion and the disappointment of the game (or a player's performance) directly after a match.
It's essentially 4 pages of tripe so far.
rioli brownlow
31 May 2009, 19:48
OUT: Bellchambers Skipworth
IN: Daniher Dempsey
i would go with
in.daniher,dempsey,prismall,lucas
out. bellchambers,slattery,zarkarakis,lonergan.
the reason why lucas was dropped in the first place was to get confidence back. but for christ sake playing for a team that is getting smashed by over 60 points everyweek what is the point? he has kicked 10 goals in the previous 3 games in the vfl before today, from going by the scores very few oppurtunitys so why not put him back in the ones as he will still take the 2nd best defender and it will give neagle the 3rd best. total waste of time him playing at bendigo, if knights refuses to play him next week, then he might aswell retire with a bit of dignity. cause he certaintly isn't receiving any playing for bendigo.
i would like to line up like this next week.
houli,pears,daniher
dempsey,mcphee,stanton
dyson,watson,lovett
davey,lloyd,prismall
monfries,neagle,lucas
ryder,mcveigh,windelich
jetta,skipworth,hooker,hocking
The Sloane Ranger
31 May 2009, 19:49
How can the glasses be so rose coloured for a player that barely does the role he is asked to do when he plays on a remotely good player.
Just because Slattery is dropped does not mean he is being made a scapegoat. He is very much a horses for courses type player. Who was a realistic match up today against Geelong?
Hawkins - obviously not a chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Mooney - ditto
Johnson - it had had been said many times before the game he couldn't overhead with SJ
Varcoe - wouldn't think Slats could keep up
Byrnes - ditto
Djkurra - ditto (did seem a little slower than Varcoe & Byrnes so maybe)
Rooke - well you are not going to tag a tagger surely
Abblett - can't see Slats staying with him
Chapman - this would have been OK, obviously Chapman didn't play
So who of the list of players that is realistically going to play forward would you play Slattery on with any confidence? Chapman is the only match up IMO and he didn't play.
Slattery is protected because he is hard and gives his all as a defensive player. There are so few decent players that he can do a job on that he ends up being carried more weeks than he is not.
Lets look at the set up next week:
Tippett - obviously not chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Walker - can't go with him overhead
Porplyzia - ditto
Thompson - ditto
Goodwin - ditto
Johncock - (hardly ever plays forward these daysayway) can't keep up with him
Dangerfield - ditto
That is it for the dagerous forward options that I would bother closing down. If there is no match up for the shut down player why would he play?
sorry for butting in however Goodwin, Thompson and Johncock have spent little to no time in the forward line this season
so if you remove these three and replace them with Stevens, Kights (9 goals in last 2 games) and McLeod and Vince rotating through the forward zone then you can do your match ups
rioli brownlow
31 May 2009, 19:50
Adelaide - Chris Knights (queries overhead and Knights is in the midfield a lot)
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then) (Slatery gets a game)
Carlton - Betts (I would prefer to give this job to Houli to improve his defensive game. Just can't see Slattery being around when it is improtant)
Collingwood - Didak (Slatery gets a game)
Sydney - Jared Moore (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for Moore?)
Bulldogs - Johnson (No, Johnson is too good overhead)
Richmond - Nahas (You must be joking, have you seen how fast this guy is)
West Coast - LeCras (I would give Slattery the job here though overhead might be a problem.)
Brisbane - Hooper (I heisitated long enough when making a decision to concede this one)
St Kilda - Milne (Yes)
Fremantle - Ballantyne (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for this guy?)
Hawthorn - Rioli (This smells to me so no. Again I just don't know how he keeps up in the cricual moments)
As simple as what carmi said. You are looking for any nitpicking little thing to drop Slats, and ignoring facts.
Who's better on the small forwards? Nash? T Slattery? Atkinson?
ever heard of houli????
last 3 weeks. milne,nahas and varcoe total goals 3!!!!!!!!
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 19:51
ever heard of houli????
last 3 weeks. milne,nahas and varcoe total goals 3!!!!!!!!
You'll notice that Houli has been playing alongside Slattery for the past three weeks. So it follows logically that there's a spot for both of them.
But if you want to drop Slattery for some "structure" bullshit which is an attempt to justify the chip on your shoulder, go for it.
AndyLesPaul
31 May 2009, 19:54
This thread should be closed until Monday morning each week as there are too many posters who post crap based purely on emotion and the disappointment of the game (or a player's performance) directly after a match.
It's essentially 4 pages of tripe so far.
That's why its fun :D
rioli brownlow
31 May 2009, 19:59
You'll notice that Houli has been playing alongside Slattery for the past three weeks. So it follows logically that there's a spot for both of them.
But if you want to drop Slattery for some "structure" bullshit which is an attempt to justify the chip on your shoulder, go for it.
you just made a fool of yourself, you asked the ? who is someone better to play on the small forwards other than slattery?
This thread should be closed until Monday morning each week as there are too many posters who post crap based purely on emotion and the disappointment of the game (or a player's performance) directly after a match.
It's essentially 4 pages of tripe so far.Tell me about it :(
I will have to hear more about the reports from the VFL before making predictions on changes. It is obvious there will be two or three though. Prismall apparently had 30 possessions and played a full game in the VFL today, I think it's time to make his debut and Dempsey should return.
We lost to Geelong by 99 points last year and come out the next week and had a good win. Hopefully we can respond well again to this setback.
Crows are so overated it's not funny. Pears will shut Walker down big time next week. Prismal will come in, question mark about playing Mcveigh today looked underdowned and had mimal impact really kicked a nice goal though. Say
Out: Skipworth, Jetta
In: Prismal and Riemers
Skipworth did some alright things today but made us look really slow
Houli and McPhee are treading a fine line. Dont think we should drop McPhee purely because we need a backman while fletch and hurley are out. Houli has played for a few weeks and not really got into hot form. He is getting the footy but still turning it over too much/not winning balls in dispute, and needs to work on his defensive side. Hopefully Welsh Reimers and Prissy are available next week.
Crows are so overated it's not funny. Pears will shut Walker down big time next week. Prismal will come in, question mark about playing Mcveigh today looked underdowned and had mimal impact really kicked a nice goal though. Say
Out: Skipworth, Jetta
In: Prismal and Riemers
Skipworth did some alright things today but made us look really slow
McVeigh wasnt given a proper crack until half time. Put into the middle and i thought it was obvious he had an impact in the second half!
His running and presenting was outstanding for someone who has missed so much footy. That last quarter especially he could have had 5 more possies if they didnt ignore his lead into space!
Ben the Gooner
31 May 2009, 20:23
you just made a fool of yourself, you asked the ? who is someone better to play on the small forwards other than slattery?
No I didn't. I was defending Slattery against BrunoV's claim that he doesn't fit into our structure. He fits in nicely with Houli, I'd say.
Incidentally, capitalisation is a wonderful thing.
Strike Swiftly
31 May 2009, 20:44
OUTS:
Jetta- Not up to it. Really not up to it.
Monfries - Two inept displays in a row. Dropped.
Wahooti Fandango
31 May 2009, 20:48
OUTS:
Jetta- Not up to it. Really not up to it.
Monfries - Two inept displays in a row. Dropped.
I have been harsh on Jetta the past few weeks and so I paid careful attention to his game today and I think he did enough to stay in. He was one of the few that was able to avoid the all-ground pressure of the Cats.
dave_27
31 May 2009, 20:50
Lucas for Monfries an option?
sorry for butting in however Goodwin, Thompson and Johncock have spent little to no time in the forward line this season
so if you remove these three and replace them with Stevens, Kights (9 goals in last 2 games) and McLeod and Vince rotating through the forward zone then you can do your match ups
Going off that I wouldn't change my opinion. What do you think? Would you be happy with Slattery lining up on either of the three.
I could handle McLeod because he seems to have los some of his pace, wouldn't bother playing a guy solely for the purpose of tagging Vince as a forward and am under the impression that Knights would be too strong in the air.
No I didn't. I was defending Slattery against BrunoV's claim that he doesn't fit into our structure. He fits in nicely with Houli, I'd say.
Incidentally, capitalisation is a wonderful thing.
I don't think I used the word structure.
He doesn't fit in the side as he is too often a liability because he is a very limited player with a limited range of suitable opponenents.
This is not directed at Ben but is more of a general comment: these dicsussions are constantly blown out of context because everyone wants to volunteers their useless one line opinions as fact without any real reasoning evident.
Obviously I don't like Slattery but it is unfair to dumb it down to me not having a clue or having a chip on my shoulder when I have stated reasons for my views. Which virtually no-one (other than an Adelaide supporter) seems to have bothered with.
The only tripe in these threads is the seemingly pointless insults and jibes posted by people who don't actually volunteer and views yet seem to think that they maje meaningful contributions.
lemon chicken
31 May 2009, 21:10
Lucas for Monfries an option?
Yep definite for me. Just too big a gap between his good and bad for a player of his experience.
hollywood23
31 May 2009, 21:13
Ok this is my first post, I signed up because I feel so passionately about the Henry Slattery predicament. To those who think slattery is worthy of a place in our side you must be kidding yourselves. Granted he is a solid battler and has guts, but the guy has no footballing nous. He continually makes bad decisions, gets caught under the ball a hell of a lot, easily beaten for pace and in marking contests, poor skill execution, and just no ability to read the play. Any smart forward would have a field day on the guy.
Understood that there are few alternatives, but surely a guy like david myers would have to take his spot. good reader of the play, good at shutting down opponents, sure he can work on his pace but this is a guy worth persisting with because he will be a gun. Even atkinson could be an option, quick versatile big body. Both these players would provide much more than slattery..he is a dead set liability folks
I'm not getting too upset over that loss, Geelong is a special mature side who physically took us to task today.
We are one or two big bodies short in the midfield, once watson is nullified we struggle to win any clean ball. We need McVeigh to get match fit and introduce another bigger body to help out watson. Welsh isnt far off and Myers should be given a go also.
Dempsey back next week will help and as i said i'd try Myers in the middle.
OzBomber
31 May 2009, 21:15
In - Prismall, Dempsey
Out - Whoever.
The Dustbin
31 May 2009, 21:21
Out: Jetta, Bellchambers
In: Prismall, Daniher,
Dr Moose
31 May 2009, 21:25
i would go with
in.daniher,dempsey,prismall,lucas
out. bellchambers,slattery,zarkarakis,lonergan.
the reason why lucas was dropped in the first place was to get confidence back. ...... he will still take the 2nd best defender and it will give neagle the 3rd best. total waste of time him playing at bendigo, if knights refuses to play him next week, then he might aswell retire with a bit of dignity. cause he certaintly isn't receiving any playing for bendigo.
i would like to line up like this next week.
houli,pears,daniher
dempsey,mcphee,stanton
dyson,watson,lovett
davey,lloyd,prismall
monfries,neagle,lucas
ryder,mcveigh,windelich
jetta,skipworth,hooker,hocking
Totally agree here RB. Hope the selection panel share our wisdom
bombersno1
31 May 2009, 21:28
In: Prismall, Dempsey, Myers, T.Slattery
Outs: Bellchambers (inj.), Skipworth (looked slow for starters), H. Slattery, Jetta
lemon chicken
31 May 2009, 21:34
How can the glasses be so rose coloured for a player that barely does the role he is asked to do when he plays on a remotely good player.
Just because Slattery is dropped does not mean he is being made a scapegoat. He is very much a horses for courses type player. Who was a realistic match up today against Geelong?
Hawkins - obviously not a chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Mooney - ditto
Johnson - it had had been said many times before the game he couldn't overhead with SJ
Varcoe - wouldn't think Slats could keep up
Byrnes - ditto
Djkurra - ditto (did seem a little slower than Varcoe & Byrnes so maybe)
Rooke - well you are not going to tag a tagger surely
Abblett - can't see Slats staying with him
Chapman - this would have been OK, obviously Chapman didn't play
So who of the list of players that is realistically going to play forward would you play Slattery on with any confidence? Chapman is the only match up IMO and he didn't play.
Slattery is protected because he is hard and gives his all as a defensive player. There are so few decent players that he can do a job on that he ends up being carried more weeks than he is not.
Lets look at the set up next week:
Tippett - obviously not chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Walker - can't go with him overhead
Porplyzia - ditto
Thompson - ditto
Goodwin - ditto
Johncock - (hardly ever plays forward these daysayway) can't keep up with him
Dangerfield - ditto
That is it for the dagerous forward options that I would bother closing down. If there is no match up for the shut down player why would he play?
Any of the bolded would of been better options. Eddie Betts didnt towel him up with pace so he isnt that slow. I'd be disappointed if any defenders were dropped from todays side. Not much they can do when a majority of the game was played in Geelongs forward half.
AndyLesPaul
31 May 2009, 21:35
In: Prismall, Dempsey, Myers, T.Slattery
Outs: Bellchambers (inj.), Skipworth (looked slow for starters), H. Slattery, Jetta
Lol. Slattery out.
bombersno1
31 May 2009, 21:49
Yes Slattery out, I am sorry but he is average. I am willing to try a few players this week as we will struggle to beat the Crows anyway. Tyson Slattery deserves his chance. Myers can play a similar role to H.Slattery
Daytripper
31 May 2009, 21:50
I'm not getting too upset over that loss, Geelong is a special mature side who physically took us to task today.
We are one or two big bodies short in the midfield, once watson is nullified we struggle to win any clean ball. We need McVeigh to get match fit and introduce another bigger body to help out watson. Welsh isnt far off and Myers should be given a go also.
Dempsey back next week will help and as i said i'd try Myers in the middle.
Great win by Geelong. Showed us where we need to be at.
Teams do put in bad ones every now and then - and sometimes the opposition are so dominant it can make you look stupid.
Collingwood beat Geelong by 85 points last year so even the best aren't immune to it.
Hopefully the boys will learn from it and get over the loss quickly. We have an important game against Adelaide this week who by all accounts played terrific versus the Hawks today.
Minimal changes at this stage.
In : Dempsey, Fletcher
Out : TBC and maybe Lonergan (love the bloke but his offensive game at the moment is almost non existant and the additions of McVeigh and Skipworth mean we have too many of the same type running around)
Daytripper
31 May 2009, 21:52
Yes Slattery out, I am sorry but he is average. I am willing to try a few players this week as we will struggle to beat the Crows anyway. Tyson Slattery deserves his chance. Myers can play a similar role to H.Slattery
1. Why does Tyson Slattery deserve a chance ?
Is it because he is under 20. :rolleyes:
2. If Myers can play a similar role to Slattery then why has Knights consistently given Henry the much bigger jobs in every game both players have been involved with ?
3. Why do you only make appearances after losses ?
We should beat the Crows in Melbourne too.
The Sloane Ranger
31 May 2009, 21:52
Going off that I wouldn't change my opinion. What do you think? Would you be happy with Slattery lining up on either of the three.
I could handle McLeod because he seems to have los some of his pace, wouldn't bother playing a guy solely for the purpose of tagging Vince as a forward and am under the impression that Knights would be too strong in the air.
Vince, Dangerfield and Porplyzia are all strong in the air for their size, however Knights has a massive tank and huge acceleration over the first 20m..
Knights has kicked 9 goals in the past two weeks from his two way running, he works hard up the ground and loses his opponent on the way back and gets on the end of the good work up field
bombersno1
31 May 2009, 21:53
On today's performance, why is Skipworth an automatic choice, his decision making for a mature recruit was shocking. I fail to see why he should not be seriously looked at being dropped.
Yes Slattery out, I am sorry but he is average. I am willing to try a few players this week as we will struggle to beat the Crows anyway. Tyson Slattery deserves his chance. Myers can play a similar role to H.SlatteryHenry Slattery isn't the problem. Our problem is lack of support for him, and the side's inability to 'run both ways'. Too often do we have opposition players running forward unmarked, putting extra pressure on our young defence.
Daytripper
31 May 2009, 21:57
Henry Slattery isn't the problem. Our problem is lack of support for him, and the side's inability to 'run both ways'. Too often do we have opposition players running forward unmarked, putting extra pressure on our young defence.
Slats led the team with 7 1%'s today too.
Daytripper
31 May 2009, 21:59
On today's performance, why is Skipworth an automatic choice, his decision making for a mature recruit was shocking. I fail to see why he should not be seriously looked at being dropped.
80% disposal efficiency today.
bombersno1
31 May 2009, 21:59
Henry Slattery isn't the problem. Our problem is lack of support for him, and the side's inability to 'run both ways'. Too often do we have opposition players running forward unmarked, putting extra pressure on our young defence.
Slattery does not help though. We do not have much to lose, lets try Myers in his position.
bombersno1
31 May 2009, 22:00
80% disposal efficiency today.
Very surprised at that as mist of his kicks hit the ground..mind you an effective kick is just one that makes it to another Essendon player and I hate using that stat at the best of times.
lemon chicken
31 May 2009, 22:01
On today's performance, why is Skipworth an automatic choice, his decision making for a mature recruit was shocking. I fail to see why he should not be seriously looked at being dropped.
26 possesions and 9 marks in the VFL last week from 60 minutes of game time. You thought Monfries had more influence on the game today than Skipworth?
Daytripper
31 May 2009, 22:01
Slattery does not help though. We do not have much to lose, lets try Myers in his position.
We've got a hell of a lot to lose.
Get beat by Adelaide this week and making finals becomes more difficult. I know that winning isn't a priority for you but it is for the players and 99% of the supporters out there.
We play our strongest possibkle team and we play to win.
kelvin_sheedy
31 May 2009, 22:09
Ins: Fletcher(please god), Daniher, Dempsey, Prismall
Outs: Bellchambers, Skipworth, Monfries, Zaharakis.
Meh.. I was thinking not too many changes but I've got adventurous.
Lonergan stays in as he's a better option than Skippy.
Jetta looked a little more assured this week and gets another run.
Play McPhee forward in place of Monfries and let Fletch, Daniher, Pears do the defensive work with Hooker rotating in the ruck. Daniher and McPhee can swap if we need his size down back.
Lineup:
Slattery Pears Fletcher
Dempsey Daniher/Hooker Houli
Lovett Watson Winderlich
McPhee Lloyd Davey
Jetta Neagle McVeigh
Ryder Hocking Stanton
Dyson, Prismall, Daniher, Lonergan
Probably our best side on paper for a while and we should be able to beat Adelaide at the dome.
bombersno1
31 May 2009, 22:14
26 possesions and 9 marks in the VFL last week from 60 minutes of game time. You thought Monfries had more influence on the game today than Skipworth?
No, I never said Monfries was good. Although to be fair the ball was barely forward of the centre, so a defensive forward's job (Monfries) becomes redundant. Skipworth was poor today regardless of what spin you put on it. He is a midfielder and the midfield was smashed from pillar to post despite Ryder doing well in the ruck! Someone needs to be accountable for that!
bombersno1
31 May 2009, 22:15
We've got a hell of a lot to lose.
Get beat by Adelaide this week and making finals becomes more difficult. I know that winning isn't a priority for you but it is for the players and 99% of the supporters out there.
We play our strongest possibkle team and we play to win.
Sometimes playing youth is good, as it makes these esperienced players earn their spot. Plus I cannot see a matchuo for Henry Slattery at the Crows.
George Washington
31 May 2009, 22:24
For the Slattery Bashers;
he had 7 tackles 17th in the competition this week, and 4th in game only beaten by ablett, djerrkura and bartel. Also had 7 1%'s which was 7th in the comp this week and the most from any player in todays game. So he had 2 goals kicked on him (By Johnson at least), 7 tackles, 7 1%'s, 10 touches at 80% efficiency all the while we were getting absolutely belted.
In defence of Monfries his role is to shut down their rebounding defenders, its a bit tough to do that when we only had 3 inside 50's in the first half for Geelong to rebound from. Though, he does need to work his way into the game a bit more. Looking forward to another Monfries - Hawthorn esque performance next week :D
lemon chicken
31 May 2009, 22:26
No, I never said Monfries was good. Although to be fair the ball was barely forward of the centre, so a defensive forward's job (Monfries) becomes redundant. Skipworth was poor today regardless of what spin you put on it. He is a midfielder and the midfield was smashed from pillar to post despite Ryder doing well in the ruck! Someone needs to be accountable for that!
You said he was an automatic selection which he wasnt. He got stacks of the ball at Bendigo and was promoted. I thought his first half was ordinary but he got better as the match went on but he has just missed 4 weeks of football. He's played half forward most of the year.
Slattery does not help though. We do not have much to lose, lets try Myers in his position.See I think we do. I think if we had've been playing Myers in place of Slattery all year, we would've faired worse than we have. That's not even a knock on Myers, but a compliment to Slatts. He still continues to be vastly underrated by many Bombers fans. Houli's shown enough to continue being the other small defender, too. Dempsey playing as our line-breaking, dashing, courageous defender is vital to our team's success. Fletcher running around helping out would help somewhat, too. McPhee was horrible in his place today.
See I think we do. I think if we had've been playing Myers in place of Slattery all year, we would've fared worse than we have. That's not even a knock on Myers, but a compliment to Slatts. He still continues to be vastly underrated by many Bombers fans. Houli's shown enough to continue being the other small defender, too. Dempsey playing as our line-breaking, dashing, courageous defender is vital to our team's success. Fletcher running around helping out would help somewhat, too. McPhee was horrible in his place today.
Yeh i have a love hate relationship with Slattery, his the new Wallance/Mark Bolton really
warney7
31 May 2009, 22:51
It's too easy to swing the axe after losing to the best side of the past 3 seasons.
Make the necessary changes through injury and suspension and then see if the players outside the current 22 have demanded their spot through solid VFL form, or if they're just being brought in because we lost.
So often I see these threads following losses and we're suggesting 3, 4, 5 changes and very few of those are forced.
Keep the faith.