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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,26046647-19742,00.html
MATTHEW Lloyd will this week demand Essendon coach Matthew Knights tell him if he is wanted in 2010.If the answer is no, Collingwood, one of Essendon's greatest rivals, will likely offer him a lifeline to continue playing.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,26046647-19742,00.html
Another bollocks rumour. No way would Lloyd play on at another club.
Bomber32
9 Sep 2009, 00:10
Lloyd will play at Essendon for one last season or retire.
There is no way known he'll play for another club.
lmaohelp
9 Sep 2009, 00:12
this is a joke. he will not leave. and if he wasnt offered a contract at essendon he would retire
simple. stupid article
Ludwig van Bertstare
9 Sep 2009, 00:29
Shots fired at Windy Hill if this happens.
A champion of the club who is well past his best may retire.
It happens to all of us.
Life goes on.
Gunnar Longshanks
9 Sep 2009, 06:19
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,26046647-19742,00.html
EXCLUSIVE: MATTHEW Lloyd will this week demand Essendon coach Matthew Knights tell him if he is wanted in 2010. If the answer is no, Collingwood, one of Essendon's greatest rivals, will likely offer him a lifeline to continue playing.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,26046647-19742,00.html
Sounds like some pretty tenuous bullshit, doesn't it?
One thing I don't miss about Melbourne is the Herald-Sun.
Is there even a skerrick of a chance that Lloyd will be playing elsewhere in 2010?
The Donners
9 Sep 2009, 06:49
Lloyd should play for Essendon from the goalsquare.
Otherwise, 1st round draft pick. Unlikely so forget it.
Does Patrick Smith work for the Herald Sun now?
Wow. I want Lloydy to play on at Essendon. I can't see anything happening though.
hird+lloyd=legends
9 Sep 2009, 08:55
Why does everyone think that Lloyd wouldn' t consider going to anothoer club if Knights tells him he doesn't want him? He is a footballer who wants to play football.
I dont want him to go but just saying
table tennis
9 Sep 2009, 09:30
If Lloyd is unhappy with the role he plays at Essendon, then go. Club is by far bigger than the player.
I love ya Lloydy, but don't dare hold this club to ransom, you were given an opportunity to become the Matthew Lloyd that you are because of this club, the club does not owe you anything, you owe the club.
You have been a magnificent player for this great club of ours, don't end it on a sour note. play your role for the future, or retire. Dont do yourself an injustice of playing for the scum at the lexus centre.
Do your bit for the future, and when success happens down the track, sit in your lounge chair and take pleasure in knowing that you contributed to thier development through selflesness.....
Do the right thing Lloydy.
zen dice man
9 Sep 2009, 10:17
Absolute filth. Dont take any notice of this trash guys.
If the club tells him that he isnt wanted to play he is wanted as a specialst forward coach at EFC. Dont worry about it, he wont leave us.
zen dice man
9 Sep 2009, 10:22
True Bullocks perpetuated by people that want to bring down our club.
If he doesn't play with us next year, he will be a specialist forward coach at EFC.
Flying_dutchman
9 Sep 2009, 10:23
Who did who a favour?? Matthew Lloyd doesn't owe our club anything... Essendon have got more then they could ever hope for out of him. He is a champion.
This arogant attitude that he has to stay another year in a compromised role or retire is ridiculous. Would any of you do it in your occupations?? He has already put up with it the last season or so which has damaged his reputation. He may be past his best but he is still a lot better then he is given credit for due to the position he has been forced to play for "THE TEAM".
Have a look at yourselves anyone that is that hipocritical they would begrudge a man trying to get the most out of his last years in the game. He would be a focal point in almost any other forward line but ours next year. Why wouldn't he consider it. I certainly wouldn't blame him.
lukegags
9 Sep 2009, 10:23
Why do all you essendon supporters think he will give it away rather than play for another team? I actually think it'll be win-win. the dons aren't going to win a flag in the next two years, collingwood might. It will also give guys like Neagle, Hurley, Gumbelton the chance to develop in key roles. I'm not sure Llyody plays great footy away from full forward, and it seems knighta isn't too keen to play him there 100%. I'd go if i were Llyody. It will break hearts, but everyone will end up a winner imo.
nighthawk
9 Sep 2009, 10:40
True Bullocks perpetuated by people that want to bring down our club.
If he doesn't play with us next year, he will be a specialist forward coach at EFC.
Exactly, no way would someone like Matthew Lloyd, a player who will be remembered, want to tarnish his career by doing something like that.
Someone like Mark Johnson or Kepler Bradley, (MJ might have been a great servant but let's face it he won't be remembered in history) would move on for a bit more money and a chance to play for a bit longer, but I would be shocked if Lloyd would do it.
Also, I would be suprised if we could even get a second round pick for him. Who would trade a potential 10-15 year player for a guy who has had poor form this year, is suspended for the start of next year, and has one-two years left max, not accounting for injuries.
nighthawk
9 Sep 2009, 10:48
If Lloyd is unhappy with the role he plays at Essendon, then go. Club is by far bigger than the player.
I love ya Lloydy, but don't dare hold this club to ransom, you were given an opportunity to become the Matthew Lloyd that you are because of this club, the club does not owe you anything, you owe the club.
You have been a magnificent player for this great club of ours, don't end it on a sour note. play your role for the future, or retire. Dont do yourself an injustice of playing for the scum at the lexus centre.
Do your bit for the future, and when success happens down the track, sit in your lounge chair and take pleasure in knowing that you contributed to thier development through selflesness.....
Do the right thing Lloydy.
Alright, you've convinced me. I'll do it.
- Matthew Lloyd
Lance Uppercut
9 Sep 2009, 10:54
as much as I hate to even consider it, if he wanted to leave, and you could actually get something worthwhile for him, you'd have to have it on the table as an option.
Either that, or you get one more year out of a club champion, then nothing.
I'm not saying I'd like him to leave by any stretch; but if it gave him what he wanted, and gave us something in return (some sort of reasonable pick - it obviously wouldn't be too high), then we'd also have the chance to start building the forward line in a post Lloyd/Lucas landscape...
Flying_dutchman
9 Sep 2009, 11:02
I love ya Lloydy, but don't dare hold this club to ransom, you were given an opportunity to become the Matthew Lloyd that you are because of this club, the club does not owe you anything, you owe the club.
Do the right thing Lloydy.
So Matthew Lloyd is only Matthew Lloyd because we swindled him out of Fremantle??? I agree if he stayed at Freo then he probably wouldn't have gotten what he has out of his career. But to say his achievements could only have been due to him coming to Essendon is absurd. Great players are great players, we are the ones that owe him not vice versa. That ignorant comment makes me mad.
essendon2008
9 Sep 2009, 11:04
as much as I hate to even consider it, if he wanted to leave, and you could actually get something worthwhile for him, you'd have to have it on the table as an option.
Either that, or you get one more year out of a club champion, then nothing.
I'm not saying I'd like him to leave by any stretch; but if it gave him what he wanted, and gave us something in return (some sort of reasonable pick - it obviously wouldn't be too high), then we'd also have the chance to start building the forward line in a post Lloyd/Lucas landscape...
Agree, sadly.
lukegags
9 Sep 2009, 11:04
as much as I hate to even consider it, if he wanted to leave, and you could actually get something worthwhile for him, you'd have to have it on the table as an option.
Either that, or you get one more year out of a club champion, then nothing.
I'm not saying I'd like him to leave by any stretch; but if it gave him what he wanted, and gave us something in return (some sort of reasonable pick - it obviously wouldn't be too high), then we'd also have the chance to start building the forward line in a post Lloyd/Lucas landscape...
You will not get anything higher then pick 40 for Matthew Llyod i wouldn't think....
dalethomas13
9 Sep 2009, 11:18
I honestly hope Lloyd remains a one-club player and Essendon can come to an agreement with him.
He is a club and AFL champion, one of the greatest goal kickers of all time and more importantly the club captain.
I would definitely be making enquiries into his availability because he easily has 2 possibly 3 good seasons left in him at FF. His experience to the young guys around him is invaluable.
essendon2008
9 Sep 2009, 11:18
cya later:thumbsu:
Terrible attitude. Even though he has done very little lately, I'm sure you were cheering for him during his great years. The man was an absolute star, let's not forget this.
After reading the article again i was surprised at Eddie's comments, he didn't rule it out at all, I'm sure that if it was just a wild rumour then Eddie would say it's nonsense.
Also it sounds like Lloydy wants to play strictly at FF, and Knights (fairly IMO) doesn't want to do this as he is trying to develop Neagle there.
To be honest i would be sad to see him go but i believe if he can get a year or two somewhere then good luck to him.
Gus2Gumby
9 Sep 2009, 11:21
If this does actually happen, would that make his first game back from suspension ANZAC Day?
That would be interesting...
If this does actually happen, would that make his first game back from suspension ANZAC Day?
That would be interesting...
His first game back will be in Round 4 so the week before ANZAC Day.
I think (and hope) he'll stay a one club player. He bleeds red and black.
Gus2Gumby
9 Sep 2009, 11:34
His first game back will be in Round 4 so the week before ANZAC Day.
I think (and hope) he'll stay a one club player. He bleeds red and black.
Ah yep. Forgot to count last Friday!
thebigboy
9 Sep 2009, 11:39
Hypothetically, if he does want to leave and wants to join Collingwood, what would we be able to get for him?
He's not going to be able to get there in the PSD as a host of clubs, including ourselves, would take him before Collingwood.
Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player?
It was reported that Knights was quite keen on Sidebottom after what he did in the TAC Cup GF. Perhaps he would/could be part of the deal.
Terrible attitude. Even though he has done very little lately, I'm sure you were cheering for him during his great years. The man was an absolute star, let's not forget this.
After reading the article again i was surprised at Eddie's comments, he didn't rule it out at all, I'm sure that if it was just a wild rumour then Eddie would say it's nonsense.
Also it sounds like Lloydy wants to play strictly at FF, and Knights (fairly IMO) doesn't want to do this as he is trying to develop Neagle there.
To be honest i would be sad to see him go but i believe if he can get a year or two somewhere then good luck to him.
How is it a terrible attitude, Lloyd is the one giving the ultimatum to the club who he thinks he's is bigger than saying "sign me up now or I'm off too Collingwood" If Essendon had to bow down to these stupid threats from every player the team would never go forward and rebuild. Yes I did cheer him in the early days, as a matter of fact I still do, but if he is going to stop the development of a young KPP that is also something the club need to consider. Personally I hope he stays, even for depth purposes but I cant stand the fact he is using the I'm off to Collingwood if you dont sign me now crap.
Anyway guys we dont even know if this is true so not sure why we are getting so worried about it.
nighthawk
9 Sep 2009, 11:47
Hypothetically, if he does want to leave and wants to join Collingwood, what would we be able to get for him?
He's not going to be able to get there in the PSD as a host of clubs, including ourselves, would take him before Collingwood.
Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player?
It was reported that Knights was quite keen on Sidebottom after what he did in the TAC Cup GF. Perhaps he would/could be part of the deal.
Oh hell no! We would be lucky to get a 2nd or 3rd alone. You're dreaming.
Said this in an identical thread, but he is a player who has had a poor year, is suspended for the first few weeks of next year, and maybe has a year or two left in him if he is lucky with injury. Who would trade Sidebottom or a 1st/2nd rounder for that?!
Ah yep. Forgot to count last Friday!
That's alright. I don't blame you for wanting to forget about last Friday :p
At least it looks like we'll have a much clearer picture about what's happening by the end of the week.
I will respect whatever he chooses to do. If he continues at the dons then he wont be the player we know an love where as if he went to another club it would show that hes still a gun forward. Hes given back heaps to this club an if we are unable to give him the oppotunities hes deserved then its his choice on what to do. It would be great to see Lloyd v Fletch in a game hehe the ultimate test :D
I think this article is a joke by the way their is no link to collingwood cant believe it made the back page of the paper.
He's not going anywhere.
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/84452/default.aspx
Pies have no interest in Lloyd
Jonathon Bernard
11:58 AM Wed 09 September, 2009
Amid speculation in the media regarding the possible recruitment of Essendon captain Matthew Lloyd next season, defensive coach Mark Neeld confirmed on Wednesday morning the veteran is not on the club’s radar.
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/84452/default.aspx
Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player? .
These are the kind of biased comments that make me cringe...is he worth a 1st round pick? We'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder. He will be a 15year player, misses the first 4 games of next year and averaged less than 2 goals a game this year. In saying that, I hope he comes back next year without the captaincy and retires with class that he deserves.
Flying_dutchman
9 Sep 2009, 13:37
These are the kind of biased comments that make me cringe...is he worth a 1st round pick?
I believe it was a question, not a comment... You make me cringe.
I think you will find this is all media bs. Someone from the club, probably to boot studder, has been asked a question like "would you take Lloyd if he was available" and the have said "we would look at it". Hardly a contract offer.
Collingwood won't want to pay anything much (3rd or 4th round pick), if at all, for a 1-2 year player, espcially when they have Rocca on their list. With Cloke and Anthony already there isn't space for another key forward.
More importantly if we don't offer him a contract then he has every right to find employment elsewhere. This doesn't change his status within the club based on all the goals and years of service he has already supplied.
How is it a terrible attitude, Lloyd is the one giving the ultimatum to the club who he thinks he's is bigger than saying "sign me up now or I'm off too Collingwood" If Essendon had to bow down to these stupid threats from every player the team would never go forward and rebuild.No he's not. Mark Robinson said that.
far too many getting carried away with silly comments here - the only comments direct from a club are mark neeld denying collingwood have any interest. there's been nothing from essendon, lloyd or his manager...
wait patiently for a couple of days and this will all be resolved...
bombersno1
9 Sep 2009, 14:41
Thing is I would not be against it. He is at the end of his career, and if Neagle/Hurley/Gumbleton are the forwards then I have nothing against Lloyd being traded but I'd want a decent pick in return or perhaps a 3rd rounder plus Sharrod Welligham
Boucks09
9 Sep 2009, 14:51
Let me start by saying that I expect Lloyd to play on next year at Essendon but stand down from the captaincy.
However I still feel that this issue of him playing on is a little more involved than people are willing to believe. There is a lot is rumour and unsubstantiated innuendo, yet there are a range of issues which need to be resolved before Lloyd resigns.
To put this in context lets remember the following:
- Lloyd is the greatest goal kicker our club has ever produced and is in the top 10 goal kickers that the game has ever produced
- He has played 270 games which is in the very top echelon of players at our club
Were it not for Hird, Lloyd would clearly be the best player we have produced since Watson and Madden.
Now lets look at the way that Hird and Lucas have been treated in their final year.
- Hird was begged to play on by his coach (Sheedy) and the general public
- Hird went out on top, playing terrific football, winning a B&F and with his reputation enhanced.
- Lucas spent half the season in the VFL
- Lucas had no farewell game
- Lucas went out amid constant calls that he was no longer up to the standard from fans and the public
Now having seen both these champions (and close friends) it wouldn't take Einstein to figure out which champion Lloyd would prefer to emulate in his retiring year.
For me the main issues that Lloydy is grappling with now are:
- A perceived lack of desire and want from the coach for him to play on next season
- A frustration that his reputation is being diminished by being forced to play out of position in his latter years
- A frustration that his leadership is being forgotten and that he is still the captain of the Essendon Football Club
Whilst Lloyd has been an outstanding captain (I have been on record as saying better than Hird on numerous occasions), he is still an individual and has an ego and sense of pride. My feeling is that he does not feel as if he is being treated with the level of respect that he deserves given his outstanding contribution to the club both on and off the field. It is also worth noting that his previous coach wanted to trade him before he got the sack; something that would never have happened to a Hird, Watson or Madden.
It is easy for people to sit back and criticise Lloyd for putting himself before the team, but I feel that the club owes Matty Lloyd much much more than he owes the club. That is not to say that they should give him an extra year as a farewell tour: rather he deserves to be treated with the same level of respect as the previous greats of the club.
I can understand that Knights does not want to influence Lloyd's decision to play on. I can also understand Knights wanting to develop our forwardline for the post-Lloyd era. However it is important that we keep Lloyd in our side next season.
To lose him now would not only hurt one of our greatest champions, but would also hurt our players, our sponsors and our fans.
I'm sure Knighta will look Lloyd in the eye, tell him his is a much loved and wanted player but will be required to continue playing a semi-sacrificial role next season; a role that Lloyd will play with class and impact.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
j
That's quite a stutter you've got there.
stillGOTmyBEANIE
9 Sep 2009, 15:08
Who did who a favour?? Matthew Lloyd doesn't owe our club anything... Essendon have got more then they could ever hope for out of him. He is a champion.
This arogant attitude that he has to stay another year in a compromised role or retire is ridiculous. Would any of you do it in your occupations?? He has already put up with it the last season or so which has damaged his reputation. He may be past his best but he is still a lot better then he is given credit for due to the position he has been forced to play for "THE TEAM".
Have a look at yourselves anyone that is that hipocritical they would begrudge a man trying to get the most out of his last years in the game. He would be a focal point in almost any other forward line but ours next year. Why wouldn't he consider it. I certainly wouldn't blame him.
as much as I hate to even consider it, if he wanted to leave, and you could actually get something worthwhile for him, you'd have to have it on the table as an option.
Either that, or you get one more year out of a club champion, then nothing.
I'm not saying I'd like him to leave by any stretch; but if it gave him what he wanted, and gave us something in return (some sort of reasonable pick - it obviously wouldn't be too high), then we'd also have the chance to start building the forward line in a post Lloyd/Lucas landscape...
Agree with both of these :thumbsu:
You guys have saved me some typing :p:thumbsu:
That's quite a stutter you've got there.
Stutters usually happen at the start of the word. I was stretching out the 'O' in "LOL" to highlight how incrediblly funny the prospect of Lloyd leaving Essendon for Collingwood is
zen dice man
9 Sep 2009, 16:17
Let me start by saying that I expect Lloyd to play on next year at Essendon but stand down from the captaincy.
However I still feel that this issue of him playing on is a little more involved than people are willing to believe. There is a lot is rumour and unsubstantiated innuendo, yet there are a range of issues which need to be resolved before Lloyd resigns.
To put this in context lets remember the following:
- Lloyd is the greatest goal kicker our club has ever produced and is in the top 10 goal kickers that the game has ever produced
- He has played 270 games which is in the very top echelon of players at our club
Were it not for Hird, Lloyd would clearly be the best player we have produced since Watson and Madden.
Now lets look at the way that Hird and Lucas have been treated in their final year.
- Hird was begged to play on by his coach (Sheedy) and the general public
- Hird went out on top, playing terrific football, winning a B&F and with his reputation enhanced.
- Lucas spent half the season in the VFL
- Lucas had no farewell game
- Lucas went out amid constant calls that he was no longer up to the standard from fans and the public
Now having seen both these champions (and close friends) it wouldn't take Einstein to figure out which champion Lloyd would prefer to emulate in his retiring year.
For me the main issues that Lloydy is grappling with now are:
- A perceived lack of desire and want from the coach for him to play on next season
- A frustration that his reputation is being diminished by being forced to play out of position in his latter years
- A frustration that his leadership is being forgotten and that he is still the captain of the Essendon Football Club
Whilst Lloyd has been an outstanding captain (I have been on record as saying better than Hird on numerous occasions), he is still an individual and has an ego and sense of pride. My feeling is that he does not feel as if he is being treated with the level of respect that he deserves given his outstanding contribution to the club both on and off the field. It is also worth noting that his previous coach wanted to trade him before he got the sack; something that would never have happened to a Hird, Watson or Madden.
It is easy for people to sit back and criticise Lloyd for putting himself before the team, but I feel that the club owes Matty Lloyd much much more than he owes the club. That is not to say that they should give him an extra year as a farewell tour: rather he deserves to be treated with the same level of respect as the previous greats of the club.
I can understand that Knights does not want to influence Lloyd's decision to play on. I can also understand Knights wanting to develop our forwardline for the post-Lloyd era. However it is important that we keep Lloyd in our side next season.
To lose him now would not only hurt one of our greatest champions, but would also hurt our players, our sponsors and our fans.
I'm sure Knighta will look Lloyd in the eye, tell him his is a much loved and wanted player but will be required to continue playing a semi-sacrificial role next season; a role that Lloyd will play with class and impact.
Very well articulate answer with an excellent outcome. Great post
Kickett Punches Read
9 Sep 2009, 16:21
Hypothetically, if he does want to leave and wants to join Collingwood, what would we be able to get for him?
He's not going to be able to get there in the PSD as a host of clubs, including ourselves, would take him before Collingwood.
Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player?
It was reported that Knights was quite keen on Sidebottom after what he did in the TAC Cup GF. Perhaps he would/could be part of the deal.
correct me if im wrong, but lloyd could go in the national draft and be picked up at pick 99 if he lasted that long...... i would think that collingwood would not mind getting him with their fourth round pick... id be surprised if essendon got anything for the great man if they decided that they did not want him any more
I have no doubts he'll play at Essendon next year, saying that if he is traded we would get a 2nd round pick for him.
I see no issue with what he is doing if
1) Knights has told him he doesn't want him at the club anymore (which I believe he has said to him)
2) He still has the passion to play
3) Another club would be interested.
If he was at another club next year I'd still cheer every goal he kicked.
thebigboy
9 Sep 2009, 17:39
correct me if im wrong, but lloyd could go in the national draft and be picked up at pick 99 if he lasted that long...... i would think that collingwood would not mind getting him with their fourth round pick... id be surprised if essendon got anything for the great man if they decided that they did not want him any more
True, he could go into the national draft, but he would face the situation that any of the 16 clubs could take him and he certainly wouldn't get to the very bottom picks in the draft.
Honestly, I know I threw up the idea of a 1st round pick or 2nd round pick and a player, and that is more than what he is worth. But really, the chances of him going to another club is very slim. He will be a EFC player in 2010 or he will retire.
If Collingwood want him, they are going to have to pay a little bit over the odds. If they are prepared to let him go into the draft, they probably won't get him.
Darealrath
9 Sep 2009, 22:06
I'd be physically ill if he plays for another club.
A club legend who is being absolutely shafted. Play him ff next season and he'll kick 50 goals no problem.
kelvin_sheedy
9 Sep 2009, 22:22
I don't know what it is but I would have no qualms about Lloyd playing for another club.
I was gutted when Hardwick left. Wanganeen also. If Fletch played for another I'd be distraught but I just don't hold the same love for Lloyd.
Heck I consider Hird, Fletcher, Wanganeen, Long to be better players than him over the past 20 years.
If we can get something for him then we should look at it. There's not much point in giving him a farewell tour when we need to take the side in a different direction.
EVERLAST
9 Sep 2009, 22:29
He derserves to leave on his own terms, simple as that! Knights needs to understand that despite his position at the club, he still has much to prove to the Essendon faithful, whereas Lloyd has accomplished just that.
Any man deserves to be given what he has brought to the table over his life and Matty is no different. To have it potentially taken away prematurely what is rightfully his is dissrespectful and demoralising.
Besides, Hurley aside, we have current no capable full forwards.
He deserves to bow out on a better note than round 22 2009.
lmaohelp
9 Sep 2009, 23:35
I'd be physically ill if he plays for another club.
A club legend who is being absolutely shafted. Play him ff next season and he'll kick 50 goals no problem.
agreed.
He deserves to be played at FF and deserves every chance to get to 1000 goals.
If Knights can't tell Lloyd that he wants him to play on for us, I hope he goes on somewhere else and shoves it right up us.
I'd prefer he stayed and kick 50 for us though! :)
FBDonkey
10 Sep 2009, 03:57
I don't know what it is but I would have no qualms about Lloyd playing for another club.
If Fletch played for another club I'd be distraught but I just don't hold the same love for Lloyd.
If we can get something for him then we should look at it. There's not much point in giving him a farewell tour when we need to take the side in a different direction.
I feel the same way :thumbsu:
We should have traded Lloyd a few years ago. Just because he is a club champion doesnt mean that he should be able to get in the way of our future progress. Sentimentality shouldn't get in the way of success.
Im not a huge fan of Knights, but if he thinks getting rid of Lloyd and Lucas is the right thing to do then im happy to back him in. I think i would actually like Llloyd more if he played for another club (though maybe not collingwood).
Daniher and Gumbleton need to come into our team next year, Paddy/Hille will need a spot up forward, and Neagle needs some time at FF in a team that is actually kicking goals.
For Lloyd to leave on a good note (and to be a chance at the 1000), he needs to spend the whole season at FF. This is obviously not in Knights' plan and rightly so. There is clearly no room for Lloydy at Essendon in 2010.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7020
Lloyd will be signed by the end of next week.:thumbsu:
mojon95
10 Sep 2009, 12:40
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=608172
I know most bomber fans will burn me at the stake for saying this but i wouldnt lose any sleep if he pulls up stumps and never plays again. His impact on games is diminishing every game. And as scotty lucas showed, big forwards tend to get old fast.
AJ_2000
10 Sep 2009, 12:54
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7020
Lloyd will be signed by the end of next week.:thumbsu:
Heard the interview on SEN this morning. The Knights said all the right things about having the discussion about Lloyd and his future, but I would stop short of saying that he 100% wants him in the team next seaon.
Knights is always measured with what he says in the media, and true to form did not over play his desire to resign Lloyd.
AFL LEGEND
10 Sep 2009, 13:01
Round 3, Friday Night Football
Essendon Versus Carlton
Matthew Lloyd
10 kicks
6 handballs
81% disposal efficiency
10 marks (4 contested)
8 contested possesions
1 tackle
1 score assist
5 goals 1 behind
Round 15, Saturday Afternoon football
Sydney Versus Essendon
Matthew Lloyd
10 kicks
5 handballs
8 marks
2 tackles
3 goals 2 behinds
Seems a long time ago these games, shame they were only this year? people seem to distant themselves from the real facts dont they.
Let him come to terms with our game plan, the club is bigger than the individual, but he is a club champion and one who should be left to do this on his own terms.
bacon buster
10 Sep 2009, 13:18
club is bigger than the individual, doesn't matter who it is
hird got away with making his own call, because he could still have a massive influence on games. lloyd can't really do that anymore
the last game i really feel he made a massive impact on, was the carlton game. maybe the hawks game. the sydney game he was ok.
FBDonkey
10 Sep 2009, 13:43
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7020
Lloyd will be signed by the end of next week.:thumbsu:
That article certainly does not say Lloyd will be signed by the end of the week. Its basically just Knights repeating what he has said before and that is:
Lloyd will not be played at full forward. If he wants to play on he has to understand this and be prepared to sacrifice his own desire for goals for the development of the team.
Maybe if Lloyd hadnt been injured so seriously, he might have still had the pace to play up the ground but Lloyd is a FULL FORWARD, and a FF only. He will not be given the chance to play this role at essendon in 2010 so he should just leave (preferably to another club)
FBDonkey
10 Sep 2009, 13:50
Seems a long time ago these games, shame they were only this year? people seem to distant themselves from the real facts dont they.
Lloyd played 18 games this season and maybe only 4 good games, whereas he was very quiet in at least 8 of the games. Using 2 games where he did ok to justify him playing in 2010 seems a bit of a stretch to me.
Kaiser Powser
10 Sep 2009, 13:57
Lloyd played 18 games this season and maybe only 4 good games, whereas he was very quiet in at least 8 of the games. Using 2 games where he did ok to justify him playing in 2010 seems a bit of a stretch to me.
How many good games did Neagle and Gumbleton put together?
Zero.
Fact is we still need him next year, as our forward line is well short of the rest of our development. And no, having Neagle get like two kicks a week in the AFL is not beneficial for his development. Fitness and confidence are, which he can get in the VFL.
FBDonkey
10 Sep 2009, 14:09
How many good games did Neagle and Gumbleton put together?
Zero.
Fact is we still need him next year, as our forward line is well short of the rest of our development. And no, having Neagle get like two kicks a week in the AFL is not beneficial for his development. Fitness and confidence are, which he can get in the VFL.
Poor post.
Firstly, Gumby didnt play this year and Neagle is not expected to dominate yet. Neagle is being given a chance to improve and Gumby a chance to recover.
Note that it is not just these two competiting for forward line spots next year. Hurley, Hille, Ryder and Daniher will also be in the mix.
Secondly, do you even know how our VFL side went this year? They failed to win a game and had a percentage of 54. How is a full forward supposed to develop and gain confidence in a team like that? It would be more like him just standing around getting cold.
club is bigger than the individual, doesn't matter who it is
A club is made up of it's history. One of the things I love most about Essendon has been the way it embraces it's great and proud history. Great players have made this club what it is. Lloyd is one of those and deserves his chance to go out the way he wants. Premierships are the all important goal that we all strive for but not far behind that is being able to be proud to say you barrack for a great club. We do not struggle week after week to fill stadiums, nor do we throw bags of money around willy-nilly to buy flags or harbour criminals. We do things like being the first with a hall of fame.
A club may be "bigger than the individual" but it is also made up of great individuals. There have not been many 1000 goal goal kickers in the game and, maybe he'll now miss it, BUT if it does happen, I'd rather it be in an Essendon jumper than any other.
I know this is an old-fashioned view :( but it's still what makes Essendon stand above the rest IMO.
saladin
10 Sep 2009, 14:46
lloydy missing the 1000 goal mark - if he does miss it - is due almost entirely to the hamstring of the bone issue.
Kaiser Powser
10 Sep 2009, 14:56
Poor post.
Firstly, Gumby didnt play this year and Neagle is not expected to dominate yet. Neagle is being given a chance to improve and Gumby a chance to recover.
Note that it is not just these two competiting for forward line spots next year. Hurley, Hille, Ryder and Daniher will also be in the mix.
Secondly, do you even know how our VFL side went this year? They failed to win a game and had a percentage of 54. How is a full forward supposed to develop and gain confidence in a team like that? It would be more like him just standing around getting cold.
It was not a poor post, it was just the facts. We got nothing from Neagle or Gumbleton this year and we are a chance of the same thing occuring next year.
None of the players you mentioned are forwards, they are two ruckmen and two young key-defenders. The fact that we would even need to play them forward highlights our shortage of key forwards.
As for your VFL point, fair enough, but you could play Lloyd and Neagle if you had to and Neagle would therefore get the 2nd defender, allowing him a better opportunity.
The fact is we were a better team when Lloyd was playing well, it's no surprise that our form fell away as Lloyd's did with injury. I know future planning and youth are the AFL buzz-words these days, but if we fail to make the finals next year then we have taken a massive step backwards, and if we fail to fill this void in our forward line we will not make the finals.
Lloyd is required simple as that. We cannot simply cross our fingers and hope that Gumbleton and Neagle start to dominate.
What does Lloyd want more?
To be FF kicking goals (at another club)
or
To be CHF helping in the development of the club that has got him to where he is today.
Whatever the decision, I think we win.
FBDonkey
10 Sep 2009, 15:12
None of the players you mentioned are forwards, they are two ruckmen and two young key-defenders. The fact that we would even need to play them forward highlights our shortage of key forwards.
Ryder and Hille are too good to sit on the bench when not rucking so between them they make a forward. With Fletch, Pears and Hooker manning the backline, that makes Daniher and Hurley forwards. Both these players have spent time at CHB and CHF but would be more damaging as forwards.
Neagle is very much like Lloyd. He can only play full forward. So if Lloyd is FF where does Neagle play to take the 2nd defender? Of if Neagle is FF where does Lloyd play?
Kaiser Powser
10 Sep 2009, 15:53
Ryder and Hille are too good to sit on the bench when not rucking so between them they make a forward. With Fletch, Pears and Hooker manning the backline, that makes Daniher and Hurley forwards. Both these players have spent time at CHB and CHF but would be more damaging as forwards.
Neagle is very much like Lloyd. He can only play full forward. So if Lloyd is FF where does Neagle play to take the 2nd defender? Of if Neagle is FF where does Lloyd play?
If Neagle finds form you play Lloyd from a flank. In Neagle is struggling you play him from a pocket. Two leading forwards is not overkill.
Knights wants Lloyd to play on in 2010
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7022
“The coach told Lloyd he wants him to play on next year," Hamilton said.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7022
He still has a huge influence on the ground. It's not just his poss/goal count, but his presence on the ground.
If we are playing the Bulldogs Lake will stick with him the whole game. If he isn't Lake will be running off Neagle etc and getting 25 touches.
Lloyd should and will play on next year.
The Donners
10 Sep 2009, 17:08
Hasn't he had all year to think about it?
If he still needs more time to think about it then the offer given by Knights isn't what he wanted or he was going to call it quits but the offer was too good to refuse and he wanted to speak with Lisa again.
The thing about Lloyd is that if he plays on next year, he's going to give it 110%. Good on ya Lloydy! :thumbsu:
nighthawk
10 Sep 2009, 19:15
Seems incredibly unlikely now:
The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26050776-2722,00.html
Meanwhile, Collingwood yesterday denied it would recruit Essendon captain Matthew Lloyd after a media report linked him to the Magpies should he end his career with the Bombers. Collingwood assistant coach Mark Neeld said it would be highly unlikely that Lloyd's name would even be mentioned by the Pies in list management and recruiting discussions.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26050776-2722,00.html
There's more too. And apologies if that was improperly referenced.
Bomber57
10 Sep 2009, 19:42
Knights wants Lloyd to play on in 2010
“The coach told Lloyd he wants him to play on next year," Hamilton said.
Most likely true, But was there a BUT in the conversation somewhere???????:cool:Mmmmm that's the question.
The Donners
10 Sep 2009, 19:58
Most likely true, But was there a BUT in the conversation somewhere???????:cool:Mmmmm that's the question.
I agree but it could also be more positive than negative.
footycool
11 Sep 2009, 10:36
Knights has said to him that its lloyd option now to play on or retire and he will support him in either way.
What are your guys opinion on what he should do?
This wouldn't even be thread worthy if Knights had of been just a wee more sanguine.
It should have been an in house issue and despite the fairness of Knights call earlier this year re Lucas and Lloyd deciding their own futures, he should have, could have and didn't pull on his management strides to cease this stupid debate and media wrangle over Lloyd.
Simply put Knights let the pressure build on Lloyd when he should have said he was required at EFC. Regardless of what he felt. That would have really given ML the time knights said he was wanting to give him.
Knights has hung ML out to dry. And it has naught to with ML's merit next year or not in the best 22. Just poor media handling form Knights.
And Matty Lloyd is in our best 8 next year not just our best 22.
Matttttttty K is the one who should be under the thread light here not Matty L.
Call Me Cake
11 Sep 2009, 12:29
Winning a final next year with him in the side would be poetic justice IMO.
That way he'll feel as if he's done his job as a captain to lead us to one definite step on the victory ladder and leave with a sound mind. A proper send off would be the right way to go. I'm sure if he knew 2010 was going to be his last year, he'd take a advantage of the pre-season and show some hard earned magic that'll stay with the boys forever.
He's produced some memorable and inspiration moments for the youngsters. And with Gumby coming in, he'll set an example.
Efforts like these cement his position in the side no matter how old he is...
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People are so quick to forget.
footycool
11 Sep 2009, 13:07
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-lloyds-future-in-own-hands/story-e6frf9uf-1225771738016
BOMBERS captain Matthew Lloyd will decide if he wants to play next year within the next week.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-lloyds-future-in-own-hands/story-e6frf9uf-1225771738016
What do you think?
bacon buster
11 Sep 2009, 13:28
no, but those videos date back to rounds 3 and 7 this year.
TeamHurley
11 Sep 2009, 13:29
:thumbsu:http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-lloyds-future-in-own-hands/story-e6frf9uf-1225771738016
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-lloyds-future-in-own-hands/story-e6frf9uf-1225771738016
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What do you think?
Whatever happens, well played essendon :thumbsu:
DapperDon
11 Sep 2009, 13:29
I think if he wanted to play on he would have told them by now, I hope he does play on, but if he doesn't make him forward coach as Jay couldn't learn off anyone better.
footycool
11 Sep 2009, 13:30
its good cause he gets to make his own choice,very little percentage of players get to do this
Call Me Cake
11 Sep 2009, 13:34
those videos date back to rounds 3 and 7 this year.
Ehem, it was Round 13.
Thanks for proving my point. :thumbsd:
People are so quick to forget.
FBDonkey
11 Sep 2009, 13:55
Ehem, it was Round 13.
Thanks for proving my point. :thumbsd:
Didnt we already have this discussion? 2 good games does not make a good season. Dont forget that Lucas played a couple of good games this year too!!
Call Me Cake
11 Sep 2009, 14:01
Didnt we already have this discussion? 2 good games does not make a good season.
The main point of my original post was to give my point of view on his status in the team. My opinion of why I would like to see him play. As I see him as inspirational, not just a force on the field in a "couple games or so". He's the leader, as we do the charging.
The videos I put up were only subtle references to what I mean, as I was watching them at the time of creating the post. Gumby isn't ready to make such an impact, thus he needs to be guided by a champ.
Do you honestly think I would post every single game I could find, despite many of them being unavailable? - I posted 2 because I didn't want to overdo it. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's "enough" to warrant his position. :thumbsd:
bacon buster
11 Sep 2009, 14:08
i think the point is, he needs to play second, or even third fiddle if he plays on next year, and he may not want to do that.
that's the main issue.
i'd rather throw our young kids in the deep end somewhat, and see what they are made of. buddy and roughead didn't have anyone to help them, and they turned out ok.
ManWithNoName
11 Sep 2009, 16:19
How the hell is this still going on. Get on with it Lloydy FFS.
abers47
11 Sep 2009, 20:06
Heard Matt was on the radio today. Did anyone hear it? What did he say?
Heard Matt was on the radio today. Did anyone hear it? What did he say?
He did speak to the media today but didn't give too much away.
Said that he now has a bit of time to think it over and there will most likely be an announcement within the next week.
Also said that the Collingwood rumour was just that, a rumour, and his manager and him have only been in talks with Essendon.
abers47
11 Sep 2009, 20:49
Thanks for that!
Wildrig
12 Sep 2009, 01:41
I'd be physically ill if he plays for another club.
A club legend who is being absolutely shafted. Play him ff next season and he'll kick 50 goals no problem.
Absolutely agree - cant shaft him, play him out of the goalsquare and there only, stuff this wing and HF crap - relieve him of the captaincy, out of the goalsquare, make Neagle run a bit over preseason and see how things pan out.
Absolutely ridiculous people are saying theyd be happy if he left. Champion of the club, play him where he is best - when Hille is back Paddy can join him in the forward 50, throw Hurley in there if needed and play Neagle at CHF.
Neagle is the key - get the big fella running cos geez he has good hands...
Tony Delaney
12 Sep 2009, 23:14
This wouldn't even be thread worthy if Knights had of been just a wee more sanguine.
It should have been an in house issue and despite the fairness of Knights call earlier this year re Lucas and Lloyd deciding their own futures, he should have, could have and didn't pull on his management strides to cease this stupid debate and media wrangle over Lloyd.
Simply put Knights let the pressure build on Lloyd when he should have said he was required at EFC. Regardless of what he felt. That would have really given ML the time knights said he was wanting to give him.
Knights has hung ML out to dry. And it has naught to with ML's merit next year or not in the best 22. Just poor media handling form Knights.
And Matty Lloyd is in our best 8 next year not just our best 22.
Matttttttty K is the one who should be under the thread light here not Matty L.
Good post Dapto.
Knights when asked by Walls twice do you want Lloyd to play on came up with the bull crap weak as piss, " whatever he decides we will support him". Well Mr Knights Matthew Lloyd is a gun, is only 31 yo, captain of the club, club all time leading goal kicker and could arguably be in our top 10 to 15 of all time. How about you pull your head in and give a proper answer like yes we would love him to play on or no we don't (which would be ridiculous). Weak as piss like you were as a player. Funny how that trait carries over.
Scooter505
13 Sep 2009, 18:48
Good
Knights when asked by Walls twice do you want Lloyd to play on came up with the bull crap weak as piss, " whatever he decides we will support him". Well Mr Knights Matthew Lloyd is a gun, is only 31 yo, captain of the club, club all time leading goal kicker and could arguably be in our top 10 to 15 of all time. How about you pull your head in and give a proper answer like yes we would love him to play on or no we don't (which would be ridiculous). Weak as piss like you were as a player. Funny how that trait carries over.
What about when hutchy caught up with him after their little meeting. He says ' THE CLUB has asked matthew to play on'. Can't seem to bring himself to say that he wants him to play, he realy doesnt want him to play i don't think..
Tony Delaney
14 Sep 2009, 13:55
What about when hutchy caught up with him after their little meeting. He says ' THE CLUB has asked matthew to play on'. Can't seem to bring himself to say that he wants him to play, he realy doesnt want him to play i don't think..
I know. The whole thing makes me sick to be honest.
TheDon35
14 Sep 2009, 15:30
Good post Dapto.
Knights when asked by Walls twice do you want Lloyd to play on came up with the bull crap weak as piss, " whatever he decides we will support him". Well Mr Knights Matthew Lloyd is a gun, is only 31 yo, captain of the club, club all time leading goal kicker and could arguably be in our top 10 to 15 of all time. How about you pull your head in and give a proper answer like yes we would love him to play on or no we don't (which would be ridiculous). Weak as piss like you were as a player. Funny how that trait carries over.
Agree.
Piss poor. You're the coach of the side. Show some balls and take some ownership of what's going on.
Pathetic.
Ed Deline
14 Sep 2009, 15:33
I know. The whole thing makes me sick to be honest.
Here, here. Knights is a rude wigged goose.
For goodness sake play the guy out of the goal square and get some onballers who can hit him lace out!
I'd support him going to the bulldogs, imagine that midfield hitting on the lead, he'd bag 70 easy.
Agree.
Piss poor. You're the coach of the side. Show some balls and take some ownership of what's going on.
Pathetic.
I just rekon knights like everyone else in the world hates Hutchy and didnt want to give him a story to make any $ from. However Hutchy still made a story out of it