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In: McVeigh, Watson, Hurley
Out: Hooker, Dyson/Skipworth, Monfries (inj?)
Obviously with Hooker out Ryder will be the only ruckman, but I just can not trust Hooker when he has the ball anymore.
For McVeigh and Watson to come back in, one of Dyson and Skipworth must be dropped. I am leaning towards Skipworth.
But hopefully Gus pulls up OK, so then he can stay in the side.
Your thoughts?
ghostdog
4 Jul 2009, 01:04
Not keen on seeing Monfries out given his form over the last two weeks. If he is out injured, then McVeigh for Monfries is an easy fix.
I don't think Hooker is a gun as someone else somewhere said. I don't necessarily think he should be out of the side based on tonight though either... if Dempsey's eye is no good, Hurley as an in would be obvious, otherwise I'm content to write off an ordinary match for Hooker and let him play Sydney. Keep pushing Hurley's development.
I'd possibly send Reimers back to Bendigo for Watson. His kicking has been ordinary, and I'm not convinced about his commitment to the ball. Almost let his temper get the better of him tonight too. Dyson's earned his, as has Skipworth. Both would seek to redeem themselves next week.
In: McVeigh
Out: Monfries (inj.)
I'd drop Skipworth over Dyson. He'd not as hard at it and isn't as fast, nor does he take the game on and kick long like Dyson can.
NLM might do with a run for Bendigo.
I'm still not a Reimers fan, nothing in the last three weeks has shown me he deserved to come into the team straight off. I think he should have spent more time at Bendigo and I think he should go back there and prove himself before he steps up again.
Skipworth I don't dislike, but I think he slows the team down a bit too much. Him or Hocking.
Out: NLM, Skipworth/Hocking, Reimers, Monfries (if Inj)
In: Watson, McVeigh, Myers, Hurley
B: Slattery, Pears, Hurley
HB: Dempsey, Fletcher, Dyson
C: Lovett, McVeigh, Stanton
HF: Winderlich, Lucas, McPhee
F: Davey, Lloyd, Welsh
R: Ryder, Watson, Prismall
Int: Myers, Lonergan, Hocking, Hooker
Maybe even Bellchambers in for Hooker.
Am really thinking we need to bring in Bellchambers (depending on Bendigo game) as we are running Paddy into the ground!
essendon
4 Jul 2009, 01:16
Please drop Skipworth, sorry but i'm not a big fan of his i would prefer to play Zaka, Houli or Myers before him any day he is only stopping another young kid form coming in, i dont rate him at all - sorry but thats my opinion.
SirJimi05
4 Jul 2009, 01:18
Why the hell is Dyson's name even being mentioned?
Why the hell is Dyson's name even being mentioned?
It boggles the mind really. He hasn't been in dropping contention since ANZAC day on form.
MarkJohnson#1
4 Jul 2009, 01:46
Not sure if there'll be too many changes for next week. McPhee's disposal was a bit disappointing at times, Watson was sorely missed and is an automatic inclusion if fit, and Hooker simply does not suit the ruck, but I think I'll reserve my judgement on changes after letting everything sink in over the next day or two.
bomberz08
4 Jul 2009, 01:47
Ins- Watson, McVeigh, Hurley [maybe belly depends how he goes for bendigo]
Outs- Nlm, Skipworth, Gus[if inj.] and possibly hooker.
In; Bellchambers, McVeigh, Watson, Hurley
Out; monfries (inj), Hooker, Skipworth, NLM
Bellchambers comes in for one week only for 2 reasons
1) Jolly is a premier ruckman
2) Give Ryder a rest.
Due to match ups there is no position for Hooker but he will be back in the following week.
Jonesy1987
4 Jul 2009, 04:32
Hurley should only be in if we play him forward, as Sydney have no key targets with Hall on suspension.
CarlosHernandez
4 Jul 2009, 06:06
Dyson out??? Are you guys mad?!!?
Donakebab
4 Jul 2009, 07:59
Why is there so much hatred for Ricky and Skippy? They have been two of the most consistent players for us this year. Week after week people call form them to be dropped, but going by their form I don't see that happening.
I think Knighter might want to make a strong example of Spike and give him a week in the 2's. Will have to see what the damage is on Gus and will look at the side from then.
Three changes:
IN: McVeigh, Watson, T-Bell
OUT: Gus(inj), Hooker, NLM(omit)
ghostdog
4 Jul 2009, 09:01
Why is there so much hatred for Ricky and Skippy? They have been two of the most consistent players for us this year. Week after week people call form them to be dropped, but going by their form I don't see that happening.
I think Knighter might want to make a strong example of Spike and give him a week in the 2's. Will have to see what the damage is on Gus and will look at the side from then.
If Spike goes to Bendigo I will seriously f***** spew.
There. That should change Matty's mind.
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 09:07
Possible outs:
Monfries - injured
Skippy - gotta go.
Dyson - keeps on hanging in there by the skin of his teeth.
NLM - Might need his size and strength against the Swans
Hooker - Might be time for a run at VFL level.
Possible ins:
McVeigh - definite
Watson - definite
Bellchambers - maybe
Jetta - maybe, I want him him.
Hurley - maybe time for run
ghostdog
4 Jul 2009, 09:15
Possible outs:
Monfries - injured
Skippy - gotta go.
Dyson - keeps on hanging in there by the skin of his teeth.
NLM - Might need his size and strength against the Swans
Hooker - Might be time for a run at VFL level.
Possible ins:
McVeigh - definite
Watson - definite
Bellchambers - maybe
Jetta - maybe, I want him him.
Hurley - maybe time for run
You wouldn't have Houli then?
I'd rather McVeigh forward than Jetta, and leave Dyson where he is... or Dyson forward for McVeigh. That said, how's Jetta's Bendigo form been?
mark1881
4 Jul 2009, 09:37
INS: McVeigh, Watson
OUTS: Skipworth, Monfries (inj)
You wouldn't have Houli then?
I'd rather McVeigh forward than Jetta, and leave Dyson where he is... or Dyson forward for McVeigh. That said, how's Jetta's Bendigo form been?
Jetta was BOG for us last week, playing in the back pocket
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 09:55
You wouldn't have Houli then?
I'd rather McVeigh forward than Jetta, and leave Dyson where he is... or Dyson forward for McVeigh. That said, how's Jetta's Bendigo form been?
Forgot about Houli. He's another possibility.
Lonergan isn't doing enough to hold his place also.
jetta2davey
4 Jul 2009, 10:13
In: Watson, Mcveigh, Bellchambers, Hurley
Out: Skipworth, Lovett-murray, Hooker, Mcphee
Minimum Chips
4 Jul 2009, 10:14
In: Watson, McVeigh, Bolton
Out: Skipworth, Monfries (inj.)
Mr Mosquito
4 Jul 2009, 10:40
Forgot about Houli. He's another possibility.
Lonergan isn't doing enough to hold his place also.
UMMM yes he is. Was quiet easily in out best players last night, was one of very few who won consistent contested ball when the opportunity arose for him.
Out: Monfries (if Inj), Hooker, NLM, Skipworth
In: Watson, Hurley, Mcveigh, Bellechambers
bombers2011
4 Jul 2009, 10:52
SO, I am not usually an advocate for making alot of changes at this time in the season, but I think next week it may just happen...
It's time for Hooker to take a rest (just like Zaha did) and for Hurley to come in.
Also, Paddy NEEDS T-Bell against Jolly, Jolly is gonna smash him if he has to go it alone..
In an ideal world Paddy would have a holiday for a couple of weeks, he looked really tired last night. Makes me worry that he is more likely to get injured...
And of course we can't rely on Hooker against an A-list ruckman again. That was a demolition last night.
It's going to be very very hard at the selection table next week.
Who goes out for Watson?
Lonergan, Skipworth, Hocking, Dyson are all on the cards but all playing well enough to hold their spots...
NLM for McVeigh, Hooker for Bellchambers, Hurley for Monfries(can play both ends)
INS: Hurley, Bellchambers, Watson, McVeigh
OUTS: Hooker, NLM, Monfries (inj), ?
We need Hurley in. We lack somebody to do the kick ins and somebody who really has a presence down back. Could throw him up forward too.
Skeeta Olly
4 Jul 2009, 11:32
We need Hurley in. We lack somebody to do the kick ins and somebody who really has a presence down back.
Fletcher?
It's hard to make any calls till after the Bendigo match.
IN: Bellchambers Mcveigh Hurley
OUT: Hooker Skipworth Monfries
We need Hurley in. We lack somebody to do the kick ins and somebody who really has a presence down back. Could throw him up forward too.
Ok. Who does he play on? Sydney will have one (goodish) tall forward next week, and more good medium sized players, on who I'd rather Hooker playing on than Hurley.
Lonergan isn't doing enough to hold his place also.Didn't watch last week vs Carlton then?
Really wish people could at least wait until after our VFL side's played before posting their arbitrary 5 ins/5 outs.
Skeeta Olly
4 Jul 2009, 11:53
Didn't watch last week vs Carlton then?
Really wish people could at least wait until after our VFL side's played before posting their arbitrary 5 ins/5 outs.
Your common sense is not welcome. :p
Things to look at are how Bellchambers, McVeigh go and how well Watson trains this week.
Just asking guys, will Watson be an automatic inclusion?
Will he be right for next weekend?
Skeeta Olly
4 Jul 2009, 12:09
It all depends on how he trains and the ankle feels. If he is right, automatic inclusion.
bombers2011
4 Jul 2009, 12:09
We lack somebody to do the kick ins and somebody who really has a presence down back.
I'll say it again.. Heard of Fletcher, that lanky ranga genius who has been in the team for 16 years..?!
ghostdog
4 Jul 2009, 12:11
Forgot about Houli. He's another possibility.
Lonergan isn't doing enough to hold his place also.
Lonergan was terrific against Carlton, and until Collingwood put the hammer down had picked up where he left off I thought. He's started kicking goals too.
bombers2011
4 Jul 2009, 12:16
Lonergan was terrific against Carlton, and until Collingwood put the hammer down had picked up where he left off I thought. He's started kicking goals too.
Agreed, I would have him in before Skipworth if I had to pick from the two... he has much better skills and a bit more pace and has been better on the contested ball.
AndyLesPaul
4 Jul 2009, 12:18
IN: McVeigh, Watson, Bellchambers
OUT: Hooker, NLM, Gus
This week is a must win.
we need to be a little more secure in our ruckstocks, and we're more than able to rely on Pears, McPhee and Fletcher in the backline, simply because Sydney are low on forward options. Collingwood annihilated us in the clearances, and Watson's inclusion will fix that.
ChelseaFC
4 Jul 2009, 12:23
Essendon website has Watson missing another week?
Gee if that happens, selection becomes harder
ghostdog
4 Jul 2009, 12:34
Jetta was BOG for us last week, playing in the back pocket
Consistency will have to factor in then because Jetta's been quite disappointing mostly this season. Interested to see how he goes this weekend.
Essendon website has Watson missing another week?
Gee if that happens, selection becomes harder
That would have been from earlier in the week when it looked like he would miss 2. He started to get better later in the week and G.O.D said on thursday that Watson might have played if the game was on Sunday so he should be right for next week.
cAsEy_18
4 Jul 2009, 12:46
It's a hard selection week because i think there are a few we want to bring in (Watson, McVeigh definates, maybe Myers, Hurley, Bellchambers etc..) but struggling to see who to drop. It makes it hard because i thought we lacked any genuine very good players last night who played really well, but i didn't think there was anyone who just had a shocker and must be dropped. So instead, i've just picked my team for next week, and obviously worked out the changes from that.
FB: Henry Slattery - Tayte Pears - Adam McPhee
HB: Courtenay Dempsey - Dustin Fletcher - Andrew Welsh
C: Heath Hocking - Brent Stanton - Andrew Lovett
HF: Kyle Reimers - Scott Lucas - Alwyn Davey
FF: Angus Monfries - Matthew Lloyd - Mark McVeigh
FOLL: Patrick Ryder - Jobe Watson - Jason Winderlich
INT: Tom Bellchambers - Ricky Dyson - Brent Prismall - Sam Lonergan
That leaves me with
IN: McVeigh Watson Bellchambers
OUT: Hooker Skipworth Lovett Murray
Hooker stiff, and i'd like to see him back in the side the week after, but he's not required down back against Sydney and he just doesn't look up to it in the ruck personally, i'd be giving Bellchambers a big task of maybe 65% game time in the ruck, Ryder is seriously worn out. Watson and McVeigh are automatic ins, Lovett Murray is one i drop, may miss his toughness but i prefer McPHee in that role, and Skippy is stiff, but like i was saying, couldn't think of anyone else to drop, and if Monfries doesn't come up, Skippy keeps his spot.
Longy413
4 Jul 2009, 12:56
Bellchambers has to come in.
IF we make the finals and IF we want to be competitive in them, Paddy needs to be playing his best footy then.
The bloke is stuffed and needs a massive chop out.
I also reckon Winderlich looks like he needs a spell. Still playing good footy but he looks like his body is battling, given his injury history and the fact that the SCG won't require the number of gut runners that other grounds would, good week to give him a rest.
Windas_Magic
4 Jul 2009, 13:08
Bellchambers has to come in.
IF we make the finals and IF we want to be competitive in them, Paddy needs to be playing his best footy then.
The bloke is stuffed and needs a massive chop out.
I also reckon Winderlich looks like he needs a spell. Still playing good footy but he looks like his body is battling, given his injury history and the fact that the SCG won't require the number of gut runners that other grounds would, good week to give him a rest.
Pretty much agree on both counts.
Hooker has been useless in the ruck and has barely won a hit-out. When he goes into the ruck we just lose all our dominance and structure in the centre clearances and at stoppages around the ground.
Winders is an interesting one. He looks to have lost all of his pace and flair that he showed in the first ten weeks of the season, and his out-put has slowly decreased. Rather than resting him, i'd let him spend more time in the forward line, because he is a dangerous forward and is very capable above his head.
Bellchambers has to come in.
IF we make the finals and IF we want to be competitive in them, Paddy needs to be playing his best footy then.
The bloke is stuffed and needs a massive chop out.
Agree completly. The work load is starting to wear Paddy down.
In: Bellchambers, McVeigh , Watson.
Out: Monfries (inj) , Hooker and ??
Bit unlucky for Hooker but we are desperate for another genuine ruckman.
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 13:17
Didn't watch last week vs Carlton then?
Really wish people could at least wait until after our VFL side's played before posting their arbitrary 5 ins/5 outs.
So half a good game against Carlton is good form over the whole season? :confused:
Coming from the person who contiunes to press for Dyson's dropping. Kinda ironic isn't it? Dyson's bad form in previous seasons outweighs his good form this season...?
Pevers-Legend
4 Jul 2009, 13:22
So half a good game against Carlton is good form over the whole season? :confused:
Kelvin, he was also good against Melbounre. But aside from that, I agree - he has been a passenger all year.
Question to knights - why was he not given a go in the middle? Is there a total lack of belief in his abilities in the midfield?
Brent Prismall#9
4 Jul 2009, 13:25
In: McVeigh, Watson, Hurley, Bellchambers (Zaka If Monfries Inj)
Out: Lovett-Murray, Hooker, Dyson, Skipworth
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 13:39
Kelvin, he was also good against Melbounre. But aside from that, I agree - he has been a passenger all year.
Question to knights - why was he not given a go in the middle? Is there a total lack of belief in his abilities in the midfield?
He's an interesting one. I was expecting more from him and he just doesn't get it enough.
He was interviewed last week and one of the things he said was he was trying to improve his tank to play more midfield time. Maybe he doesn't have a midfielders tank and he sometimes labours on his repeated efforts.
You compare him to Hocking who looks like he can power and run all day.
With Watson, McVeigh coming in and Prismall, Hocking, Welsh I'm not sure there's room for all.
So half a good game against Carlton is good form over the whole season? :confused:Kelvin, he was also good against Melbounre. But aside from that, I agree - he has been a passenger all year.Notice a pattern there, lads? They've been two of the last three games; from all reports he wasn't disgraced last night, either.
He was disappointing in the first half of the season considering last year, but I think he's started to find form the last few weeks. Why drop him now.
Agree about calls in bringing in Bellchambers. Watson and McVeigh are no-brainers. I'd still like to see Jetta in for Skipworth, he's been ok skipworth in patches but i like Jetta's ability to chase and harrass and give davey a chop out. With Lloyd, Lucas and skipworth in the same forard line we can become like a turnstile at times. for opponents on the way out.
AhSteveSteve27
4 Jul 2009, 16:22
The more I watch Davey the more I think there is something up with him. I think he really needs a rest, just to freshen up, he hasn't played this far into a season before and he is tiring. Belly is a must, Hooker is almost useless in the ruck, any other option must be taken if available. I know they've been tight on changes this year, but could well be 4 or 5 plus this week and up to 6 or 7 over the next fortnight. Love to see Jetta and Hurley back, Hooker and Davey given a rest. McVeigh and Watson back for Lovett-Murray and Monfries if injured, Hocking if not.
Windas_Magic
4 Jul 2009, 16:25
The more I watch Davey the more I think there is something up with him. I think he really needs a rest, just to freshen up, he hasn't played this far into a season before and he is tiring.
So you didn't see his game against Carlton last week?
bomberstomake8
4 Jul 2009, 19:06
The more I watch Davey the more I think there is something up with him. I think he really needs a rest, just to freshen up, he hasn't played this far into a season before and he is tiring. Belly is a must, Hooker is almost useless in the ruck, any other option must be taken if available. I know they've been tight on changes this year, but could well be 4 or 5 plus this week and up to 6 or 7 over the next fortnight. Love to see Jetta and Hurley back, Hooker and Davey given a rest. McVeigh and Watson back for Lovett-Murray and Monfries if injured, Hocking if not.
davey is critical to our team balance, he cant be rested.
bellchambers is an interesting one, he hasnt showed any more then hooker in the games he has played in the ruck but could be included.
In: Mcveigh, Watson,
Outs:Stanton, Monfries (inj)
The main issue is running ryder into the ground, if knights thinks its necessary to give ryder some help then i would go with
In: Bellchambers, Hurley, Mcveigh, Watson
Out: Hooker, Reimers, Stanton, Monfries (inj)
i dont think reimers is in our best 22 yet, and i just dont think he is up to it at the momment, has been out too long and needs to find touch.
Stanton has been terrible the last few months, has been unaccountable and when he has had the ball he has had 0 impact, he had it 27 times last night and i barely noticed him. Hooker has been admirable however i feel hurley is a better option down back and if bellchambers is to ocme in its at the expense of hooker.
prismall to play a more outside role (stantons role) and mcveigh and watson to help out as the inside midfeilders.
Watched Welsh a bit last night...felt he was really laboring on that ankle. Nowhere near 100% and may need a break to get it right.
Out: Monfries, Welsh, Lovett-Murray, Hooker
In: Watson, McVeigh, Bellchambers, Hurley
B: Slattery, Hurley, Fletcher
HB: Dempsey, Pears, McPhee
C: Lovett, Watson, Stanton
HF: Dyson, Lucas, Winderlich
F: Davey, Lloyd, McVeigh
R: Ryder, Hocking, Prismall
Int: Skipworth, Bellchambers, Lonergan, Reimers
Emerg: Houli, Daniher, Lovett-Murray
Lonergan isn't doing enough to hold his place also.
You are either blind or stupid, I cant decide which.
You are either blind or stupid, I cant decide which.
I thought he was both :confused:
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 20:52
It's mindless dribble like ^^^^ that kills any good footy discussion on this board.
Well done folks. :thumbsu:
Its complete dribble suggesting lonergan isnt doing enough to hold his spot. If you actually went to a game you would see him on the bottom of loads of packs trying his guts out.
It's mindless dribble like ^^^^ that kills any good footy discussion on this board.
Well done folks. :thumbsu:
You're calling my post's dribble? oh come on. You said Lonergan should be dropped, he's been one of our better players for the past few weeks and yet you call my posts dibble. Sit down and Shut up
SirJimi05
4 Jul 2009, 21:16
Forgot about Houli. He's another possibility.
Lonergan isn't doing enough to hold his place also.
Not doing enought to hold his place? He has been amongst the best players the last 2 weeks.
Also, you are calling for Jetta's inclusion after 1 good game yet you want Myers to string 3-4 30+ possesion games together at Bendigo before being considered.
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 21:27
So which midfielder has Lonergan performed better than this year?
He's getting the ball less than last year and tackling is slightly down.
There's been plenty of comments on the board as to how he's underperforming. Why wouldn't he be a candidate to drop?
And fwiw, I actually said he's not doing enough to hold his place. Whether there's someone else to come in right now is debatable but hey lets make it all black and white.
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 21:31
Not doing enought to hold his place? He has been amongst the best players the last 2 weeks.
Also, you are calling for Jetta's inclusion after 1 good game yet you want Myers to string 3-4 30+ possesion games together at Bendigo before being considered.
Geez, I must have missed that bit where Myers and Jetta are playing for the same position.
Lonergan was in the bests on Friday. :confused:
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 21:33
You're calling my post's dribble? oh come on. You said Lonergan should be dropped, he's been one of our better players for the past few weeks and yet you call my posts dibble. Sit down and Shut up
What are you 10 years old?
Stop wasting our time here. Some of us want to talk football. :thumbsd:
Come on kelvin...calm down slightly.
Lonergan has been very good in recent weeks. Look at his hard ball gets!
Safe.
In: Bellchambers, Hurley, Mcveigh, Watson
Out: Hooker, Reimers, Stanton, Monfries (inj)
i .
Might be a bit out of form but come on.
kelvin_sheedy
4 Jul 2009, 22:24
Come on kelvin...calm down slightly.
Lonergan has been very good in recent weeks. Look at his hard ball gets!
Safe.
A few hardball gets around the stoppages is ok but when the game spreads he doesn't do enough.
They killed us with numbers around the ball and contests yesterday and it's guys like Lonergan who weren't able to keep up with the opposition.
Hocking has gone past him and I count McVeigh, Watson, Welsh, Prismall, Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett as first picked before him. There's not enough room for all and he doesn't give us anything different to the first 4. In fact he's a poor mans version of em right now.
He needs to seriously pull his finger out as he can't rely on playing forward to keep his place in the side.
A few hardball gets around the stoppages is ok but when the game spreads he doesn't do enough.
They killed us with numbers around the ball and contests yesterday and it's guys like Lonergan who weren't able to keep up with the opposition.
Reckon you can look no further than Welsh for that...I was staggered at his lack of manoeuverability...whilst I think Pendlebury was ineffective on him, Welsh just didn't look right. As for the stoppage comment, i am sure most in here would recall a number of efforts last night where he did the hard thing to win the ball, in one-n-one contests (1 example was in the 2nd term where in a two-on-one situation, he threw himself in, laid a great bump onto his opponent front-on, won the ball and then kicked after moving about 5-6 metres - fantastic against the run of play)
Forgot about Houli. He's another possibility.
Lonergan isn't doing enough to hold his place also.
He actually did some very nice things last night... His ability to win 1 on 1 contested footy is better than anyone in the side aside from Jobe..
WTF is with all these fools asking for 4-5 changes??? Seriously, some people on here have no idea... Lose a game = change the entire team :rolleyes::rolleyes:
And whatever nob put McPhee's name up --- please do not post again..
It's mindless dribble like ^^^^ that kills any good footy discussion on this board.
Well done folks. :thumbsu:While I disagree with nearly all of your posts, I agree here.
In: McVeigh, Watson, Hurley, Bellchambers (Zaka If Monfries Inj)
Out: Lovett-Murray, Hooker, Dyson, Skipworth
case in point... seriously, do you have any idea about football whatsoever.. can we have some sort of screening process for these kind of posters?
Question: Am I on the Carltank Board or the Essendon Board?
FFS Guys open your eyes.. We need Lonergan as he doesn't give a flying f*** if he gets knocked out he will put his head over the ball and be at the bottom of the pack all the time!!
People suggesting Stanton and McPhee be dropped :eek: 1. McPhee was clearly our best by a country mile..and 2. Stanton is allowed to have one bad game in his career? Come on guys let's get fair dinkum..
People saying Hocking should be dropped..This one really pisses me off!! The guy has had obviously his best year this year and claimed some big scalps along the year..He also deserves to keep his spot in the side.
Dyson might not have played to the best of his ability as he did on ANZAC Day but the guy has played consistenly well..not great but does what he needs to do.. Deserves his spot in the side!!
As I said in a post before the Carlton game...we cannot make so many changes in a week...Yes Watson and McVeigh are in our best 22 and with the injury to Gussy. We can't make so many changes in a one week.. These guys will learn from each other's mistakes... Take Geelong for example. IIRC they hardly made any changes in the first 5 rounds of 2007..after being 2 wins and 3 losses.
They stuck together as a playing group without making so many changes...They got beaten by the Kangaroos quite easily and people were questioning Mark Thompson's selection. He stuck with the virtually the same side in those first 5 rounds.
It is a must that we keep our changes to a minimum and make it hard for the likes of Jetta, Myers, Neagle etc..
Ok now that I've had my rant..Some positives out of last night..
Guys It was 1 quarter that cost us..Other than that we stayed with a very good side who is going to play deep into September
The Return form of Scotty Lucas. Ever since he has come back from Bendigo the man has been pretty impressive..I will be the first to say that I thought he was finished and would retire after a couple of weeks at Bendigo..but gee to his Credit has bounced back and playing some really good footy.
Welsh getting through another game after that horrific injury. Although I thought he looked a little lost out there was good to see my man get through another game..
Same goes for Prizza..Getting better with every game! Just waiting for that game where we see him stream down the guts of the MCG kicking a goal on the run.
Adrian Dorodo you have found an absolute superstar in Tayte Pears. Thought his only problem was, he went too far under the ball at times, but that was the smarts of Anthony doubling back all the time but Tayte will learn kid is only 19.
Finally..I think I can say for all of us here, It's going to be just as sad saying goodbye to Dustin Fletcher as it was to James Hird. In 17 years of my life, I don't think I've seen a better defender than Inspector Gadget himself.. If Dusty hadn't of missed those 6 or so weeks, Presti would of a real challenge on his hands for that AA spot.
My changes would be:
In: McVeigh and Watson
Out: NLM and Gus (inj)
Geez, I must have missed that bit where Myers and Jetta are playing for the same position.
Lonergan was in the bests on Friday. :confused:
What the *** does position have to do with it? You are an advocate of players showing form at Bendigo to earn a recall yet the same principal doesn't apply to Jetta. I have seen your posts and the one thing i know about you is that you are a Jetta fan and you loathe Myers. You fool noone.
Just out of curiosity which defender would you like to see Jetta replace? Slattery? Please bear in mind that he was close to our best player against the Pies. Which is it then? Please don't say the forward line because on form he has shown absolutely zero there.
Remember what you said - Myers played well for Bendigo inb the midfield so unless he can take a midfield role he doesnt gat a gig. Same applies for Jetta. Do you now see how ridiculous you are?
A few hardball gets around the stoppages is ok but when the game spreads he doesn't do enough.
They killed us with numbers around the ball and contests yesterday and it's guys like Lonergan who weren't able to keep up with the opposition.
Hocking has gone past him and I count McVeigh, Watson, Welsh, Prismall, Stanton, Winderlich, Lovett as first picked before him. There's not enough room for all and he doesn't give us anything different to the first 4. In fact he's a poor mans version of em right now.
He needs to seriously pull his finger out as he can't rely on playing forward to keep his place in the side.
On form Lonergan has been better than Welsh over the last 2 weeks. Welsh was terrible last night, probably close to the worst player for us.
Why does Lonergan have to play in the midfield? You keep calling for Jetta to be included yet Lonergan has shown far, far more than anything Jetta has shown in the forward line. Oh, im sorry, Jetta is lighting quick and he puts pressure on (a couple of Essendon bf myths right there).
case in point... seriously, do you have any idea about football whatsoever.. can we have some sort of screening process for these kind of posters?
He was actually closer than most people. Only one he got wrong was Dyson, the rest are under the pump.
kelvin_sheedy
5 Jul 2009, 00:18
What the *** does position have to do with it? You are an advocate of players showing form at Bendigo to earn a recall yet the same principal doesn't apply to Jetta. I have seen your posts and the one thing i know about you is that you are a Jetta fan and you loathe Myers. You fool noone.
Just out of curiosity which defender would you like to see Jetta replace? Slattery? Please bear in mind that he was close to our best player against the Pies. Which is it then? Please don't say the forward line because on form he has shown absolutely zero there.
Remember what you said - Myers played well for Bendigo inb the midfield so unless he can take a midfield role he doesnt gat a gig. Same applies for Jetta. Do you now see how ridiculous you are?
On form Lonergan has been better than Welsh over the last 2 weeks. Welsh was terrible last night, probably close to the worst player for us.
Why does Lonergan have to play in the midfield? You keep calling for Jetta to be included yet Lonergan has shown far, far more than anything Jetta has shown in the forward line. Oh, im sorry, Jetta is lighting quick and he puts pressure on (a couple of Essendon bf myths right there).
Jetta has displayed enough form at VFL level to warrant selection so I'm not sure what principle you are talking about. You select players based on what role they can play at AFL level. Myers and Jetta are a different kettle of fish. There's a spot for a zippy goal sneak. We need more mobility up forward.
Jetta is yet to be given any decent run in the seniors this year. He should be given a 4 week stretch to cement a spot up forward. Myers was given plenty of games at the start of the year when he was woeful.
Lonergan has to play midfield because he'll never be anything more than a bit part forward. He's either playing their or he's playing in Bendigo.
As for Lonergan showing more than Jetta forward, I disagree. Lonergan is yet to have a game like Jetta has playing forward. Jetta was great against Freo last year with 5 assists. Lonergan has a 2 goal game while Jetta 3. Jetta 6 inside 50's best against Lonergan 5.
Lonergan is way overated on these boards at the moment.
And you Welsh argument is just plain wrong - Welsh BOG against Carlton and has the runs on the board against Lonergan.
Jetta has displayed enough form at VFL level to warrant selection so I'm not sure what principle you are talking about. You select players based on what role they can play at AFL level. Myers and Jetta are a different kettle of fish. There's a spot for a zippy goal sneak. We need more mobility up forward.
Jetta has shown enough form at VFL level to warrant selection as a forward? He has been ok at best. He was good last week as a defender. And what the *** are you on about zippy goal sneak? He is not zippy and he doesnt kick goals. How many goals has he kicked this season? The guy shits himself everytime he has a chance to kick a goal...
Jetta is yet to be given any decent run in the seniors this year. He should be given a 4 week stretch to cement a spot up forward. Myers was given plenty of games at the start of the year when he was woeful.
Jetta has been terrible at AFL level. Myers has been poor also but you cleary have an agenda against Myers. Jetta does not like like he is up to being an AFL footballer, atleast Myers has some upside.
Lonergan has to play midfield because he'll never be anything more than a bit part forward. He's either playing their or he's playing in Bendigo.
Says Kelvin. I can guarantee you he will keep his spot next week and wont be at Bendigo. Unless someone like Jetta can actually do something it wont be changing anytime soon.
As for Lonergan showing more than Jetta forward, I disagree. Lonergan is yet to have a game like Jetta has playing forward. Jetta was great against Freo last year with 5 assists. Lonergan has a 2 goal game while Jetta 3. Jetta 6 inside 50's best against Lonergan 5.
Talk about grasping at straws. Jetta had one good game exactly 1 year ago and that is what you are hanging your hat on. Good luck with that pal. Lets talk about current form shall we?
Lonergan is way overated on these boards at the moment.
Lonergan is an underrated player at Essendon. Do you actually go to matches? Ive got a feeling you dont coz all you seem to do is refer to stats and bs. Lonergan has a crack and is always on the bottom of the pack getting his hands dirty. Of course people like you wouldnt notice him.
And you Welsh argument is just plain wrong - Welsh BOG against Carlton and has the runs on the board against Lonergan
I said on cosistency. Do you kknow the meaing of the word? Over the last 2 games Lonergan has been more consistant.
When do the yearly flog awards take place?
Pevers-Legend
5 Jul 2009, 01:37
Kelvin is spot on.
He is playing as a forward - and lets face it - he ain't doing anywhere near enough to be walk up start. Why is it he can get the pill maybe 12 times and 3 or 4 with a great attack on the footy and he is doing his job?
He is not a forward and he is proving it. He has been a passenger and I'm sorry but to include his Melbourne game as showing good form in the last few weeks is clucthcing at straws. Melbourne are schite. Play well against the decent teams.
Where was he last night when we were smashed in the middle? If he can;t run in the middle as required, he should not be playing instead of a forward who can provide a spark and kick goals.
I don't advocate Jetta's inclusion unless he has good form, but those that cream their pants at Sam 12 disposals Lonergans form ought to wonder why we are middle of the road?
Pevers-Legend
5 Jul 2009, 01:39
And for all the Reimers lovers out there - he is another who is a passenger.
He has the tools to be great, so does Lonergan, but if you don;t perform why should you get a gig over more deserving players?
McVeigh must be counting his lucky stars because he is a monty to play next week given the form of a few in the 22.
He is playing as a forward - and lets face it - he ain't doing anywhere near enough to be walk up start. Why is it he can get the pill maybe 12 times and 3 or 4 with a great attack on the footy and he is doing his job?
He got the ball 16 times mate. Leroy Jetta has done that once in his entire career to date.
He is not a forward and he is proving it. He has been a passenger and I'm sorry but to include his Melbourne game as showing good form in the last few weeks is clucthcing at straws. Melbourne are schite. Play well against the decent teams.
Lonergan as a 'non forward' has shown more than Jetta in his entire career to date.
Where was he last night when we were smashed in the middle? If he can;t run in the middle as required, he should not be playing instead of a forward who can provide a spark and kick goals.
Ask Matthew Knights why don't you? At present he is being played out of position and still doing an admirable job. If only specialist forwards could show the same sort of endevour.
I don't advocate Jetta's inclusion unless he has good form, but those that cream their pants at Sam 12 disposals Lonergans form ought to wonder why we are middle of the road
16 possesions mate and who is creaming their pants? You sound like Kelvin re Myers! Nobody is creaming their pants, we are saying on current form he is not under the gun to be dropped.
Responses above.
And for all the Reimers lovers out there - he is another who is a passenger.
He has the tools to be great, so does Lonergan, but if you don;t perform why should you get a gig over more deserving players?
McVeigh must be counting his lucky stars because he is a monty to play next week given the form of a few in the 22.
Reimers? 5+ months out of football? :rolleyes:
Lonergan had 2 issues to address from 2008
- Increase his tank so he could spend more time on the ground.
- And to pick up more loose ball gets.
The jury is still deliberating over the first issue and he has barely improved his loose ball gets.
Overall, Lonergan's performance in 2009 has been mediocre, although his performances against Melbourne and Carlton were very good.
As a point of comparison Dane Swan only averages about 70% game time but racks up the numbers.
Lonergan must address one of these two areas of concern if he is to have a long term future in the team.,
kelvin_sheedy
5 Jul 2009, 09:58
When do the yearly flog awards take place?
Not sure... surely you must have received your invite in the mail by now? ;)
Lonergan as a midfielder doesn't it get it enough in a time where possessions are going through the roof.
Lonergan as a forward provides no crumbing ability. Most of his goals are from marks inside 50. We can't have a side full of lead up slow forwards.
We have pretty low standards if you think his output is ok at the moment. Maybe Sheedy was right about him?
As for the comparision to Jetta, well it's pointless because they're two different players and teams these days are about structure and role players. They have different roles and both are underperfoming in them.
Jetta plays a role we don't have any depth in. Lonergan plays a role in which everyone has gone past him bar a few kids. If Myers makes it and becomes an inside mid then he's in a lot of trouble.
baby_bomber_18
5 Jul 2009, 09:58
dyson??? hes actually proving to be quite valuable to our style of footy
in: Mcveigh (better prove himself after one of the most selfish acts)
Watson
Hurley
Myers
out: skipworth
monfries (wats his injury?)
NLM
hooker
i know this wont happen but stanton should be dropped...i cant stand this bloke...should go back to bendigo and prove that he can run both ways not just when the goals are in front of him and also show some awareness, he gets run down twice a game and its so costly
dyson??? hes actually proving to be quite valuable to our style of footy
in: Mcveigh (better prove himself after one of the most selfish acts)
Watson
Hurley
Myers
out: skipworth
monfries (wats his injury?)
NLM
hooker
i know this wont happen but stanton should be dropped...i cant stand this bloke...should go back to bendigo and prove that he can run both ways not just when the goals are in front of him and also show some awareness, he gets run down twice a game and its so costly
you flog...Stanton is clearly our fittest and most hard running player..
bombers2011
5 Jul 2009, 12:55
And for all the Reimers lovers out there - he is another who is a passenger.
Remember, he had NO preseason and has played 4 games. I'm backing him and so is Knights.
I would reserve your judgement 'til the guy plays a couple more games, he brings aggression, speed and X factor unlike anyone else in the side. We need a Loose Cannon and I would much prefer Kyle to Nat Rat.
George Washington
5 Jul 2009, 13:38
Hurley wont come in this week I think, with Barry Hall out the Swans dont have enough KPF for us to need him.
Knights is lucky in a way that essendon were so poor on the friday night. With mcveigh, watson as certain inclusions and hurley, jetta, myers, bellchambers all knocking on the door, selection would have been even tougher if the dons had a really consistent game against the pies.
however, the dons were very poor with only 3-4 decent players on the night. therefore, im going:
IN: mcveigh, watson, hurley, bellchambers (not sure how he has been going but should provide a better contest than hooker and give ryder a much needed hand)
OUT: monfries (inj), lovett-murray (hasn't been terrible but who instead? really want hurley in), hooker (been good but not a ruckmen, give him a break), reimers (needs to find form in the 2s -skipworth survives as he has been contributing goals and has been ok).
i think myers and jetta need to play well consistently before getting a game (loving our depth, last year these two (and houli) would be near certainties atm)
really want to see zaharakis back soon!! how has he been going at bendi?
As for the comparision to Jetta, well it's pointless because they're two different players and teams these days are about structure and role players. They have different roles and both are underperfoming in them.
They are both small players that are both vying for the same/similiar type positions at the moment. It may not be Lonergans natural position but he has still showm more in it than Jetta has over his entire career.
Jetta plays a role we don't have any depth in. Lonergan plays a role in which everyone has gone past him bar a few kids. If Myers makes it and becomes an inside mid then he's in a lot of trouble
Plays a role we have no depth in yet still isnt good enough to get a game. If 1 of these 2 players had to be cut from the list right now it would not be a contest. Not a lot you say makes sense. Why did you wait until Lonergan started showing some form to call for him to be dropped. I would have agreed with you if you had of said it earlier on.
Response above.
Lonergan had 2 issues to address from 2008
- Increase his tank so he could spend more time on the ground.
- And to pick up more loose ball gets.
The jury is still deliberating over the first issue and he has barely improved his loose ball gets.
Overall, Lonergan's performance in 2009 has been mediocre, although his performances against Melbourne and Carlton were very good.
As a point of comparison Dane Swan only averages about 70% game time but racks up the numbers.
Lonergan must address one of these two areas of concern if he is to have a long term future in the team.,
Very balanced opinion yaco..nice
Ins:
McViegh
Watson
Belly
Outs:
NLM
Skiworth
Hooker
If Monfries doesn't come up, bring in hurley or keep hooker in and play mcphee up forward.
Thats what I think anyways.
Wanna B Hird
5 Jul 2009, 18:51
you flog...Stanton is clearly our fittest and most hard running player..
Another idiot that must watch too much TV. If you actually watched the game you would see that most times the bloke gets the ball he turns it over, he must become accountable:thumbsd:
you flog...Stanton is clearly our fittest and most hard running player..
Another idiot that must watch too much TV. If you actually watched the game you would see that most times the bloke gets the ball he turns it over, he must become accountable:thumbsd:Easy on the shit-slinging. I'll repeat:
We are not Richmond!
rioli brownlow
5 Jul 2009, 19:29
Easy on the shit-slinging. I'll repeat:
We are not Richmond!
i would call it having an opinion.
which unless the law has changed you are still allowed to do.
rioli brownlow
5 Jul 2009, 19:31
you flog...Stanton is clearly our fittest and most hard running player..
in.houli,watson,mcveigh,hurley,bellchambers
out. monfries(inj),hooker,nlm,slattery,hocking
lmaohelp
5 Jul 2009, 19:37
dyson??? hes actually proving to be quite valuable to our style of footy
in: Mcveigh (better prove himself after one of the most selfish acts)
Watson
Hurley
Myers
out: skipworth
monfries (wats his injury?)
NLM
hooker
i know this wont happen but stanton should be dropped...i cant stand this bloke...should go back to bendigo and prove that he can run both ways not just when the goals are in front of him and also show some awareness, he gets run down twice a game and its so costly
could no agree more about stanton, he is a joke, doesnt use the ball well, doesnt run, doesnt cover his man when he needs to, im sick of him he doesnt deserve the number 5 seriously
Skeeta Olly
5 Jul 2009, 19:39
This is like the Carlton Board after round 3.
It's disgusting.
Pevers-Legend
5 Jul 2009, 19:54
Reimers? 5+ months out of football? :rolleyes:
So what? Earn your spot in the team or play for Bendigo. Simple.
Pevers-Legend
5 Jul 2009, 20:00
Remember, he had NO preseason and has played 4 games. I'm backing him and so is Knights.
I would reserve your judgement 'til the guy plays a couple more games, he brings aggression, speed and X factor unlike anyone else in the side. We need a Loose Cannon and I would much prefer Kyle to Nat Rat.
No one reads posts- they just see something that might ruffle a feather and jumnp up and down on the spot.
I agree at his best he is in our 22. But if you don;t perfrom why is a 19 year old with maybe 20 games experience a monty for selection?
Is it me or has the "let's play the kids for the sake of it" train of through suddenly infected the board?
I'd drop Skipworth over Dyson. He'd not as hard at it and isn't as fast, nor does he take the game on and kick long like Dyson can.
NLM might do with a run for Bendigo.
I'm still not a Reimers fan, nothing in the last three weeks has shown me he deserved to come into the team straight off. I think he should have spent more time at Bendigo and I think he should go back there and prove himself before he steps up again.
Skipworth I don't dislike, but I think he slows the team down a bit too much. Him or Hocking.
Out: NLM, Skipworth/Hocking, Reimers, Monfries (if Inj)
In: Watson, McVeigh, Myers, Hurley
B: Slattery, Pears, Hurley
HB: Dempsey, Fletcher, Dyson
C: Lovett, McVeigh, Stanton
HF: Winderlich, Lucas, McPhee
F: Davey, Lloyd, Welsh
R: Ryder, Watson, Prismall
Int: Myers, Lonergan, Hocking, Hooker
Maybe even Bellchambers in for Hooker.
we need Bellchambers in,poor old Paddy is getting tired
Pevers-Legend
5 Jul 2009, 20:04
16 possesions mate and who is creaming their pants? You sound like Kelvin re Myers! Nobody is creaming their pants, we are saying on current form he is not under the gun to be dropped.
If his spot is safe - then we really don;t have any depth. He is not a forward, he does not bring to the table what a forward needs. He shoudl be picnh-hitting up foward when not on the ball. Knights won;t play him on the ball - this is an indictment on him for his form this year.
I like Sam and the way he goes at the footy is great - but he does not impact on games as he needs to.
i would call it having an opinion.
which unless the law has changed you are still allowed to do.No, it's being abusive and pathetic.
Argue all you like; calling each other 'flog' and 'idiot' is childish and does nothing to help your standing among your fellow posters on here.
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