My 2007 World Cup Squad [Archive]

DaveW

27 Mar 2003, 09:43

Not a bad list. I would look to fit Shaun Marsh in there somewhere. His century against NSW at Newcastle was pure class. The Australian batting line up is certainly going to have a very different look in four years time.

Also, Williams will be 32, Gillespie will be 31-32, with the injury troubles they've both had they'll be doing well to still be around in four years time. I hope they are though, especially Dizzy.

goaldrush

27 Mar 2003, 09:55

Originally posted by KevinPoulsen
North (WA)
Haddin (NSW)
Ponting (TAS)
Clarke (NSW)
Klinger (VIC)
Davies (SA)
Thornley (NSW)
Higgs (SA)
Hopes (QLD)
Watson (TAS)
Hauritz (QLD) or White (VIC)
Lee (NSW)
Noffke (QLD) or Williams (WA)
Gillespie (SA)
Bracken (NSW)
(Reserve Keeper) Clingeleffer (TAS) I doubt Gillespie would be playing.
The same with Chris Davies.

goaldrush

27 Mar 2003, 09:58

North
Clarke
Brant
Hopes
Hauritz
White
Harwood
Bracken
Lee
Noffke
Haddin
Young

My North

27 Mar 2003, 10:41

Or any new player that may come between now and 2007.

It a long time away

Fall Out Boy

27 Mar 2003, 13:04

Not a bad squad, but i couldn't possibly have Michael Klinger in there.

He might surprise me, but right now, he's not even up to domestic one-dayers.

roostersgal4eva

27 Mar 2003, 13:14

Originally posted by DaveW
Also, Williams will be 32, Gillespie will be 31-32, with the injury troubles they've both had they'll be doing well to still be around in four years time. I hope they are though, especially Dizzy.

and both would be younger than what Lehmann and McGrath are!

Originally posted by KevinPoulsen
North (WA)
Haddin (NSW)
Ponting (TAS)
Clarke (NSW)
Klinger (VIC)
Davies (SA)
Thornley (NSW)
Higgs (SA)
Hopes (QLD)
Watson (TAS)
Hauritz (QLD) or White (VIC)
Lee (NSW)
Noffke (QLD) or Williams (WA)
Gillespie (SA)
Bracken (NSW)
(Reserve Keeper) Clingeleffer (TAS)

agree with that except Clingeleffer would be first choice keeper

DaveW

27 Mar 2003, 13:55

Originally posted by roostersgal4eva
and both would be younger than what Lehmann and McGrath are!

Lehmann is a batsman, they tend to have longer life spans. We could well have at least one of the current 30-something batsmen still around in four years time. And McGrath hasn't had the same history with injuries that the other two have had. I re-iterate though, I certainly hope Gillespie can last another four years or more!

roostersgal4eva

27 Mar 2003, 14:01

Originally posted by DaveW
I certainly hope Gillespie can last another four years or more!

so do i Dave - fingers crossed! Jase surely has to have a change of luck sometime soon :(

anyrate - age is not an issue IMHO. If you are in form you get picked. Pure and Simple

CharlieG

27 Mar 2003, 14:22

Don't forget that Gilly and Hayden will be 35-36.... could quite possibly hang around until then.

Black Thunder

27 Mar 2003, 15:34

Looking at this WC Squad and their ages:

RIcky Ponting (29), Adam Gilchrist (32), Michael Bevan (33), Andy Bichel (33), Jason Gillespie (28), Ian Harvey (31), Matt Hayden (32), Brad Hogg (32), Brett Lee (27), Darren Lehmann (33), Jimmy Maher (29), Damien Martyn (32), Glenn McGrath (33), Andy Symonds (28), Shane Warne (34). Add to that Shane Watson (22), Nathan Bracken (26), Nathan Hauritz (22).

Now on face value that looks an old squad, but that is the way the Australian Cricket is tending to move at the moment. Very few players get into FC cricket before they are 22, and few players are getting their crack at International cricket before they are 26. That naturally pushes the age of our internatinal cricketers up. We don't have 19 year old prodigies rushed into the international team for each match. Our youngsters ease their way through the grade system, into the state team and work their way for 3 or 4 seasons before gtting a Australian shot. Only players who have really not done that are Clarke, Watson and Hauritz.

Anyway, those that will be around with ages in 4 yearsare Ponting (33), Gilchrist (36), Gillespie (32), Hayden (36), Lee (31), Maher (33), McGrath (37), Symonds (32), Watson (26), Bracken (30), Hauritz (26). Whether those guys are still upto international standard is another question. I think Gillespie and Gilchrist would've fallen down and be on the way out through FC cricket, as will Jimmy Maher. Hayden and McGrath IMO will still be playing for Australian then because they are incredibly fit and McGrath has such a stress free action. I also don't think Symonds will be upto international levels in 4 years time.

I also think a few people will surpass Bracken over the years, but he'll still be a fringe player.

Players to come through that have played FC/DOD cricket at the moment:

Batsmen - Michael Clarke (26) will be close to the batsmen in the world by then, Michael Dighton (31), Michael Hussey (32), Brad Hodge (33), Michael Klinger (27), Nick Kruger (24), Scott Mueleman (27), Daniel Paynes (29), Clinton Perren (32), Chris Rogers (30), Simon Katich (32), Shaun Marsh (24), Mark Cosgrove (23), Callum Ferguson (23), Marcus North (27).

Bowlers - Doug Bollinger (26), Scott Brant (24), Robert Cassell (24), Beau Casson (25) - doubt he will ever be an established one day player though, Michael Clark (29), Mark Cleary (27), Xavier Doherty (25), Brett Geeves (25), Adrian Griffith (29), James Hopes (29), Matthew Inness (29), Trent Kelly (23), Damien McKenzie (27), Ashley Noffke (30), Paul Rofe (26), Cameron White (24).

Then there are keepers such as Brad Haddin (30) ,Sean Clingeleffer (27) and Adam Crosthwaite (23).

So now we have our current crop of Ponting (33), Hayden (36), Lee (31), McGrath (37), Watson (26), Bracken (30), Hauritz (26).

Which leaves us with 8 spots to fill - 5 batsmen, a keeper and 2 bowlers (another spinner). Noffke will be the other quick and would've been for the past few seasons, while Rofe will just be beginning his international career, as will McKenzie, so the selectors will be trying to decide between the experienced Bracken against the up and coming interntional quicks of McKenzie and Rofe as the back up quick bowler. But i think that Rofe will get the nod. Matt Inness would also be one very close to selection. I'd say by 2007 he would've played in some form of international cricket if he keeps getting the numbers to add up season after season like they have been.

The spinner will be Cameron White - the ACB loves him. Xavier Doherty will provide stiff competition though. Nathan Hauritz would be an establish player for the Australian team by now.

Scott Brant and Doug Bollinger will just be starting to make some waves, but still wouldn't have enough experience yet and would be just outside the international squad.

The keeper will be Brad Haddin, Clingellefer will be ther reserve.

In terms of the batting to join Ponting and Hayden. Michael Clarke will be a well and truly establish member of the Australian team. Michael Hussey wil also be the established opener with Hayden. Marcus North would also be an established player in the team, from about 12 or 18 months before the WC2007 starts. Brad Hodge and the up and coming Shaun Marsh would be battling for the reserve spot, but Marsh will get it because he is younger. Will both the South Australia youngsters Mark Cosgrove and Callum Ferguson will be making their mark in FC cricket.

So the final squad would be:

Matt Hayden
Michael Hussey
Ricky Ponting - captain
Michael Clarke
Marcus North
Brad Haddin
Shane Watson
Nathan Hauritz
Brett Lee
Ashley Noffke
Glenn McGrath
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Shaun Marsh
Paul Rofe
Cameron White
Sean Clingeleffer

The test team will be similar except Martin Love will be batting 4, Watson will be just on the outside of the team. Beau Casson will also be pushing strongly for a test berth by then.

DaveW

27 Mar 2003, 16:15

Originally posted by Black Thunder
Bowlers - Doug Bollinger (26), Scott Brant (24), Robert Cassell (24), Beau Casson (25) - doubt he will ever be an established one day player though, Michael Clark (29), Mark Cleary (27), Xavier Doherty (25), Brett Geeves (25), Adrian Griffith (29), James Hopes (29), Matthew Inness (29), Trent Kelly (23), Damien McKenzie (27), Ashley Noffke (30), Paul Rofe (26), Cameron White (24).

I think Mitchell Johnson (25), Shaun Tait (24) and Aaron Bird (23) are worth mentioning too. And it's Adam Griffith, not Adrian.

Bresh

27 Mar 2003, 21:39

Originally posted by DaveW
I think Mitchell Johnson (25), Shaun Tait (24) and Aaron Bird (23) are worth mentioning too. And it's Adam Griffith, not Adrian.

Add to that Crosthwaite, Dan Cullen, Mark Cleary.

Esperito

27 Mar 2003, 22:23

Black Thunder..... why do you doubt Beau Casson's ability in one dayer's?

GoEagles

27 Mar 2003, 22:24

As much as I'd love it, I seriously doubt Gillespie's body will hold up for another 4 years. In fact 2 years might be pushing the limit. The guy deserves some luck!

Symonds could be a smokey... although some young kid could come along and overtake him.

Black Thunder

28 Mar 2003, 09:17

Originally posted by Esperito
Black Thunder..... why do you doubt Beau Casson's ability in one dayer's?

Left arm Wristies are never going to be a common sight in one day games. Yes, Brad Hogg has done very well for not an overly talented guy.

Beau Casson though has great ability, keep going the way he is and he'll definetaly be looking at playing test cricket.

Becker

28 Mar 2003, 09:28

Shaun Tait (SA) could be the quickest bowler in Australia by then, but his batting would need to improve.

Black Thunder

28 Mar 2003, 09:30

Originally posted by DaveW
I think Mitchell Johnson (25), Shaun Tait (24) and Aaron Bird (23) are worth mentioning too. And it's Adam Griffith, not Adrian.

Johnson is the queenslander right?? haven't seen him bowl, nor have i seen Tait bowl.

Bird is one i have seen bowl and he's gonna be a gun. We played Bankstown in round 1 this year and i was injured so i went up to watch him play against our first grade team, and he bowled bloody quick.

Another guy to watch out for is Greg Hunt, who is only 18 now and made a HEAP of runs playing first grade this year in Sydney. Same with Michael Bright (he got player of the tournament in the Australian u/19 championships).

Obviousbly neither of those guys will be ready in time for the next WC, but could be people on the list of contendors for WC 2011.

Yianni

28 Mar 2003, 09:52

Am I the only one who thinks that if Steve Waugh keeps going in domestic one day cricket like he has been, that he could have a crack at the squad?

Nige_Bix

28 Mar 2003, 17:37

2007 - yikes - I could be in a nursing home by then!! - probably in the room next to Steve Waugh! ;)

It will be very interesting if any of the current 30+ group will still be around by then!

And some of them might only be wanting to play tests by then - eg McGrath.

Gunnar Longshanks

22 Nov 2005, 14:17

ThePope

22 Nov 2005, 14:29

I think Gillespie and Gilchrist would've fallen down and be on the way out through FC cricket, as will Jimmy Maher. Hayden and McGrath IMO will still be playing for Australian then because they are incredibly fit and McGrath has such a stress free action. I also don't think Symonds will be upto international levels in 4 years time.
I also think a few people will surpass Bracken over the years, but he'll still be a fringe player.

Batsmen - Michael Clarke (26) will be close to the batsmen in the world by then, Noffke will be the other quick and would've been for the past few seasons, while Rofe will just be beginning his international career,
Matt Inness would also be one very close to selection.

Nathan Hauritz would be an establish player for the Australian team by now.

In terms of the batting to join Ponting and Hayden. Michael Clarke will be a well and truly establish member of the Australian team. Michael Hussey wil also be the established opener with Hayden. Marcus North would also be an established player in the team, from about 12 or 18 months before the WC2007 starts. Brad Hodge and the up and coming Shaun Marsh would be battling for the reserve spot, but Marsh will get it because he is younger.
The test team will be similar except Martin Love will be batting 4, Watson will be just on the outside of the team. Beau Casson will also be pushing strongly for a test berth by then.
Quite a few good predictions.. but quite a few duds too! Good effort all up!

Ysaye

22 Nov 2005, 15:18

The top order of Gilchrist/Haddin, Clarke and Ponting is unlikely to change much and of the bowlers Lee and McGrath will still be there. Symonds and Hussey will be part of the middle order so thats another two spots gone. So IMO there are spots for:

(1) a middle order batsman/Fielder
(2) an allrounder
(3) Spinner
(4) Seam/fast bowler

I reckon Adam Voges will be around about there as the batsman/fielder - a super clean hitting middle order batsman averaging in the forties(strike rate in the ninties), and an excellent fielder. Jaques will be around there too as will Hodge.

Would expect to see Thornley, Hopes and White to be also added to the possible allrounders (And as backup), along with Watson, but most likely Watson will be the answer. Can see Luke Ronchi as a backup Batsman/Keeper if Gilchrist is gone and Haddin promoted.

Dan Cullen is impressive - He will be the main spinner far before the rest. His teammate Tait should grab the last spot with Rofe as backup. So:

Gilchrist (WA)
Clarke (NSW)
Ponting (TAS)
Symonds (QLD)
Hussey (WA)
Voges (WA)
Watson (QLD)
Lee (NSW)
Cullen (SA)
Tait (SA)
McGrath (NSW)

Backup:
Jaques (NSW)
White (VIC)
Haddin (NSW) / Ronchi (WA)
Rofe (SA)

mjm28

22 Nov 2005, 15:36

Best XI:
Gilchrist
Jaques
Ponting
Clarke
M. Hussey
Symonds
White*
Lee
Warne
Bracken
McGrath

Subs:
Watson*
D. Hussey
Haddin
Tait

* Watson and White to be interchanged depending on who is batting better. I prefer White as a lower order hitter, but Watson might not be such a dud 18 months from now.

Exactly what I think too. Maybe add Thornley, Cosgrove and Hopes to that list.

We really need some fast bowlers to come on between now and then as back-up. It's only 1 1/2 seasons away now, so a couple must stand up.

Gunnar Longshanks

22 Nov 2005, 16:37

I reckon Adam Voges will be around about there as the batsman/fielder - a super clean hitting middle order batsman averaging in the forties(strike rate in the ninties), and an excellent fielder.

Gilchrist (WA)
Clarke (NSW)
Ponting (TAS)
Symonds (QLD)
Hussey (WA)
Voges (WA)
Watson (QLD)
Lee (NSW)
Cullen (SA)
Tait (SA)
McGrath (NSW)
He'll have to get a move on - there are quite a few guys ahead of him in the pecking order.

I'm not certain that Clarke is the best bet as an opening batsman. I think Phil Jaques might get the nod, meaning Clarke will bat at #4 or #5. That's one less middle order spot for someone like Voges.

Symonds is unlikely to bat at #4. That spot will be filled by one of Clarke, Martyn or Hussey.

footyfanatic007

22 Nov 2005, 17:05

Best XI:
Gilchrist
Jaques
Ponting
Clarke
M. Hussey
Symonds
White*
Lee
Warne
Bracken
McGrath

Subs:
Watson*
D. Hussey
Haddin
Tait

* Watson and White to be interchanged depending on who is batting better. I prefer White as a lower order hitter, but Watson might not be such a dud 18 months from now.

Everyones forgetting Shaun Tait, he has an injury and has completely gone off of the radar for the Ashes and World Cup. No way will Bracken be in front of Tait, if Tait was fit atm, he would be playing against the windies.

Gunnar Longshanks

22 Nov 2005, 17:25

Everyones forgetting Shaun Tait, he has an injury and has completely gone off of the radar for the Ashes and World Cup. No way will Bracken be in front of Tait, if Tait was fit atm, he would be playing against the windies.I listed him as a sub.

Tait is 22 and has not played a ODI. It would be silly to consider him an automatic selection given the form Lee and Bracken have shown so far this summer.

darrend05

22 Nov 2005, 18:09

Gunnar Longshanks

22 Nov 2005, 20:27

you are kidding right, mcgrath,hayden,warne still playing in 2007 and beyond.
dads army for sure...............
one thing for sure , once mcgrath and warne retire shortly australia will no longer be the best side in the world......Not too many people have listed Hayden in the WC squads so I don't know where you've produced his name from.

I'd expect Warne to still be playing Test cricket in 2007. Whether or not he comes out of retirement is up to him.

McGrath has stated that he wants to play the 2007 WC, and seeing as he remains the world's premier fast bowler, I have no reason to doubt his ability to continue for the requisite 18 months.

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