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Johnson#26
1 Aug 2009, 00:13
I'm betting Australia would love the fact that this bloke comes in at #3. Basically a gift wicket. I don't have Foxtel - so can those who saw the Windies series tell me, is this bloke actually any good?
bigburger
1 Aug 2009, 00:13
No..
He's going to score a ton now. :thumbsd:
OzBomber
1 Aug 2009, 00:33
I'm betting Australia would love the fact that this bloke comes in at #3. Basically a gift wicket. I don't have Foxtel - so can those who saw the Windies series tell me, is this bloke actually any good?
I'm blaming you when he makes a ton.
Johnson#26
1 Aug 2009, 00:35
LOL. If he makes a ton we don't deserve the Ashes. It's that simple.
bigburger
1 Aug 2009, 00:36
I'm blaming you when he makes a ton.
I'm blaming him if Manou drops him on 20 and then Bopara makes a tonne.
Grimwood
1 Aug 2009, 00:37
Bopara's still very raw, but he's got plenty of shots.
His basic technique is just on the edge of being solid enough to be a 3, but his shot selection and desire to whip the ball off his pads means he's nothing of the sort at the moment.
Talented, but then so is Ian Bell...
Ill Chicken
1 Aug 2009, 00:39
Bopara reminds me of Mark Waugh a bit very casual and quite a touch player with his shots.
mansize rooster
1 Aug 2009, 00:48
hack
windies made him look good. he should not make a 50 this series
Blue Dimension
1 Aug 2009, 00:54
Very talented. I rate him and have done so for a while. Still young and raw with plenty to learn. Would not be surprised to see him hit back in the last 3 Tests of this series.
King Elvis
1 Aug 2009, 01:20
Bopara reminds me of Mark Waugh a bit very casual and quite a touch player with his shots.
Really?
Waugh looked casual because of how elegant and easy he was.
Bopara looks casual because, at present, he's a bit loose and flashy.
In my opinion anyway.
Ravi is very talented, will make runs and once he gets going is hard to stop.
Played a season with him at Rockingham Mandurah and he was clocking up tons with ease. His biggest issue and sometime his strength, his across the line fetish.
He just loves to whip the ball, short and full. It can score him alot of runs or make him look very silly. When he plays straight, he's exceptional.
mansize rooster
1 Aug 2009, 01:42
its really not on comparing this guy to junior lol
Ill Chicken
1 Aug 2009, 01:53
Mark Waugh versus Sri Lanka in his first series against hem; http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/8189.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting;view=innings ;year=1992
Ravi Bopara versus Sri Lanka in his first series against them;http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/10582.html?class=1;host=8;template=results;type=batting;view =innings
King Elvis
1 Aug 2009, 10:55
Mark Waugh versus Sri Lanka in his first series against hem; http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/8189.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting;view=innings ;year=1992
Ravi Bopara versus Sri Lanka in his first series against them;http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/10582.html?class=1;host=8;template=results;type=batting;view =innings
Any particular reason why you chose a series against Sri Lanka?
ShearMagic9
1 Aug 2009, 11:24
He's talented, but like with all players, being talented doesn't make you any good.
If he receives the right coaching he can do a job. However, I don't think it's at number 3.
DoubleO7
1 Aug 2009, 13:11
A very lazy bastmen me thinks. Doesn't get right behind the line of the ball. Needs to tighten up on some of his defensive shots as well. That's how he lost his wicket (chopped on from a back foot block), IIRC? Like others have alluded to, plays across the line far too often.
If Bopara tightens up on his technique, then maybe, England might see some reward against quality opposition. Until then though, it's sailing in stormy seas.
He's talented, but like with all players, being talented doesn't make you any good.
If he receives the right coaching he can do a job. However, I don't think it's at number 3.
He's talented in some areas of his batting.
But his technique trying to defend the ball is simply awful. It's like watching an U13s technique.
Long way to go - and he's been exposed. Ideally you'd drop him and send him back to county level to tighten his game up, but what replacements are there? I mean Ian Bell was the next cab off the rank. Mustn't be much else of note.
I think he should develop down the order and move back to 3 when his defensive technique has improved.
Ill Chicken
1 Aug 2009, 14:41
Any particular reason why you chose a series against Sri Lanka?
Just the ducks.
ShearMagic9
1 Aug 2009, 18:17
He's talented in some areas of his batting.
But his technique trying to defend the ball is simply awful. It's like watching an U13s technique.
Long way to go - and he's been exposed. Ideally you'd drop him and send him back to county level to tighten his game up, but what replacements are there? I mean Ian Bell was the next cab off the rank. Mustn't be much else of note.
Exactly.
His flaws in his technique weren't apparent against the weaker sides, but I have no doubt that they'll be working on them.
Needs to improve soon though.
TheColeTrain
1 Aug 2009, 20:43
Any particular reason why you chose a series against Sri Lanka?
And how is it even relevant?
MushroomRocket
1 Aug 2009, 23:14
If he gets his head right he can become better than pietersen. just that lazy shot like clarke/ganguly just before they got dropped early in their careers.
he might not play well now but if he gets dropped from this i think he will come back stronger like clarke.
Ill Chicken
2 Aug 2009, 12:47
And how is it even relevant?
They're both successful against WI and both poor against SL. Obviously saying they're comparable in the way that they're both touch players, obviously liking the ball coming on.
delirious1
2 Aug 2009, 22:21
He'll come good in a few months, talent is there, very big gamble to play a young bloke at spot 3 however
Grimwood
2 Aug 2009, 22:44
England have to go for raw talent, there just aren't any fully formed, class batsmen waiting in the wings.
His epic fail as a batsman gets cancelled out with Hussey in our team.
Should ideally swap positions with Bell for the next Test.
Jordan...
5 Aug 2009, 00:26
He looks very lazy.
Looks like another sub-par county cricketer.
Used to it from England now aren't we?
I didn't watch the West Indies series but he's looking very very ordinary.
He's a bit arrogant and up himself. There was an article from Warney saying that he doesn't have what it takes to be where he is. He's also a bit of a sook, always sticking around the crease until he's given out.
Bennycoff
5 Aug 2009, 21:49
Could become a very good cricketer, but seriously has to alter his attitude. Is a sook and is mentally fragile. McGrath and Warne would have loved having Bell and Ravi in the same side.
King Elvis
6 Aug 2009, 00:52
I didn't watch the West Indies series but he's looking very very ordinary.
He's a bit arrogant and up himself. There was an article from Warney saying that he doesn't have what it takes to be where he is. He's also a bit of a sook, always sticking around the crease until he's given out.
Warney was saying in an earlier Test that during a County game, he sledged Bopara constantly, and the guy couldn't handle it and lost it - Warney doesn't sound like a fan at all.
If you saw his century celebrations against the Windies, the guy is a wanker.
Talented, but lazy with a bad attitude.
Belnakor
6 Aug 2009, 11:54
Warney always has a crack doesn't he - if it doesn't work he just shuts up, but you can imagine him chirping at Bopara and destroying him over the course of a series.
JimDocker
6 Aug 2009, 12:18
Bopara to me plays some beautiful strokes, but he seriously needs to tighten up defensively to last in test cricket. I believe England are batting him too high in the order at the moment but not sure what the alternative is other than to push Collingwood up.
I did see one of his hundreds against the Windies and it was gorgeous but the bowling was average. So far in this series, a lot of the Australian bowling has been average as well.
Warney was saying in an earlier Test that during a County game, he sledged Bopara constantly, and the guy couldn't handle it and lost it - Warney doesn't sound like a fan at all.
If you saw his century celebrations against the Windies, the guy is a wanker.
Talented, but lazy with a bad attitude.
I certainly did see that, but not much of the actual series. Straight away turned me off and that's why I label him as arrogant.
TheColeTrain
6 Aug 2009, 16:38
Probably the most over hyped player we have seen for some years.
Average at best
Last night was his softest dismissal of the series so far, which is really saying something.
Bopara has oodles of talent, but is not a test number 3's arsehole at the moment.
He is surely the only player ever to get 3 ducks in a row, and then get 3 tons in a row, all in the space of 6 innings?
eagledream
8 Aug 2009, 13:30
i'm going to go down the line of he's shit.. that dismissal last night was appalling for a guy batting at 3.
Should ideally swap positions with Bell for the next Test.
He shouldn't even be in the team.
Love the new user, Phil. :)
He reminds me a bit of Yuvraj Singh. Has tabs on himself with little reason. He has skill but no work ethic. Personally I think he'll come good but he needs to work harder.
spookism
8 Aug 2009, 15:01
Has been is absolutely found out this series. Mentally weak it would seem. Typical English over-rating of their 'stars.'
The only new English player that has deserved any where near the hype they have received coming into this series is probably Onions.
TheColeTrain
8 Aug 2009, 17:26
dud of the highest order, I would be embarassed if he was batting no.3 for Australia
Cooldude
8 Aug 2009, 19:41
He is surely the only player ever to get 3 ducks in a row, and then get 3 tons in a row, all in the space of 6 innings?
Didn't Ponting do that before, or something similar
TorresIsGod
8 Aug 2009, 19:43
dud of the highest order, I would be embarassed if he was batting no.3 for Australia
Well, thankfully he's English and they have to put up with him.
Didn't Ponting do that before, or something similar
I know he got 3 ducks in a row and then 197. Not sure if he got any more tons in a row. Off to Howstat I go!
EDIT He followed the 197 with 125.
damochandler
8 Aug 2009, 23:29
the only one that thinks he is any good. is himself.. a couple of hundreds against the windies doesnt mean much
spookism
9 Aug 2009, 00:17
I know he got 3 ducks in a row and then 197. Not sure if he got any more tons in a row. Off to Howstat I go!
EDIT He followed the 197 with 125.
Also to note his pair was in 'That' Bellerive test against Pakistan.
(Howstat's a great site isn't it!)
tim_saints
9 Aug 2009, 00:32
The bloke has all the potential in the world i personaly just think number 3 is to high for him number 5 would be an ideal spot for him i think.
England should drop him for the final test, but who can they replace him with? No.3 has long been an achilles heel for england, except for Vaughan's peak 2002-03.
belfast_bomber
9 Aug 2009, 03:57
England should drop him for the final test, but who can they replace him with? No.3 has long been an achilles heel for england, except for Vaughan's peak 2002-03.
They're not the only ones, to be fair.
What the hell are we going to do when Punter takes his bow?
MushroomRocket
9 Aug 2009, 10:00
i just think he's going through a bad patch that will help in the long term. he ego will be smashed right now and the next time he comes back he will take nothing for granted.
many young australian players have been through this and it does one no harm. the thing i find mystifying is how robert key is not playeing in that middle order, i would drop bell and bopara for key and trott, with another batsman coming for anderson.
Definitely should be dropped for Trott. Also Sidebottom in for Anderson.
Is he Test class?
It's hard to say. From doing so well against WI (who are borderline minnows), to performing so woefully against AUS, it's hard to say how good he really is.
He is undeniably flawed, though. Everytime I see him, he looks vulnerable and shaky. From playing loose shots away from his body to playing across the line...the boy clearly has some issues to fix up.
England should drop him for the final test, but who can they replace him with? No.3 has long been an achilles heel for england, except for Vaughan's peak 2002-03.
He was an opener back then, not a #3.
TorresIsGod
9 Aug 2009, 17:10
They're not the only ones, to be fair.
What the hell are we going to do when Punter takes his bow?
Shane Watson Mr. BB
King Elvis
9 Aug 2009, 17:34
Is he Test class?
It's hard to say. From doing so well against WI (who are borderline minnows), to performing so woefully against AUS, it's hard to say how good he really is.
He is undeniably flawed, though. Everytime I see him, he looks vulnerable and shaky. From playing loose shots away from his body to playing across the line...the boy clearly has some issues to fix up.
As I said, he looks to have talent, but he has a terrible temperament, is lazy and ill-disciliplined and seems to believe he's a lot better than he is.
As I said, he looks to have talent, but he has a terrible temperament, is lazy and ill-disciliplined and seems to believe he's a lot better than he is.
Not great traits for a number 3..
I guess against better opposition, he struggles. I doubt he'll get dropped though. Give him enough chances and he'll probably get a decent score (although the same can be said of any batsman).
Jordan...
11 Aug 2009, 00:59
I guess against better opposition, he struggles. I doubt he'll get dropped though. Give him enough chances and he'll probably get a decent score (although the same can be said of any batsman).
Ian Bell for one. :p