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Has it been a good thing that David Hille went down with his ACL Injury?
Would we have seen what Ryder can do in the ruck?
Would we have seen what Cale Hooker can do?
As much i would LOVE to have David Hille in the team???
has it been a good thing he went down?
Longy413
28 Jun 2009, 21:25
It's not a good thing, but there's a big positive in the negative.
Much like when Watson went down and Hocking/Lonergan stepped up.
It's not a good thing, but there's a big positive in the negative.
Much like when Watson went down and Hocking/Lonergan stepped up.
sorry that's prob would i should of said..but you can see where im coming from
at the eagles when m.gardiner went down with a knee injury dean cox emerged. the same thing is happening here.
Donakebab
28 Jun 2009, 23:01
Any team that is forced to test their depth can and should take some positives from it. We've been extremely lucky that we have had many players step up so well when they have needed too, not only Ryder and Hooker, but Dyson, Lonergan, Hocking, Pears, Slatts, etc...
its a test of character. ryder has had to step up to the plate with people questioning what all the hype was about.
in adversity is when you see true champions
Call Me Cake
29 Jun 2009, 03:49
I miss Hille, and I really can't wait until he comes back.
Having said that I think Ryder has been terrific. And a Hille/Ryder combo next year is mouth watering.
Ben the Gooner
29 Jun 2009, 08:42
Not a good thing in and of itself, but cloud, silver lining etc.
How many threads do we need on this topic?
Ryder would of been thrown into the ruck next year so it just pushed that development forward.
We would really love Hille back, it would strenghen up our chances for finals.
How many threads do we need on this topic?Last time I checked, about five. It's too hard to merge them, too, as they all have bizarre headings such as this.
EVERLAST
29 Jun 2009, 11:43
It'll test his endurance though - season still only half way through if we make the finals. Definitely a positive but would kill for a back up ruckman against the Dogs with Hudson and Minson looming. This kid can only take so much in one game.
mark1881
29 Jun 2009, 11:45
Last year's injuries "deserve some credit" when you look at things. Guys like Hocking, Dyson, Lonergan, Remiers and co are performing well now because last year they got games under their belts. This year was much the same.
Having Prismall, McVeigh and Welsh injured has meant Hocking, Dyson and Lonergan played through the middle. There fitness is at 100% and now that the injured players are back some pressure is off the younger guys and they have a fitness base to help them in other roles on the ground.
Just queitly, I think having Gumbleton come into a pretty well performing side will be a huge plus for him. It will take the pressure off for him to be the so-called saviour of our club.
Valve Bounce
29 Jun 2009, 14:47
Has it been a good thing that David Hille went down with his ACL Injury?
Would we have seen what Ryder can do in the ruck?
Would we have seen what Cale Hooker can do?
As much i would LOVE to have David Hille in the team???
has it been a good thing he went down?
Don't be silly. If Hille had rolled his ankle, maybe! but never, never wish a good thing on anyone who injured an ACL.
Mad Bomber Sean
29 Jun 2009, 15:02
It is never a good thing when such a vital player goes down with such a serious injury.
Me thinks with Hille going down - without Ryder, we would have been well and truly gone.
After ACL surgery, many players struggle to rediscover there old form. I hope to god that this is not the case in Hillie's case...
As pointed out, it does force us to make changes and provides new opportunities for other players to establish themselves. Ryder has killed em, Hooker has shown us he can play.
Colin D'Cops
29 Jun 2009, 15:08
Definitely not. If we make finals, it'll make it very tough for Ryder & Bellchambers to stand up to some great ruck combinations.
Call Me Cake
29 Jun 2009, 15:44
If we make finals, it'll make it very tough for Ryder & Bellchambers to stand up to some great ruck combinations.
Finishing in the 8 is an achievement in itself for Ryder's confidence as a ruckman.
With Hille's injury, Ryder has proven to be a likely star. Thus next year when we are expected to be a serious finals threat, a Hille/Ryder rucking combo will only instill fear among the opposition.
bOmBeR_BoY1
29 Jun 2009, 15:56
The Hille/Ryder ruck combination will be mouth watering prospect in future years. People seem to forget Hille is still in the prime of his career - his injury would of been shattering but there is still ample time for him to come back and have a massive impact in our progress in the next few years.
His loss in the short term has/will continue to hurt - he may of been that difference we needed in a close game or two this year, namely the game against the Crows. There have been periods of play this year when Ryder has been rested from rucking duties during games that have given our opposition some significant advantage around the ground. In the long term however, when Hille does return, this year is going to be a defining one in the career of Ryder.
Is anyone else not expecting Hille to reach the form that he did last season ever again?
Sam the RAMA fan
29 Jun 2009, 16:42
It is never a good thing when such a vital player goes down with such a serious injury.
Me thinks with Hille going down - without Ryder, we would have been well and truly gone.
After ACL surgery, many players struggle to rediscover there old form. I hope to god that this is not the case in Hillie's case...
As pointed out, it does force us to make changes and provides new opportunities for other players to establish themselves. Ryder has killed em, Hooker has shown us he can play.
Very true.
I do look forward to seeing the big man back next season. :thumbsu:
resurrector
29 Jun 2009, 17:44
yeah i just hope the reco doesnt hold him back. although he's highly skilled, i always thought hille was a bit of a lumbering type of mover...natural given his size, but i just hope he can come back with a good amount of freedom in his running game
greenlight
29 Jun 2009, 19:16
Has it been a good thing that David Hille went down with his ACL Injury?
Would we have seen what Ryder can do in the ruck?
Would we have seen what Cale Hooker can do?
As much i would LOVE to have David Hille in the team???
has it been a good thing he went down?
never a good thing but knights has bought the positives out of it...if hille recovers...thre will be some great things come out of it....ryder,watson,ect ect
Colin D'Cops
29 Jun 2009, 20:23
Finishing in the 8 is an achievement in itself for Ryder's confidence as a ruckman..
It is an achievement, but us Bomber fans should expect more than that! Probably a little hopeful, but I think we can beat any team at our best besides Geelong and St Kilda at the moment.
dougthelegend
29 Jun 2009, 20:35
Its never a good thing when such a vital player like Hille goes down with a season-ending injury.
However, that being said, it has allowed us to try a few different combinations that we may not have tried, and has also seen the rise and rise of Ryder - which, nobody can deny is a terrific thing for the club.
Hooker and Pears development has also been terrific, and on the whole, things are finally looking up again for us...if we can get some games into these fringe youngsters, we are looking good once again!
snowball
29 Jun 2009, 22:09
Questions Laycocks position on the list now though
With Hille going down it just shows how strong our ruck will be in the future.
The interesting question is where Bells and Laycock fit into the side now.
Hooker had his best game against Carlton in my opinion. If he keeps it up then its going to be hard to fit those boys in.
Colin D'Cops
30 Jun 2009, 00:36
Questions Laycocks position on the list now though
The interesting question is where Bells and Laycock fit into the side now.
Laycock's an interesting one. If he would like a move or we wanted him to pack his bags sooner rather than later, Sydney might be an option that could come into play in a year or twos time. He's under contract for next year I believe, but his spot on the list might be a little doubtful beyond that point. Baz Hall might have done his dash for Sydney now and may have no choice but too pack his bags in the near future. Darren Jolly isn't getting any younger, and there's no guarentee White or Pyke will cut the mustard. So a ruckman come forward, might look attractive to a club like the Swans.
Is anyone else not expecting Hille to reach the form that he did last season ever again?
I am (not expecting him to find that form again that is). In fact I've always thought Hille would have made a better forward than ruckman (perhaps a bit unfortunate for him he came to Essendon with the dominating duo of Lloyd and Lucas?). As a forward he has great athleticism for a big guy (and at 110kg or so he is big) but he is also a great contested mark which means that he can take them on the lead or in the square on his head (ok, that won't always work out but he is good standing still, wrestling overhead). As a ruckman he has always been inconsistent, although last year I had hoped he had done the ruckman thing and bloomed with age, but the start of this year was poor. Add to that his actual tap work has always been average, it was merely his around the ground work that compensated.
In fact if Lucas retired at the end of this year (the most likely to go this year between our two aging forwards, if one does go) I'd like to see Hille play predominantly as a forward and sometimes giving Paddy relief from the ruck, I think that could work well.