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EagleBlue
12 Mar 2003, 23:33
This great piece of "journilism" from Martin Blake of The Age

Ricky Ponting is one lucky hombre to have escaped a ticking off, a fine or a suspension over his sledging of Chris Cairns in Tuesday's World Cup match against New Zealand.

It simply doesn't matter what Ponting said, whether it was "a bit of friendly banter" as the national one-day captain suggested, or something more serious than that as it undoubtedly looked to be.

It doesn't matter that Cairns might have said something to Ponting earlier, as has been suggested, or that Cairns was quoted in the press recently as saying - rather provocatively - that Ponting was an "unproven international captain".

These are reasons for the tension, but not excuses for what happened. There is always tension in cricket at this level, and there are always reasons for the flare-ups that occur. But they don't excuse the result and they can't be allowed to excuse it. Otherwise we have anarchy.

Cricket has a real problem if it allows dismissed batsmen to be treated in such a manner, when they have no comeback. One day, a batsman will lash out physically in such circumstances, and not surprisingly either, when you combine the natural disappointment of being dismissed with a gobful of abuse from an opponent.

Cairns did himself no favours by complaining to umpire Steve Bucknor as he departed, for he merely looked like a schoolboy tattler. But having lost his wicket already, he scarcely deserved the follow-up treatment from Ponting. It is like a boxer hitting when his man has already fallen. Classy sportsmen and women don't do it.

Australian cricket has expressed concern about the image of the national team. A lot of people say the players come across as bullies who cannot cop it when someone from another team gives them a little of their own medicine. Strictly speaking it is not so, for most of the time their behaviour is impeccable; people tend to jump on the little incidents. But it is little wonder that people make the assumption when Ponting is losing his wick like this. Australia has won 14 consecutive matches, is virtually unchallenged at the top of the cricketing tree. It doesn't need to put the boots into anyone.

Ranjan Madugalle, the match referee, is at fault. Madugalle is a delightful character, a former Sri Lankan captain and an astute judge of cricket. But he is too soft in the way he interprets behaviour. Three years ago at the SCG, Glenn McGrath ran off his line to scream in the face of Sachin Tendulkar in his exuberance at having dismissed the best batsman in the world with a beautiful piece of bowling. Madugalle called in McGrath and ticked him off, but there was no report. The referee has a history of liberal interpretation.

What Ponting did the other night was to give licence to every kid at every level of cricket to give the next batsman they dismiss a nice old verbal send-off. By this weekend, he could conceivably be Australia's Test captain.

His feistiness is fine, for we cannot take his magnificent ability to hook bouncers off his nose to the boundary and then expect him to be a choirboy as well. But there are limits. For someone about to step into the captaincy, it was not good enough.

Ponting stepped across the metaphorical line because it was a premeditated attack on Cairns. When Cairns sliced a catch down to the third-man boundary, Ponting ran 10 or 15 metres off his normal line towards the batsman to deliver the spray, then headed off towards the celebrating mob. He knew exactly what he was doing.

NOW FOR MY COMMENT

Well I dont approve of giving sendoffs, (particularly captains) BUT Cairns got what he deserved. Shooting his mouth off in the press about how Ponting hasnt measured up as a cricket captain AND that the team was better off without Steve Waugh AND that he was approaching his best form and looking forward to getting up the aussies. Then he complained to the umpire, what a sook. Not only that I have seen several examples throughout the summer where batsman have been given sendoffs. (That includes Tendulkar). Why do people always have to look for reasons to knock this side. OK our behaviour could do with a bit of improvement but when every Tom, **** and Harry are looking at every minor incident to bring you down it makes it hard. Could it be that Mr Blake was masquerading as one of those "poor unfortunate" St George batsman that walked off the field after copping some sleding. Either that or he has never been out on a cricket field in his life. ( Or is really Mike Sheehan who has never played any kind of sport in his life !!!!)

JUBJUB
13 Mar 2003, 07:07
I loved it that Ponting gave the over rated one a send-off.
Apart getting drunk,thrown out of a nightclub and fined,has Cairns done anything in this would cup ? He's fielding is as woeful as his batting and bowling.

kaysee
13 Mar 2003, 12:29
Yep couldn't believe that No2 when I read it this morning.

Talk about tall poppy syndrome. Ponting better watch out becasue now both the Waughs are out (and doubt on Steve's future) and Warne is out for the next year, the Journo's need a new target to rip down. Pontings eventful past, betting habits, and being current Australian captain make him and obvious target.

I just hope he doesn't slip into a form slump otherwise the Journo's will have a real field day.

I think the Journo who wrote that article is just out to make name for himself.

Good on 'Punter' I think. Cairns was keen to dish it out leading up to the game and no doubt would have a had a few words we a smacked a few boundaries, but when he cops it back he has a cry about it.

SKC

Jars458
13 Mar 2003, 12:37
The Australian Captain should set better standards of behaviour than that

And then to laugh about it at the press conference made it worse.

red+black
13 Mar 2003, 12:38
cairns deserved it, nuff said.

RogerC
13 Mar 2003, 13:27
I don't see any problem with criticising Ponting. His action was a perfect example of the kind of behaviour the ICC say they'd like to remove from cricket. It ought to be policed wherever and whenever it happens, and coming from the captain, it does warrant some attention.

I certainly can't see the point of going on about what Cairns said in the press. The media has been the frontline of Australia's attack on opposition sides, especially those coming to play over here. The start of every summer brings talk of Warne's and McGrath's bunnies, with active co-operation from the Australian team. Waugh has taken the lead on de-constructing the psyche of visiting teams, usually starting with the captain. And good on them all for doing it. But when somebody tries the same treatment on us, there's no use being thin-skinned about it.

And if that was the motive behind Ponting's send-off of Cairns, it shows poor spirit on his behalf.

And if we think Cairns is a sook for complaining to the umpire, do we feel the same about Gilchrist?

ozzult
13 Mar 2003, 15:48
Originally posted by RogerC

And if we think Cairns is a sook for complaining to the umpire, do we feel the same about Gilchrist?

Did Cairns mate get suspended for 5 matches for a similar event only a few weeks before?

K9-54
13 Mar 2003, 16:46
I presume Blake would have preferred Ponting to have sledged Cairns in the press - returning like with like?

I'm not against some sledging on the field as long as it is not overt. Ponting's was overt and therefore I don't think should be encouraged. But the circumstances surrounding Cairns called for a sledge so I felt it appropriate he got a send-off - I just wish it was better disguised.

scmods
13 Mar 2003, 17:45
there really was ****-all in it - just a couple of words as he ran past. I guess Martin Blake really wanted to write about the issue so he needed an "incident" to start on.

But honestly - who even noticed it before the replay? When I saw Cairns talking to the umpire on the way off my first thought was that maybe the Australians had too many outside the circle or something and he thought it should have been a no-ball.

RogerC
13 Mar 2003, 20:26
I tell you now, Ozzult; if, for example, Yousef Youhana had been given 5 weeks for racist sledging, and then Latif had complained to an umpire about being vilified by, say, Ricky Ponting - in other words if the shoe were on the other foot - we would not hear the bloody end of it on here - Pakistani sooks, payback, making it all up, sticking up for each other etc etc.

That's just the way we see things in this country.

And scmods, it was remarked upon in the radio broadcast as it happened - a bit of tut-tutting, and then the reflection that given the umpire involved it probably wouldn't get reported.

kaysee
14 Mar 2003, 06:57
Originally posted by RogerC

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And if we think Cairns is a sook for complaining to the umpire, do we feel the same about Gilchrist?

Racism is NOT tolerated in any sport however sledging is. Totally different topics to be complaining to the umpire about.

SKC

EagleBlue
14 Mar 2003, 08:08
Originally posted by kaysee
Racism is NOT tolerated in any sport however sledging is. Totally different topics to be complaining to the umpire about.

SKC

What he said !!!!!

I think some of you have missed the point. Like I said, what Ponting did was probably wrong BUT I sick and tired of "the gutter trash" (the media) looking at ways to sink the boot in everytime we trangsress, yet other countries are doing the same and not a word is said. I have seen Australian batsmen given sendoffs this summer yet this Blake clown doesnt mention that. Then he also gave the match referee a serve. Madugalle would have been made aware of the incident, what was said, what the lead-up to the sendoff was, and more importantly what the Umpires, Fleming and Cairns thought, all facts that Blake has missed and doesnt have access to. If Madugalle had thought the incident warranted a report, believe me he would have, given the overrule by the ICC (Incompetent Cricket council !!!) over the Lehmann incident. And to compare the Latif incident to this is outrageous. Latif was alleged to have racially abused Gilchrist, no place in the game for this, particularly the ill-feeling it created between the 2 players afterwards . Ponting and Cairns had a laugh about their "confrontation" after the game.
Would have been interesting to see what would happened if the sledging had been pointed at Graham Smith though

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