View Full Version : Nielsen on Hauritz- a worry IMO
SydneyDon
9 Jul 2009, 14:05
From a Cric info article:
Hauritz, who bowled from both ends, dropped short a couple of times to Paul Collingwood to be cut for boundaries, but was not taken to by Pietersen. Australia blocked off his boundary areas with the field settings and gave him singles instead. Until he was in his 60s he didn't seem bothered but on 69, having survived an lbw and a dropped catch, he swept at a ball he could have glided to third man and was caught at short leg off his helmet.
Facing a slow pitch, Hauritz preferred the safety of men near the boundary for all batsmen.
"Nathan just thought the margin for error was very small," the coach Tim Nielsen said. "He was very conscious of letting himself be hit through point. The wicket was spinning a lot so he was playing a supporting role for the fast bowlers. To get his 20 overs out at just over three an over and get that important wicket was a good result for us."
So basically Hauritz was selected as a defensive bowler, just there to limit runs, hope to get lucky with a wicket, maybe, and to help Ricky out of his overrate problems. And we are admitting this?
Maybe Hauritz was selected to cause damage in the second innings? I don't know.
It's not Hauritz's fault, or Nielsens but it's a shame we are 180 degrees from the days when our spinner almost demanded the new ball on day one of a Test.
I would Prefer Krezja in the team over Doogie Howser Hauritz.. or even if we had just played the four pacemen...despite the wicket....
I know Krezja has a tendency to leak runs runs but at least he consistently produces wicket taking balls…. He is capable of taking 2,3 or 4 wickets in quick succession as he proved in India…plus he is more then handy with the cue…
It’s a defensive move to go with Hauritz… he is decent at getting through the overs and not bleeding too many runs…. But for wickets he is relying on the odd ‘how did I do that’ ball and shots like the one KP played last night…
I think Krezja was the better option and has been burnt by the selectors....
I hope Hauritz proves me wrong..... but I doubt it:(
Respected Journo
9 Jul 2009, 17:02
Did one performance prove he is capable of "consistently producing wicket taking balls"?
The problem with having Krezja in the side is that the rest of the bowling attack is made up of guys still finding their feet and even then, the likes of Johnson can still go at a fair clip.
Having Krezja in the team compromises the effectiveness of the rest of the attack, our attack relys on constant pressure to be effective. It's not an attack where you can set umbrella fields and just go to work, its a grinding process reliant on line and length, keen fielding and a clear plan. Krezja just releases any pressure we have built up while not taking wickets consistently.
aussie1st
9 Jul 2009, 17:05
Nothing new, we all know Hauritz is a defensive bowler. I hope Krejza can learn to reduce his bad balls and also get an arm ball so that he isn't spinning into the right handers all the time allowing them to do what Kallis did.
Good points made... I live in Tassie and work in Bellerive so I have seen quite a bit of Krezja over the past few years.... with him... I feel he is always a chance of getting a breakthrough...I feel like Hauritz is just giving the quicks a rest.... he is clearly a sharper turner and more attacking bowler then Hauritz... However... I do agree that he needs to work on the defensive side of his game....
Still... you need 20 wickest to win a match...
TheColeTrain
9 Jul 2009, 17:25
Please will people stop saying Krejza's name.
Too loose, too expensive, you just can not win with a guy that goes for so much runs and is really only a one trick pony, has no variety.
Hauritz is the lesser of two evils, ties up an end so Johnson, Siddle and Hilfenhaus can attack, not defend because Krejza goes for 100 of 20 overs every match
Respected Journo
9 Jul 2009, 17:28
I can't believe Krezja doesn't have an arm ball? That is a basic fundamental component of off-spin bowling.
Especially as Krezja has sharp spin, if he had one to go straight on he could well do some decent damage.
The fact that he doesnt have an arm ball suggests to me that his the type of bowler who just want's to run in and rip the thing as hard as he can and there haven't many spin bowlers who have been successful with that method.
magpie stormer
9 Jul 2009, 17:33
the best spinner in the country at the moment bryce mcgain wasnt selected in the tour,that is a joke,the guy had 1 bad first up test match and even the sth africans admitted they went after him ,he should have been given another chance rather than pick the spud hauritz
Selective Retention
9 Jul 2009, 20:08
I think the fact Nielsen reckons Siddle is the same sort of bowler as Stuart Clark and the two can't coexist is more of a worry.
Can anyone explain to me how he got his contract extended, no questions asked, for three years after losing to India and SA in Australia?
Stuart Clark is a lot more defensive than Hauritz, really. Who would you rather face, Clark who will hit the top of Off stump everyball ball and if you stuff up your out! or Face Hauritz who is slower and probably still be hit for runs if you do something stupid.
By playing Clark it forces the pommy batsmen to attack one of Hilfenhaus/Johnson/Siddle, alot more harder than belting a pie chucking spinner.
King Elvis
9 Jul 2009, 20:57
Well, don't I look silly.
outabounds
9 Jul 2009, 21:01
Oh f#*#K,
he's got another wicket, he is certain to play the whole series now.
King Elvis
9 Jul 2009, 21:06
Oh f#*#K,
he's got another wicket, he is certain to play the whole series now.
Well, poor selections have cost us the Indian Series and the home Saffer Series, so it'd make it a hattrick for the bunch of ********s.
Punter needs to have a public blow-up - ask what the point of them even bothering to front is if the Selectors refuse to pick the best side.
Moin Khan
9 Jul 2009, 21:31
Sorry - I saw Nielsen talking and all I could understand was:
"Blah, blah, blah, dribble, splutter, blah, blah"
When are Nielsen and Hilditch going to be held accountable???
Obviously when it's totally beyond repair.
Everyone on Hauritz - Useless
Can anyone explain to me how he got his contract extended, no questions asked, for three years after losing to India and SA in Australia?
I don't understand how either! must have compromising photos of someone
Ill Chicken
10 Jul 2009, 01:33
Leave Haley Joel Osment alone.
Funkalicous
10 Jul 2009, 08:48
I don't see a damn thing wrong with Hauritz. It was the pace bowlers that let us down yesterday morning. Hauritz was the one that fixed them up in the finish. And those Pietersen type dismissals will happen because he's a tough bowler to work around for easy singles. - Pietersen himself admitted that.
Cousin Jed
10 Jul 2009, 08:53
Some interesting discussions with some actual thought instead of just a bunch of asterisked out swear words would be nice every now and then guys.
TheBrownlowMan37
10 Jul 2009, 15:35
When compared to what the English spinners have done on the same pitch, he's not looking too bad. 3/90-odd for a guy who apparently gets no turn is a decent effort. Also going at under 4 an over, not bad.
bombersno1
10 Jul 2009, 15:45
He is much better than the Pommie pie shop owners in Swann and Monty, I struggle to see why on earth the Poms did not pick Harmison. For all his faults, he is in form.
Ill Chicken
10 Jul 2009, 16:02
As MacGilla, Mo' and Marto pointed out, all this crap the English media have been heaping on Hauritz yet they've played one guy that's been struggling to take any wickets in first class an the other is still to proven over the long term. I don't agree with Harmison being selected ahead of Onions, who has done nothing wrong and is what England are sorely missing.
bombersno1
10 Jul 2009, 16:28
Piss Anderson off and play Harmison. I never liked Harmison but at least he is a wicketaker. Nothing tells me Anderson is anything more than a guy who gets wickets against minnows..for a swing bowler he is yet to swing ONE deleivery in the entire test. At least Harmison gives you variety through height and bounce. You could easily play Onions as well
Flintoff (all rounder)
Broad
Harmison
Onions
Swann will do no more than what Kevin Piterson can do with his spinners, same with Monty who is ridiculously out of form.
Selective Retention
10 Jul 2009, 19:11
The pommie commentators were good for a laugh.
One of them said if Hilfenhaus can swing it then Anderson will be a handful on the pitch. Hilfenhaus is a GENUINE swing bowler you idiots, do some research.
Not to mention Hauritz doing a better job than their two spinners after they spent the whole time paying him out.
courtjester
11 Jul 2009, 07:21
The only problem Hauritz has is people's perceptions of him.
Yep, he's not Shane Warne.
Hauritz is a very good off-spinner with good control, drift and flight, who turns the ball enough to cause doubt in the batsman's mind about advancing down the wicket too quickly. We need a spinner in our side, the fact he was economical and bagged 3 wickets justifies it.
The way some people talk about him you'd think he was a complete spastic. He's a very good offie.
i_hate_scams
11 Jul 2009, 09:26
i watched most of the last session just to listen to the english commentators to see what they have to say!
Jimthegreat
11 Jul 2009, 09:36
I think the fact Nielsen reckons Siddle is the same sort of bowler as Stuart Clark and the two can't coexist is more of a worry.
Can anyone explain to me how he got his contract extended, no questions asked, for three years after losing to India and SA in Australia?
I know. Can't work out the comparison. One's 6'8" the other's 6'2" to start with. Difference in bounce and length to start with. Clark, like McGrath, will attack you with bounce, seam and skill.
I remember 3 years ago people were saying Clark shouldn't be picked because he was so similar to McGrath :eek:. I thought having 2 similar bowlers of that ilk was a good thing!!! Clark went on to be "man of the series".
grizzlym
11 Jul 2009, 13:43
He is much better than the Pommie pie shop owners in Swann and Monty, I struggle to see why on earth the Poms did not pick Harmison. For all his faults, he is in form.
Hauritz has comfortably out performed both of the English spinners so far in this test. And you'd have to say the pommie chuckers have had more assistance from the pitch.
very good selection on this games form
We need a spinner in our side, the fact he was economical and bagged 3 wickets justifies it.
The way some people talk about him you'd think he was a complete spastic. He's a very good offie.
It's just a hangover from having one of the greatest attacking spinners ever to play in your team, every spinner for the next 20 years will be compared to Warne.
And I don't think we have to have a spinner in the side. Stuart Clark is a great defensive paceman with probably a bigger upside (in wicket taking terms) than Hauritz.
Hauritz 6
England 6
Go Hauri!!!
TheBrownlowMan37
14 Jul 2009, 15:17
Hauritz 6
England 6
Go Hauri!!!
Lol I think that says it all.