Warne calls for end to one-day cricket

[MerryHell]

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/419970.html

"Shane Warne has called for the end of one-day cricket, saying that the 50-over format has "passed its sell-by date". He is of the opinion that teams should play only Test and Twenty20 cricket with a World Twenty20 being held every two years."

Agree with you 100% Warney

[Adrian Shelton]

Nup, dumb cricket for dumb people. i want 20/20 dead in 5 yrs tops

[bigburger]

Good ODI is crap these days but then again so is T20.

[deledio7]

Yeah I like ODI's but it seems they are losing interest. Warneys probably right.

I hate twenty20 cricket so I hope that dies off. Unfortunately I don't think it will.

[Plogs]

Nup, dumb cricket for dumb people. i want 20/20 dead in 5 yrs tops

Agree with this but it won't happen soon. Just look at commercial TV & radio. They will peddle this (20/20) to the simpletons for the next 20 years.

[King Elvis]

Unfortunately, I think he's right :(

I don't like Twenty20 at all; but I think it's pretty obvious it's the main format of the shortened game.

[SriLankanCat]

world cup in one dya cricket is the most prestigous tournament.

no way the icc will lose that!

twenty twenty world cup is a novelty, no one really cares!

[tribey]

Hate Twenty20 but that's where the money is. ODIs are like the goose and the golden eggs - overplayed to the point they're irrelevant.

Seriously, who gives a shit about 7-game series?

Instantly forgettable - who remembers individual ODIs if they don't include Michael Bevan straight driving the winning runs, Mick Lewis getting creamed or South Africa choking on the big stage?

Tests and Twenty20 is the future. Frees up the calendar and allows more money to flow through the game.

[Blue Dimension]

I still think ODI's have a future. Although I must confess I really don't have much of an interest for ODI cricket anymore.

But i maintain that it should be a 40 over game as opposed to a 50 over game. Cut out 10 of the boring middle overs.

[bigburger]

I think a lot of it is to do with the mind set of the players. If they realised that they are a lot of the time getting good scores for ODI's in T20 then why not transfer that style of play over to ODI. I think the only way this will happen is if they abolish the 50 over format and slowly increas the amount of overs played.

Oh and even though one dayers are boring as bat shit on Telly they are still the best form of cricket to actually go and watch live imo.

[MerryHell]

Nup, dumb cricket for dumb people. i want 20/20 dead in 5 yrs tops

So Warney is dumb is he?

Agree with this but it won't happen soon. Just look at commercial TV & radio. They will peddle this (20/20) to the simpletons for the next 20 years.

See above.

world cup in one dya cricket is the most prestigous tournament.

no way the icc will lose that!

twenty twenty world cup is a novelty, no one really cares!

One-day was novelty when Packer started it.

Hate Twenty20 but that's where the money is. ODIs are like the goose and the golden eggs - overplayed to the point they're irrelevant.

Seriously, who gives a shit about 7-game series?

Instantly forgettable - who remembers individual ODIs if they don't include Michael Bevan straight driving the winning runs, Mick Lewis getting creamed or South Africa choking on the big stage?

Tests and Twenty20 is the future. Frees up the calendar and allows more money to flow through the game.

If I want to watch a day of purist cricket, give me a test-match.
If I want a quick-fix of crash-and-bash, give me Twenty-20.
One-day will go the way of the dinosaur. Warney predicts so. :D

[Hawks1523]

No thanks. I'd much rather watch an ODI then this bullshit served up being called T20.

Unfortunately I seem to be in a minority on that, and think ODI's will slowly die out. :(

[Simon_Nesbit]

Cricket Fans = Test >>>>>>>> ODI >> 20/20
General Public = 20/20 >>>>>>> ODI >>>>>>>>>>Test

For every one genuine cricket fan, there are 99 with just a passing interest.

4 hours is a sporting 'event' - 5 days is hardcore.

Cricket is business now (and has been for 20+ years) = it will follow the money.

[bigburger]

Cricket is business now (and has been for 20+ years) = it will follow the money.

And rightly so. Lucky for us cricket lovers, Test Matches will never be discontinued so we may as well put up with that.

[Wallaby]

Cricket is business now (and has been for 20+ years) = it will follow the money.

Nothing more needed to be said here.

I predict 10/10 games in about 5 years - probabably played as a One-Day tournament.

[damochandler]

odi will stay for a long time. 20/20 cricket i doubt it will. 20/20 is becoming boring and they have flogged it to death. test's and one day cricket are the back bone of the sport right now. 20/20 has lost it's glamour

[King Elvis]

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=851007


Full article there.

For all of his stupidity, Warney is a very astute, very intelligent man.

[ashley12]

Nothing more needed to be said here.

I predict 10/10 games in about 5 years - probabably played as a One-Day tournament.

This...

And lets be honest, who wouldnt go down to a format such as this... 4 teams, all played in one day...

10/10 schedule...

Australia vs England
South Africa vs India

20 minute break

Australia vs India
South Africa vs England

20 minute break

England vs India
Australia vs South Africa

20 minute break
GRAND FINAL

Games would take about an hour and a half, and because there are four teams involved, there are no need for massive breaks between certain games...

All starts about 10am in the morning and plays through the day... with the final at night...

This is pretty similar to rubgy 7's festivals, but however, I do think that these will be forgettable soon enough as well, but with the majority of cricket fans being pretty simple then they will be pretty popular...

[Zeke]

Dump T20 and ODI and bring in 33/33.

[krusden]

odi will stay for a long time. 20/20 cricket i doubt it will. 20/20 is becoming boring and they have flogged it to death. test's and one day cricket are the back bone of the sport right now. 20/20 has lost it's glamour

didn't they have both sponsorship and tv drop offs in the IPl this year?

also people: 1) warne is saying this on Cricinfo which loves T20 and 2) warne has a ve$ted interest in T20 continuing strongly don't ya think?

It will be interesting how the next IPL goes in order to gauge the long term interest that is around for the tournament.... I love cricket but hell even I was a bit disinterested in it this year.

[bunsen burner]

Cricket Fans = Test >>>>>>>> ODI >> 20/20
General Public = 20/20 >>>>>>> ODI >>>>>>>>>>Test

For every one genuine cricket fan, there are 99 with just a passing interest.

4 hours is a sporting 'event' - 5 days is hardcore.

Cricket is business now (and has been for 20+ years) = it will follow the money.
Not quite true.

Genuine cricket fan = Test >>>>>>>>> any another shorter format

A few points:

1. ODI sucks balls. Past its used by date. 15 overs of charge, 25 overs of watching grass grow, 10 overs of charge. Boring and predictable

2. Whilst genuine fans know cricket is about tests, the masses don't get it. They are used to their sports matches being over in 2-4 hours. T20 is the perfect vehicle to introduce more people into cricket.

3. IPL has revolutionised the game. It's like most other sports where it's a league of teams rather than country versus country. Teams consist of players from many different nationalities. This is a good thing for cricket.

4. Also good for cricket is the earning power of players. Players in the IPL getting silly money will attract talent.

Warney is right. ODI's used by date has passed. Their should be just 2 forms: Tests for the people who understand cricket properly and for the players to show how good they really are, T20 to get people interested (and for sub-continent people who don't really get cricket!
).

[bunsen burner]

odi will stay for a long time. 20/20 cricket i doubt it will. 20/20 is becoming boring and they have flogged it to death. test's and one day cricket are the back bone of the sport right now. 20/20 has lost it's glamour
errr, No.

1. The power in IC has shifted from Australia (and England to a lesser degree) to the subcontinent (mainly India). Those f***ers loved ODI and now they love 20/20 even more. A billion people who love 20/20. It's not going anywhere.

2. ODI has been losing it's glamour over the last decade and it's nearly dead. Don't be surprised if sub-continent teams start refusing to play ODI's. There will be pressure from stakeholders of t20 to wind down ODI and concentrate on T20.

ODI is a dead duck. Good riddance. We only have room for one pijama party and let that be T20.

[Furn]

im over T20, its too much of a crapshoot. You could play 5 T20 world cups in a row and get 5 different winners.

ODI is more of a test of cricket ability. Generally the best side will win in the end.

The problem with ODI's isnt the game but the format. There's just too many meaningless series going on. Who honestly cares who wins the 7 games series between Eng and Aus coming up?

These games need to count for something. If it was up to me i'd make a league where everyone plays a 5 games series against everyone else over 2 years and then have a finals series of best of 5 between the top 4 instead of a world cup.

You could also have the bottom 2 teams relegated and replaced by 2 from the lower leagues. The current ODI world cup is too long and then comes down to a knock out semi and final anyway. You want to see the top teams play a series to see who is really the best.

Also i would have T20 played only in IPL and domestic cricket, except for the world cup. Keep it more of a rarity at international level and give domestic cricket a boost.

[bunsen burner]

Nothing more needed to be said here.

I predict 10/10 games in about 5 years - probabably played as a One-Day tournament.
10/10 will never happen. Very rare that you can bowl a side out in 10 overs.

20/20 evolved because there's 25 overs in the middle of a ODI which waste everyone's time. Tapping the ball around at 3 runs an over whilst the spinners are playing.

The trend you can see of the game shortening and shortening will not continue. The only conceivable thing that may happen is T20 be extended to 25 overs making it a bit harder that going flat out every innings.

[damochandler]

errr, No.

1. The power in IC has shifted from Australia (and England to a lesser degree) to the subcontinent (mainly India). Those f***ers loved ODI and now they love 20/20 even more. A billion people who love 20/20. It's not going anywhere.

2. ODI has been losing it's glamour over the last decade and it's nearly dead. Don't be surprised if sub-continent teams start refusing to play ODI's. There will be pressure from stakeholders of t20 to wind down ODI and concentrate on T20.

ODI is a dead duck. Good riddance. We only have room for one pijama party and let that be T20.


err, no

people are starting to get sick of 20/20 cricket. it was great when it was on just as a small package. the ipl was good the first year. but that dropped off this year. the 20/20 wc was not much to look at either. odi will be around for another 10 at least. i dont know if 20/20 will be

[bunsen burner]

err, no

people are starting to get sick of 20/20 cricket.Says who? You and your skippy mates? I guess you're not aware of the 100s of thousands of Indians who have rock hard hard-ons for 20/20.

Sick of 20/20. Get your hand off it. There's much bigger forces in world cricket than a small country of 20m people who have yet to taken a shine to 20/20.


it was great when it was on just as a small package. the ipl was good the first year. but that dropped off this year. the 20/20 wc was not much to look at either. odi will be around for another 10 at least. i dont know if 20/20 will be"Dropped off"? "Not much to look at"? You're pitting your personal opinion against a billion head wobblers. They will win out.

[Subaru Impreza]

id rather Australia host 7 T20 matches in a summer than host 7 ODI matches.

Think they need to scrap the rule where a maximum of 2 T20 can be played in a home series

[J-Train]

This...

And lets be honest, who wouldnt go down to a format such as this... 4 teams, all played in one day...

10/10 schedule...

Australia vs England
South Africa vs India

20 minute break

Australia vs India
South Africa vs England

20 minute break

England vs India
Australia vs South Africa

20 minute break
GRAND FINAL

Games would take about an hour and a half, and because there are four teams involved, there are no need for massive breaks between certain games...

All starts about 10am in the morning and plays through the day... with the final at night...

This is pretty similar to rubgy 7's festivals, but however, I do think that these will be forgettable soon enough as well, but with the majority of cricket fans being pretty simple then they will be pretty popular...


I sincerely hope this does not happen, because if it does, we will only see the cream of international cricketers feature in test matches as ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE could shape up in a 10-10 format and the top players will not waste their time with this. 11 handy club cricketers could go up against a second string international side full of state and provincial strugglers and give them up run for their money in a 10 over format. If i want to see ridiculous shot selection, blokes swinging to cow corner every shot and fielders stationed out on all points of the boundary, I'll go and watch D-grade cricket down at the local park.

Aside from test matches, which are the ultimate in testing a players skills and abilities, 50 over one-dayers are the next best thing where you can actually see a skilled batsman forge out an innings without having to close his eyes and swing wildly at anything coming his way. Bowlers also have 10 overs to get rhythm and think their way to a wicket, rather than just stroll in and roll the arm over knowing that no matter what he sends down the batsman will be having a woolly-woof at it.

20-20 is for people that want entertainment, but aren't that keen on the actual sport of cricket. I hope it dies off because it's ruining the game. I want to see the best cricketers ply their trade, not a bunch of blokes that have a good eye and can hack a ball over the fence when they get lucky.

Give me a sweetly timed Michael Clarke cover drive that goes all the way to the fence along the carpet over some plonker swatting a ball over the fence with an ugly cross bat swipe with his eyes closed.

:)

[damochandler]

Says who? You and your skippy mates? I guess you're not aware of the 100s of thousands of Indians who have rock hard hard-ons for 20/20.

Sick of 20/20. Get your hand off it. There's much bigger forces in world cricket than a small country of 20m people who have yet to taken a shine to 20/20.

"Dropped off"? "Not much to look at"? You're pitting your personal opinion against a billion head wobblers. They will win out.


last time i looked. india isnt the only country that plays cricket.

[VicO]

Warne = headline junkie.

ODI cricket is in trouble, doesn't mean we should scrap the whole thing at the drop of a hat.

Meaningless 7 match ODI series should be binned ASAP though.

[King Elvis]

7 ODIs against England is bloody ridiculous though, and reeks of pure profiteering, with no concern for the game itself.

It should be a maximum of 5 matches per ODI Series.

[bunsen burner]

Says who? You and your skippy mates? I guess you're not aware of the 100s of thousands of Indians who have rock hard hard-ons for 20/20.

Sick of 20/20. Get your hand off it. There's much bigger forces in world cricket than a small country of 20m people who have yet to taken a shine to 20/20.

"Dropped off"? "Not much to look at"? You're pitting your personal opinion against a billion head wobblers. They will win out.


last time i looked. india isnt the only country that plays cricket.
We have 20m people, they have 1b. Our say is almost inconsequential, shame you're too short sighted to realise it. Afterall, it is very very obvious.

1. Demand is controlled by that 1b people. They like T20
2. TV rights etc in the country of 1b people controls decision making
3. The money created and offered in that country of 1b people largely influences the decision making of international cricketers
4. Stake holders in the t20 game have money and power and therefore influence. They will be putting pressure on the ODI to become redundant.

It's a no brainer. It's going to happen. Get used to it. T20's future is all but guaranteed, ODI far from guaranteed.

[tribey]

last time i looked. india isnt the only country that plays cricket.

Chuck in Pakistan and England. They're mad for T20. It's out of our hands.

[hamG]

I love the world cup, that being the one day format. It does not have to be kill one form of the game for another to thrive, as stated we have been over exposed to ODI's for a little while. Axe 50% of the ODI's and replace them with T20's.

Play best of 3 only for ODI and T20. Best of 5 should be restricted to the most elite level of test cricket eg ashes and vs india.

The endless VB style series has dulled the enjoyment of ODI's - I think the same thing would happen to T20 over a decade. As strange as it sounds if T20 took over it wouldn't take long for us all to be saying 'gee I wish we could watch some real cricket shots being played rather than endless tonking, and what happened to bowlers? wouldn't it be great if we had a short form of game where we could watch great bowling'.

[VicO]

World Cup could do with less games and less minnows. Needs a bit of an overhaul.

[King Elvis]

I love the world cup, that being the one day format. It does not have to be kill one form of the game for another to thrive, as stated we have been over exposed to ODI's for a little while. Axe 50% of the ODI's and replace them with T20's.

Play best of 3 only for ODI and T20. Best of 5 should be restricted to the most elite level of test cricket eg ashes and vs india.

The endless VB style series has dulled the enjoyment of ODI's - I think the same thing would happen to T20 over a decade. As strange as it sounds if T20 took over it wouldn't take long for us all to be saying 'gee I wish we could watch some real cricket shots being played rather than endless tonking, and what happened to bowlers? wouldn't it be great if we had a short form of game where we could watch great bowling'.

I love Cricket, and The Ashes are the pinnacle, I love ODIs as well, but when we play a Series with 7 games in it, but the 4th or 5th game, I've basically had enough. I'll still watch it if I had nothing else to do, but I wont care as much.

[Simon_Nesbit]

How's this for an idea:

Test matches = play 12 each year. (60 days cricket).
Divisions of 4. Play each team in your division 2 times at home, 2 times away.
1v2 playoff in 3-test series for World Champion. (15 days)
3v4 playoff for relegation. (Next Div 1v2 for promotion, 3v4 for relegation).

ODI = Play 18 each year (18 days cricket)
Divisions of 4. Play each team in your division 3 times at home, 3 times away.
1v2 playoff in 5-Match series for World Champion. (5 days)
3v4 playoff for relegation. (Next Div 1v2 for promotion, 3v4 for relegation).

20/20 = Play 24 each year (24 days cricket)
Divisions of 4. Play each team in your division 4 times at home, 4 times away.
1v2 playoff in 7-match series for World Champion. (7 days)
3v4 playoff for relegation. (Next Div 1v2 for promotion, 3v4 for relegation).

If you played every game, and every test went 5 days, there's about 130 days play = about 1/3 of the year. Probably about level with now.

By limiting divisions to 4, you develop 'levels' of play - Australia for example wouldn't need to play against 'minnows' - which conversely wouldn't get smashed by playing out of their league. Two good years is enough to go from bottom to top (or equally two bad years to go from top to bottom).

Every year there are three world champions: Test, ODI and 20/20.

(Of course once $$$ get involved, this nice, even competition gets totally messed up).

[TheBrownlowMan37]

Give me a sweetly timed Michael Clarke cover drive that goes all the way to the fence along the carpet over some plonker swatting a ball over the fence with an ugly cross bat swipe with his eyes closed.

:)


So true, couldn't have put it better. I couldn't give a shit about India's new 19yr old prospect who's looked like a real hitter in his first few T20 games.

:rolleyes:

I'm glad they're building a future of sloggers who will get out cheaply at test level, when they're not bashing up minnows.

[Dujon11]

So true, couldn't have put it better. I couldn't give a shit about India's new 19yr old prospect who's looked like a real hitter in his first few T20 games.

:rolleyes:

I'm glad they're building a future of sloggers who will get out cheaply at test level, when they're not bashing up minnows.

20/20 are a novelty, good to go to for a laugh but surely cannot be considered a serious form of the game.

[Adrian Shelton]

Once the asia v the rest split finally happens they can have all the 20/20 they want and the rest of us can play real cricket

[King Elvis]

Once the asia v the rest split finally happens they can have all the 20/20 they want and the rest of us can play real cricket

Can't happen soon enough then.

So true, couldn't have put it better. I couldn't give a shit about India's new 19yr old prospect who's looked like a real hitter in his first few T20 games.

:rolleyes:

I'm glad they're building a future of sloggers who will get out cheaply at test level, when they're not bashing up minnows.

Honestly, between the type of batsmen T20 will produce, and the next generation of spinners (who will all be chuckers), Cricket is going to be rooted anyway.

We just have to enjoy guys like Punter & Pup while we can.

[bunsen burner]

Once the asia v the rest split finally happens they can have all the 20/20 they want and the rest of us can play real cricketMany of our top players will be playing in their break away series because the money will be too good to refuse. That will leave the rest of us with a B-grade competition. Sound familiar?

Unfortunately they have the money and thus the power and we will have to bend over to them to a degree. Just picture the ICC bending over to an Indian guy with a moustache and wobbling his head. He our daddy.

[bobmurphy2]

Ever since 20-20 came in, I said that one day cricket wouldn't last. IMO, we should do away with 20-20 cricket, it is not cricket, it is more like baseball. Sure it's fun for the fans, although for the real cricket fans, it can't be compared to test cricket.

[pluga_4]

How's this for an idea:

Test matches = play 12 each year. (60 days cricket).
Divisions of 4. Play each team in your division 2 times at home, 2 times away.
1v2 playoff in 3-test series for World Champion. (15 days)
3v4 playoff for relegation. (Next Div 1v2 for promotion, 3v4 for relegation).

ODI = Play 18 each year (18 days cricket)
Divisions of 4. Play each team in your division 3 times at home, 3 times away.
1v2 playoff in 5-Match series for World Champion. (5 days)
3v4 playoff for relegation. (Next Div 1v2 for promotion, 3v4 for relegation).

20/20 = Play 24 each year (24 days cricket)
Divisions of 4. Play each team in your division 4 times at home, 4 times away.
1v2 playoff in 7-match series for World Champion. (7 days)
3v4 playoff for relegation. (Next Div 1v2 for promotion, 3v4 for relegation).

If you played every game, and every test went 5 days, there's about 130 days play = about 1/3 of the year. Probably about level with now.

By limiting divisions to 4, you develop 'levels' of play - Australia for example wouldn't need to play against 'minnows' - which conversely wouldn't get smashed by playing out of their league. Two good years is enough to go from bottom to top (or equally two bad years to go from top to bottom).

Every year there are three world champions: Test, ODI and 20/20.

(Of course once $$$ get involved, this nice, even competition gets totally messed up).


any fresh ideas deserve credit but this wouldn't work.

divisions of 4 are mickey mouse for starters.

and the divisions for tests to odi's to T20I's would differ create a fixturing nightmare.

finals ? what time of year are they and where (all divisions would have to have them at the same time - can't work ...imagine england hosting a final in december or australia hosting the test final in july in cairns.

imagine not having australia and england in the same test division etc? or india in bangladesh's division. i mean bangladesh have never toured india because its no dollars to india.

[Howard Littlejohn]

Wheter is limited to 20 or 50 overs, its a bastardisation of the game. There really is only the room for one shorter form, and the 20 over game looks likely to become it. I won't be shedding any tears if that happens, both limited over games are a mildly entertaining, but ultimately pointless, game.
The real worry is that clown cricket might kill off the real cricket as well.

[bunsen burner]

Wheter is limited to 20 or 50 overs, its a bastardisation of the game. There really is only the room for one shorter form, and the 20 over game looks likely to become it. I won't be shedding any tears if that happens, both limited over games are a mildly entertaining, but ultimately pointless, game.
The real worry is that clown cricket might kill off the real cricket as well.Totally agree.

I have little time for either shortened version but acknowledge that they are good to get people interested to begin with. T20 will survive simply because of the money and stakeholders behind it in the world's largest cricketing environment.

Like you I just hope it doesn't kill or even diminish real/test cricket. Unfortunately that is out of our hands.

[lewigie]

Aren't we having a 7 match ODI series against England?

EDIT: Reading through thread fail.

[MC Bad Genius]

im over T20, its too much of a crapshoot. You could play 5 T20 world cups in a row and get 5 different winners.

ODI is more of a test of cricket ability. Generally the best side will win in the end.



I wonder if BigFooty existed back in the 70s whether this exact comment (with T20 replaced with ODI and ODI replaced with tests) would have been posted?

[Zarrix]

Simple, ODI'S are no longer relevant, and don't really serve a unique purpose anymore. They are like the middle child; Not long enough to be a test of endurance, not short enough to be entertaining to the average, short attention spanned person who isn't drunk. Therefore, I think ODI's are in a terminal decline and will eventually die out, probably by the end of the next decade.

[likka]

ODI was invented purely for business reasons, thus it will die in the same manner.

So Warney is dumb is he?

Warney was a champion cricketer and has a deep knowledge of the game, but there is no doubt he is as thick as two short shits.

Knowledge != Intelligence.

Warney has knowledge due to long term exposure, but he is basically a halfwit who would gave been a garbo if cricket had not worked out.

[bunsen burner]

ODI was invented purely for business reasons, thus it will die in the same manner.



Warney was a champion cricketer and has a deep knowledge of the game, but there is no doubt he is as thick as two short shits.

Knowledge != Intelligence.

Warney has knowledge due to long term exposure, but he is basically a halfwit who would gave been a garbo if cricket had not worked out.Yep.

Most intelligent cricketer I have ever seen. Would have been an exceptional strategic captain.

But on the street he's none too sharp.

[Gibba]

Wow, how funny is it when Australia starts losing 20/20s and ODIs that people in here wants it scrapped. Imagine if Australia remarkably loses the upcoming test match, they'll be calls for the removal of the Ashes as well. I've always had ODIs as my favourite form of the game especially the world cup.

[unstable punt]

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/419970.html

"Shane Warne has called for the end of one-day cricket, saying that the 50-over format has "passed its sell-by date". He is of the opinion that teams should play only Test and Twenty20 cricket with a World Twenty20 being held every two years."

Agree with you 100% Warney

great idea, 50 over games are the biggest bore on the planet

[bunsen burner]

Wow, how funny is it when Australia starts losing 20/20s and ODIs that people in here wants it scrapped. Imagine if Australia remarkably loses the upcoming test match, they'll be calls for the removal of the Ashes as well. I've always had ODIs as my favourite form of the game especially the world cup.That's a silly comment.

We have won the last 3 world cups and 4 in total. The West Indies are next best with 2. We pwn that game. We revolutionised that game. But it's over. It's monotonous and boring. It has to go.

And we have been losing test matches recently. No one is or will be asking for test match cricket to be scrapped.

I suspect you just have a chip on your shoulder because people don't take people like you seriously, ie people who prefer ODI or T20 to test cricket. There's a culture in this country that people like you don't really get cricket. That must eat at you.

[TheBrownlowMan37]

Wow, how funny is it when Australia starts losing 20/20s and ODIs that people in here wants it scrapped. Imagine if Australia remarkably loses the upcoming test match, they'll be calls for the removal of the Ashes as well. I've always had ODIs as my favourite form of the game especially the world cup.

Pathetic statement, you really need to get a grip.

I'd never like T20, no matter how good Australia is or isn't. How can I enjoy watching my favourite players when all they do is smash it around for 20 overs? I'll sit down for a few overs and watch Clarke get 22 off 15 balls, hitting 3 fours before being bowled going for the slog.

Can't wait! :thumbsd:

[MC Bad Genius]

Wow, how funny is it when Australia starts losing 20/20s and ODIs that people in here wants it scrapped. Imagine if Australia remarkably loses the upcoming test match, they'll be calls for the removal of the Ashes as well. I've always had ODIs as my favourite form of the game especially the world cup.

That's a silly comment. If England win the Ashes, it will spark more love for Test matches and a fierce determination to win it back next time (which is exactly what happened last time we lost).

[courtjester]

I'm probably in the minority that prefers 50 over cricket to Twenty20.

Test cricket is untouchable as the greatest, but I'd prefer 50 overs to 20. People talk about how boring overs 10-40 can be in one-dayers, but I like that so called 'boredom'. Sometimes in a one-dayer you can lose early wickets, then the middle order need to consolidate and tough it out in order to make a defendable total (like test match cricket in a way). That's what makes cricket unique as a sport. You can consolidate and potentially win from a lot of different match situations if you're mentally tough enough (and have the skills to do it). Cricket is all about ebb and flow.

Twenty20 in its manic shortness removes that one element that makes cricket the greatest game for me.

[Simon_Nesbit]

ODI cricket was ruined by the fascination for runs.

Absolute roads, boundary ropes, only two bouncers, etc.

Whether influenced by the subcontinent or not, the game has withered away in almost direct inverse relation to the average runs scored.

Provide the odd green-top or 5th day wicket, set the boundary's back (subject to legal issues), remove the limits on bowlers.

[VicO]

I'm probably in the minority that prefers 50 over cricket to Twenty20.

Test cricket is untouchable as the greatest, but I'd prefer 50 overs to 20. People talk about how boring overs 10-40 can be in one-dayers, but I like that so called 'boredom'. Sometimes in a one-dayer you can lose early wickets, then the middle order need to consolidate and tough it out in order to make a defendable total (like test match cricket in a way). That's what makes cricket unique as a sport. You can consolidate and potentially win from a lot of different match situations if you're mentally tough enough (and have the skills to do it). Cricket is all about ebb and flow.

Twenty20 in its manic shortness removes that one element that makes cricket the greatest game for me.
With you here mate, the ability to construct an innings is, for me, what will always keep ODIs ahead of Twenty20s. That said, I've started to enjoy the latter more for what it is, and the IPL is fun in its own way.

[BILC]

Cricket Fans = Test >>>>>>>> ODI >> 20/20
General Public = 20/20 >>>>>>> ODI >>>>>>>>>>Test

For every one genuine cricket fan, there are 99 with just a passing interest.

4 hours is a sporting 'event' - 5 days is hardcore.

Cricket is business now (and has been for 20+ years) = it will follow the money.
Very well summed up

[BILC]

I'm probably in the minority that prefers 50 over cricket to Twenty20.

Test cricket is untouchable as the greatest, but I'd prefer 50 overs to 20. People talk about how boring overs 10-40 can be in one-dayers, but I like that so called 'boredom'. Sometimes in a one-dayer you can lose early wickets, then the middle order need to consolidate and tough it out in order to make a defendable total (like test match cricket in a way). That's what makes cricket unique as a sport. You can consolidate and potentially win from a lot of different match situations if you're mentally tough enough (and have the skills to do it). Cricket is all about ebb and flow.

Twenty20 in its manic shortness removes that one element that makes cricket the greatest game for me.
Most actual cricket fans would much rather watch 50 over cricket than 20 twenty

[Durham Hawks]

whenever there's a bad ODI the whole format cops it. but to be honest there are a lot of uninteresting and one-sided T20's as well that never seem to cop criticism.

once it's "over" in a T20 there's no coming back. australia being poor at the format is a lucky thing because whenever we've been good we've just blasted a big total in the first innings and had the opponent 3-for-not many after 2 overs and game over.

at least if you get into a hole in 50-over cricket there's scope to come back.

[Audacious]

i love warney as much as the next bloke. But i reckon he has got it wrong on this one. ODI's are a much greater spectacle than the slap and tickle 20/20.

The IPL is a joke. How could any Australian, or Englishman or Pakistani give a crap about which Indian city team wins? I have no interest in that competition whatsoever. Its like baseball with cricket rules. Boring.

ODI's allow less agression but still require that element of control to get your eye in and then go the tonk. An innings can be recovered when on the ropes, and a big partnership is actually meaningful. How can anyone forget the world cups we have won, and the dramatic scenes in many games of ODI's. When was the last memorable 20/20 game you watched?

[bunsen burner]

i love warney as much as the next bloke. But i reckon he has got it wrong on this one. ODI's are a much greater spectacle than the slap and tickle 20/20.

The IPL is a joke. How could any Australian, or Englishman or Pakistani give a crap about which Indian city team wins? I have no interest in that competition whatsoever. Its like baseball with cricket rules. Boring.

ODI's allow less agression but still require that element of control to get your eye in and then go the tonk. An innings can be recovered when on the ropes, and a big partnership is actually meaningful. How can anyone forget the world cups we have won, and the dramatic scenes in many games of ODI's. When was the last memorable 20/20 game you watched?This is your personal opinion and it is irrelevant amongst 1b Indians and shitloads of money.

The money is in IPL/T20, the players will follow the money, and we will follow the players.

You also have trouble getting your head around Indian cities - it is no different to the EPL. We don't give a shit about Liverpool as a city but we do care about their football teams - Liverpool and Everton. These cities are mere vehicles for cricket dream teams made up of a mix of international stars. The only difference you may find is Aussies won't grab a team and stick to it. We are more likely to change teams each year depending on where our favourite local players are playing.

T20 is the future of pyjama cricket and given India are now the cricketing superpower we have no choice to watch it. Or not. ODI triangular series is already extinct and the 7 match series after a test series will diminish and eventually die out.

[SBI]

Most actual cricket fans would much rather watch 50 over cricket than 20 twenty

This sort of cricket snobbery is the absolute ****ing pits. "Real" cricket fans can enjoy whatever the **** they like. I consider myself a "real" cricket fan, and I enjoy Twenty20s over ODIs purely because the 10-40 over period for the most part is a position where both sides are happy to be defensive. Any situation where the batting side is content with not taking risks and the bowling side is happy to contain is an unattractive one.

But that could be because I'm not a "real" cricket fan for being entertained by Twenty20s.

[bunsen burner]

This sort of cricket snobbery is the absolute ****ing pits. "Real" cricket fans can enjoy whatever the **** they like. I consider myself a "real" cricket fan, and I enjoy Twenty20s over ODIs purely because the 10-40 over period for the most part is a position where both sides are happy to be defensive. Any situation where the batting side is content with not taking risks and the bowling side is happy to contain is an unattractive one.

But that could be because I'm not a "real" cricket fan for being entertained by Twenty20s.
I think it is however a fair statement to say that real cricket fans prefer test cricket over either of the short forms. Call it snobbery if you like, but the essence of cricket and how players are regarded in the game is test cricket.

Michael Bevan was a great ODI cricketer but he is way down the pecking order because test cricket is what the players respect and hold in ultimate regard.

[SBI]

That wasn't what the statement was. And in any event, you can be a real cricket fan and enjoy whatever format you enjoy. I happen to like test cricket more than the others, but that doesn't make me any more a fan of the game as someone who like ODIs more.

[bunsen burner]

I happen to like test cricket more than the others, but that doesn't make me any more a fan of the game as someone who like ODIs more.Yes it does. If you prefer ODI or T20 you're not really understanding the essence of cricket. it's like saying you're a connoiseur of wine and preferring a cheap cab sav out of a cask.

[likka]

Yes it does. If you prefer ODI or T20 you're not really understanding the essence of cricket. it's like saying you're a connoiseur of wine and preferring a cheap cab sav out of a cask.

We have a few Lambrusca drinkers around here...

[bunsen burner]

We have a few Lambrusca drinkers around here...I've noticed.

[courtjester]

You can prefer whichever form of the shorter game you like.

Test cricket is all that matters. It's not snobbery, it's just fact. If anyone doesn't like test cricket, they're not a cricket fan.

[Adrian Shelton]

Warneys mates the bookies appear to like 20/20 from what ive read the last couple days

[Simon_Nesbit]

Does anyone agree with this concept/statement?

"The lesser the interest in Cricket, the greater the focus on runs"

Essentially the more interested in cricket you are, the more you value a game favouring the ball - generally test cricket.

[Blight von Torp]

I'm a traditionalist - the 50 over game is where it's at.

Seriously though, three quarters of the 20/20 games I've seen were over as a contest a couple of overs into the second innings.

[King Elvis]

Does anyone agree with this concept/statement?

"The lesser the interest in Cricket, the greater the focus on runs"

Essentially the more interested in cricket you are, the more you value a game favouring the ball - generally test cricket.

Kinda... I don't think it's so much favouring the ball, as wanting an even contest between the bat and the ball; the fascination these days with free-flowing, high scoring, aggressive batting is a negative thing for the game.

[Howard Littlejohn]

Does anyone agree with this concept/statement?

"The lesser the interest in Cricket, the greater the focus on runs"

Essentially the more interested in cricket you are, the more you value a game favouring the ball - generally test cricket.
Close. I certainly enjoy cricket more when the batsmen have to fight a bit. Whether that is "favouring the ball", or just not favouring the bat as much as we so often see, is something I guess is a judgement call. Presumably curators and officials feel that the flat pitches of the last 10 years or so are a balance between bat and ball - otherwise they would prepare different pitches.

[bunsen burner]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/08/27/1251001992710.html

PYJAMA cricket, as one-dayers were called at their inception, was further put to sleep when England officials decided to dump the 50-over format from their domestic schedules.
The move is tipped to spark the collapse of 50-over cricket altogether

[likka]

I'm a traditionalist - the 50 over game is where it's at.

Pffft... traditionalist.

Traditional cricket is test cricket, ODI was created for purely business reasons and flogged to death by a media moguls the world over. There is nothing traditional about it. It will die by the same sword that created it.

One day cricket, whether it be the 50 or 20 over variety, exists purely to make money. T20 is currently winning the battle of the dual one day formats, only a matter of time before ODI is relegated further into obscurity, and eventually terminated.

[Cotchin 9]

TBH, I don't mind ODI's, but only in the Australian summer, where you might be at the beach, having a swim at a mates or doing something outdoors then catch a bit of it at night or in the arvo.

[bluesfan95]

Warnie is a legend, but i have to disagree with him here.
Although, i hear where he is coming from, i think we need ODI's,
they may not be as exciting as T20 there are many magical moments
in ODI's.
Dont we talk about Test cricket dying every time summer comes along, it's just something else to fight about.

[Zacisonfire]

I think there is room for ODI's, T20 and Test Cricket. Sure T20 is exciting to watch but I tend not to care abou the result as much as ODI and test cricket just seems like it doesn't take much to influence a game. Plus at least with ODI there is time for the batsman to make century's and the bowlers to take 5 for's!

[Caesar]

England had to dump something - an expanded T20 competition, Pro40, the Gillette Cup AND the county championship was just way too much cricket.

Logical choice when you compare Pro40 to the success of the 50 over game.