View Full Version : Burgoyne requests trade to Hawthorn
essendon2008
14 Sep 2009, 20:33
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84710/default.aspx
OUT-OF-CONTRACT Port Adelaide midfielder Shaun Burgoyne has requested to be traded to an unspecified Melbourne-based club.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84710/default.aspx
Not as old as i thought. Could be a good fit and set a good example to a young team.
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 20:45
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84710/default.aspx
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84710/default.aspx
Not as old as i thought. Could be a good fit and set a good example to a young team.
I'm pretty sure the Burgoyne's are cousins of the Daveys.
If we can keep our first pick. Sure. But I'm guessing Shaun will be pretty popular and someone is bound to use their first pick.
essendon2008
14 Sep 2009, 20:52
Spikey, with all this talk of Lovett wanting to leave, maybe we could package him off with our 2nd round pick for Burgoyne and keep pick 10
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 20:57
Pick 10 is very hit and miss in this draft. I'd have no hesitation in trading that pick for Burgoyne.
Am pretty sure that Port wouldn't be interested in Lovett. They have enough downhill skiers there at the moment and I don't think Choco would want another one.
What they do need is ruckmen though.
Spikey, with all this talk of Lovett wanting to leave, maybe we could package him off with our 2nd round pick for Burgoyne and keep pick 10
Port would surely be looking at getting a first round pick wouldn't they? While I wouldn't object to the deal, I don't see Port doing it. Unless Shaun nominates us as his preferred club.
Windas_Magic
14 Sep 2009, 21:00
First of all i would request for him to do a medical so we can see where his knee is at, and if it's fine then i would definitely give up pick 10 and a fringe player or Lovett (highly unlikely though after round 1)
Duckworth
14 Sep 2009, 21:04
I don't want to give up a round 1 pick.
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 21:06
I don't want to give up a round 1 pick.
FFS - Why not ?
They're not gold. Its hit and miss after pick 5 and this draft is very skinny.
Would you give up Myers for Burgoyne ?
The Donners
14 Sep 2009, 21:07
I've said this in another thread but still holds true (imo)...
Lovett AND Jetta to WCE for pick 7, ontraded to Port Adelaide (originally I had the deal for Taylor Walker).
essendon2008
14 Sep 2009, 21:10
I've said this in another thread but still holds true (imo)...
Lovett AND Jetta to WCE for pick 7, ontraded to Port Adelaide (originally I had the deal for Taylor Walker).
Sounds good. Effectively we don't lose anything: we keep all of our picks, lose a player who wasnt making an impact (Jetta) and losing a player who was pretty good IMO this year but wants to go anyway so we are stuck (Lovett).
And we get a top class midfielder in return. :thumbsu:
errr ... he's out of contract. You don't need a first round pick to lure him. Look what we did with prismall.
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 21:13
I find it ironic that all year I've bene hearing about how we need a top quality midfielder yet here is one that has come on to the market and people don't want to give up pick 10 for him. Its an absolute gift IMO.
He could really make us legitimate contenders.
Midfield of Watson, Burgoyne, Stanton, Winderlich is genuine quality and not only that the arrival of Burgoyne will loosen the tags on Stants and Jobe.
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 21:15
I've said this in another thread but still holds true (imo)...
Lovett AND Jetta to WCE for pick 7, ontraded to Port Adelaide (originally I had the deal for Taylor Walker).
Just give them pick 10.
donsman4eva
14 Sep 2009, 21:16
Sounds good. Effectively we don't lose anything: we keep all of our picks, lose a player who wasnt making an impact (Jetta) and losing a player who was pretty good IMO this year but wants to go anyway so we are stuck (Lovett).
And we get a top class midfielder in return. :thumbsu:
Yeah it all sounds good. But lets look at some stuff first.
Firstly, Compare Lovett's season with Burgoyne's. If Burgoyne's knee doesnt come up, we basically lose one of our best players this season for nothing (which could happen anyway if he goes into the draft).
Secondly (and I know its hit and miss), but lets take a look at the past three NAB rising stars. Selwood, Palmer, Rich.... know the link?
They were all taken at pick 7. WCE wouldnt trade that pick, its a certainty they will draft someone good :D:p
essendon2008
14 Sep 2009, 21:20
Yeah it all sounds good. But lets look at some stuff first.
Firstly, Compare Lovett's season with Burgoyne's. If Burgoyne's knee doesnt come up, we basically lose one of our best players this season for nothing (which could happen anyway if he goes into the draft).
Secondly (and I know its hit and miss), but lets take a look at the past three NAB rising stars. Selwood, Palmer, Rich.... know the link?
They were all taken at pick 7. WCE wouldnt trade that pick, its a certainty they will draft someone good :D:p
I want Lovett to stay but since he has been rumoured to be wanting to leave, now i don't really care to see him go. He is too self centred for Essendon and i personally would be glad to take that risk. However i do not work for the EFC so will have no decision in the matter :D
The Donners
14 Sep 2009, 21:20
Yeah it all sounds good. But lets look at some stuff first.
Firstly, Compare Lovett's season with Burgoyne's. If Burgoyne's knee doesnt come up, we basically lose one of our best players this season for nothing (which could happen anyway if he goes into the draft).
Secondly (and I know its hit and miss), but lets take a look at the past three NAB rising stars. Selwood, Palmer, Rich.... know the link?
They were all taken at pick 7. WCE wouldnt trade that pick, its a certainty they will draft someone good :D:p
They've already stated they'll put it on the table and they're looking for a small forward to release LeCras into the middle. Jetta and Lovett would be 2 small forwards with Lovett and LeCras being able to switch.
footycool
14 Sep 2009, 21:26
Burgoyne is that sort of ball winner and clerance player that we need to support Watson. I rekon
We give, second round pick and Myers for him
I rekon this would work, u rekon guys?
The Donners
14 Sep 2009, 21:28
Burgoyne is that sort of ball winner and clerance player that we need to support Watson. I rekon
We give, second round pick and Myers for him
I rekon this would work, u rekon guys?
Not in one million years would I give up Myers in any deal involving Burgoyne.
essendon2008
14 Sep 2009, 21:29
Burgoyne is that sort of ball winner and clerance player that we need to support Watson. I rekon
We give, second round pick and Myers for him
I rekon this would work, u rekon guys?
Not sure they would take that, but you're right, he is the type of player we need.
EssendonPride
14 Sep 2009, 21:34
Not in one million years would I give up Myers in any deal involving Burgoyne.
Agreed.
He's been on the list for 2 injury riddled years ffs.
Keen to see him play midfield next year
footycool
14 Sep 2009, 21:38
Myers has shown promise, along with gumbleton fingers crossed they can replay the faith the club has shown in themn
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 21:39
Myers has shown promise,
When ?
I must have missed it.
Smyth94
14 Sep 2009, 21:40
When ?
I must have missed it.
First year
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 21:43
First year
You've still lost me.
footycool
14 Sep 2009, 21:46
Well, the club has shown promise
FFS - Why not ?
They're not gold. Its hit and miss after pick 5 and this draft is very skinny.
Would you give up Myers for Burgoyne ?
What a ridiculous statement.
Why is the club paying over 1/2 million per year for recruiters - who cant find a decent player from Pick 6.
DonMania#5
14 Sep 2009, 22:03
Would give pick 10 for him straight away.
Daytripper
14 Sep 2009, 22:05
What a ridiculous statement.
Why is the club paying over 1/2 million per year for recruiters - who cant find a decent player from Pick 6.
Not many recruiters find out and out stars these days. The stars generally pick themselves.
Most of them find bog average AFL players who spend 5 years on a list and then get delisted and or traded. But better to pick at least players you can get 5 years out of then players who you get nothing out of. Thats why recruiters get paid.
Thats the reality.
swansong 13#
14 Sep 2009, 22:15
Pick 10 is very hit and miss in this draft. I'd have no hesitation in trading that pick for Burgoyne.
Am pretty sure that Port wouldn't be interested in Lovett. They have enough downhill skiers there at the moment and I don't think Choco would want another one.
What they do need is ruckmen though.
In that case we should do a straight swap for Laycock..................................................... ............................................................ ..................................................Sounds fair enough:p
If we convince Burgoyne that essendon is the club for him (ie on the up, strong indigenous culture ect) how much can Adelaide say no? if he goes into the pre-season draft, after saying he wants to go to essendon can any other team then snatch him first, against his wishes?
Duckworth
14 Sep 2009, 22:40
Surely the true skill in a recruiter is finding a gem late in the draft... Hooker for example.
donsman4eva
14 Sep 2009, 22:41
Yep.....
In the end, going into the draft sripulates that you will either go to the team that drafts you, or not play football. Thats the way I understand it anyway.
If he goes into the PSD, he will not make it to Essendon's pick, that's for sure.
Ludwig van Bertstare
14 Sep 2009, 23:07
According to Hutchy we're going to be talking to him.
Duckworth
14 Sep 2009, 23:25
Apparently wants to join Hawthorn...
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26073738-12428,00.html
anyone suggesting essendon should consider trading a top 10 pick for s.burgoyne has no idea. the top 10 picks this year are golden - particular in contrast to a 27yo coming off an injury riddled year. at pick 10 essendon are likely to secure one of dustin martin, ben cunnington etc who themselves are likely to have 10+ seasons as quality midfielders.
in addition a guy such as myers is also likely to be playing for close to 10 years and will be a quality midfielder also. his clearance work is great - wait and see in 2010.
i wouldn't have an issue swapping any of nash, jetta, lovett and any 2nd, 3rd round draft choices to get a deal done but certainly not a top ten pick. given essendon is on the rise and with GC and WS coming in this is the last year for a long time essendon will have access to good young talent.
Ollie Tabooger
14 Sep 2009, 23:58
We need to make this happen.
This bloke's exactly what we need right now. :thumbsu:
Knight Ryders
15 Sep 2009, 00:04
We'd be silly not to have a crack at him. The type of class player our team has been crying out for. I would still like some first round draft picks, so some more trades might be put on the table, such as the WCE deal people have tabled for pick #7.
dave_27
15 Sep 2009, 00:10
Goodluck to hawthorn they will have to cough up the world to get him if port adelaides dealings during the Nick Stevens trade situation is anything to go by.
essendon2008
15 Sep 2009, 00:14
I wouldn't be so sure. According to Burgoyne's manager, there is no way Burgoyne will go back to Port. Ie if he isn't traded he will enter into the Draft, therefore Port gain nothing for him.
It is in Port's best interests to get a deal out of him, however good or bad that might be, or risk losing him for no compensation.
Would love to see him in Red and Black. :thumbsu:
To me this screams a straight swap for Lovett.
Brother Noompsi
15 Sep 2009, 01:22
To me this screams a straight swap for Lovett.
That's just laughable.
essendon2008
15 Sep 2009, 01:24
I'm interested to know whether Burgoyne has either:
a) Has a club in mind and wants to head there
b) Spoken to a club
OR
c) Just wants to come to any Melbourne team.
I have a feeling he has a club in mind, due to him completely turning his back on Port, but that may just be due to him knowing how good he is and that at least a handful of clubs would be interested.
essendon2008
15 Sep 2009, 01:33
double post.
No shit.
Also as to your reply, remember this is a forum so everyone has their own opinion. FWIW i doubt they would take a straight swap for Lovett either but try saying something constructive or get off the Essendon board.
TheDon35
15 Sep 2009, 05:53
That's just laughable.
As is nearly every suggestion on your board so piss off back there!
zen dice man
15 Sep 2009, 07:48
We should get him. If his knee is right then he is worth trading Lovett directly for him or giving up our first rounder.
Our club would be good fit for him culturally, salary cap & playing wise.
Make no mistake this kid when fit is a gun, pure & simple.
He is up there with the best mids in the league.
I wonder if Knights knows him very well. In his time at Port Magpies, they probably crossed paths. Skippy also played there as a jnr. Further more Alwyn Davey is his cuz.
Given he is out of contract, we are cashed up, if we could make him feel at home $$$$$ -**is it possible we could get him without needing to trade Lovett or our no 10 pick?
Make no mistake though this guy is much better than Lovett if is knee is right & we should get him.
BABYBOMBERS2007
15 Sep 2009, 08:11
Lets get him. He will fit in perfectly for us.
Deff chase him but don't throw our first round pick at Port.
hateitorlovett13
15 Sep 2009, 09:48
Just give them pick 10.
I'd prefer to take a quality mid like Martin with pick 10.
Daytripper
15 Sep 2009, 11:11
I'd prefer to take a quality mid like Martin with pick 10.
LOL - And Burgoyne isn't.
Mr Mosquito
15 Sep 2009, 11:33
Port have said today that they will be keen to trade for players and not picks. I think this policy coming from them suits us, especially with lovett wanting out. Straight swap IMO is fair, we may need to throw in a late pick to sweeten the deal
This year i would hand over pick 10 for Burgoyne. To me it is actually a no brainer as we are at the stage of our development where we could use the experience rather than waiting for a young player to develop over 2 or 3 years from a weaker draft.
I am also getting annoyed about your continual bagging of recruiting. Everyone knows it is a hit and miss but those of us involved do a heap of work and the bottom line is over the last ten years the extra work put in has seen it become a lot clearer as far as finding good players goes. A lot of the failures in recent years have been down to injury or poor attitude rather than a flat out lack of ability.
The succes rate further down in the draft has dropped off a bit becasue clubs have got better at getting the top 30 or so picks right.
According to you the 20 to 25 hours a week that i do is a waste of time becasue the good players simply pick themselves:rolleyes:
Also your double standards on Myers continue to amaze. Houli is young and it is ok for him to not be having an impact in his first 3 years yet Myers can not be given time to develop becasue in "your opinion" he has done nothing .
Port have said today that they will be keen to trade for players and not picks. I think this policy coming from them suits us, especially with lovett wanting out. Straight swap IMO is fair, we may need to throw in a late pick to sweeten the deal
Lovett + our second pick?
resurrector
15 Sep 2009, 12:33
salivating at the prospect at being able to bring burgoyne here and retain lovett. thats the kind of midfield which would put the fear into opposition sides...i'd put up a 2nd rounder plus a jetta for e.g.
make it happen bomber personnel.
for the record, how crazy is this off season gona be, i almost don't give a shit about the next 2 weeks...bring on trade week!
Daytripper
15 Sep 2009, 12:34
This year i would hand over pick 10 for Burgoyne. To me it is actually a no brainer as we are at the stage of our development where we could use the experience rather than waiting for a young player to develop over 2 or 3 years from a weaker draft.
I am also getting annoyed about your continual bagging of recruiting. Everyone knows it is a hit and miss but those of us involved do a heap of work and the bottom line is over the last ten years the extra work put in has seen it become a lot clearer as far as finding good players goes. A lot of the failures in recent years have been down to injury or poor attitude rather than a flat out lack of ability.
The succes rate further down in the draft has dropped off a bit becasue clubs have got better at getting the top 30 or so picks right.
According to you the 20 to 25 hours a week that i do is a waste of time becasue the good players simply pick themselves:rolleyes:
Also your double standards on Myers continue to amaze. Houli is young and it is ok for him to not be having an impact in his first 3 years yet Myers can not be given time to develop becasue in "your opinion" he has done nothing .
Wasn't bagging the recruiters ant - All I was saying is that with a top 5 pick the good players pick themselves. Its players between 20 & 50 where the real work is done in trying to find a gem.
You may have a point re my double standards on Myers. Its more a case of me pointing out that a pick between 6 & 10 doesn't guarantee anything and that you don't automatically get 'stars' with those picks. Quite the contrary actually.
Glad you agree on trading pick 10 for Burgoyne. As you said, its a no brainer and your opinion counts for plenty coming from a recruiting perspective.
Wasn't bagging the recruiters ant - All I was saying is that with a top 5 pick the good players pick themselves. Its players between 20 & 50 where the real work is done in trying to find a gem.
You may have a point re my double standards on Myers. Its more a case of me pointing out that a pick between 6 & 10 doesn't guarantee anything and that you don't automatically get 'stars' with those picks. Quite the contrary actually.
Glad you agree on trading pick 10 for Burgoyne. As you said, its a no brainer and your opinion counts for plenty coming from a recruiting perspective.
You keep saying the draft is shallow, have you watched any juniors or just repeating the opinion of others? Is your opinion of Myers ability based on seeing him at bendigo or because he was "the cursed pick 6"
Lance Uppercut
15 Sep 2009, 13:00
**** me you'd give up pick 10 in a heart-beat!!
The House
15 Sep 2009, 13:03
According to Hutchy we're going to be talking to him.
Has Hutchy been hiding in the bin again???
Daytripper
15 Sep 2009, 13:08
You keep saying the draft is shallow, have you watched any juniors or just repeating the opinion of others? Is your opinion of Myers ability based on seeing him at bendigo or because he was "the cursed pick 6"
Of course I haven't watched them - nor would 99.99% of the people who comment on them.
However there are people who know what they're talking about and they've all said this draft is shallow - and thats saying something as its in their best interests to talk up kids.
As for Myers - I have yet to see him show anything at all that would indicate he has the quality that people say he does. Looks out of his depth at senior AFL level to me. Happy to be proven wrong but thats for another thread I guess.
kelvin_sheedy
15 Sep 2009, 13:16
Burgoyne should be priority No. 1 in this trading period.
He's exactly what we need and it might fast track our development as a side. Imagine Watson, Mcveigh, Winderlich, Burgoyne, Lovett all fit and firing next year.
My only concern is the club is now ultra conservative and will not chase this deal hard enough to get it done.
hille2prismal
15 Sep 2009, 13:17
Burgoyne for Lloyd? :D
AJ_2000
15 Sep 2009, 13:23
I just love how people can know that we will end up with an out and out quality player with pick 10. Its all risk/luck with any draft pick 1 - 100. What happens to them on the field and the off has a huge impact to their development as a player.
Get Burgoyne. Pay a fair price so not to cripple the club, and watch us take the next step right now rather then wait a few more years for everything to go well (fingers crossed).
Of course I haven't watched them - nor would 99.99% of the people who comment on them.
However there are people who know what they're talking about and they've all said this draft is shallow - and thats saying something as its in their best interests to talk up kids.
As for Myers - I have yet to see him show anything at all that would indicate he has the quality that people say he does. Looks out of his depth at senior AFL level to me. Happy to be proven wrong but thats for another thread I guess.
These same people said the 2007 draft was shallow too.
10- dangerfield
11- Vespremi
12 - Rioli
If you haven't seen any if the potential draftees play you shouldn't be adamant on what a draft pick is worth this year.
Can you name the people who's interest it is in pumping up kids who have been saying this is a shallow draft?
I just love how people can know that we will end up with an out and out quality player with pick 10. Its all risk/luck with any draft pick 1 - 100. What happens to them on the field and the off has a huge impact to their development as a player.
Get Burgoyne. Pay a fair price so not to cripple the club, and watch us take the next step right now rather then wait a few more years for everything to go well (fingers crossed).
Not 100% correct. Yes there is a risk facotr that all players have at any pick but in recent years the amount of information available and the amount of time and effort through increased recruiting departments has reduced the risk factor of early picks by a significant margin.
The risk factor also goes up and down every year depending on the draft depth which is why i agree with the Burgoyne trade . There is slightly more risk this year that pick 10 will not produce a great player becasue the quality is down on the last few drafts.
I think this draft will be around the quality of the 2004 draft where we picked Monfries at 14.
Burgoyne should be priority No. 1 in this trading period.
He's exactly what we need and it might fast track our development as a side. Imagine Watson, Mcveigh, Winderlich, Burgoyne, Lovett all fit and firing next year.
My only concern is the club is now ultra conservative and will not chase this deal hard enough to get it done.
You can probably forget Lovett. Asking too much, team mates don't like him and he is in the coaches dog house for squibbing the last few games when the pressure was on but that is a story for another thread.
Boucks09
15 Sep 2009, 13:45
If Burgoyne's knee is ok then it is an absolute no-brainer to offer at least pick 10 or a decent player/picks package.
I remember at the start of last season that Mike Sheahan rated him as #2 in his pre season top 50 list. Now make of that what you wish, but the guy can seriously play, his last 2 seasons have just been tarnished with injury.
Not only is he an AWESOME clearance player, but he can also go forward and be massively damaging up there.
I'd also be interested in Salopek (a local Narre boy) who was stiff to miss AA honours last year and had this season ruined with a shoulder injury. It's a long shot but I would be thinking something like:
Lovett, pick #10 and Jetta/Lonergan for Burgoyne and Salopek. The other option would be to get a third party involved to improve the Jetta/Lonergan aspect of the trade.
Daytripper
15 Sep 2009, 14:09
If you haven't seen any if the potential draftees play you shouldn't be adamant on what a draft pick is worth this year.
So I should take someone's opinion who has seen a 5 minute highlight reel off you tube or who has a brother that played against him when he was 14 and said player A is unbelieveable.
No thanks - I will take opinions off the guys I trust and they all say this draft is skinny.
Can you name the people who's interest it is in pumping up kids who have been saying this is a shallow draft?
If a recruiter keeps telling clubs that he can't find any good players then his job is going to be in jeopardy isn't it ?
Even if it is true.
One odd year now and then is okay but by and large they will talk up potential players - not talk them down.
Daytripper
15 Sep 2009, 14:13
Lovett, pick #10 and Jetta/Lonergan for Burgoyne and Salopek. The other option would be to get a third party involved to improve the Jetta/Lonergan aspect of the trade.
I don't think Port would want Lovett - they have enough softish, downhill skiers as it is.
So I should take someone's opinion who has seen a 5 minute highlight reel off you tube or who has a brother that played against him when he was 14 and said player A is unbelieveable.
No thanks - I will take opinions off the guys I trust and they all say this draft is skinny.
I didn't say that you should do either of those things at all.:rolleyes:
If a recruiter keeps telling clubs that he can't find any good players then his job is going to be in jeopardy isn't it ?
Even if it is true.
One odd year now and then is okay but by and large they will talk up potential players - not talk them down.
Which recruiters have talked down this draft?
Daytripper
15 Sep 2009, 14:26
Which recruiters have talked down this draft?
Read post 65 on this thread.
Ant is one of the few blokes on BF that knows his stuff when it comes to recruiting.
He's not infallible (though he likes to think he is - LOL :D) but generally gets it fairly close to the mark.
Read post 65 on this thread.
Ant is one of the few blokes on BF that knows his stuff when it comes to recruiting.
He's not infallible (though he likes to think he is - LOL :D) but generally gets it fairly close to the mark.
Ant is not a recruiter, it's not in his interests to hype up a draft.
(btw correct me if I'm wrong Ant)
Ant is not a recruiter, it's not in his interests to hype up a draft.
(btw correct me if I'm wrong Ant)
Not full time but i do some paid work in that area ;)
As far as the draft goes you must not have followed what is going on this year. A number of recruiters have mentioned the fact that it is very skinny and there are a number of clubs saying they will consider trading first round picks. Thats a fair indication of the quality.
rioli brownlow
15 Sep 2009, 14:56
Not full time but i do some paid work in that area ;)
As far as the draft goes you must not have followed what is going on this year. A number of recruiters have mentioned the fact that it is very skinny and there are a number of clubs saying they will consider trading first round picks. Thats a fair indication of the quality.
what about brent stanton+jay nash for burgoyne and ports 3rd pick.?
i think to get burgoyne we are going to have to give up one of our better midfielders and i think stanton could be the one as we could on trade that 3rd pick to richmond for say shane tuck?
Skeeta Olly
15 Sep 2009, 15:04
Yes Jay Nash... because he carries a lot of currency...
I find it ironic that all year I've bene hearing about how we need a top quality midfielder yet here is one that has come on to the market and people don't want to give up pick 10 for him. Its an absolute gift IMO.
He could really make us legitimate contenders.
Midfield of Watson, Burgoyne, Stanton, Winderlich is genuine quality and not only that the arrival of Burgoyne will loosen the tags on Stants and Jobe.
sorry to break it to you, but stanton is definatley not genuine quality. we should be chasing kerr, he's top quality.
Windas_Magic
15 Sep 2009, 17:29
sorry to break it to you, but stanton is definatley not genuine quality. we should be chasing kerr, he's top quality.
He isn't quality but is still a very, very good footballer in his own right. In the second half on the season he was slowed down by a few niggling injuries and probably got tired as the season rolled on but his form in the first half of the season was exceptional, and people seem to forget that.
The midfielders that Daytripper mentioned then you throw in guys like Myers, Zaharakis and Reimers and you have a very good future midfieild.
Skeeta Olly
15 Sep 2009, 20:15
If we wanted Kerr, we had the chance last year. Since he's signed a decent contract, I doubt he'll be going anywhere.
Ben the Gooner
15 Sep 2009, 20:29
Yes please.
Happy to trade any one of Pick 10/Lovett/a first round pick which we obtain for Lovett.
This guy will seriously improve our midfield.
Imagine Winderlich, Stanton, Dyson etc. getting fed by Watson and Burgoyne.
Darealrath
15 Sep 2009, 20:37
Imagine Winderlich, Stanton, Dyson etc. getting fed by Watson and Burgoyne.
Burgoyne wouldn't be feeding them, he'd break from the centre, take a bounce and hit Lloyd (yes Knights, Lloyd) on the chest.
fishguts
15 Sep 2009, 20:41
Burgoyne wouldn't be feeding them, he'd break from the centre, take a bounce and hit Lloyd (yes Knights, Lloyd) on the chest.
He's a clearance player...
Colin D'Cops
15 Sep 2009, 20:51
Burgoyne should be targeted I feel. Players such as Cousins, Johnstone, etc who have been on the market over the past couple of seasons; haven't been real suitable for the club. We desperately need a class midfielder that can go in and get the ball when the ball's there to be won. I'd trade pick 10 off for Burgoyne in an instant; we could be closer to a premiership then most think.
* Assuming he has been cleared of any major, on-going injuries.
Ben the Gooner
15 Sep 2009, 20:52
Burgoyne wouldn't be feeding them, he'd break from the centre, take a bounce and hit Lloyd (yes Knights, Lloyd) on the chest.
He'd be doing both which is why it's imperative that we go hard for him.
Call Me Cake
15 Sep 2009, 21:08
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/whereismypopcorn/ccvb.jpg
commonwealth
15 Sep 2009, 21:18
that pic is a good pic
abers47
15 Sep 2009, 21:49
I'd like to see that!!!
[...]Thanks for the avatar.
I have my doubts about Burgoyne's mental toughness, physical capability and his ability to handle a hard tag, but when he is on song - He is the most damaging clearance player in the AFL and more than handy up forward.
I would consider trading Pick 10 - if we could trade players like Lovett and Jetta to pick up additional picks in the ND.
The Donners
16 Sep 2009, 06:46
GET HIM!
I F**king Love This Club!!!™
DapperDon
16 Sep 2009, 10:00
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/whereismypopcorn/ccvb.jpg
GET HIM!
I F**king Love This Club!!!™
Nothing more needs to be said.
I F**king Love This Club!!!™
Quoted again just because I can.
TheDon35
16 Sep 2009, 10:26
I'd rather keep pick 10.
If Lovett wants out he's obvious. It's what we'd need to put with him.
Lovett and first round - No
Lovett and second round pick. Maybe
Lovett and Jetta - Yep
Lovett and Davey - Maybe
Remembering that Port won't deal unless they are happy. I don't know how much value this trade is going to hold for EFC given that Lovett's output this year was probably as good as Burgoyne's, and that we're going to have to give something on top of Lovett to get him.
Would like him though. Genuine class.
Mr Mosquito
16 Sep 2009, 10:30
I'd rather keep pick 10.
If Lovett wants out he's obvious. It's what we'd need to put with him.
Lovett and first round - No
Lovett and second round pick. Maybe
Lovett and Jetta - Yep
Lovett and Davey - Maybe
Remembering that Port won't deal unless they are happy. I don't know how much value this trade is going to hold for EFC given that Lovett's output this year was probably as good as Burgoyne's, and that we're going to have to give something on top of Lovett to get him.
Would like him though. Genuine class.
Davey will not be part of any deal, this is because Burgoyne has nominated Essendon as one of his preferred clubs along with Melb and Haw because of his relationship with Alwyn.
I'm interested to know whether Burgoyne has either:
a) Has a club in mind and wants to head there
b) Spoken to a club
OR
c) Just wants to come to any Melbourne team.
I have a feeling he has a club in mind, due to him completely turning his back on Port, but that may just be due to him knowing how good he is and that at least a handful of clubs would be interested.
s.burgoyne most definitely has a club in mind but his management have correctly advised him to not announce it - by seemingly keeping his options open he basically creates a bidding war inflating his annual salary.
The Donners
16 Sep 2009, 11:52
s.burgoyne most definitely has a club in mind but his management have correctly advised him to not announce it - by seemingly keeping his options open he basically creates a bidding war inflating his annual salary.
If it comes down to salary...
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/whereismypopcorn/ccvb.jpg
DoubleA
16 Sep 2009, 13:01
If it comes down to salary...
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/whereismypopcorn/ccvb.jpg
do u work for the herald sun?
To me, not ignoring the fact Davey is there, he has mentioned Melbourne because he had to - it now gives him huge bargaining power over Port by nominating the team with #1 PSD pick as an option. Port may get nothing, in theory. Melbourne will have cap space, but they are much more of an unknown on relation to time-frame of a potential flag than the other 2, I feel.
This means Essendon and Hawthorn are his preferred options. This also means his manager has been in contact with both (and Melbourne) and we have to be interested to some extent.
I think we would have a cap advantage over Hawthorn, we could front load his contract with Lucas/Lloyd going and not having premiership superstars that Hawthorn does. Hawthorn is seemingly also after Gibson, so cap may be a tough one for them.
Trade-wise, they have the pick before us obviously down the draft order, however we have the advantage with the fact Lovett wants out. I dont think Hawthorn are willing to part with anyone of that ilk I wouldnt have thought. They are also trying to do a trade for Gibson, so surely this will hamper any further trading.
This tells me that, if we really want him, we can get him. It all depends on the price we are willing to pay.
If Port want Lovett, and he could be the type they are after to straighten out, we would hold a massive advantage.
eth-dog
16 Sep 2009, 14:06
Lovett and Nash for S. Burgoyne. think about it, Lovett is a player that they'd want to get for his speed, skill and poise. Williams would sort him out. Nash is a fringe player outside our best 35, who is a SA boy and could go home and play for the SANFL club he supported/played for, as well as PA. Win-Win for both clubs
Would be a very good pick up. Can't imagine Port accepting anything less than a first round draft pick for him. Though they may have to settle for a 2nd rounder plus a player or lose him for nothing in the PSD.
The Donners
16 Sep 2009, 15:29
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26050805-5016212,00.html
Hmmmmmmm......
Ben the Gooner
16 Sep 2009, 15:43
Let's stop with the embarrassing trade options, shall we? Why would Port want Nash, who is likely to be delisted anyway, or Laycock, who is still a reasonable chance to retire because of his foot?
I'd suggest offering pick 10 as an opening bid, but also be prepared to offer Sam Lonergan (Port apparantly need inside midfielders) for their pick 24 or 40.
So, in other words, we offer:
Pick 10 for Burgoyne
then if that fails
Pick 10 + Lonergan for Burgoyne + Pick 24
then if that fails
Pick 10 + Lonergan for Burgoyne + Pick 40