View Full Version : The Quinn experiment
Just want an idea of what others out there think.
Quinn has shown enough spark for me to think that he is going to be a very good AFL player, possibly as early as next year.
There is no doubt that he has a natural aptitude for the game.
The question that I ask is, do we really want Quinn playing in our side now?
The fury that I feel when watching Quinn take the ball in space and then wait to handball the ball when the kick was the only option that should be considered is unsurpassed by anything else that I witness on the football field.
Is there any danger that Quinn can learn how to play in the VFL? It is not as though he is running players down (using his considerable pace) and playing an excellent defensive game.
I have used the word liabiliy already once this week, and it was a resounding failure, but surely a player that cannot kick the ball, and virtualy wont, is a liability.
Don't jump down my throat for being overly negative, I feel that this is more than valid. If you think that Quinn adds more than he subtracts at this sage then I would like to hear it.
Edit: SirJimi took the standard big footy path so I have made some slight changes.
SirJimi05
18 Aug 2009, 11:06
Just want an idea of what others out there think.
Quinn has shown enough spark for me to think that he is going to be a very good AFL player, possibly as early as next year.
There is no doubt that he has a natural aptitude for the game.
The question that I ask is, do we really want Quinn playing in our side now?
The fury that I feel when watching Quinn take the ball in space and then wait to handball the ball when the kick was the only option that should be considered is unsurpassed by anything else that I witness on the football field.
Is there any danger that Quinn can learn how to play in the VFL. It is not as though he is running players down (using his considerable pace) and playig an excellent defensive game.
I have used the word liabiliy already once this week, and it was a resounding failure, but surely a player that cannot kick the ball, and virtualy can't, is a liability.
Don't jump down my throat for being overly negative, I feel that this is more than valid. If you think that Quinn adds more than he subtracts at this sage then I would like to hear it.
Fail x 2. :rolleyes:
The kid can kick. Sure we're not talking Andrew Lovett level but from what i've seen, his kicks aren't half bad.
He needs to learn the game though. Too often his teammates find him in a position where an opposition player is on to him immediately (which is when he starts the Shimmying). Kid needs to use his pace more.
Apart from that, I'm not fussed at the moment. He showed some decent from in the VFL. That said, the likes of Jetta, Hocking and Myers are pushing for a spot.
He doesn't know how to read the play or where to run do. There was one point during the Saints game where he was standing on the wing when we were coming out of defence. He took three steps forward, continued on standing there then started jogging back. His skills already seem up to it IMO so that won't be the issue, he needs to learn where/when to lead, how to play with teammates in tight spots etc. He is still a very long way away from that. I can't see him making an impact for two years if he does.
It is not important that he can kick the ball in training or that his skills seem up to it, he doesn't have the confidence to do it and it is to the detriment of the team. Receiving a kick in space and then killing our momentum by waiting to handball is not going to help us make the finals.
I was happy to leave the running, but he does cover a lot of ground going to the wrong spots.
kelvin_sheedy
18 Aug 2009, 11:27
Ideally should be learning to play in the VFL and should not have had any games at AFL this year.
Injuries at the moment mean he might get a game or two. We need to get our balance right between run and play and if we are lacking speed then he might get a game as a guy that can run and pressure.
If Winderlich, Davey, Lovett, Dempsey, Atkinson are in this side at the one time then there's no real reason he should play.
You are right, he does look lost at times but he also has some very good attributes. There's no reason why in a few years time he'll have decent enough skills and his body shape to me suggests it will build up into a very solid unit.
Ideally should be learning to play in the VFL and should not have had any games at AFL this year.
Injuries at the moment mean he might get a game or two. We need to get our balance right between run and play and if we are lacking speed then he might get a game as a guy that can run and pressure.
If Winderlich, Davey, Lovett, Dempsey, Atkinson are in this side at the one time then there's no real reason he should play.
You are right, he does look lost at times but he also has some very good attributes. There's no reason why in a few years time he'll have decent enough skills and his body shape to me suggests it will build up into a very solid unit.
Agree! :thumbsu:
Regarding his "shimmying", gee Brian Taylor's call was funny in the third quarter, along the lines of "he's a funny looking fellow".
i reckon quinny goes alright - for an 18/19yo only having played a handful of games he is pretty awesome for mine.
the best thing for quinny is that he doesn't have to adapt to the new rule changes etc.
jeez BrunoV you'd think we'd lost by 10 goals going by your posts.
Has done well and has not really hurt us any more than other players have with their mistakes.
I think we got a bit lucky with him on Sunday. When he had Gram in the first quarter he had no idea where he was and struggled to pick him up. Thankfully they moved Gilbert to half back and he played Quinn no repsect at all so Quinn was actually able to do something dangerous at times.
The fury that I feel when watching Quinn take the ball in space and then wait to handball the ball when the kick was the only option that should be considered is unsurpassed by anything else that I witness on the football field.
Is there any danger that Quinn can learn how to play in the VFL? It is not as though he is running players down (using his considerable pace) and playing an excellent defensive game.
I have used the word liabiliy already once this week, and it was a resounding failure, but surely a player that cannot kick the ball, and virtualy wont, is a liability.
Don't jump down my throat for being overly negative, I feel that this is more than valid. If you think that Quinn adds more than he subtracts at this sage then I would like to hear it.
Extremely unfair. He is no worse at doing this than a lot of others in the side. The upside he has is that when he does make a mistake he somehow finds a way to follow his work up and do something good.
Sorry, the leniency is unacceptable.
We are 8th on the ladder and striving for finals.
The fury is the result of knowing that he is going to do it each time because he doesn't have the skill level / confidence to do what he needs to do.
It is unacceptable that Quinn is selected at this stage. I know Knights is giving him the 'listen Quinny, you have the skills so just go out there and back yourself' speech. Quinn isn't backing himself and the result is that he is not worthy of a spot in the side.
There is no other player who takes a mark in space and is forced into stopping and waiting for a player to make up ground so that a handball can be given off. There are other types of indicision and poor decision marking on the field but not of it is comical to the extent that Quinn is. Our game plan is built on quick movement of the ball and a popular misconception is that this achieved by leg speed only when it is as much a mindset as anything else.
Quinn was not better last week and Jetta was BOG in the twos. Surely giving Jetta some freedom to roam around is a better option.
Hocking was another omission and although he is not as quick as Quinn, he adds to our side in other areas.
jeez BrunoV you'd think we'd lost by 10 goals going by your posts.
How many times has similar stuff been posted after previous good wins? We cant string together victories. Good wins paper over cracks that exist so it is important to fill the cracks rather than be exposed.
St Kilda didn't have their game going on Sunday. Their characteristic forward pressure would have butchered our running the ball out of their forward line in any of ther first 1 founds. Handballing to players when the pressure mounts is re recipe for disaster. It is why I am in love with Pears he always kicks the ball to our advantage.
Boucks09
18 Aug 2009, 19:27
I can understand where you are coming from in a purely idelogical sense (e.g. having a bloke in the side who is playing in a side fighting for finals after only learning the game 6 months ago).
However the fact is that Quinny can actually play the game.
He has earnt his spot through consistent performances at Bendigo, regularly outperforming the likes of Jetta on a weekly basis.
This isn't Round 2 where he has been thrown in from nowhere.
His kicking is actually very good; he can kick well both sides of the body and doesn't give the ball too much elevation. The area he needs to develop is his decision making. I still think he provides so much to the side already (his enthusiasm, pressure, desrire to take the game on) that I wouldn't be putting him into the 'can't play finals' category this season.
Many people were calling for him to be dropped last week due to the fact that we were playing St.Kilda and whilst he was not as impressive as the Brisbane game, I think that he certainly made a contribution to the side.
Did anybody see his interview on BomberTV this week?
He is great, I'm actually going to get his number on a new jumper next year (just waiting to see if he sticks with the #41).
Jonesy1987
18 Aug 2009, 19:49
Horse shit, he deserves to be in the side, and has justified selection. He is unpredictable, which actually works in our side. He might make mistakes but is dangerous and keeps defenders on their toes.
Horse shit, he deserves to be in the side, and has justified selection. He is unpredictable, which actually works in our side. He might make mistakes but is dangerous and keeps defenders on their toes.
Bang. We need more players to take as many risks as Quinn. I would hate to be our opposition, you have no idea what we are going to do.
I'd leave him up forward.
2 reasons:
1: He could yet be our most genuine crumbing forward, an area where we probably lack;
2: Defensive forward. I lost count the amount of tackles he laid on the weekend, creating forward opportunities.
2: Defensive forward. I lost count the amount of tackles he laid on the weekend, creating forward opportunities.
2 Tackles.
I don't think that you can make an argument that tackling stats dont reflect the number of tackles a player makes.
I'd leave him up forward.
2 reasons:
1: He could yet be our most genuine crumbing forward, an area where we probably lack;
2: Defensive forward. I lost count the amount of tackles he laid on the weekend, creating forward opportunities.
Yeah I agree. Additional forward pressure + we've got a lot more options down back than we do up forward.
Honestly though, he could be the best Irishman we've seen for quite a while. If his development path continues like it has he'll overtake Marty Clarke within 12 months and could potentially be held in the same regard as tadhg kennelly within 3-4 years.
Competition for spots is UNBELIEVABLE. So he, like the other kids, need to be on their toes.
Jonesy1987
18 Aug 2009, 20:17
2 Tackles.
I don't think that you can make an argument that tackling stats dont reflect the number of tackles a player makes.
He caused the ball to spill or a rushed possession on quite a few occasions.
gle0004
18 Aug 2009, 20:46
leave him int he side. loving watching his development and unlike jetta he has potential. we're not pressing for a premiership i dont see why we should drop him for the sake of development when we have seen others develop and flourish through big time experience. just needs to have a bit more confidence. he's getting there.
HighettBomber
18 Aug 2009, 21:43
Quinn is going to be a fantastic footballer. His pace is a real asset as is his evasiveness and defensive pressure, but he should not be in the side at the moment. He doesn't need to play AFL for his development and we have better options.
Longy413
18 Aug 2009, 22:25
Had a taste, done some nice things, given us the odd laugh.
Back to Bendigo, his taste will have done his development well, now give Jetta a crack in the role and reward his performances at Bendigo.
quinn has ten times the heart of weak, soft players like nash and jetta and that is why he has been getting games ahead of them and deservedly.
George Washington
18 Aug 2009, 22:51
quinn has ten times the heart of weak, soft players like nash and jetta and that is why he has been getting games ahead of them and deservedly.
bit harsh, but true.
Had a taste, done some nice things, given us the odd laugh.
Back to Bendigo, his taste will have done his development well, now give Jetta a crack in the role and reward his performances at Bendigo.
Reward Jetta for pulling out of a few contests against Coburg. after the soft efforts he put in in that game he does not deserve to get back in for the rest of the year. He was also carved up by Tim Clakre that day.
When it is your turn to go then you simply have to put your body in and i dont care if it is for Bendigo and he has no love for playing there.
I would hardly say that Jetta has been in great form anyway. He has been steady but from what i hear he really struggles to comprehend the role that Knights want's him to play within the game plan.
He did not play for Bendigo last week so he would have to be doubtfull to get a run this week as i am pretty sure he finished the Coburg game with a minor injury.
Sorry, the leniency is unacceptable.
We are 8th on the ladder and striving for finals.
The fury is the result of knowing that he is going to do it each time because he doesn't have the skill level / confidence to do what he needs to do.
It is unacceptable that Quinn is selected at this stage. I know Knights is giving him the 'listen Quinny, you have the skills so just go out there and back yourself' speech. Quinn isn't backing himself and the result is that he is not worthy of a spot in the side.
There is no other player who takes a mark in space and is forced into stopping and waiting for a player to make up ground so that a handball can be given off. There are other types of indicision and poor decision marking on the field but not of it is comical to the extent that Quinn is. Our game plan is built on quick movement of the ball and a popular misconception is that this achieved by leg speed only when it is as much a mindset as anything else.
Quinn was not better last week and Jetta was BOG in the twos. Surely giving Jetta some freedom to roam around is a better option.
Hocking was another omission and although he is not as quick as Quinn, he adds to our side in other areas.
When was Jetta BOG in the two's ?? He was named in the best against Coburg but those who where at the game new that was rubbish and the usual bullshit Bendigo best players. Tim Clarke carved him up during that game.
I do not know exactly what you where watching but somehow you have pin pointed something in Quinn that you have some bias against. He is no worse at holding play up than any number of players in the side.
I think you have been seriously blinded by certain aspects. Maybe we should remove McPhee from the side becasue he is the worst player for holding onto the footy for too long.
Too bad he did not hold the footy for his usual 40 seconds when he took the mark in the final two minutes against the Lions. The only time i wanted McPhee to waste time and he plays on straight away....
Sorry but you are way off the mark and this week Subiaco will actualy suite him running around and trying to beat players.
Mad Bomber Sean
19 Aug 2009, 01:54
I love him in the side. His lack of experience means he isnt shackled by ideas about how to play the game. He has a great energy that seems to ignite the team. His first game V Freo was awesome & he was good against the Lions & the Saints recently. His leg speed will be very good against Freo on Subi. Keep him in the side.
Longy413
19 Aug 2009, 08:47
He did not play for Bendigo last week so he would have to be doubtfull to get a run this week as i am pretty sure he finished the Coburg game with a minor injury.
He didn't play at Bendigo because he was next in line for a position in the senior team, had there been another change.
Had a taste, done some nice things, given us the odd laugh.
Back to Bendigo, his taste will have done his development well, now give Jetta a crack in the role and reward his performances at Bendigo.
agree 100%
When was Jetta BOG in the two's ?? He was named in the best against Coburg but those who where at the game new that was rubbish and the usual bullshit Bendigo best players. Tim Clarke carved him up during that game.
I don't watch Bendigo, I noted that Jetta's name was listed first or second in the paper. He was also in the best a week or so before that, I think.
I do not know exactly what you where watching but somehow you have pin pointed something in Quinn that you have some bias against. He is no worse at holding play up than any number of players in the side.
I think you have been seriously blinded by certain aspects. Maybe we should remove McPhee from the side becasue he is the worst player for holding onto the footy for too long.
Too bad he did not hold the footy for his usual 40 seconds when he took the mark in the final two minutes against the Lions. The only time i wanted McPhee to waste time and he plays on straight away....
Sorry but you are way off the mark and this week Subiaco will actualy suite him running around and trying to beat players.
This is not solely directed at you ant, although naturally part of it is.
What this thread really shows is just how important it is for a club to manage the media and sell a certain message through the media.
I am quite sure that once upon a time football supporters required that the players who ran out to support their teams could actually play football and excell in most of the skills required.
I don't deny that it is an exciting ride but Quinn's overall impact on the team is not positive. McPhee may be bad at holding the ball up but I have not seen him do what Quinn was doing against St Kilda. McPhee also contributes in other ways, he is asked to play both forward and back which makes him vital structurally. Quinn supposedly pressures players and watching him against St Kilda, all that was clear is that he does a lot of pointless running.
Because we have battled for years, everyones expectations are low and these wins against good opposition are clouding judgement.
Again I repeat, we have a running player in our side that is a 80:20 chance not to kick the ball when he has to do it. He is in the side to add to our speed and he makes the ball movement slower. Yet we will make excuses for him.
Giggidy Giggidy
19 Aug 2009, 11:58
The fury that I feel when watching Quinn take the ball in space and then wait to handball the ball when the kick was the only option that should be considered is unsurpassed by anything else that I witness on the football field.
Again I repeat, we have a running player in our side that is a 80:20 chance not to kick the ball when he has to do it. He is in the side to add to our speed and he makes the ball movement slower. Yet we will make excuses for him.
I haven't watched the replay yet this week, but having witnessed each of his matches live I cannot for the life of me recall these frequent situations where he slows down the play. Over his matches he has sat consistently at a kick to handball ratio of around 40:60, and what I recall the most is that a lot of his handballs are from marks, and are actually too quick, if anything (made me nervous many times by handballing to the player running past who isn't ready for it and is under the pump).
Boiled Geezer
19 Aug 2009, 12:05
He didn't play at Bendigo because he was next in line for a position in the senior team, had there been another change.
He wasn't even named as an emergency and from those not named Hocking would have been in line before him.
ShowMeTheMonfrie
19 Aug 2009, 12:19
has potential to be a very good player. his body shape is the one thing i like about him. bursting speed and strong a real chance for midfield rotations if he can work on his in close work. something i assure the coaching staff are looking at. after watching a essendon all year and seeing some players come out of their shells and it taking them 5-6 years in the system this guy provides possibly the biggest scope for greatness out of all them. the fact he has come so far so quickly is testament to his mental strength and determination. in terms of right now i do believe he should be plying his trade in the 2's and hocking should be in this week.
Subiaco will actualy suite him running around and trying to beat players.
Totally agree. He's also the type of player that can inspire the whole team when they are flat ie against Richmond and WC.
bomberbilly
19 Aug 2009, 14:50
im watching the replay right now. its about 18:40 in the 2nd quarter and quinn marks the ball and plays on straight away. this is what he does most the time and sometimes gets himself into trouble but is always backing himself. I cannot recall him ever "holding up the play". He also plays on later in the game, breaks the tackle, and then kicks the ball quite nicely up the wing. Just saw another nice quinn highlight in the 2nd quarter, that tap on to mcphee from the boundary line was very nice. I see no reason why he shouldnt be in the side. He follows direction and gives his all till he is blue. great work quinn!
just thought id add that with about 11 minutes left in the first half quinn takes a nice mark from a strong lead and then handballs INSTANTLY to pears running past who then hits monfries up forward...
Convenient that you just ignore the incidents that I am referring to.
danzan22
19 Aug 2009, 15:12
im watching the replay right now. its about 18:40 in the 2nd quarter and quinn marks the ball and plays on straight away. this is what he does most the time and sometimes gets himself into trouble but is always backing himself.
If i'm not mistaken he also broke a tackle in that piece of play? was fantastic to see :D
bomberbilly
19 Aug 2009, 15:22
Convenient that you just ignore the incidents that I am referring to.
Im still waiting to see these incidents! its half time now.
Im still waiting to see these incidents! its half time now.
I have watched the game twice since seeing it live and i can only find a couple of times where he held up play and it was a lot less than the number of times he played on quickly and certainly no worse than a number of players on the night or over this season.
Bruno seems to have a bee in his bonet about something i think was only a minor issue.
bomberbilly
19 Aug 2009, 15:37
Gerard Healy just said "i hope Karmichael hunt is watching, Quinn is having a fair impact on this game and is hitting targets" ...
nothing wrong with his game at all after watching it again. Totally exciting and i think he deserves another run!
Boiled Geezer
19 Aug 2009, 18:25
He looked good while at the game but I picked up on some extra efforts on the TV on the other side of the ground. Love the fact that when he knows he isn't able to reach a player he still chases and puts on the pressure causing mistakes. Should goo very well on Subi against a less experienced and disciplined side.
When was Jetta BOG in the two's ?? He was named in the best against Coburg but those who where at the game new that was rubbish and the usual bullshit Bendigo best players. Tim Clarke carved him up during that game.
I do not know exactly what you where watching but somehow you have pin pointed something in Quinn that you have some bias against. He is no worse at holding play up than any number of players in the side.
I think you have been seriously blinded by certain aspects. Maybe we should remove McPhee from the side becasue he is the worst player for holding onto the footy for too long.
Too bad he did not hold the footy for his usual 40 seconds when he took the mark in the final two minutes against the Lions. The only time i wanted McPhee to waste time and he plays on straight away....
Sorry but you are way off the mark and this week Subiaco will actualy suite him running around and trying to beat players.
I agree about McPhee in the dying minutes of the game.
That is when he should have taken his 15 or 20 seconds before disposing of the ball.
Mad Bomber Sean
19 Aug 2009, 18:47
Just watched the reply. Quinn played well. Kicking was fine, hand balls were good, his tackle on Fisher was great. He threw his body at the contest and gave his all. He is well worthy of his spot in the team.
Who else thinks his play on at all costs style will be a real asset on Subi ?
Had a taste, done some nice things, given us the odd laugh.
Back to Bendigo, his taste will have done his development well, now give Jetta a crack in the role and reward his performances at Bendigo.
I really get the feeling Leroy could be a bit of a wildcard should he get a chance.
Quinn's shown a lot, but he won't be there in September with us, and now's the perfect opportunity to scour our options. Experimenting with Atkinson so far has worked, this is the time to give another enigma a shot.
Knight Ryders
19 Aug 2009, 23:31
Just watched the reply. Quinn played well. Kicking was fine, hand balls were good, his tackle on Fisher was great. He threw his body at the contest and gave his all. He is well worthy of his spot in the team.
Who else thinks his play on at all costs style will be a real asset on Subi ?
:thumbsu:
Just watched the replay and as I thought on Sunday, he was alright. He didn't tear the game apart but he played his role.
Against WCE they split us open from HF so hopefully they play Davey and Quinn to put pressure on their ball carriers, even if it is just percieved pressure.
Quinn is doing badly!
Joined the club in November and has played footy for less than a year, but yet he is showing more than 10 players on our list, who have been playing for 15 years.
lemon chicken
20 Aug 2009, 01:27
Sorry, the leniency is unacceptable.
We are 8th on the ladder and striving for finals.
This is reality that most people seem to be missing. The media and football public are talking us up to the point where we cannot live up to the expectations. We should be outsiders for the next 2 matches but pick up a paper and you'd believe that we have already made finals. I would have liked to seen some of the threads that would of been started in here had Riewoldt kicked the goal. Fact is, it is the exact game but with a different result.
Boiled Geezer
20 Aug 2009, 06:16
This is reality that most people seem to be missing. The media and football public are talking us up to the point where we cannot live up to the expectations. We should be outsiders for the next 2 matches but pick up a paper and you'd believe that we have already made finals. I would have liked to seen some of the threads that would of been started in here had Riewoldt kicked the goal. Fact is, it is the exact game but with a different result.
Please take you defeatest attitude elsewhere. He missed the goal, we won, we're in a good position for making finals.
danzan22
20 Aug 2009, 07:16
This is reality that most people seem to be missing. The media and football public are talking us up to the point where we cannot live up to the expectations. We should be outsiders for the next 2 matches but pick up a paper and you'd believe that we have already made finals. I would have liked to seen some of the threads that would of been started in here had Riewoldt kicked the goal. Fact is, it is the exact game but with a different result.
And we wouldn't even be talking about Riewoldts miss if Prismall had of nailed a very easy set shot 30 seconds earlier, the fact is we won.
james_omahoney
20 Aug 2009, 08:31
This is reality that most people seem to be missing. The media and football public are talking us up to the point where we cannot live up to the expectations. We should be outsiders for the next 2 matches but pick up a paper and you'd believe that we have already made finals. I would have liked to seen some of the threads that would of been started in here had Riewoldt kicked the goal. Fact is, it is the exact game but with a different result.
Please look at the context of the game. We had 1 bench rotation and a few players playing with niggles. We lost Fletcher towards the end of the second quarter. We were 43 points up at one stage but you can't hold onto a lead without a full team. We missed several easy shots on goal in the last quarter and had a few 50/50s go against us.
We're the only team this year to make the Saints look average and look seriously rattled to the point they were making mistakes they haven't made all year. The way we played (to achieve the lead) was inspirational and shows that we have potential to be a serious threat in the future. It's the media's job to sell stories and Essendon is a good one for football. We may or may not live up to expectations but to pick one instant in the game and call upon the sliding doors principle, so to speak, is extremely naive. There were a 100+ pieces of play that could have affected the result each way but because Riewoldt's was the last one you seem to think it's more important.
kelvin_sheedy
20 Aug 2009, 10:33
A whole lot a love for a guy that did sweet fa on the weekend.
bombre-boy
20 Aug 2009, 12:07
The only thing i would question with Quinn was that he was selected for the game was against the saints...Freo would have seemed more logical.
In hindsight it worked out ok, but the potential for a stuff up was high.
Quinn will be OK in the long run, and i am surprised at the rate he has been able to pick up the game, but there is still a long way to go.
I would certainly select him for this week, but if we make the finals, hopefully there will be a better option available.
Longy413
20 Aug 2009, 12:30
He wasn't even named as an emergency and from those not named Hocking would have been in line before him.
He was kept out of Bendigo in case a late replacement was needed.
Welcome to dispute this if you like, but it is a fact.
lemon chicken
20 Aug 2009, 15:10
Please take you defeatest attitude elsewhere. He missed the goal, we won, we're in a good position for making finals.
And we wouldn't even be talking about Riewoldts miss if Prismall had of nailed a very easy set shot 30 seconds earlier, the fact is we won.
We were 41 points up late in the thrid qtr and just scraped over the line after playing better football than the opposition for 3 qtrs. We then decide to play kick to kick against the best defensive side in the comp. Sorry for being realistic and choosing to post what i actually see than getting caught up in hysteria.
TeamHurley
20 Aug 2009, 15:19
We were 41 points up late in the thrid qtr and just scraped over the line after playing better football than the opposition for 3 qtrs. We then decide to play kick to kick against the best defensive side in the comp. Sorry for being realistic and choosing to post what i actually see than getting caught up in hysteria.
who cares, we won. We beat the saints. What point are you trying to prove? Enjoy it like the rest of us. :thumbsu:
jobesuperstar
20 Aug 2009, 16:56
Played well Sunday. Still a bit lost in the game but they will come with more experience has fanstatic skills as well
A whole lot a love for a guy that did sweet fa on the weekend.
10 touches, created stoppage after stoppage with tackling and pressure.
Hardly did nothing - then again are we just measuring players by what they score in Supercoach/Dreamteam these days.
Little secret - 1%ers have more impact on matches than possessions.
Longy413
20 Aug 2009, 22:28
Little secret - 1%ers have more impact on matches than possessions.
Pretty sure you can't tackle a goal.
kelvin_sheedy
20 Aug 2009, 22:34
10 touches, created stoppage after stoppage with tackling and pressure.
Hardly did nothing - then again are we just measuring players by what they score in Supercoach/Dreamteam these days.
Little secret - 1%ers have more impact on matches than possessions.
He got sidestepped a number of times like he was a witches hat. He only had one 1%. Stanton, Dempsey, Pears, McVeigh had 4+.
I guess he looks like he's trying hard so he must be doing alright. He's marked way too easily at the moment and he should be in the VFL learning to play. He should not be learning the craft at AFL level.
He's marked way too easily at the moment and he should be in the VFL learning to play. He should not be learning the craft at AFL level.
If players with AFL background were playing games like Quinn was there would be endless speculation over his position in the side in the first few years of his career.
Endeavour and will are great. Being effective on the ground and contributing in meaningful ways to victories each week is more important.
Kaiser Powser
21 Aug 2009, 11:13
It is not unreasonble to expect an education of AFL football to be gained at VFL level, especially when we have so much at stake in the seniors.
He looks good so far, but I do not feel that his good form in the VFL should be rewarded by AFL games, he is a project player. Similarly we will not play Bock until he is ready. Although obviously one is a physical thing and the other is football knowledge. They will both take a couple of years.
kelvin_sheedy
23 Aug 2009, 21:49
Still not working...
...... but hey if Knights wants to run a donkey around Flemington 1000 times I'm sure it will win the Melbourne Cup one day. :rolleyes:
lemon chicken
23 Aug 2009, 22:15
This is reality that most people seem to be missing. The media and football public are talking us up to the point where we cannot live up to the expectations. We should be outsiders for the next 2 matches but pick up a paper and you'd believe that we have already made finals. I would have liked to seen some of the threads that would of been started in here had Riewoldt kicked the goal. Fact is, it is the exact game but with a different result.
Please take you defeatest attitude elsewhere. He missed the goal, we won, we're in a good position for making finals.
Please swallow your fantasy pride and accept where we are at.
Boiled Geezer
23 Aug 2009, 22:46
Please swallow your fantasy pride and accept where we are at.
What does last weeks victory have to do with this weeks loss? :confused:
All I said is that you have a defeatist attitude, which you do. But now you've shown arrogance as well because you've obviously been waiting to bump this comment as soon as we stumbled.
Quinn was far from the worst player on the field, yet you people sill want him axed. Should we sending him packing back to Ireland while we're at it?
Still not working...
...... but hey if Knights wants to run a donkey around Flemington 1000 times I'm sure it will win the Melbourne Cup one day. :rolleyes:
And Jetta will be trailing behind Quinn !
kelvin_sheedy
23 Aug 2009, 23:57
And Jetta will be trailing behind Quinn !
What's Jetta go to do with the Quinn experiment?
What's Jetta go to do with the Quinn experiment?
On form shown this year and today Jetta is trailing behind Quinn.
It is a major concern for EFC.
Oh please drop Quinn for the Hawks! He was really disapointing yesterday. Needs a season or so at VFL level.
Knight Ryders
24 Aug 2009, 09:03
Quinn does need to round his game out more, but we must be very happy with his progress so far.
I'd like to believe that if we didn't have a substantial injury list that he would still be learning his trade at VFL level. Still, he was far from our worst performer yesterday and going on effort alone, I think he will make it.
I'll go into more detail. I also believe there is a fair chance he will make it and I also think he wasn't our worst player yesterday.
I don't think currently he should be getting a spot in our senior line up. I would of rather seen someone else in the side (Hocking etc)
HighettBomber
24 Aug 2009, 09:24
I'm very confident Quinn is going to be a good player. He has improved his skills remarkably and continues to get himself involved in the play. He has great athletic ability, is very evasive and seems very strong for such a skinny guy. However, his good points are more than cancelled out by his poor decision making and the fact he has absolutely no idea what to do in making contests. If he can improve these weaknesses we will have a very good player on our hands, but anyone who thinks he is ahead of any other player on our list while they remain is either stupid or delusional.
Could of kicked 4 goals yesterday if he knew what he was doing.
Shane Hird
24 Aug 2009, 11:00
Tries to dodge and baulk with his feet together like they do in Irish football.
Needs to learn how to evade properly so he has more time to kick.
I reckon he played ok and will only improve as time goes on..
Phat Toni
24 Aug 2009, 11:15
Time for this little experiment to be put back in the closet for the year.
Was he the worst player yesterday? Probably not, but close.
Has he got any upside? Absolutely.
Can he play at an AFL standard? Sadly not at this stage.
We would have been better served yesterday with slow players like Hocking, Skippy or Lonergan in the team, guys that know where to run and HOW TO BE DANGEROUSE WITH THE FOOTBALL.
Quinn suffers from the same problem a lot of galic/irish footballers suffer from, penertation with their kicks, it's just not in their nature. I played a little bit of galic footy when I lived in the UK and dragged quite a few different Irish lads accross to a BARFL team I was playing for, and we consitantly had the same problem with all of them, they just cant kick over a jam tin, and it takes time and training to be able to do this.
Can the Quinn experiment work? YES
Is it working right now? NO
Knights for the love of god send him back to the VFL!!!
Sending players back to the VFL would be okay if there were matches available for these players to hone their skills in.
We only have 1 game of VFL footy left this year..against Werribee on Sunday.
Think about it.
Sending player back the VFL would also be good if Bendigo was not such a basket case like this year.
Lets hope the few changes do take place and we have a better looking VFL squad for next year.