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Main card
Catchweight (195 lb) bout: Rich Franklin vs. Wanderlei Silva:- This would be murder 6 years ago, but wand for mine is past it. Has no knock out switch anymore. His nerves feel the blow and his brain just turns off.
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Cain Velasquez:- Velasquez is no joke, so Cheick better be on his toes, or he'll be on his back. But tipping the experienced fighter. Just
Welterweight bout: Mike Swick vs. Ben Saunders:- Swick to KO him. To good on his feet.
Welterweight bout: Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy:- Hardy is a guy I like. Davis is a bit to well rounded for mine though. Could be FOTN
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Caol Uno:- Could go either way. I don't know enough about either of them
Heavyweight bout: Mostapha Al-turk vs. Mirko Filipović:- These lebonese dudes can't fight. They're to crazy.
Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Terry Etim vs. Justin Buchholz:-
Lightweight bout: Dennis Siver vs. Dale Hartt:-
Welterweight bout: Paul Taylor vs. Peter Sobotta:-
Lightweight bout: Paul Kelly vs. Rolando Delgado:-
Heavyweight bout: Denis Stojnic vs. Stefan Struve:-
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Rick Story:-
Don't know enough about the guys on the undercard :eek:
riewoldt4aa2011
5 Jun 2009, 18:29
Is that the same Mike swick that was on the original tuf as lhw.
RobbyRoy
5 Jun 2009, 22:13
Main card
Catchweight (195 lb) bout: Rich Franklin vs. Wanderlei Silva:- I think Franklin's good striking will be able to stop Wanderlei, who barely needs to be hit to drop these days. There really are many possibilities in this match, but I think this is most likely.
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Cain Velasquez:- It's a big step up, but I don't think Kongo is really that good. I think Velasquez will try and stand with him, which might not go too well, then take Kongo down and TKO or decision him.
Welterweight bout: Mike Swick vs. Ben Saunders:- Swick to KO him. To good on his feet. Agree
Welterweight bout: Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy:- I haven't seen much of Hardy yet, but he seems good. I'll stick with what I know though.
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Caol Uno:- Uno's getting on but he's got some great skills and should get the decision.
Heavyweight bout: Mostapha Al-turk vs. Mirko Filipović:- Hopefully Cro Cop returns to form like Shogun did against Chuck.
Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Terry Etim vs. Justin Buchholz:-
Lightweight bout: Dennis Siver vs. Dale Hartt:-
Welterweight bout: Paul Taylor vs. Peter Sobotta:-
Lightweight bout: Paul Kelly vs. Rolando Delgado:-
Heavyweight bout: Denis Stojnic vs. Stefan Struve:-
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Rick Story:-
Very weak undercard but there's enough action on the main card to keep me interested. Not sure I'll be buying it though.
RobbyRoy
5 Jun 2009, 22:32
Is that the same Mike swick that was on the original tuf as lhw.
Yeh it is. He dropped to middleweight and did OK, now he's looking good at welterweight.
riewoldt4aa2011
6 Jun 2009, 14:00
Yeh it is. He dropped to middleweight and did OK, now he's looking good at welterweight.
Thats a pretty big drop.
RobbyRoy
6 Jun 2009, 20:13
Thats a pretty big drop.
It's a much more natural weight for him than LHW. It happens a lot with TUFers. They get a massive chance to fight in the UFC so if they get in, they're going to fight at whatever weight is available. Look at Kenny Florian who's also 2 weight classes down now.
riewoldt4aa2011
6 Jun 2009, 20:30
Josh Haynes did the same thing.
Catchweight (195 lb) bout: Rich Franklin vs. Wanderlei Silva - Franklin by UD. Tough to predict here, could go either way. Franklin could well be KO’d but I think Wanderlei’s KO’s of late have been telling and he’s lost some confidence to really pour it on like he used to. That being said I don’t think Rich has quite enough power to do what Rampage or Hendo have done. Likely thing to happen is for Rich to circle and avoid Wanderlei’s power and pepper him with a few here and there kicks, nothing to really damage Wand though, for an uninspiring UD on points.
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Cain Velasquez - Not yet sure if this guy’s all hype, but this will tell. Both up and coming contenders here who will probably get a title shot or close to depending on the result.
Welterweight bout: Mike Swick vs. Ben Saunders - Saunders is definitely underrated and is a HUGE WW, but still, I think Swick is just too experienced. This is a great match up and puts the winner right up there in the mix.
Welterweight bout: Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy – Upset tip for Hardy to take out Davis. Hardy is experienced and tough, and Davis has the tendency to get careless, so might be surprised by Hardy’s power.
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Caol Uno – Tipping with my heart here and hope Uno can use his craftiness and experience to get the Win. Fisher is no joke so this is a tough fight for Uno.
Heavyweight bout: Mostapha Al-turk vs.Mirko Filipović - Please Cro Cop PLEASE!!! Win and win impressively.
Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Terry Etim vs. Justin Buchholz- Etim in a close one.
Lightweight bout: Dennis Siver vs. Dale Hartt- Siver to get the sub in front of the home crowd. Hartt will be remembered for the one checking a kick and breaking Corey Hills leg!
Welterweight bout: Paul Taylor vs. Peter Sobotta:- Taylor easy
Lightweight bout: Paul Kelly vs. Rolando Delgado:- Kelly easy
Heavyweight bout: Denis Stojnic vs. Stefan Struve- Struve to redeem himself
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Rick Story:-
Forrest Gimp
10 Jun 2009, 00:39
I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Wandy is going to crush Rich...
Main card
Catchweight (195 lb) bout: Rich Franklin vs. Wanderlei Silva - won't go so far as to say that Wand will crush Franklin, but if he's still got enough of a chin to stand up to Rich (who is no Hendo, Rampage or Mirko when it comes to KO power) I think he'll be able to swarm Rich for a brutal TKO
Heavyweight bout: Cheick Kongo vs. Cain Velasquez - Kongo's takedown defense has continually improved but Cain all the way for me, his striking ability is underlooked too so I don't think he'll panic if a takedown or two gets stuffed
Welterweight bout: Mike Swick vs. Ben Saunders - really liking this fight, Saunders is a beast but Swick's experience will probably win out in a decision
Welterweight bout: Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy - thinking Davis should take this by decision as he's the better fighter, though if Hardy's really gotten under his skin with all the fake Irish taunting there's a chance he'll play into Dan's hands and get caught
Lightweight bout: Spencer Fisher vs. Caol Uno - Fisher by decision, bit surprised to see Uno in the UFC again
Heavyweight bout: Mostapha Al-turk vs. Mirko Filipović - I'll be really sad if Cro Cop can't win this fight, hopefully he still has something left to offer
Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Terry Etim vs. Justin Buchholz - Etim by TKO
Lightweight bout: Dennis Siver vs. Dale Hartt - Hartt by submission
Welterweight bout: Paul Taylor vs. Peter Sobotta - Taylor by decision
Lightweight bout: Paul Kelly vs. Rolando Delgado - Kelly by TKO
Heavyweight bout: Denis Stojnic vs. Stefan Struve - Struve by submission
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Rick Story - Story is a major underdog with the oddsmakers for some reason, not sure why as I think he's got the better record
dannyscats
14 Jun 2009, 12:46
very excited about this card i think we are sure to see some big fights that may just shut some critics up
RobbyRoy
14 Jun 2009, 20:14
I didn't watch this one due to it being on at 5am, but from rundowns and gifs here are my thoughts:
-Velasquez was either really good or not very impressive, depending on who you listen to. It sounded like he took Kongo down with ease but didn't show much ascendency as he got mount several times but couldn't finish. That being said, if I was in his position, I wouldn't make any massive risks seeing as Kongo is a big scalp for him, finish or not.
-Wanderlei's clinch wasn't working for him and Franklin was able to control the pace of fight and although on Sherdog a lot of Wanderlei fans think he was robbed, it sounds like a fair enough decision.
-Saunders was just too raw for Swick. His stand up defense wasn't up to scratch, especially against Swick's lighting hand speed.
-Good win for Hardy. He's a real prospect I think, some big wraps on his striking ability.
-Knockout for Cro Cop, but the eye poke will put a question over the victory.
Forrest Gimp
14 Jun 2009, 23:30
Mirko's done a runner to Dream. I guess he wasn't so interested in winning the HW title after all.
edit: Here's Tim Sylvia being knocked out in 9seconds by 48 year-old boxer Ray Mercer. I think Tim's big payday's are over, especially as it looks like he's going to miss the next Affliction with a medical suspension. I guess when you come in weighing over 300 pounds after fighting at much less during you're career, bad things are likely to happen. He went down like a sack of shit...
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Some close fights at UFC 99. I felt Uno should have got the decision over Fisher. Silva vs Franklin was close, could have went either way.
Kongo got dominated on the ground, he offered absolutely nothing for Cain, taken down easily and constantly mounted. Did land about 4 good punches in total at the start of rounds 1 and 2, should have tried to get some distance when he had the chance though and he may have won the fight on his feet Velasquez really should have been able to finish him though.
ROFL @ Tim Syliva. Arrogant knob. Was lucky to be around for the UFC HW divisons weakest era and won fights purely by being bigger than everybody else. I still laugh when I remember him calling out Fedor after beating Gan McGee. You're done, flog.
Forrest Gimp
15 Jun 2009, 18:14
That wasn't even supposed to be an MMA match. It was changed from a boxing match to an MMA fight because of difficulties with the athletic commission.
In the press conference, Tim was calling Mercer a stepping stone in his boxing career, and telling him "too bad" about the rule change even though Tim was the one who called out Mercer for the then proposed boxing match. Mercer said he'll fight Tim, but that Tim would be a pussy if he used MMA rules as that's not was agreed in the first place. Tim then apparantly told Mercer it would be "fists only". The first thing he did was throw a kick (not shown in the vid), and the next getting brutally KO'd. Funny stuff.
GoGoGadget
15 Jun 2009, 22:45
Pretty average card with the exception of the main event.
Rich won it hands down.. He looked like he had been at a day spa after the fight and Silva was a mess.. There were a couple of times in the last round when you saw the Wanderlai of old but I think the cut (both in weight and the one across his nose) hurt him and he was just spent after the first round.. Either that or he is past it.. I think its a combination of both to be honest.
Dan Mirgliotta must be blind.. Seriously. As soon as Cro Cop landed that 'punch' and Al-Turk grabbed his face the way he did, I could see that he had been poked in the eye.. Mirko jumped on him and the fight was stopped.. Cro Cop was never going to lose that fight. Al-Turk sucked against Kongo and I think he was just fed to Mirko by Dana as a way of welcoming him back to the octagon.. Would have much preffered to see Valasquez/Cro Cop.. Doubt we'll be seeing much of Al-Turk any time soon..
Kongo got absolutely owned the entire fight.. He hit Cain with two solid punches and Cain just shook it off and took him down like he was a welterweight.. Rogan said that the fight really highlighted Kongo's weakness on the ground as Valasquez got his back and the mount about 4 times each.. But really, considering Cain had the mount and the back so often, why couldn't he finish it? He slapped on a half-assed rear naked but never looked like finishing.. The closest the fight came to an early finish was at the start of rounds one and two when Kongo nailed him..
Bring on Mir/Lesnar II, GSP/Alves and Bisping/Hendo...
I thought Wand won the fight but he was a bit gunshy the few times he hurt Rich and that probably cost him in the judges' eyes. To be honest I'm just relieved that he wasn't laid out cold again. I think his chin isn't as far gone as many believe, he just needs to keep his hands up. The shots he was knocked out from would have dropped a horse.
Cro Cop's denying that he's signed any contracts but I'd guess he won't stay with the UFC. Bit disappointing after all his talk of wanting to make a run for the title. The extra muscle that he's put on would have helped him from being bullied into the cage by the bigger heavyweights.
Really good showing by Cain even if he didn't finish the fight. His stand-up still needs a bit of work but Kongo's one of the best strikers in the division and he recovered from some huge shots. You can tell Cain's spent his lifetime in training wrestling as he was taking Kongo down when he was all but out on his feet. Kongo's ground game is probably underrated now because it used to be so terrible, Cain couldn't finish him was because Kongo kept active and stopped Cain from bucking up and throwing bombs.
RobbyRoy
16 Jun 2009, 22:20
Bring on Mir/Lesnar II, GSP/Alves and Bisping/Hendo...
I'm predicting all three fights will be decisions :(
Wand lost round 1 and was iffy on winning round 2. Sure he hurt him late but he got taken down straight after. Lost balance and fell like 4 times in the second becasue basically he was gassed out. The third was probably Franklin's. I got no problem with the desicion, and I'm an old PRIDE fanboy. He looked old. He's not literally but he's 'fight' old. These guys only have a certain number of fights in them when they start, and Wand went past his limit about 2 years ago, and it's not like the coach can put him in the forward pocket and get two more seasons out of him. According to Rogan he needed to cut 11 pounds the day before weigh in. WTF is he going to do when he needs to lose another 10? Watching him fight of late makes me sad knowing what he was like in his prime.
Well UFC 99 has come and gone. Seemed to do pretty well with my tips and pretty much every fight went like I thought it might. Firstly though, the judging. Uno was robbed, no doubt. The judging and scoring system used in the UFC is become more and more a joke. Fisher defending almost the entire time, yeah he had probably a few more connecting strikes, but Uno was dictating the fight, being the agressor, was closer to finishing the fight, and I have no doubt would have won the fight should it have continued. He was mounted for over a minute at the end of round 3 dominating positionally and with strikes yet Fisher gets the UD. Crazy! the 10-point must system is just too crude for modern MMA over 3 rounds. Maybe it works in boxing when its 12 or 15 rounds. Its a serious pet peeve. Not only that with this system in place fighters are now evolving to use it. It's all but impossible to win a fight off your back nowdays no matter how much damage or sub attempts you do. They are basically ensuring that the game is dominated by wrestlers employing the rules and judging the way they do. Annoying. Hardy also dominated Davis with damage done, but it was a split decision - WTF?!
Wand in the end probably lost the fight, but again the judging should factor in the relitave strengths of the fighters. Rich no doubt dominated the fight technically, but a fight isn't all about technical point scoring, its about DAMAGE. You could even argue that Rich did the most damage, but the fact that Rich can't TAKE damage should be considered as Wand was definately closer to ending the fight in Rounds 2 & 3. So although rich might be peppering Wand with more shots, 1 good shot from Wand would equal 3 from Rich, and these things need considering. On that basis, the fight was a lot closer than people would think. Rich landing that 'takedown' (which shouldn't be scored) probably sealed it for him in the end. Still Rich did enough to squeak it, I think more Draws should be dished out anyway.
Kongo showed heart but has no ground game at all, I'm 80kg's and I think I could beat Kongo in pure grappling, he really did some white belt mistakes. What amazed me is Cain's inability to finish. He's a prospect but Chirst, lets not go overboard. Goldie's comment that Valasquez was 'taking GnP to a whole new level' made me literally LOL. Talk about UFC hype machine, have he ever seen a Fedor fight?
Struve and Stonic was a bloodbath, classic bloody mess. Loved it. Terry Etims come from behind gutsy win was also really impressive.
Cro Cop? Hmm. Not sure what to think. He was flat footed and looked to lose a lot of speed, but he did look pretty tough and his cage awareness and TD defense looked sharp. IF he stays in the UFC (I hope he does) then it will be interesting to see how he does against the more experienced cage fighters. A rematch with Kongo would be good as would possible rematches with Herring and Nog. Randy vs CC would also be entertaining.
Did anyone notice cro cop taking two swings at a bloke who had his eyes closed, back turned and hands covering his face? AND MISSED THEM BOTH. :)
Did anyone notice cro cop taking two swings at a bloke who had his eyes closed, back turned and hands covering his face? AND MISSED THEM BOTH. :)
So what was him landing shots when his opponent wasn't damaged? Al-Turk was schooled but the fact Crocop can beatdown on him means nothing. He's an average fighter in an average division. Eye poke or no, he wasn't getting out of the first round.
Forrest Gimp
17 Jun 2009, 18:52
I miss old Cro Cop (and Wandy).
RobbyRoy
17 Jun 2009, 20:13
I think more Draws should be dished out anyway.
Fully agree on this. There should be more draws and more 10-10 rounds.
I miss old Cro Cop (and Wandy).
Wand is a strange one i reckon. He got ko'd in UFC before going to Pride, then lost a fight to Arona but never lost the title, then got ko'd badly by CC and Hendo, then came to UFC and had his aura well and truly knocked out of him. But people think he's not the same fighter? I think his main claim to fame was knocking out Rampage, who at the time had issues didn't he?, because in my opinion everyone else he beat there would've been a can level fighter in today's UFC LH div.
CC well what can you say, the ring suits him, the cage he gets mauled by the wrestlers, I dont think that changes no matter what era CC you are missing...
That's coming from a UFC fanboy viewpoint though..;)
Forrest Gimp
18 Jun 2009, 12:45
Wand is a strange one i reckon. He got ko'd in UFC before going to Pride, then lost a fight to Arona but never lost the title, then got ko'd badly by CC and Hendo, then came to UFC and had his aura well and truly knocked out of him. But people think he's not the same fighter? I think his main claim to fame was knocking out Rampage, who at the time had issues didn't he?, because in my opinion everyone else he beat there would've been a can level fighter in today's UFC LH div.
CC well what can you say, the ring suits him, the cage he gets mauled by the wrestlers, I dont think that changes no matter what era CC you are missing...
That's coming from a UFC fanboy viewpoint though..;)
Wandy went through loads of japanese cans that buffed up his record, but he had solid fights in-between them ala Hendo , Rampage, Saku etc, and also fought guys like CC (he hasn't been the same since CC brutally knocked him out, IMO) and Mark Hunt which could only be deemed as freakshow fights considering the weight class differences. He never stepped away from a challenge, that's for sure.
Wand is a strange one i reckon. He got ko'd in UFC before going to Pride, then lost a fight to Arona but never lost the title, then got ko'd badly by CC and Hendo, then came to UFC and had his aura well and truly knocked out of him. But people think he's not the same fighter? I think his main claim to fame was knocking out Rampage, who at the time had issues didn't he?, because in my opinion everyone else he beat there would've been a can level fighter in today's UFC LH div.
CC well what can you say, the ring suits him, the cage he gets mauled by the wrestlers, I dont think that changes no matter what era CC you are missing...
That's coming from a UFC fanboy viewpoint though..;)
I don't know what problems Page was supposed to be having when he fought Wand the first time, he KTFO of Liddell to get to that fight on the same card, GP 2003.
Wand 2003 would kill everyone in the current LHW div with perhaps the exception of the man who currently holds the belt. That man is going to be in the P4P discussions in a few fights.
I think the bigger reason for the drop would be more to do with your original assertions that there may have been a little more in his drink bottle in Japan. Something that they test for in the US of A.
I don't know what problems Page was supposed to be having when he fought Wand the first time, he KTFO of Liddell to get to that fight on the same card, GP 2003.
Wand 2003 would kill everyone in the current LHW div with perhaps the exception of the man who currently holds the belt. That man is going to be in the P4P discussions in a few fights.
I think the bigger reason for the drop would be more to do with your original assertions that there may have been a little more in his drink bottle in Japan. Something that they test for in the US of A.
People used to rave over the Pride tournaments, and the 10min rounds, and how they paid their fighters properly. But the truth is the longer rounds and the tournaments were originally UFC ideas, and paying the fighters so much $$ sent Pride broke.
I just think Pride was surrounded by this great aura, the product of their clever marketing division. Cro cop got absolutely mauled by kongo yet bloody mmaweekly have cro cop ranking 6th heavyweight in the world, with Barnett 2nd, for gods sake what the hell do they base these rankings on? Certainly not recent results.
People used to rave over the Pride tournaments, and the 10min rounds, and how they paid their fighters properly. But the truth is the longer rounds and the tournaments were originally UFC ideas, and paying the fighters so much $$ sent Pride broke.
I just think Pride was surrounded by this great aura, the product of their clever marketing division. Cro cop got absolutely mauled by kongo yet bloody mmaweekly have cro cop ranking 6th heavyweight in the world, with Barnett 2nd, for gods sake what the hell do they base these rankings on? Certainly not recent results.
Mauled? I thought Crocop had Kongo in his pocket untill he wa hit in the nuts( intentionally according to Kongo himself.) PRIDE had the best fighters, and the best rules, and the best shows. Sure the UFC is massive now, but what you are forgetting Deej at the time PRIDE was big the UFC was hosting shows in front of empty halls. Their stars left the organisation in droves and those that didn't want to leave the US Like Shamrock and David Abbott moved to entertainment wrestling. There was no aura, PRIDE was better. the UFC was shit at the time. Thank god for the Silva bros and Dana White. And most of all thank god for the idea of the ultimate fighter. The current UFC is as big as anything PRIDE had back in the day.
Mauled? I thought Crocop had Kongo in his pocket untill he wa hit in the nuts( intentionally according to Kongo himself.) PRIDE had the best fighters, and the best rules, and the best shows. Sure the UFC is massive now, but what you are forgetting Deej at the time PRIDE was big the UFC was hosting shows in front of empty halls. Their stars left the organisation in droves and those that didn't want to leave the US Like Shamrock and David Abbott moved to entertainment wrestling. There was no aura, PRIDE was better. the UFC was shit at the time. Thank god for the Silva bros and Dana White. And most of all thank god for the idea of the ultimate fighter. The current UFC is as big as anything PRIDE had back in the day.
I saw a different fight then, cause i thought cro cop was made to look undersized and one dimensional by kongo.
I know what you're saying but fact is Pride existed because the UFC started something first that we all now love. Pride came and went, maybe the UFC went through a tough period (not neccessarily their own doing remember, it'd be hard to make something work when you are driven out of your home country and forced to hold events in latin america) but at least they survived and are now creating the platforms on which everyone else will be relying on to further their own orgs. The only way Pride was truly innovative was with their brilliant spectacles and entrances.
(i have the pridefc theme song as my ring tone;))
The longer rounds before the UFC, it was a staple of Vale Tudo and Shooto. I'm not sure when 'tournaments' were around though. Perhaps the UFC was the first of it's kind.
The UFC was created by the Gracies who had been competing in Vale Tudo events for years, so really everyone copied someone.
I think you'll find Pride wasn't profitable because there was some shady deals going on behind the scenes, japanese yukuza, etc. Had Pride had a decent businesman in charge like Dana and the Fertitta's, the UFC would have been gobbled up or owned by Pride by now.
Cro Cop didn't get 'absolutely mauled' by Kongo either. He smashed him in the first round and until he got repeatedly kneed to the nuts, he was doing fine. That pretty much changed round 2 & 3. If you watched the 2006 OWGP you'd know that CC's 'aura' was well deserved. He was simply a beast then who would have smashed Kongo in the ring or the cage.
And I think both Pride and the UFC can be guilty of 'clever marketing'. The spin Dana can put on things is pretty impressive. TUF is one big marketting tool :)
I'd agree that Pride fed some of their stars cans to make them look larger than life, but that didn't take away from the awesome match ups that did occur. Also the UFC had there share of gimmicks over it's time too - return of Tank, Shamrock/Tito, Gracie vs Hughes, Lesnar, now Kimbo in TUF etc its the same 'gimmick' just suited to US fans, who are different to Japanese fans.
I love the UFC, but there are definately some things they could take from how Pride did things to make it better. The UFC is great, but it could always be better, although it has the best fighters now, it still hasn't matched the 'golden age' of MMA which was Pride between 2002-2005. Hopefully it will, but it needs to fix a few things first. If they could only get Fedor!!
(i have the pridefc theme song as my ring tone;))
hey that was my idea!! ;)
I thought UFC 99 was a pretty mediocre card on paper and other than the feature fight it wasn't the most entertaining event.
I thought Davis was unlucky not to have gotten a points decision over Hardy, as I thought he won the first two rounds.
Kongo was very disappointing agaisnt Velasquez - just got taken down way too easily. Velasquez is good, but clearly lacks finishing ability.