View Full Version : Cosgrove should be in contention for number 6
fraser25
28 Jun 2009, 04:30
After some drawn out stubborness by the South Aus selectors he fought his way back into the Redbacks at the end of the season. He scored two centuries in two matches and has since scored at least three or four in the start county season in England.
It wouldn't surprise me to see him replace one of the guys already in the squad if they were to prove themselves not up to it with form or fitness. He's young, talented and improving, and playing well in English conditions who cares about his weight. He's the logical next cab off the rank for mine. Boldness has paid off for the Aussie selectors in recent times with the inclusions of Hughes and Siddle and others, I hope they continue this trend.
His FC record is also far superior to the other supposed contender Callum Ferguson. Cosgrove has scored 11 centuries in 63 matches at an ave of 41.39. Compared with Callum's 4 centuries in 45 matches at an ave of 35.45.
edit: Has a broken finger I believe, so scratch all this but should remain in the picture.
year of the roo
28 Jun 2009, 08:33
Worst thread ever.
courtjester
28 Jun 2009, 09:17
Worst thread ever.
Why? It's a valid point. Cosgrove does have a better FC record than Ferguson.
I think North has made the spot his own for at least the Ashes. But I don't see why starting a thread about a guy in contention is the 'worst thread ever'.
Cousin Jed
28 Jun 2009, 10:23
Why? It's a valid point. Cosgrove does have a better FC record than Ferguson.
Ferguson isn't in the squad either.
Chris25
28 Jun 2009, 13:07
If anything happens to one of the batsmen, then he would have to be a chance to be a replacement. In 5 County matches, he is averaging 72.5 with 2 hundreds. So if form in English conditions means anything, he would have to be a shot.
Realistically he isn't a chance, but if he can continue his form over the upcoming season with the Redbacks, then it wouldn't surprise to see him being next in line. Whether it be in the middle order or opening the batting (which he is doing at Glamorgan).
Blue Dimension
28 Jun 2009, 14:52
If he has a good season he may well put himself in contention for the spot. His fitness however will be an issue, well it always has been. Needs to show dedication and put the runs on the board.
Mind you, with the current lack of big hitters in the Australian ODI team (and retirement of Andrew Symonds), he may very well be a chance for the shorter forms if he can really stamp his authority in the forthcoming domestic season.
fraser25
28 Jun 2009, 15:45
Why? It's a valid point. Cosgrove does have a better FC record than Ferguson.
I think North has made the spot his own for at least the Ashes. But I don't see why starting a thread about a guy in contention is the 'worst thread ever'.
I'm not yet sold on North, I don't like his technique, I think no. 6 spot could be a problem child for us this Ashes
Can anyone tell me why Dave Hussey isn't in the Aus A squad and is in Nottinghamshire? He's not much older than Voges who is playing for Aus A
Can anyone tell me why Dave Hussey isn't in the Aus A squad and is in Nottinghamshire? He's not much older than Voges who is playing for Aus A
Hussey is replacing Voges in the county stint
http://www.cricinfo.com/countycricket2009/content/story/409603.html
fraser25
28 Jun 2009, 21:26
I was asking why he was overlooked for Aus A. Perhaps because of his age or that they know what he can do or that they only consider him a candidate for the short form of the game. I'm starting to think he might actually be more suited to the long form as a bit of a game changer like Symonds was at 6.
Mr_Smooth
29 Jun 2009, 10:30
maybe he needs to stop eating pies to be a cricketer at a near national level..
courtjester
29 Jun 2009, 15:15
maybe he needs to stop eating pies to be a cricketer at a near national level..
Never worrried Boony or Doug Walters.
Poz_Utd_V.2
29 Jun 2009, 19:13
Never worrried Boony or Doug Walters.
In todays game you need 11 blokes who can all contribute in the field.
Australia paticluary pride themselves on their fitness and fielding, if you look like a fat s*** like Cosgrove does then he has no chance to even be considered for selcetion in any format.
Besides cosgrove has no ambition or desire to succeed at the highest level so why should he be given the oppourtunity? His quite happy to play local district cricket in SA, train twice a week and eat whatever he likes. If thats what makes him happy then he should stay there. Each to their own.
Much rather see Ferguson then Cosgrove.
Chris25
29 Jun 2009, 20:45
I was wondering how long it would be until someone brought out the old unfit and lazy argument. Suffice to say I haven't been disappointed.
Yes, he is quite big and he isn't as fit as others. But, he isn't exactly unfit either. His size doesn't affect his batting, and he is a more than handy bowler. And he is becoming a very good slip fielder. Fitness never worried Warne, he just stood at slip all day and every now and then would move somewhere else inside the circle.
And for a guy who is so lazy and just happy to play at his local club, a trip to England to play county cricket sure is odd. And he sure wasn't happy about playing club cricket last season, he definitely wanted to be back in the Redbacks team.
Cosgrove has more talent than any other young batsman in Australia, with the possible exception of Hughes. And unless his size actually stops him from scoring runs, then it shouldn't be an issue.
Who would win in a sprint between Cosgrove and Jesse Ryder?
DoubleO7
30 Jun 2009, 00:43
Who would win in a sprint between Cosgrove and Jesse Ryder?
I LOL'ed!
Jesse Ryder is easily the better player: better batsmen, better fieldsmen and the better bowler.
Prove me wrong.
:)
courtjester
30 Jun 2009, 05:34
In todays game you need 11 blokes who can all contribute in the field.
Australia paticluary pride themselves on their fitness and fielding, if you look like a fat s*** like Cosgrove does then he has no chance to even be considered for selcetion in any format.
Besides cosgrove has no ambition or desire to succeed at the highest level so why should he be given the oppourtunity? His quite happy to play local district cricket in SA, train twice a week and eat whatever he likes. If thats what makes him happy then he should stay there. Each to their own.
Much rather see Ferguson then Cosgrove.
What a crock.
Cossie!??! FFS, the bloke is a useless fat plonka who can barely keep his spot in the worst team in Australian FC cricket and people are calling for him to be in the Test XI!??!
I mean look at him:
http://www.cricketarchive.co.uk/pictures/8/8973.jpg
He's a freaking gimp.
RangaInTeal
30 Jun 2009, 12:27
I'm not yet sold on North, I don't like his technique, I think no. 6 spot could be a problem child for us this Ashes
Can anyone tell me why Dave Hussey isn't in the Aus A squad and is in Nottinghamshire? He's not much older than Voges who is playing for Aus A
You say North's Technique is no good yet want David Hussey... He is just a lug with a lump of wood, not a batter, just great hand eye co-ordination similar to Pakistan cricketers
Chris25
30 Jun 2009, 12:46
Jesse Ryder is easily the better player: better batsmen, better fieldsmen and the better bowler.
Personally I'd take Cosgrove.
I really like Ryder, and he has had a great start to his international career. But in my opinion, Cosgrove's best is better than Ryder's. It's just a matter of him getting back to his best form, and his form at the end of last season and in County cricket at the moment, would suggest that he is back.
Ryder would have Cossie covered in bowling though, but that's really only because Cosgrove doesn't bowl enough. Cosgrove has a great yorker, and it's just a matter of throwing him the ball more often.
And VoR, I'm guessing from your post that you know nothing of Cosgrove's talent and have only seen photos of him. And you might want to reconsider who the worst team in Australian domestic cricket is.
What a joke of a thread.
The lazy fat **** cannot get a regular game for SA when their performances were so bad that relegation to NZ domestic cricket was deserved, and now he is lauded as a test number 6. Laughable.
Blind man Freddy knows has undoubted talent but his poor work ethic, lack of professionalism and bad attitude mean he rarely gets results. I feel for SACA though, they have tried tackling his issues from virtually every possible angle but he continues to march to his own lazy tune.
Lets see him lose some weight, get fit, then play a couple of really good consistent domestic seasons first... then if he has the runs on the board we can start talking possible national selection.
Poz_Utd_V.2
30 Jun 2009, 17:19
I was wondering how long it would be until someone brought out the old unfit and lazy argument. Suffice to say I haven't been disappointed.
Yes, he is quite big and he isn't as fit as others. But, he isn't exactly unfit either. His size doesn't affect his batting, and he is a more than handy bowler. And he is becoming a very good slip fielder. Fitness never worried Warne, he just stood at slip all day and every now and then would move somewhere else inside the circle.
And for a guy who is so lazy and just happy to play at his local club, a trip to England to play county cricket sure is odd. And he sure wasn't happy about playing club cricket last season, he definitely wanted to be back in the Redbacks team.
Cosgrove has more talent than any other young batsman in Australia, with the possible exception of Hughes. And unless his size actually stops him from scoring runs, then it shouldn't be an issue.
The difference between Warne and Cosgrove is... Well Warne is one of Australia's greatest ever players so you can sort of afford to 'carry' him knowing full well he will regulary win you games with his bowling.
I'm not doubting his talent. He has great talent, I have seen him bat he is a great batsmen.
I never said he didn't want too play county or for the Redbacks, I said he is happy to play district cricket in SA. Obviously if the oppourtunity comes up he is not going to knock it back. Hell if Tim Nielson called you tommorro and told you your country needs you come to England now, would you go? Of course you would, this doesn't change the fact I'm pretty sure your ambition and desrie to play for Australia is minimal to non-existent.
My point is Cosgrove hasn't got the ambition, if he did he would get into shape and into the selectors minds for selection.
Yes his size is an issue, when Australia prides themsleves on fitness and fielding it becomes an issue.
Poz_Utd_V.2
30 Jun 2009, 17:21
What a crock.
Yeah you make a good case, let the fat bastard in the side his played a good what?, half a season at state team. :rolleyes:
Poz_Utd_V.2
30 Jun 2009, 17:23
Lets see him lose some weight, get fit, then play a couple of really good consistent domestic seasons first... then if he has the runs on the board we can start talking possible national selection.
:thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:
If this were to happen then by all means he deserves the oppurtunity.
Chris25
30 Jun 2009, 17:47
First off I don't think anyone is actually saying he deserves a spot on the Ashes tour. The OP merely suggested that if anything were to happen to one of the players, considering his good form, Cosgrove could provide cover.
The way I figure it, if Cosgrove's form deserves selection then that would suggest that his size is not affecting his performances. And as long as it isn't causing a problem, I don't see why it should be an issue. If he is unable to run between the wickets or field, then there would be a big problem. But that is not even close to being true.
And VoR, I'm guessing from your post that you know nothing of Cosgrove's talent and have only seen photos of him. And you might want to reconsider who the worst team in Australian domestic cricket is.
...snigger...
So you follow the Dorks and live in Adelaide...wow, fate sure has dealt you a dud hand, eh fella?
Cousin Jed
30 Jun 2009, 18:21
Yeah yeah keep the personal stuff out of it please.
You don't know from fun...
King Elvis
30 Jun 2009, 19:58
I was wondering how long it would be until someone brought out the old unfit and lazy argument. Suffice to say I haven't been disappointed.
Yes, he is quite big and he isn't as fit as others. But, he isn't exactly unfit either. His size doesn't affect his batting, and he is a more than handy bowler. And he is becoming a very good slip fielder. Fitness never worried Warne, he just stood at slip all day and every now and then would move somewhere else inside the circle.
And for a guy who is so lazy and just happy to play at his local club, a trip to England to play county cricket sure is odd. And he sure wasn't happy about playing club cricket last season, he definitely wanted to be back in the Redbacks team.
Cosgrove has more talent than any other young batsman in Australia, with the possible exception of Hughes. And unless his size actually stops him from scoring runs, then it shouldn't be an issue.
He's not Shane Warne.
No doubt about his talent, but his attitude, at least a couple of years ago, was a ****ing disgrace, and there is no way in hell they'd tolerate him in the Australian side.
If he's grown up and realised he isn't God's gift to the world, then hopefully he can end up in the Baggy Green.
fraser25
1 Jul 2009, 05:42
D. Huss scored 126 off 145 for Notts in the CC D1.
courtjester
1 Jul 2009, 09:54
Yeah you make a good case, let the fat bastard in the side his played a good what?, half a season at state team. :rolleyes:
The crock is you making character judgements about his desire which are nothing more than speculation.
Why is it that the only people who support the fat plonka are from Adelaide?
King Elvis
1 Jul 2009, 14:01
The crock is you making character judgements about his desire which are nothing more than speculation.
How is it speculation?
He lacks desire - otherwise, he'd get his act together and start repaying the faith, time and money that people have shown him.
His attitude, as I said - unless it's changed recently, it's absolutely shithouse, most people who've had the pleasure of meeting him in Adelaide, especially when he's out on the piss (which he used to be constantly) will tell you what a tosser he is.
Poz_Utd_V.2
1 Jul 2009, 19:31
The crock is you making character judgements about his desire which are nothing more than speculation.
I'm pretty confident my charcter judgement is on the money here in this situation.
If Cosgrove REALLY wanted to get the absolute best out of himself as a cricketer he would lose enough weight to be at an ideal playing weight. Agree or Not??
The fact he hasn't shows his lack of desire and ambition to get to the very top.
And as I said thats his choice to make, no-one else's. For all we know he could be quite happy the way he is and the level his playing at. Good luck to him if that is the case :thumbsu: Whatever makes you happy I suppose.
Just don't expect any free rides in the Australian side, which I'm sure his realised he won't be getting looking the way he does.
If Cosgrove REALLY wanted to get the absolute best out of himself as a cricketer he would lose enough weight to be at an ideal playing weight. Agree or Not??
I wasn't aware that there was one ideal weight for every person. Lehmann, Ryder, Warne and Inzamam have all done pretty well, despite I assume not being at this ideal playing weight.
The only thing that should matter is how he is performing. If he does well this season, then I daresay it will be a fairly good indication that he is putting in the work needed and does have the desire. If he doesn't perform, then there will need to be a change.
Ogrebait
2 Jul 2009, 02:16
Who would win in a sprint between Cosgrove and Jesse Ryder?
Depends what they are racing for.
If it was a bottle of Jack Daniels - Ryder's the man.
But if there was a jam donut at the end of the line, Cosgrove would summon up the will to win.
Poz_Utd_V.2
2 Jul 2009, 15:56
I wasn't aware that there was one ideal weight for every person. Lehmann, Ryder, Warne and Inzamam have all done pretty well, despite I assume not being at this ideal playing weight.
The only thing that should matter is how he is performing. If he does well this season, then I daresay it will be a fairly good indication that he is putting in the work needed and does have the desire. If he doesn't perform, then there will need to be a change.
Are you serious?
Yes Lehmann, Ryder, Warne and Inzamam were all overweight throughout their careers and it didn't/hasn't stopped them.
Cosgrove though doesn't fall into this catergory.
Wanna know why?
The man is not overweight the man is obese theres a massive difference (pun intended).
And just becuase he scores runs doesn't indicate he is putting in the work or he has more desire. He has talent and he can score runs looking the way he does. How ever his weight makes him a liability in the field.
As I have said a million times in this thread-:
IF HE HAD DESIRE AND AMBITION TO PLAY CRICKET FOR AUSTRALIA HE WOULD LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the bottome line.
aussie1st
2 Jul 2009, 16:38
As crazy as OP sounds he is on to something. After Hodge and Dussey, I would consider Cosgrove next in line. Obviously you could make a case for Rogers but he only really covers the opening spot whereas Cosgrove can cover every spot. Cosgrove has performed in this years County cricket and has experience over here.
dan warna
2 Jul 2009, 18:09
cosgrove, the danny buckingham of SA cricket.
POZ::::::IF HE HAD DESIRE AND AMBITION TO PLAY CRICKET FOR AUSTRALIA HE WOULD LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the bottome line.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS ..that SACA have never assisted him ,, quite the opposite, when ever they SACA have had the chance to promote him they have belittled, villified and isolated him ,,,, they have had cosgrove since he was in jnr ranks and have never given him any credit for his cricketing skills ..they,SACA, always seem to use him as a scapegoat for any player misdomeaners,,or management shortcomings......when you are constantly being beaten mentally and emotionally (by SACA),its a wonder that he his still playing cricket,,,because this animousity comes from his own state..its amazing that when he plays anywhere else ,,there dos'nt seem to be an issue
After some drawn out stubborness by the South Aus selectors he fought his way back into the Redbacks at the end of the season. He scored two centuries in two matches and has since scored at least three or four in the start county season in England.
It wouldn't surprise me to see him replace one of the guys already in the squad if they were to prove themselves not up to it with form or fitness. He's young, talented and improving, and playing well in English conditions who cares about his weight. He's the logical next cab off the rank for mine. Boldness has paid off for the Aussie selectors in recent times with the inclusions of Hughes and Siddle and others, I hope they continue this trend.
His FC record is also far superior to the other supposed contender Callum Ferguson. Cosgrove has scored 11 centuries in 63 matches at an ave of 41.39. Compared with Callum's 4 centuries in 45 matches at an ave of 35.45.
edit: Has a broken finger I believe, so scratch all this but should remain in the picture.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Kt2W4Fqk-i4/Saeq2UQb7BI/AAAAAAAAAHk/hGX3ll0SXv0/s400/srsly-40514.jpg
Poz_Utd_V.2
2 Jul 2009, 21:44
POZ::::::IF HE HAD DESIRE AND AMBITION TO PLAY CRICKET FOR AUSTRALIA HE WOULD LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the bottome line.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS ..that SACA have never assisted him ,, quite the opposite, when ever they SACA have had the chance to promote him they have belittled, villified and isolated him ,,,, they have had cosgrove since he was in jnr ranks and have never given him any credit for his cricketing skills ..they,SACA, always seem to use him as a scapegoat for any player misdomeaners,,or management shortcomings......when you are constantly being beaten mentally and emotionally (by SACA),its a wonder that he his still playing cricket,,,because this animousity comes from his own state..its amazing that when he plays anywhere else ,,there dos'nt seem to be an issue
Look I have no idea if what you said is true or full of s***.
If it is the case move states then.....
courtjester
3 Jul 2009, 10:28
POZ::::::IF HE HAD DESIRE AND AMBITION TO PLAY CRICKET FOR AUSTRALIA HE WOULD LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the bottome line.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS ..that SACA have never assisted him ,, quite the opposite, when ever they SACA have had the chance to promote him they have belittled, villified and isolated him ,,,, they have had cosgrove since he was in jnr ranks and have never given him any credit for his cricketing skills ..they,SACA, always seem to use him as a scapegoat for any player misdomeaners,,or management shortcomings......when you are constantly being beaten mentally and emotionally (by SACA),its a wonder that he his still playing cricket,,,because this animousity comes from his own state..its amazing that when he plays anywhere else ,,there dos'nt seem to be an issue
And we welcome Mrs Cosgrave to the BigFooty Cricket Boards...
King Elvis
4 Jul 2009, 00:21
POZ::::::IF HE HAD DESIRE AND AMBITION TO PLAY CRICKET FOR AUSTRALIA HE WOULD LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the bottome line.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS ..that SACA have never assisted him ,, quite the opposite, when ever they SACA have had the chance to promote him they have belittled, villified and isolated him ,,,, they have had cosgrove since he was in jnr ranks and have never given him any credit for his cricketing skills ..they,SACA, always seem to use him as a scapegoat for any player misdomeaners,,or management shortcomings......when you are constantly being beaten mentally and emotionally (by SACA),its a wonder that he his still playing cricket,,,because this animousity comes from his own state..its amazing that when he plays anywhere else ,,there dos'nt seem to be an issue
Yea, they never even gave him a chance!!
All those opportunities and support they gave him, and all the help they gave him time and time again was just pretend - WANKERS!!
Carl Spackler
4 Jul 2009, 12:15
IF HE HAD DESIRE AND AMBITION TO PLAY CRICKET FOR AUSTRALIA HE WOULD LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats the bottome line.
The bottom line is that Cosgrove doesn't respect the opinions of those selecting and coaching the teams.
Cosgrove believes that it doesn't matter how fit or unfit you are, all that matters is how many runs you make. That is his core belief. He's a batsman. His job is to make runs.
Even though everyone outside of his inner circle knows that he won't get picked higher unless he gets fit, within his inner circle the belief is still that if you make enough runs they will have to pick you. Cosgrove believes this wholeheartedly and his pinhead mates and family are 'enablers' who allow him to continue with this attitude.
Whether he agrees with the selectors or not, the bottom line is that he will not get picked as high as his talent warrants unless he gets fit. Whether Cosgrove is right - that a fat batsmen who makes a ton of runs is worth his spot in the team regardless of fitness - is irrelevent. The selectors/coaches believe this and that is all that counts.
CA and the SACA have invested significant dollars into trainers, nutritionists, pilates instructors, fitness programs, benchmark standards for players... they are never going to throw all this out the window and admit that runs are all that really counts. They have based their coaching philosophy on the principle that being fit will help you perform well. Every time he gets a reprieve at state level and makes runs it embarrasses them and undermines their authority.
speedytiger
4 Jul 2009, 19:43
Cosgrove in contention for number 6? Number 6 at the chinese restauant maybe. And number 4, 7, 12, 15....
happy_eagle
4 Jul 2009, 23:22
D. Huss scored 126 off 145 for Notts in the CC D1.
Exactly, its not hard to make runs in county cricket
Everyone does it