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ok.crows
30 Mar 2003, 23:20
Well?
Have Port changed it from 2002, and do they need to change it back?
PAfolwr
30 Mar 2003, 23:30
Originally posted by ok.crows
Well?
Have Port changed it from 2002, and do they need to change it back?
Hard to say after last Saturday's game.
We got flogged in the midfield.
Many posters on this board have been saying all week that the performance of our patched up midfield would be the key to the game, and at the end of the day, that's exactly what happened.
Porthos
30 Mar 2003, 23:34
Looked like the same style to me - we worked with the concept of clean possession and attempting to mark while the opposition just played on at all costs and did better. Its the style that normally causes our gameplan to falter.
ok.crows
30 Mar 2003, 23:40
Originally posted by Porthos
Looked like the same style to me - we worked with the concept of clean possession and attempting to mark while the opposition just played on at all costs and did better. Its the style that normally causes our gameplan to falter.
It might be the same style, but Ports execution of their gameplan last year was close to perfect, but so far this year ... well you be the judges.
PAfolwr
30 Mar 2003, 23:54
Originally posted by ok.crows
It might be the same style, but Ports execution of their gameplan last year was close to perfect, but so far this year ... well you be the judges.
There really is nothing to judge at this stage.
That gameplan was built around several players, or at least a certain type of player. When those players are not there, it is hardly going to work well.
West Coast played crap, but we played bigger crap. Skills errors all round the park. Shocking umpiring that ended up favouring one team over the other. Players underdone everywhere.
Nothing much can be made of that game.
Come Showdown time we will see where both teams are. At the moment the Crows are winning comfortably on points.
We have 1/4-1/3 of the team out, about another 1/4- 1/3 of the team underdone and about 1/4 of the team being "new". Hardly a winning formula.
By contrast the Crows are very close to having the best team out on the park in their best conditions.
Have your fun while it lasts. ;)
Originally posted by ok.crows
It might be the same style, but Ports execution of their gameplan last year was close to perfect, but so far this year ... well you be the judges.
You mean we aren't playing well? What an intelligent insight. None of us have been able to come up with it.
Macca19
31 Mar 2003, 10:58
Originally posted by ok.crows
It might be the same style, but Ports execution of their gameplan last year was close to perfect, but so far this year ... well you be the judges.
Well done simple Simon!!!
At various stages this preseason weve had 12 first team players out of the side and another 3-4 rookies on the sidelines as well. Weve had a number of players with minimal pre season.
On the weekend we were still 4-5 first team players short and also another 5-6 players underdone.
Take that amount out of the Crows and see how they execute their gameplan.
Ford Fairlane
31 Mar 2003, 11:12
Here's one back at ya ok. Do you think the crows have peaked too early?
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Here's one back at ya ok. Do you think the crows have peaked too early?
Peaked? :confused:
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Here's one back at ya ok. Do you think the crows have peaked too early?
excuse me for butting in
It's only round 1 & i don't think the Crows have peaked to early especially with Carey, Roo & Bicks having an interrupted pre-season plus the more games our 3 talls forwards play together the more dangerous they will become & i like Gary Ayres attitude in going flat out to win no matter what game it is also for the team to play attacking as well as accountable footy,
On Ports start to the year it was to be expected what with the injury toll & maybe taking the eye of the ball before hand,
the game against the Eagles in the first half was riddled with mistakes from both sides but what a great game from Wanganeen who showed he still has what it takes,
ok.crows
31 Mar 2003, 12:21
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Here's one back at ya ok. Do you think the crows have peaked too early?
Let's put it this way - right at the moment I'm not worried about Crows gameplan nor their execution of it, but I do recognise that could change at any time.
Right now, I'd worry that Port might have trouble getting back into that very good form they had last year.
Port have a lot of players out and can reasonably be expected to improve drastically. They showed this same thing last year after losing the first two went on to win 18 of the next 20. Fantastic.
However, this season it might not be as easy to do that.
The worry is that last year even when Port lost they were competitive & didn't lose badly. I'm wondering if you people think recent Port losses are bad enough to cause concern that confidence may become dented.
Also, how do you people think it will pan out for Port this week against Brisbane at home?
Ford Fairlane
31 Mar 2003, 12:35
Originally posted by ok.crows
Let's put it this way - right at the moment I'm not worried about Crows gameplan nor their execution of it, but I do recognise that could change at any time.
Right now, I'd worry that Port might have trouble getting back into that very good form they had last year.
Port have a lot of players out and can reasonably be expected to improve drastically. They showed this same thing last year after losing the first two went on to win 18 of the next 20. Fantastic.
However, this season it might not be as easy to do that.
The worry is that last year even when Port lost they were competitive & didn't lose badly. I'm wondering if you people think recent Port losses are bad enough to cause concern that confidence may become dented.
Also, how do you people think it will pan out for Port this week against Brisbane at home?
From my already fast becoming vague recollection of the game, I wasn't concerned about the gameplan, or even the execution of it per se. In fact I thought it looked much more direct than usual - could see a bit of Centrals style under Clarkson in it. To halftime we had many less possessions than WCE and yet were only a few points down. I was also happy with the attack on the ball and the player in possession. What sabotaged us were basic ball handling errors ... we took our pre season form into the first real game. Both sides turned it over way too much and both sides scored from the other's mistakes. WCE were brilliant in the third quarter, especially from centre clearances, and blew us apart - they cleaned up their use of the ball so well I couldn't tell what ours was like cos we couldn't get it.
In all reality, after the Brisbane game I expect us to be 0-2, but I don't think I could draw a line through our form until at least Round 6, given a reasonable run with injury. I'd expect to be 3-3, maybe 4-2 after 6 rounds to provide a springboard for a 15-7 maybe 16-6 season. I wouldn't expect another 18-4 season and would hope they don't run themselves into the ground trying to achieve it.
Macca19
31 Mar 2003, 12:37
Originally posted by ok.crows
Right now, I'd worry that Port might have trouble getting back into that very good form they had last year.
Port have a lot of players out and can reasonably be expected to improve drastically. They showed this same thing last year after losing the first two went on to win 18 of the next 20. Fantastic.
However, this season it might not be as easy to do that.
The worry is that last year even when Port lost they were competitive & didn't lose badly. I'm wondering if you people think recent Port losses are bad enough to cause concern that confidence may become dented.
Im still not worried. We are serial slow starters. Only won our first game twice ever. Im not worried about the gameplan anyway. In hte preseason we were without half of our forward line and most of our midfield. THats gonna make any team struggle for form. I mean for some trial games we had Bishop and Thurstans as our two key forwards. That wont happen this year...at all. In fact it probably wont ever happen again.
Also, how do you people think it will pan out for Port this week against Brisbane at home?
They havent beaten us here in 4 games since 1999, so im fairly confident. Depends who we get back from injury this week. If we get James, Schofield, Brogan and dare i say Kingsley and possibly CCC then i reckon we are a big chance.
Ford Fairlane
31 Mar 2003, 12:58
The bottom line is (as Noddy also pointed out) it's only Round 1 and it's way too early to decide whether Port's game plan is dysfunctional, or whether the crows have "peaked too early".
dreamkillers
31 Mar 2003, 13:12
Originally posted by Macca19
Depends who we get back from injury this week. If we get James, Schofield, Brogan and dare i say Kingsley and possibly CCC then i reckon we are a big chance.
Brogan is a definite and with Primus possibly under a cloud that is a good thing.
I'd like to see James, Scofield and Hall in as midfielders as that was where we got flogged in the 3rd quarter.
My main concerns for this week is the injury to Wakelin. I'd say Chad is a fair chance to play on Brown with Lade, Brogan and Primus rotating through the forward line.
As for worrying about form.......**** it's only round 1 and there's a long way to go before having to worry if the game plan (which tends to change each week depending on players available and opposition) isn't working.........
I think ok.crows comments are straight out of the Alan Sheil school of absolutely crap journalism........his best question to Chocco at the aftermatch press conference was how important early wins were to which the reply he got was..........
"I actually found last year that late wins are the critical ones," Williams said.
"But there's no doubt (you have to be near the eight to have an impact) and we're not actually considering that we won't be near the eight. You'd like to win every game and this is one we haven't won, so we'll regroup and get back with it for next week."
dreamkillers
31 Mar 2003, 13:15
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
The bottom line is (as Noddy also pointed out) it's only Round 1 and it's way too early to decide whether Port's game plan is dysfunctional, or whether the crows have "peaked too early".
I think someone (not Noddy) was expecting us to give them some praise and say all hail the crows and the king when there's still 21 more rounds til the real stuff begins........
PAfolwr
31 Mar 2003, 13:38
Question for ok.crows.
As Carey is only expected to play 4-6 games for the year, are you worried that after next week he only has 4 left at most?
ok.crows
31 Mar 2003, 14:08
Originally posted by PAfolwr
Question for ok.crows.
As Carey is only expected to play 4-6 games for the year, are you worried that after next week he only has 4 left at most?
Expected by whom?
PAfolwr
31 Mar 2003, 14:55
Originally posted by ok.crows
Expected by whom?
Let me see.
Since this Carey saga started we have continuously read that Adelaide has thrown all it's eggs in one basket, but if you can get him on the park for about half of the games, then you have done well as he will make a contribution in those games.
That you are not getting Carey in his prime, but a battered and bruised ex champion.
We have also been reading that if he is managed properly, then you may get a couple of years out of him, or at least partial years. Hence him playing at FF, rather then at CHF because he can't stand up to the rigours of playing at CHF any more.
This is all from memory, but I am sure there is no end to the things said about him, in particular by the Crows supporters on these boards.
However, that is not the point. The real point is how is my post any worse than your original post on this thread?
topjars
31 Mar 2003, 23:11
While on the topic of Ports gameplans (and this is not a troll) why did Chocco leave Lade in ruck in the third quarter when Port were being belted? Primus wasnt injured was he?:confused:
If Primus goes down so will Port
Originally posted by topjars
If Primus goes down so will Port
Would be interesting to see how the camries 3rd string ruckman would have fared ;)
You guys need some new material, all you've said so far is we are playing badly and if our captain and dual all australian goes down we will struggle (although we beat you last time we played without him). Is there a state the obvious competition going on?
Porthos
31 Mar 2003, 23:23
I seem to remember Cahill doing the same thing before he got sacked. I agree that he needs to rest Primus, but not when the game is still in the balance....he's not just influential as a ruckman, he's the bloody captain.
topjars
31 Mar 2003, 23:27
It wasnt obvious to me Primus was injured.
Played a bit of the 3rd quarter and the last.
Not listed as injured in the paper?
So if he wasnt injured was it a coaching aberration?
Mudholian
1 Apr 2003, 00:28
Well I always have a problem working out what the gameplan is, and when we don't have the ball, makes it even harder. Always think the basics don't change much and the game plan follows.
Why didn't Port get the ball. I don't know this either, looked slow, hesistant, made bad choices, turned it over, ran one too many sand dunes, left their jetskins on, you tell me.
Maybe a few players were not available that could have helped with the midfield, this talk always sounds like excuse making though. Maybe West Coast are a good side this year.
West Coast are a good side this year, as long as Jakovich and McIntosh hold up.
Originally posted by Macca19
Take that amount out of the Crows and see how they execute their gameplan.
depends who they were of course
If its five small players such as Kingsley Schofield Wilson James etc we would be ok
Doughty Gallagher Massie Burns Shirley Nelson Begley etc etc are all capable of filling in quite well.
Our depth of small players is second to none at the moment.
Key positions we would struggle as would most clubs.
Rutten adn Bock are not good enough yet and Crowell is too inconsistent.
I do like the look of Hentschell though.
footballphantom
1 Apr 2003, 11:21
You know I really object to Crows coming on our board. It is a pity that there is not some system where supporters can only read not post on club boards. It seems to be that Crow supporters are have nothing better to do that down Port when we all know that they are the favoured team in SA by the SANFL and the AFL.
If only the Crows supporters realised that the best thing that happened to the Crows was Power coming into the competition as it has provided competition and improved the footy. It is still a pity that the SANFL and AFL were so short sighted that they did not bring in two teams in SA and WA at once. But then men run football.
I know that I was really disappointed that Crows fans did not support the Power against Collingwood in the final last year but then had the last laugh, they had to travel every week where as if Power had won they would have got a final home.
Originally posted by footballphantom
You know I really object to Crows coming on our board. It is a pity that there is not some system where supporters can only read not post on club boards. It seems to be that Crow supporters are have nothing better to do that down Port when we all know that they are the favoured team in SA by the SANFL and the AFL.
If only the Crows supporters realised that the best thing that happened to the Crows was Power coming into the competition as it has provided competition and improved the footy. It is still a pity that the SANFL and AFL were so short sighted that they did not bring in two teams in SA and WA at once. But then men run football.
I know that I was really disappointed that Crows fans did not support the Power against Collingwood in the final last year but then had the last laugh, they had to travel every week where as if Power had won they would have got a final home.
Constructive criticism from posters outside your club now & again does no one any harm & helps people such as your self to see a broader picture, & as for Crows not supporting Port Power last year, would you really want them to??
dreamkillers
1 Apr 2003, 12:24
Originally posted by noddy
as for Crows not supporting Port Power last year, would you really want them to??
NO......
Originally posted by footballphantom
You know I really object to Crows coming on our board. It is a pity that there is not some system where supporters can only read not post on club boards. It seems to be that Crow supporters are have nothing better to do that down Port when we all know that they are the favoured team in SA by the SANFL and the AFL.
If only the Crows supporters realised that the best thing that happened to the Crows was Power coming into the competition as it has provided competition and improved the footy. It is still a pity that the SANFL and AFL were so short sighted that they did not bring in two teams in SA and WA at once. But then men run football.
I know that I was really disappointed that Crows fans did not support the Power against Collingwood in the final last year but then had the last laugh, they had to travel every week where as if Power had won they would have got a final home.
I think of myself as reasonably fair minded.
I rarely come on the Port board, and then it isn't to troll. Equally I visit and post on other teams boards.
To me it is important that I hear what other supporters have to say, as it balances the all Crow viewpoint on our board.
But let me get this straight.
You don't like the Crows.
You don't like men, or at least the way men run football. :confused:
You wanted Crows supporters, whom you do not like, to support the Power against Collingwood. :confused: :confused:
When the Crows were forced to travel all through the finals you laughed, despite your sig. :confused: :confused: :confused:
I suppose you'll see this as a troll, but honestly, do you even know what you are saying?
Signed,
A male Crows supporter.
Originally posted by Jars458
depends who they were of course
If its five small players such as Kingsley Schofield Wilson James etc we would be ok
Doughty Gallagher Massie Burns Shirley Nelson Begley etc etc are all capable of filling in quite well.
Our depth of small players is second to none at the moment.
Key positions we would struggle as would most clubs.
Rutten adn Bock are not good enough yet and Crowell is too inconsistent.
I do like the look of Hentschell though.
The problem was more the inconsistent pre-season than anything. Tredrea, Hardwick, Primus were all underdone. Brogan, Carr, James, Kingsley and Schofield were all out. Maybe the Crows can cover small players, but apart from McLeod small players are not their strength so us losing those players is similar to the Crows losing Smart, Stevens, Edwards, Bode and Goodwin.
Could a team be competitive under those circumstances? I think not.
Originally posted by mic59
The problem was more the inconsistent pre-season than anything. Tredrea, Hardwick, Primus were all underdone. Brogan, Carr, James, Kingsley and Schofield were all out. Maybe the Crows can cover small players, but apart from McLeod small players are not their strength so us losing those players is similar to the Crows losing Smart, Stevens, Edwards, Bode and Goodwin.
Could a team be competitive under those circumstances? I think not.
You forgot about Clarke being underdone and Biglands out.
Wouldn't you love having Primus ruck a whole quarter against Marsh.
Sad to say it, but unless Lade finds some form and fast, he is slowly but surely going to be regarded not much better than Marsh.
footballphantom
1 Apr 2003, 21:23
When the Crows were forced to travel all through the finals you laughed, despite your sig.
Yep my sig is fine. You cannot have a fair finals without a fair competition. No good worrying about the finals when you may not have the best 8 in the final series. Until all teams play each other twice in the home and away the finals are not fair either. You must first fix one problem before you can start on another.
You don't like men
How on earth did you come up with that. I may not like the way men do things but God I love them. Ah but forgive me I do not like Bush, Howard and Blair at the moment.
I suppose you'll see this as a troll, but honestly, do you even know what you are saying?
Yes I do know what I am saying.
ok.crows
1 Apr 2003, 22:33
Originally posted by footballphantom
You know I really object to Crows coming on our board. It is a pity that there is not some system where supporters can only read not post on club boards. It seems to be that Crow supporters are have nothing better to do that down Port when we all know that they are the favoured team in SA by the SANFL and the AFL.
I was (and I remain) very careful not to offer my views on your board, but merely to ask for yours.
Originally posted by ok.crows
I was (and I remain) very careful not to offer my views on your board, but merely to ask for yours.
Just putting what you say in the form of a question does not mean you are not putting forward your own opinion. I am not saying you are the worst Cows poster on this board, but don't try to say you are not like the rest of your fellows.
Originally posted by mic59
but don't try to say you are not like the rest of your fellows.
& what jolly good fellows we are, we even share our footy club with the rest of South Australia so they at can least have a taste of the ultimate success the AFC has achieved so far, ;)
ps, apologies once again to jabsy & Port Power,
Originally posted by mic59
The problem was more the inconsistent pre-season than anything. Tredrea, Hardwick, Primus were all underdone. Brogan, Carr, James, Kingsley and Schofield were all out. Maybe the Crows can cover small players, but apart from McLeod small players are not their strength so us losing those players is similar to the Crows losing Smart, Stevens, Edwards, Bode and Goodwin.
Could a team be competitive under those circumstances? I think not.
I disagree with your player comparisons.
Stenglein Bode Crowell and Burton may more equate to your injured players.
plus Carey had played the same amount of Footy as Warren.
But I do agree that Port were underdone and will improve significantly from ehre and will easily finish top four.
Can't see you winning this week though, as the draw has been very unkind.
Looking forward to round 5.
Originally posted by footballphantom
When the Crows were forced to travel all through the finals you laughed, despite your sig.
Yep my sig is fine. You cannot have a fair finals without a fair competition. No good worrying about the finals when you may not have the best 8 in the final series. Until all teams play each other twice in the home and away the finals are not fair either. You must first fix one problem before you can start on another.
OK fair enough. Although there are many inequalities in the AFL and the fact that all teams do not play each other twice is one, albeit a minor one IMO.
If you are truly concerned with a fair competition, then to laugh at the Crows being forced to travel in the finals is contradictory to this stance.
Perhaps you could reword your sig as "A fair competition for Port Adelaide please."
Originally posted by footballphantom
[B]You don't like men
How on earth did you come up with that. I may not like the way men do things but God I love them. Ah but forgive me I do not like Bush, Howard and Blair at the moment..
Selective editing, but I think you know what my point was.
There is nothing to forgive at all, particularly regarding the three unwise monkeys.
Originally posted by Jars458
I disagree with your player comparisons.
Stenglein Bode Crowell and Burton may more equate to your injured players.
plus Carey had played the same amount of Footy as Warren.
But I do agree that Port were underdone and will improve significantly from ehre and will easily finish top four.
Can't see you winning this week though, as the draw has been very unkind.
Looking forward to round 5.
Noticed you said nothing about Marsh being forced to ruck.
Convenient omission?
ok.crows
2 Apr 2003, 12:49
Originally posted by mic59
Just putting what you say in the form of a question does not mean you are not putting forward your own opinion. I am not saying you are the worst Cows poster on this board, but don't try to say you are not like the rest of your fellows.
Truly, I wasn't trying to put forward my opinion, as I am quite undecided over this question myself.
There are several possibilities:
1. Port have perhaps opted to focus on the wrong aspects of the game - they have perhaps focussed on increased hardness at the ball & upper body strength to match Lions, and have perhaps sacrificed a bit of edge in pace as a consequence, or
2. Port are having a bit of trouble with the change to the ruck rule (AKA the Primus rule) and can't quite match their gameplan to this altered circumstance, or
3. Port have a lot of injury & suspension & are having a bit of a slow start, just like last year, and it isn't a worry, or
4. Something else is going on, or
5. Nothing is going on, it was just 1 game & Port need to pick it up a bit. Anyone can have an off day.
There you go, lots of alternatives, (I hope none of them offend sensibilities too much) ... and I was wondering which you people thought. You have far more insight into Port than I do.
Originally posted by topjars
It wasnt obvious to me Primus was injured.
Played a bit of the 3rd quarter and the last.
Not listed as injured in the paper?
So if he wasnt injured was it a coaching aberration?
He was/is injured. I guess he could of pulled a Roo and just not played at all.
Originally posted by mic59
Just putting what you say in the form of a question does not mean you are not putting forward your own opinion. I am not saying you are the worst Cows poster on this board, but don't try to say you are not like the rest of your fellows.
You know, I came here yesterday for the same reason as ok.crows. I was curious to know what was up with the Power. Who'd know better then you guys? I'd love to think the wheels have fallen off and it's all over for the Power, but I know that's not the case, so I wanted to see what you guys thought the problem was.
There are a number of Port supporters who post on our board and in general they have very valid opinions and provide a good foil to the "all Crows" viewpoint there. When someone trolls, we give em what for, as anyone would.
Surely there's nothing wrong with all this? Why is it that if we post on your board or ask a question we are automatically assumed to be taking the ****?
Originally posted by napsyd
You know, I came here yesterday for the same reason as ok.crows. I was curious to know what was up with the Power. Who'd know better then you guys? I'd love to think the wheels have fallen off and it's all over for the Power, but I know that's not the case, so I wanted to see what you guys thought the problem was.
There are a number of Port supporters who post on our board and in general they have very valid opinions and provide a good foil to the "all Crows" viewpoint there. When someone trolls, we give em what for, as anyone would.
Surely there's nothing wrong with all this? Why is it that if we post on your board or ask a question we are automatically assumed to be taking the ****?
Some have a history of ****takeolism. ;)
Originally posted by PAfolwr
Some have a history of ****takeolism. ;)
How awful! Is that treatable? :D
Originally posted by napsyd
How awful! Is that treatable? :D
Three hail Williams before breakfast, and a couple of Ports before bedtime will fix it no problems. :D
Originally posted by PAfolwr
Three hail Williams before breakfast, and a couple of Ports before bedtime will fix it no problems. :D
Hmmm. I don't worship Satan and I prefer Tokays.
Guess I'm stuffed then. :(
Originally posted by PAfolwr
Noticed you said nothing about Marsh being forced to ruck.
Convenient omission?
I thought Primus played???
Marsh is a better tap ruckman than any of yours other than Primus
havn't seen enough of Brogan.
He is crap around the ground though.
Originally posted by Jars458
I thought Primus played???
Marsh is a better tap ruckman than any of yours other than Primus
havn't seen enough of Brogan.
He is crap around the ground though.
Primus played in the first half and the first few minutes of the second half. It was when he had to go off that West Coast really got on top.
Dont see any problems with the gameplan, thanks for the concern though (this thread was amusing to reminisce on)
You're right, Port01, old threads are a joke. That last comment extolling the virtues of Marsh was hilarious. Don't know if he even has got a look in this year but no way is he superior to any of our rucks.