View Full Version : Houli 2010: Something needs to be done
footycool
12 Sep 2009, 16:19
I dont understand why houli didnt get a game in the latter part of the season. I am still wondering why we dont play him.
What does everyone think about houli because if he is not in our 22 he could be up for trade. What do you guys think about his position in the team for 2010
If there is no spot for him in our side, i see the massive upside in trading him for a high draft pick
kelvin_sheedy
12 Sep 2009, 16:23
Because he was injured? Broke a bone in his leg maybe?
There's a spot on the half back flank for him if he can toughen up.
tunny25
12 Sep 2009, 16:32
sydney are keen on him.
Daytripper
12 Sep 2009, 16:37
Because he was injured? Broke a bone in his leg maybe?
He's a 3rd year player though Kelvin.
Shouldn't let a thing liike a broken leg stop him from getting 30 possessions at 99% efficiency. He should be All Australian by now.
MandyFiona
12 Sep 2009, 16:38
Looked very good when I saw him play, what was the issue in 2009? Injury?
I wouldn't trade him if he were on our list, he is still young and finding his way.
sydney are keen on him.
They can have him for a fair deal
sydney are keen on him.
At this rate Sydney are gonna be trading in about 30 people during trade week
Ben the Gooner
12 Sep 2009, 17:50
Look, for a third year, third round pick, he's been an abject failure.
He should probably be executed for not winning us the final off his own boot.
Brent Prismall#9
12 Sep 2009, 23:18
There is definetly a spot for him in our best 22. I'm a big fan of him 2009 just wasn't his year, he missed the later part of the year through injury.
In 2010 we need to play him on the wing not at half back, he is a high possesion winner and i believe if we play him on the wing he'll really start to blossom and become a important player in our team. Lets pray he has a good pre-season and look out in 2010 :thumbsu:.
commonwealth
13 Sep 2009, 00:56
give him some time hes still young he will be a super star you can tell by the way he uses the ball when he has it it looks like his got so much control of the ball
Frankly he is part of Knight's gameplan problem.
Fast, outside and unaccountable
He needs help re: his options. A trade is a good deal for him and the club.
Smyth94
13 Sep 2009, 08:58
Frankly he is part of Knight's gameplan problem.
Fast, outside and unaccountable
He needs help re: his options. A trade is a good deal for him and the club.
Disagree, we need to persist with him - like we did with Dyson, and hopefully he will learn accountability - he has good kicking skills, which is a requirement down at Windy Hill
saladin
13 Sep 2009, 09:31
there is no problem with houli's situation. young kid learning to play to the gameplan. was in the side late, and looked to have his spot safe, but broke an ankle.
zen dice man
13 Sep 2009, 10:00
I think the kid should stay.
He has excellent skills, however needs to learn how to go the other way. As an outside player can be very damaging, but should get some in and under toughness to him.
Unlucky only playing a settled role from rounds 7 to 11 & thought he was as deserving to remain in the team from round 12 as Welsh & Mcveigh ( who provided us with little for most of the year).
Were his selection chances effected by Quinn's occasional inclusion in the team ?
The Donners
13 Sep 2009, 10:43
Who's going to be on the BF trading block next? :rolleyes:
AxelFoley
13 Sep 2009, 11:43
I see little faith from Knights in Houli which annoys the hell out of me.
His has a massive upside if he can work on his accountability/decision making, hopefully he works on it over the off-season. Dont like him as a defender TBH, part of the midfield rotations would suit much better.
He turns to water at the slightest hint of pressure (see his turnover that led to Rioli's goal against Hawthorn) and does not have an accountable bone in his body. We have enough 'loose' half-backs so he'll have to add another string or two to his bow.
He is indicative of the way some junior stars don't make it at AFL level. Junior coaches would just allow star juniors like Houli to roam around and do whatever they like. They don't have to play accountable footy and they pay for it once they get to AFL level.
Houli has a long way to go.
No trade is possible with Houli. He hasn't shown enough (most because of injury) to have any significant value to other clubs so any deal that would get done would see us end up with a 3rd round pick at best.
Jonesy1987
13 Sep 2009, 12:36
Give the kids games as the senior players clearly aren't taking us anywhere.
Ollie Tabooger
13 Sep 2009, 15:41
Jury still out for mine re Bachar.
Should be given a decent crack in 2010 and assess where he's at this time next year. :thumbsu:
Bombertastic
13 Sep 2009, 15:57
I see him as a big part of our future. Things not going well for him this year will be good for him long term. Toughen up and he could fit into our mid rotation.
Had his injury problems and has just finised his third year on an AFL list, he has at least 1 more year before we would seriously be looking to offload him, or so I would hope.
Houli has his problems (defensive game and decision making), but then who doesn't? It has become fashionable to tear shreds from a player who have their issues defensively. It must be due to St Kilda's game giving them the success they have had. The context of Lyon and St Kilda's success is often forgotten. It has taken Lyon three pre-seasons to get St Kilda's defensive game where he wants it, and he inherited a mature and almost complete side to work with from day one.
Houli has his positives, he is a great kick (as long as the decision is good), moves well, and from all reports has a great attitude. Hopefully he is fit for day one of the pre-season so he can be trained as a permanent half back / back pocket type. He may have been exposed this year but he also did a few really good jobs.
Doug Tassell
13 Sep 2009, 16:43
i have heard he has been an aggitator this year, not in his best interest to be complaining.
The Donners
13 Sep 2009, 18:56
Give the kids games as the senior players clearly aren't taking us anywhere.
Agree 100% :thumbsu:
I see little faith from Knights in Houli which annoys the hell out of me.
Totally agree. There were players in the side who would continually make the same mistakes and he would give then 2nd chances but others who were put to the sword every single time.
Knights has his favourites and stuck to them.
He has had injuries at the wrong time this year which hasn't helped his cause.
I liked his game against Geelong. Appeared to be the only player willing to take the game on when everyone else went back into their shells.
Hopefully he will be given more opportunities next year.
Shane Hird
14 Sep 2009, 15:06
i have heard he has been an aggitator this year, not in his best interest to be complaining.
Heard from who?
TheDon35
14 Sep 2009, 15:38
Too good a prospect not to persist with.
There have been times over the last couple of years where IMO he should have been playing ahead of others. I think this is what the gist of the thread was getting at.
Should be a regular in our side next year.
Yes, of course is someone is prepared to offer something of better value than him in a trade deal then we should look at it.
Colin D'Cops
14 Sep 2009, 15:56
He is one of only a few players down at the club who you can actually trust with the footy in his hands. But hell yeah, lets trade him!
Disposal Efficiency at 81% , trading probably your most efficient player with the ball is an awesome idea!!! also averages 22 Disposals a game that's just as much as our midfielders and houli is a half back man...
So in summary , let's trade a player that gets on average 22 Disposals at 80% Efficiency.. GREAT IDEA GUYS!
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I will give a few people a hint. You do not understand becasue you obviously have limited knowledge on the issue. You don't get to Bendigo games and see how many times the runner was out to him to correct issues in his game and you have formed part of your opinion of him based on the pre draft hype.
He is not on the outer or in Knights bad books. His problem has been two fold.
Injuries have seen him miss a lot of time over the last 3 years.
Secondly he has been held back a bit because his junior habits creep into his game at certain times.
Coming through juniors and at under 18 level he has been able to run around doing his own thing without having to follow any game plan or defensive issues and it comes out in his play a bit.
The problem with most wondering what is going on is you only notice that he can run around and get a few kicks so you think it looks great.
He certainly improved a lot from where he was early in the year and he more than likely would have stayed in the senior side for the last 4 or so weeks if he did not fracture a bone in his leg.
There was a reason he went in the 40's in the draft and not 20 or so picks earlier where a lot predicted he would go and the above issues where part of it. He is getting pretty close to where he needs to be and if he can iron out the last few kinks in his game ( like if handball under pressure and his problem with front on contact) he will be a regular in the side and a pretty good player.
He was drafted in the third round so stop expecting him to be Daniel Rich or Chris Judd. I think his development has come along ok given all the factors involved.
Coming through juniors and at under 18 level he has been able to run around doing his own thing without having to follow any game plan or defensive issues and it comes out in his play a bit.
how would you compare him to prismall in this regard?
AxelFoley
15 Sep 2009, 13:22
I will give a few people a hint. You do not understand becasue you obviously have limited knowledge on the issue. You don't get to Bendigo games and see how many times the runner was out to him to correct issues in his game and you have formed part of your opinion of him based on the pre draft hype.
He is not on the outer or in Knights bad books. His problem has been two fold.
Injuries have seen him miss a lot of time over the last 3 years.
Secondly he has been held back a bit because his junior habits creep into his game at certain times.
Coming through juniors and at under 18 level he has been able to run around doing his own thing without having to follow any game plan or defensive issues and it comes out in his play a bit.
The problem with most wondering what is going on is you only notice that he can run around and get a few kicks so you think it looks great.
He certainly improved a lot from where he was early in the year and he more than likely would have stayed in the senior side for the last 4 or so weeks if he did not fracture a bone in his leg.
There was a reason he went in the 40's in the draft and not 20 or so picks earlier where a lot predicted he would go and the above issues where part of it. He is getting pretty close to where he needs to be and if he can iron out the last few kinks in his game ( like if handball under pressure and his problem with front on contact) he will be a regular in the side and a pretty good player.
He was drafted in the third round so stop expecting him to be Daniel Rich or Chris Judd. I think his development has come along ok given all the factors involved.
Not having a go at you ant in the slightest, but just because you know a hell of lot more than 99% of other Essendon BF supporters doesnt mean we cant have an opinion on the subject.
We all want the best for Bachar because we have seen glimpses of what he has to offer our side and what he could be capable of. Fingers crossed we keep the faith and he has a super off-season!:thumbsu:
Not having a go at you ant in the slightest, but just because you know a hell of lot more than 99% of other Essendon BF supporters doesnt mean we cant have an opinion on the subject.
We all want the best for Bachar because we have seen glimpses of what he has to offer our side and what he could be capable of. Fingers crossed we keep the faith and he has a super off-season!:thumbsu:
Never said anyone can't have an opinion but don't expect me to agree with it if i know more about the back ground / inside information . There are varying forms of opinion and 80% of them are made from very limited imformation.
This is a forum , not a love in. Challenging peoples opinion on a forum is not saying they can not have one. Having a reasonable discusion about opinions is what forums are about. At the end of the day it hardly matters to me ( and i suspect you as well ) as to who is right as it is not all that important in the scheme of things. :thumbsu:
Runknisse
15 Sep 2009, 14:15
I reckon he needs to bulk up by 5-8kgs. If the Dons train him to work exsplosively like an in and under type then he could be an out and out specialist ball winner. This run and carry crap isn't any good if we've only got one guy (Jobe) who can do that whereas a Geelong have about 21 (excluding Mooney of course :) ).
bipolarbeaR
15 Sep 2009, 14:32
He will replace Lovett on the wing, bookmark it.
bipolarbeaR
17 Sep 2009, 12:03
I see little faith from Knights in Houli which annoys the hell out of me.
Yeah, Knights is a blatant racist I believe, opposes all who aren't of his albino half-ling.
Why do people see the worst, look at his history in the last 2 years it all makes sense, asked to go back to VFL in 2008 because he is un-accountable, he was also having troubles adjusting to his diet because of his religion which left him a bit energyless and had given his body anemic effect (I asked him this at training), in 2009 the same happened to push him along and hopefully develop that hunger, when he was finally being selected he broke his leg.
Simple.
He turns to water at the slightest hint of pressure (see his turnover that led to Rioli's goal against Hawthorn) and does not have an accountable bone in his body. We have enough 'loose' half-backs so he'll have to add another string or two to his bow.
He is indicative of the way some junior stars don't make it at AFL level. Junior coaches would just allow star juniors like Houli to roam around and do whatever they like. They don't have to play accountable footy and they pay for it once they get to AFL level.
Houli has a long way to go.
I remember that turnover. However, I also remember him getting 20+ possessions in that game (which he averages in every game he plays). That game against Hawthorn he was one of our best in the first half. He also played well against Brisbane despite having a broken leg. He has demolished Milne in the past as well as doing a job on Aker in an NAB cup game (who has historically destroyed us). He just needs some time and patience in the A's. Once he strings 10 games together he will star. You don't find young players with good skills, some toe who are ball magnets with a level head on their shoulders growing on trees. So I think definately persevere. Accountability can be taught and can come with experience.
flyin'high
23 Sep 2009, 22:36
he will be a good player ,but does everyone remember that kid we picked up a few yrs back called gumbleton ,he has shown little to nothing over the past few year because of injury as well but why does no one call for his head