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First of all well done Matty for imposing yourself on the game after a quiet first half. This is what a captain is all about. He leads from the front. He saw we needed a spark and put his hand up and copped what came after it.
Not once did he retaliate to any cheap shots from various no names. Notice he didnt cry to the umpire either Campbell.
He may not have contributed on the score sheet, but he was a huge part of the great win.
stander
29 Aug 2009, 21:53
First of all well done Matty for imposing yourself on the game after a quiet first half. This is what a captain is all about. He leads from the front. He saw we needed a spark and put his hand up and copped what came after it.
Not once did he retaliate to any cheap shots from various no names. Notice he didnt cry to the umpire either Campbell.
He may not have contributed on the score sheet, but he was a huge part of the great win.
And some coaching kudos to the Ignighter, his first final after the dark Sheedy years.
I don't buy into the Hawthorn crap that Lloyd planned to do it and he intended to knock out Sewell but in no way was his game an example of great captaincy. He did nothing all game.
I don't buy into the Hawthorn crap that Lloyd planned to do it and he intended to knock out Sewell but in no way was his game an example of great captaincy. He did nothing all game.
you couldnt see that the game changed after that incident?
the major turning point in the game, instigated by the captain.....
sounds like good captaincy to me, and again whilst he didnt affect the scoreboard himself, he had a major impact on the game.
EDIT: Not to mention all the frees he got us after the hit.
you couldnt see that the game changed after that incident?
the major turning point in the game, instigated by the captain.....
sounds like good captaincy to me, and again whilst he didnt affect the scoreboard himself, he had a major impact on the game.
EDIT: Not to mention all the frees he got us after the hit.
Well I'd assume he didn't even intend to hurt Sewell it was just a bump that went wrong. Yes it was a turning point but that doesn't show great captaincy that shows poor hip and shoulder skill with a lucky result.
To top that off, he put nothing on the scoreboard.
Hawthorn1971
29 Aug 2009, 22:31
Yes.
He is a great Captain.
And a Great Bloke.
One of the best.
Easy to listen to on the big screen, always gets that microphone sizzling.
Anyone who says he is a rubbish bloke needs their head read.
Yes.
He is a great Captain.
And a Great Bloke.
One of the best.
Easy to listen to on the big screen, always gets that microphone sizzling.
Anyone who says he is a rubbish bloke needs their head read.
subtle
I'll just add that i am not supporting head high contact that knocks opponents out, and that hopefully Sewell is ok.
sumavich
29 Aug 2009, 22:54
I don't reckon he should go for that, and I don't think Buddy should've been suspended either.
I've just come back from Springboks v. Wallabies and there was way harder hits in that game than any I've seen this last two weeks in AFL.
Let Lloyd play Eyebrows !!
AFL turning into GayFL by the minute.
Well played Bombers, Pat Ryder is a star.
The over reaction from this on BigFooty is killing me. I think I need to go somewhere sane for a while.
FouRFooTGiaNT
29 Aug 2009, 23:08
What he did does not make him good captain material or anything. Yes, the game turned around after that, but I am sure if you look into our stats, specially on games we have won. The third quarters have been our best quarters. I could be wrong, but it sure seems that way. It was then a momentum after that which got us to maintain a lead. Lloyd had no impact on the game neither before or after that 'bump' and really probably should've been rested for another week...
efcskip47
29 Aug 2009, 23:28
Ah classic! How many lolly waters did you have before you saw it?
nugget99
29 Aug 2009, 23:48
Buddy should not have gone and neither should Lloyd but the precendent was set and Lloyd has to go
theboxmike
30 Aug 2009, 01:08
Your ****ing kidding right???
you are a dead set ****wit... if breaking a guys cheek is leading from the front, then i'd hate to see what the rest of your inbred, incest ridden mob follow up with.
woo keep the insulates civil at least buddy
People are overreacting because it's Lloyd as usual, bunch of wingers.
Trent Berger
30 Aug 2009, 01:26
Lloyd will get 4 weeks - 3 with an early plea. Is it wrong - YES. But The AFL have an agenda. Even Eddie was banging on about it with Buddy. Welcome to the house of frustration. So Pick 11 for the bombers!
cradle of filth
30 Aug 2009, 04:33
Hang on a sec. He barely gets a touch all day, recklessly knocked out and opposition player, quickly runs away from a melee he started and to top it all off has ruined his chances of playing with his team next week in the finals. I don't see how any of this adds up to being a great captain. In fact, i would go as far as to say that his performance today puts his future in more doubt.
caboose
30 Aug 2009, 07:12
Embarrassing thread.
First two posts talk about great captaincy and great coaching .. wtf?
While I love Lloydy as much as anyone and am tired to death of the rap he generally gets from opposition supporters, his game was extremely poor. It was terrific to see his aggression at the contest at that particular moment and the effect changed the game, yes - but let's be honest: the KO of Sewell was clearly an accident and he barely got a touch of the leather all day.
As for Knights, where to begin? How the team could be so flat (again) in such a big game in the first half, how Neagle and Lloyd could be played together on the forward line on a big ground on a wet day, and how Mitchell ran so wild for so long on Welsh beggared belief.
It was a great victory; one of our best for a very long time. It was also unbelievably satisfying to give the arrogant, smug filth that is Hawthorn such a beautiful come-uppance. But let's not go ridiculously overboard and read all sorts of things into the game that clearly weren't there.
theGimp
30 Aug 2009, 09:39
Clearly best on ground.
What a champion. Without Lloyd we would all be miserable today, out of the finals, we would have missed Brownie proving himself to basketcase fraud pretender and would not be viewing the biggest sook in history from all of the bandwagon Hawk supporters.
Its just beautiful in every way.
I love you Matty Lloyd.
Vipersnews
30 Aug 2009, 10:30
Spot on. I especially liked the way he backed out of the melee after his gutless snipe. Top role model...
I'm pretty sure he went and grabbed 2 of your pussy players at once... I think you have ur own player to thank for pushing Lloyd into him and us into September.
Macca18
30 Aug 2009, 10:38
dirty ****ing sniper, they targeted sewell coz he was smashing Watson, he's a dirty ****ing has been **** who is goona get whats coming, it's easy for you Essendon ***** to beat a bunch of kids and 2 down most of the game, beat us at full strength and unsociable you weak sniper *****, **** you Essendon.
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Enjoy.
We were even more comprehensive in this game earlier in the year with all your stars playing and most of ours out injured.
2-0 in 2009. :thumbsu:
FouRFooTGiaNT
30 Aug 2009, 10:44
Love him or hate him, one thing he has done is maintain a strong rivalry between these two sides. Come round 4-6 or whenever we play against each other the first time around, if it's at the MCG, no matter how many games the two sides have won previously, the crowd at this game should be over 80,000...
Jobe Watson has been touted as the next bombers captain by the clubs president, does that mean he knows something we are guessing at? is Lloyd really going to retire during the week? IMO, Jobe Watson needs to clean up his kicking, but his in and unders are one of the best in the league, he could make a real good captain. I think McVeigh deserves the captaincy too. I just hope they don't give it to Mcphee.. He needs to stand up and be counted for the bombers, not the opposition before that..
james_omahoney
30 Aug 2009, 10:47
Great Captain, you guys would never had beaten the Boxhill Hawks today if it had not been for your couragious Captain, he is what every young up and coming youngster looks up to and what a true leader he is..
Congratulations to Mathew Loyd you are a true Champ....:thumbsu:
Forgetting that we outplayed you by 45 points in round 7 after half time? Missing Hille, Dempsey and Davey and had numerous players playing after recovering from serious injury and no-preseason. Enjoy the sidelines next week :thumbsu:.
Skeeta Olly
30 Aug 2009, 10:59
It has been over 12 hours... Get over it Hawks. We beat Carlton without our best midfielder out for a half...
tha Freak
30 Aug 2009, 11:02
Clearly best on, I agree. His four kicks while being towelled up by an 18 year old were just inspiring.
Just Love how these 'Sooky Boy' Hawks come on to our board to whinge. Just Priceless to see their pain in their loss. Just shows their class! Just SCUM.
Forgetting that we outplayed you by 45 points in round 7 after half time? Missing Hille, Dempsey and Davey and had numerous players playing after recovering from serious injury and no-preseason. Enjoy the sidelines next week :thumbsu:.
, Fletcher
Colin D'Cops
30 Aug 2009, 12:21
He leads from the front. He saw we needed a spark and put his hand up and copped what came after it.
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While i've always respected Lloyd as a champion goal kicker, to say great captaincy for yesterday is an embarrassment. You guys beat us and there is no excuses but some of the comments here are awful.
Lloyd knows he's in trouble and most likely regrets it, he did hit Sewell and wasn't pushed (don't think he planned to go straight for Sewell). Apart from that he did nothing yesterday and was a liability. Some of you are looking into this far too much.
Good luck against the Crows, you'll need it and can't wait for our next encounter.
carlton09
30 Aug 2009, 12:56
Coming from a Carlton supporter .. 1 bumps not and shouldn't change the way the hawks play? Llyod's bump inspired his team to get over the line and play finals? Even if it's going to cost him 1 week, or 2 weeks or even 3 he stood up like the leader he is and got the team over the line. Well done llyod! im sure if fev was in that position he'd probably do the same thing although id rather some dud do it then fev we need him. LOL
Colin D'Cops
30 Aug 2009, 13:13
You guys beat us and there is no excuses but some of the comments here are awful.
The game was on the line, he stamped his authority on the game and sparked the team. If that isn't good captaincy, I don't know what the hell it is.
Lloyd knows he's in trouble and most likely regrets it..
You're joking aren't you? If you're serious, then I will never reply to one of your posts ever again. I thought you knew better.
You're joking aren't you? If you're serious, then I will never reply to one of your posts ever again. I thought you knew better.
I don't mean the bump, i'm saying he would regret the high contact. It was almost a good and fair bump ( speaking on a fan's view, not AFL view) but he should have lowered the body.
Why wouldn't he regret it? He's missing out on finals ( atleast looking like it atm) and you guys need an experienced player on the field who can step up when needed.
Gee how opinions change over the course of 1 week. First the game is soft and Franklin was treated harshly, now everyone is a sniper :D:thumbsu: Ironic thing is that comment has come from one of the biggest snipers in the game:confused:.
Enjoy you mad Monday girls:cool:
dave_27
30 Aug 2009, 14:11
Captaincy personified. Lead by example with a beautiful bump that rocked Hawthorn and its paper thin spine. He exploded what was a hot air balloon that is tassie.
Colin D'Cops
30 Aug 2009, 15:10
It was almost a good and fair bump ( speaking on a fan's view, not AFL view) but he should have lowered the body.
Should've, would've, could've. He made a bump and lead by example in the second half; sparking the team that ran all over the Hawks in the end.
That's called great captaincy champ.
Skeeta Olly
30 Aug 2009, 15:31
mmmm yeh, Lloyd's a great captain. What has he achieved as captain again? Was yesterday's hit the best he has done as captain or is there more we dont know about?
Richie Vandenberg?
CAPTAINCRAWF
30 Aug 2009, 15:38
Emabarrasing thread guys!
Why is everyone getting carried away. Lloyd played a poor game and did not exude any qualities of a decent captain what so ever. He will go for 4 wks (Lloyd & Lance = Apples & Oranges). Brown has every right to think that but should have probably kept it in house, the word sniper is a bit harsh as most blokes have had moments on the ground they would'nt be proud of. It was a great game that both Hawk & Bomber fans should have enjoyed and the Bombers thoroughly deserved there win.
Don Envy
30 Aug 2009, 15:56
Your ****ing kidding right???
you are a dead set ****wit... if breaking a guys cheek is leading from the front, then i'd hate to see what the rest of your inbred, incest ridden mob follow up with.
Mate, before you go throwing stones our way, have a look at Street Talk from last week's footy show if you really want to see the results of siblings breeding with each other, then go and have a cry to your mummy, or is that your sister....
Crumpler83
30 Aug 2009, 16:18
Lloyd may have had a dog of a game but that one moment was the thing that woke us up and got us going again.
Whether people want to call it a dog act or not is irrelevant, it was a bloody hard hit and it's never nice to see anybody go down in that fashion, but that was the moment that sparked the team. That is what I would call a pretty darn good moment of leadership when he was basically otherwise completely ineffective.
Emabarrasing thread guys!
Why is everyone getting carried away. Lloyd played a poor game and did not exude any qualities of a decent captain what so ever. He will go for 4 wks (Lloyd & Lance = Apples & Oranges). Brown has every right to think that but should have probably kept it in house, the word sniper is a bit harsh as most blokes have had moments on the ground they would'nt be proud of. It was a great game that both Hawk & Bomber fans should have enjoyed and the Bombers thoroughly deserved there win.
I dont see why lloyd should get more weeks than franklin.
In both cases the affected player was concussed.
I dont see why lloyd should get more weeks than franklin.
In both cases the affected player was concussed.
Sewell has a fractured cheekbone and eye socket. That's not gonna hold up well for Lloyd.
tha Freak
30 Aug 2009, 20:51
Lloyd struggled during the game. When a 50/50 ball came his way, he went in without fear or favour. It could of been anyone he hit, our blokes or Hawks, fortunately he got SEWELL. With that one action he change the game. Essendon kick 11 of 14 goals and win the game. He kept his head over the ball for the rest of the game and showed just what a class act he is. That's great captaincy and all you whinging Hawks trolls, get back to your own boards, and keep on sooking.
GoldenboyHird_5
30 Aug 2009, 21:06
I admire him.
He sacrificed himself really, knowing that he had played a bad game, knowing that he had been a liability with his opponent running off him, knowing that the team is better off having Neagle and Hurley as the targets than him and most importantly, knowing that the team was as flat as a ****en pancake.
I admire him for that, he will be remembered as one of the greatest that this club has had.
A well-deserved retirement awaits him.
N.B. Hawthorn fans have no where to move on this. If they think it was deliberate, then we can simply say that he sacrificed himself for the betterment of the team.
If they think it was unintentional, then he is obviously not a sniper and therefore, it was only an accident and no worse than the Franklin bump.
Win, win.
Sewell has a fractured cheekbone and eye socket. That's not gonna hold up well for Lloyd.
You dont necessarily miss weeks with that injury.
It depends whether you need an operation.
If they think it was deliberate, then we can simply say that he sacrificed himself for the betterment of the team.
If they think it was unintentional, then he is obviously not a sniper and therefore, it was only an accident and no worse than the Franklin bump.
Win, win.
Don't think it was a deliberate hit to the head, and certainly hope not, yet reading some of these posts and it sounds like some of you Essendon supporters not only feel it was deliberate, but also the mark of a good captain.
So if its OK with some of you to intentionally do what Lloyd did, if a club picks up Barry Hall and uses his mean left hook to take out the opposition play maker is that ok?
Punch is against the rules, so is head high contact so what's the difference (purely talking of intentional contact, and not saying I believe thats what happened, though some of you do)
Don't think it was a deliberate hit to the head, and certainly hope not, yet reading some of these posts and it sounds like some of you Essendon supporters not only feel it was deliberate, but also the mark of a good captain.
So if its OK with some of you to intentionally do what Lloyd did, if a club picks up Barry Hall and uses his mean left hook to take out the opposition play maker is that ok?
Punch is against the rules, so is head high contact so what's the difference (purely talking of intentional contact, and not saying I believe thats what happened, though some of you do)I don't think you can take serious any notions of Lloyd's bump being premeditated. Anybody who's played the game would know that was a split-second decision.
There were no ill-intentions in the play; if you watch it, and I'm sure everybody's seen it plenty by now, you can see both Lloyd and Sewell's eyes locked on the ball. Coaches love this stuff, they also drag players for not committing to a contest.
So what should Lloyd have done - waited for Sewell to get the ball and get bowled over, or skirt the contest altogether? As a a footballer, an AFL footballer, and an AFL captain, Lloyd would've been scrutinised for skirting a contest. Hardly an example to set for your young team in a cut-throat match.
Lloyd's instincts told him to go in for the ball, and it so happens he had the higher ground. The fact that he was running full tilt, with a bigger body didn't do Sewell any favours. It's extremely unfortunate that Sewell suffered as a consequence, but I'm sure if you asked the question 'would you commit to the contest next time?' both Lloyd and Sewell would say 'without a doubt'.
I was really glad to see Lloyd follow Sewell up after the game and apologise; he should've, but not all players would. To me that shows remorse for the consequences, and the signs of a decent person.
Campbell Brown made something out of nothing; funny that only last week he (along with every other person Hawthorn) was bemoaning the AFL's decision to rub-out Buddy for a similar incident, only that Buddy laid an intentional bump to a player already in possession of the ball; the impact was less, the intent moreso.
Under the rules Lloyd should and will be suspended; the way Campbell Brown carried on during and post-game was disgraceful and totally unnecessary.
I don't think you can take serious any notions of Lloyd's bump being premeditated. Anybody who's played the game would know that was a split-second decision.
There were no ill-intentions in the play; if you watch it, and I'm sure everybody's seen it plenty by now, you can see both Lloyd and Sewell's eyes locked on the ball. Coaches love this stuff, they also drag players for not committing to a contest.
So what should Lloyd have done - waited for Sewell to get the ball and get bowled over, or skirt the contest altogether? As a a footballer, an AFL footballer, and an AFL captain, Lloyd would've been scrutinised for skirting a contest. Hardly an example to set for your young team in a cut-throat match.
Lloyd's instincts told him to go in for the ball, and it so happens he had the higher ground. The fact that he was running full tilt, with a bigger body didn't do Sewell any favours. It's extremely unfortunate that Sewell suffered as a consequence, but I'm sure if you asked the question 'would you commit to the contest next time?' both Lloyd and Sewell would say 'without a doubt'.
I was really glad to see Lloyd follow Sewell up after the game and apologise; he should've, but not all players would. To me that shows remorse for the consequences, and the signs of a decent person.
Campbell Brown made something out of nothing; funny that only last week he (along with every other person Hawthorn) was bemoaning the AFL's decision to rub-out Buddy for a similar incident, only that Buddy laid an intentional bump to a player already in possession of the ball; the impact was less, the intent moreso.
Under the rules Lloyd should and will be suspended; the way Campbell Brown carried on during and post-game was disgraceful and totally unnecessary.
Hear what your saying and I don't think it was pre-meditated at all, more so just negligent. Happens all the time.
Just pointing out that some posters here seem to imply it was intentional which I'm pointing out, hypothetically if it were the case, is nothing to be proud of.
The games evolved from that and some people need to catch up.
Does make me look forward to next seasons first clash with you guys though, should be a ripper.
In the mean time, you guys have finals to worry about.
Good luck next week.
Just pointing out that some posters here seem to imply it was intentional which I'm pointing out, hypothetically if it were the case, is nothing to be proud of.I agree with you there.
Bombers supporters claiming that Lloyd intentionally ran in to clean-up Sewell to spark the side are way-off; I think they're trying to glorify his 'efforts' even further.
It was as clear as day that that incident changed the momentum of the game. It's also clear that Lloyd's courage to commit to the contest also inspired his team mates; these are why Lloyd should be commended, and not for supposedly setting out to take out an opponent.
Does make me look forward to next seasons first clash with you guys though, should be a ripper.
In the mean time, you guys have finals to worry about.
Good luck next week.Yep definitely. Rivalry round will be intense, Lloyd or no Lloyd.
Cheers.