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Its on this weekend, looking at the card it has some really interesting match us that are hard to pick, so should be a good night of fights.
Main card
Lightweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Clay Guida - This has all the makings of a war. I think Guida wont have the wrestling advantage he usually does and Diego's cardio is always great so I'm picking Deigo by decision or late sub. They only way I could see Guida taking this would be a Hug and Pray decision.
Welterweight Finale bout: DaMarques Johnson vs. James Wilks - DaMarques used to grate on me, but I have warmed to him. Hope he takes the fight for Team USA
Lightweight Finale bout: Andre Winner vs. Ross Pearson - Winner I think is more well rounded and should finish Ross reasonably easy.
Welterweight bout: Chris Lytle vs. Kevin Burns - tough to pick. Lytle by decision.
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Nate Diaz - another difficult one. Diaz has the edge with the grappling IMO, especially his guard, but Joe Daddy has more experience and really needs the win. 50/50, I'm going Stevenson as a bit of an upset.
Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Melvin Guillard vs. Gleison Tibau - suprised this is on the prelims but I guess there is no other room. Haven't seen Guillard for a while. Gleison by Sub I'd say.
Welterweight bout: Brad Blackburn vs. Edgar Garcia - Thought Blackburn should have lost last time vs Chonan, I'm picking Garcia.
Light Heavyweight bout: Mike Ciesnolevicz vs. Tomasz Drwal - Close one. I think Ciesnolevicz has the edge, unless it's a quick KO from Drwal. Ciesnolevicz by Decision.
Welterweight bout: Nick Osipczak vs. Frank Lester - Glad Lester got a gig here. Hope to see him in the UFC. Love this guy. Heaps of heart and seems like a top bloke.
Lightweight bout: Jason Dent vs. Cameron Dollar - Dent I think.
red+black
20 Jun 2009, 16:50
Fuel TV (516) 11am to 2pm Sunday.
Typical that this is the one Sunday in a million years that I have to be somewhere :rolleyes:
Thankfully replayed at Sunday 7:30pm and Monday 1pm but it's 2 hours rather than 3.
HighettBomber
20 Jun 2009, 23:03
Its on this weekend, looking at the card it has some really interesting match us that are hard to pick, so should be a good night of fights.
Main card
Lightweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Clay Guida - This has all the makings of a war. I think Guida wont have the wrestling advantage he usually does and Diego's cardio is always great so I'm picking Deigo by decision or late sub. They only way I could see Guida taking this would be a Hug and Pray decision.
Welterweight Finale bout: DaMarques Johnson vs. James Wilks - DaMarques used to grate on me, but I have warmed to him. Hope he takes the fight for Team USA
Lightweight Finale bout: Andre Winner vs. Ross Pearson - Winner I think is more well rounded and should finish Ross reasonably easy.
Welterweight bout: Chris Lytle vs. Kevin Burns - tough to pick. Lytle by decision.
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Nate Diaz - another difficult one. Diaz has the edge with the grappling IMO, especially his guard, but Joe Daddy has more experience and really needs the win. 50/50, I'm going Stevenson as a bit of an upset.
Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Melvin Guillard vs. Gleison Tibau - suprised this is on the prelims but I guess there is no other room. Haven't seen Guillard for a while. Gleison by Sub I'd say.
Welterweight bout: Brad Blackburn vs. Edgar Garcia - Thought Blackburn should have lost last time vs Chonan, I'm picking Garcia.
Light Heavyweight bout: Mike Ciesnolevicz vs. Tomasz Drwal - Close one. I think Ciesnolevicz has the edge, unless it's a quick KO from Drwal. Ciesnolevicz by Decision.
Welterweight bout: Nick Osipczak vs. Frank Lester - Glad Lester got a gig here. Hope to see him in the UFC. Love this guy. Heaps of heart and seems like a top bloke.
Lightweight bout: Jason Dent vs. Cameron Dollar - Dent I think.
Agree with all your predictions, except Lester v Osipczak. Lester is tough as hell and in good physical condition, but he's not very good at any part of the game. Osipczak should pick him apart on the feet with his reach and will absolutely smash him if it goes to the ground.
I don't know if Nate Diaz id better than Stevenson on the ground, but i don't think there will be a submission in that one unless one of them is pretty damaged first. Stevenson will win because he is a much better wrestler.
TheStinger
21 Jun 2009, 12:17
Pearson rules!!!!!
Go the brickie! Lightweight Champion Woooooooo!
bipolarbeaR
21 Jun 2009, 13:56
OMG!!!!! The Guida v Sanchez fight just ended, man what an amazing, relentless fight. Sanchez dominated the first and guida controlled the next 2 and landed some big shots.
Could this be a draw???
bipolarbeaR
21 Jun 2009, 13:58
Argh! God I hate Diego Sanchez! Little arrogant wang, Guida is the bomb!
quiksilva
21 Jun 2009, 14:01
Awesome final fight! Sanchez landed some big ones early
bipolarbeaR
21 Jun 2009, 14:03
What about that head kick!!?? Who survives that??!
TheStinger
21 Jun 2009, 14:14
I think Diego won that fight because when Guida had him in the rubber guard Diego was doing all the attacking with elbows to the head.
But Guida has a big heart. No wonder he has never been knocked out if he can take a head kick like that AFTER already being rocked by some uppercuts.
That fight and the Lytle v Burns fight, they are giving these away for free! It's craziness. Two of the best fights ever and they were free.
Best performance for mine was James Wilks. Just dominated Johnson, went for crazy submissions, and ended up with a very nice RNC for the win just before the first bell. Beat him on the ground, beat him on their feet, a worthy winner.
No dud fights for the whole card; that's a better card of fights than many a full UFC PPV I've seen. :thumbsu:
TheStinger
21 Jun 2009, 15:10
Best performance for mine was James Wilks. Just dominated Johnson, went for crazy submissions, and ended up with a very nice RNC for the win just before the first bell. Beat him on the ground, beat him on their feet, a worthy winner.
No dud fights for the whole card; that's a better card of fights than many a full UFC PPV I've seen. :thumbsu:
Yeah Wilks came out on fire but props to Johnson for fighting it out for a while. He is as slippery as an eel and Wilks couldn't finish him off. He finally locked in the choke on the third attempt.
Wilks beat him at his own game. Good stuff.
thebaxters
21 Jun 2009, 15:37
Nod. Was good card all round. Anyone else think Pearson was significantly helped in the third by Winner resting on his haunches at the bell?
RobbyRoy
21 Jun 2009, 18:46
Nod. Was good card all round. Anyone else think Pearson was significantly helped in the third by Winner resting on his haunches at the bell?
I thought Winner won that fight. I don't think Pearson will make any waves in the UFC anyway.
Guida vs Sanchez was ****in awesome. Even before they were both in the cage you could tell it was going to be crazy. I agreed with the decision as well.
Nod. Was good card all round. Anyone else think Pearson was significantly helped in the third by Winner resting on his haunches at the bell?
Nah, I thought Pearson outworked him in R2 & R3. R1 was Winner's though.
Jonesy1987
21 Jun 2009, 21:46
Absolutely excellent card, Stevenson vs Diaz first round was awesome, both had guillotines locked in, as much as I hate Diaz to get out of that was sensational. The crucifix was cool as well. Lytle and Burns fight... :thumbsu: Haven't seen someone dripping blood like that since Stevenson v Penn.
The Main Event was great aswell those elbows on from Diego when he was on his back won him the fight for sure. Can't wait for the 100-02 all look scary good.
Not much wrong with what I saw of that card. Loved the Lytel Burns and the Diego Guida fights like everyone else. That's all Guida is now though with that fight, a tough fight for the up and comers of that div. Just holding dudes down is not fighting, Sanchez was a worthy winner. Hopefully Nighmare starts getting considered as a contender. I know he's generally hated but I kind of like the dude. He reminds me of a dude at my BJJ school in apperance and the way he rolls. The dude I know is a legend though so that sort of rubs off on Sanchez for me. Weird, but I like the guy regardless! Hopefully get to see the Joe Daddy Nate Diaz fight today.
Oh yeah:- Suck shit team USA!
Great night of fights. The finale was actually better than UFC 99 in terms of entertainment.
All fights, even though most were decisions were great.
Extremely impressed with Wilks, he'd made a HUGE improvement since the show. Looked a step above Damarques for sure. Very impressed. Although thought Winner probably edged the decision though.
Also goes to show how much takedowns and 'control' is overated in US MMA to the point of being a joke, and is detrimental to the sport. The fact the one of the judges thought that Guida had was won was a disgrace. I'm no huge Sanchez fan but had he lost the fight it would have been the worst robbery in the history of MMA. Its just so rediculous that as long as you are 'on top' you are winning the round, pretty much regardless of damage you take or little damage you give and it doesn't matter how offensive the opponent is from his back. Its a joke. Bring in the scoring system from Japan please.
How Guida even got a round is beyond me. I'd have scored it 30-26, it was an utter beatdown. Yeah Guida is non-stop and is always trying to put the pressure on, but he was dominated everywhere the fight went and hardly laid a damaging blow to Deigo.
Fightmetric, although not perfect, is a far better representation of the fight.
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Sanchez-Guida.html
Other than the stupid scoring, which seems to be a recurring theme recently, the event was awesome.
Agree completely about the main event. I've disagreed with several decisions in the past but I can almost always accept that the winner was deserving. I'm also not really a big Diego fan (unless he's frothing at the mouth and screaming YES!) but I would have been genuinely angry if Guida was given that fight. I can see how Guida could take the fight but that underlines the huge problem in American MMA that being on top in the guard equates to 'winning'. I think the 10-point system used is fine, they just need to improve the criteria used and hammer it in to judges that the guard is effectively a neutral position. Fight itself was incredible though, easily the best fight in the UFC this year.
Really liked the Stevenson/Diaz fight, although Joe was keeping things a bit safe after losing his last two fights. Felt that Lytle vs Burns wasn't as great as Rogan kept telling us but it was decent enough. Problem is that neither guy is ever going to get anywhere in the division.
Can't see Pearson surviving for long in the stacked lightweight division. They'll need to feed him some really low-level guys to get any value out of him. Wilks looked far more impressive and at least seems to have some potential.
Not surprised to see Lester overwhelmed in the prelim, Nick was one of the few fighters who stood out to me this season.
Not surprised to see Lester overwhelmed in the prelim, Nick was one of the few fighters who stood out to me this season.
Yeah that was a hail mary tip from the heart. Lester was endearing because he seems like a nice guy and showed a lot of heart in the show fighting 5 times in six weeks and busting his teeth and all that.
Nick was legit though. Looks like the UK team had it all over the Americans in the end.
Hopefully Hendo can level the wager a little though...
RobbyRoy
22 Jun 2009, 20:24
Loved Diego's "YES! YES! YES!" stuff. He's a strange guy but he keeps me entertained.
I thought Winner won that fight. I don't think Pearson will make any waves in the UFC anyway.
Guida vs Sanchez was ****in awesome. Even before they were both in the cage you could tell it was going to be crazy. I agreed with the decision as well.
Give him a few years with Wolfs Lair, he'll be an animal
Give him a few years with Wolfs Lair, he'll be an animal
Why?
thebaxters
24 Jun 2009, 04:01
Nah, I thought Pearson outworked him in R2 & R3. R1 was Winner's though.
I had it close in that last, could easily have gone 29-28. Dunno, just got the feeling that a single judge might have been influenced by that final vision of winner exhausted... enough to tip it from a drawn round to 10-9.
Why?
Why What?
You must either think the dude is just an average run of the mill brawler, or you expect him to have a tilt at a belt within a year.
The fight was a split decision that coulda went either way, I remember Forrest looked like your average run of the mill brawler, look what he did when he trained fulltime for a few years.
Why What?
You must either think the dude is just an average run of the mill brawler, or you expect him to have a tilt at a belt within a year.
The fight was a split decision that coulda went either way, I remember Forrest looked like your average run of the mill brawler, look what he did when he trained fulltime for a few years.
Nah, I just wanna know why Wolfslair is going to make him any better.
Nah, I just wanna know why Wolfslair is going to make him any better.
Well obviously he's gonna get better training full time now, he's surrounded himself around some pretty good fighters too, thats If he does go there, but Im pretty sure bis will invite him in, so really Its a no brainer he'll be a better fighter.
Well obviously he's gonna get better training full time now, he's surrounded himself around some pretty good fighters too, thats If he does go there, but Im pretty sure bis will invite him in, so really Its a no brainer he'll be a better fighter.
Yeah no brainer he will be a better fighter training full time. I just don't think wolfslair is the greatest gym in the world is all.
Why What?
You must either think the dude is just an average run of the mill brawler, or you expect him to have a tilt at a belt within a year.
The fight was a split decision that coulda went either way, I remember Forrest looked like your average run of the mill brawler, look what he did when he trained fulltime for a few years.
I gotta agree with Drew, I cant see him doing that much TBH. Might get a couple of wins against low-teir lightweights.
He isn't another Forrest, the first season of TUF had some of the BEST up and coming talent in the US. Talent now is fairly thin. Forrest beat all that good talent as well has having some fights against quality opposition prior to TUF, the likes of Ebenezer Fontes Braga, Chael Sonnen, Jeremy Horn, Travis Fulton, Jeff Monson, hell Forrest's FIRST mma fight was Dan Severn FFS, and it went to decision!
You could see the quality Forrest had from the get go. Plus he's a HUGE LHW.
We'll see I guess.
I gotta agree with Drew, I cant see him doing that much TBH. Might get a couple of wins against low-teir lightweights.
He isn't another Forrest, the first season of TUF had some of the BEST up and coming talent in the US. Talent now is fairly thin. Forrest beat all that good talent as well has having some fights against quality opposition prior to TUF, the likes of Ebenezer Fontes Braga, Chael Sonnen, Jeremy Horn, Travis Fulton, Jeff Monson, hell Forrest's FIRST mma fight was Dan Severn FFS, and it went to decision!
You could see the quality Forrest had from the get go. Plus he's a HUGE LHW.
We'll see I guess.
I never said he would be a title contender, Just alot better than he is now, where he takes this Is up to him, Yea Forrest Is one of the better TUF alumni's and hes been on record saying hes not a skilled fighter, just a dog, which Is why I said Forrest, because he's living proof you dont have to be the worlds best striker/grappler to win the strap.
Yeah agree with that - haha, UFC Undisputed seems to play that "I'm just a dog. I fight! Period!" sound bite a lot :)
RobbyRoy
26 Jun 2009, 18:24
Forrest was still better than Pearson is in every area.
Forrest was still better than Pearson is in every area.
haha, of course he Is, I said pearson will be a better fighter after winng TUF nothing more nothing less.
Yeah agree with that - haha, UFC Undisputed seems to play that "I'm just a dog. I fight! Period!" sound bite a lot :)
haha thats where I heard it knew someone would pick it out
RobbyRoy
27 Jun 2009, 18:30
haha, of course he Is, I said pearson will be a better fighter after winng TUF nothing more nothing less.
Yeh no worries. I just thought the two were being compared.
To be honest, I did think much more of Bisping when he won than I do of Pearson now. He's raw, but it's all upside.