View Full Version : Carroll, German, Klemke and Magin all gone
Windas_Magic
18 Sep 2009, 17:30
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7041
Meanwhile, giant ruckman Christian Bock will be retained on the rookie list for the 2010 season.
The club has told fellow rookies Bryce Carroll, Kade Klemke, Thomas German and Rhys Magin that they will not be offered a place next season.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7041
Article is mainly about our interest in Burgoyne but i found it surprising that we would get rid of all our rookies other than Bock, especially seeing that for most of them it was their first year on the rookie list.
Skeeta Olly
18 Sep 2009, 17:35
It's a shame Magin was too small to really have a crack at AFL.
Not surprised about Magin or Klemke. However I did think German and Carroll might have gotten a second chance (not that it bothers me). Perhaps we have specific plans on what we want to do in the rookie draft this year.
Tailypo
18 Sep 2009, 17:44
German a bit unlucky I feel. Does anyone know of anyone we will potentially rookie list, from Bendigo or elsewhere?
eth-dog
18 Sep 2009, 17:54
disappointing in Carroll, German and Klemke, all were good players, not surprised about Magin. Klemke very disappointed about
Big Blow Hard
18 Sep 2009, 18:22
One year is often all they get. I am sure some rookies have been redrafted onto Rookie lists, so that may happen. I have not seen much of them, but they clearly did not show enough inprovement or potential.
Magin was never going to make it, though I would love to implant his heart and endeavour into some other players. He could get a shot at the Gold Coast with his brother still.
Bock is a long long term project. I don't know if anyone has actually seen him play to fill us in on his apparent potential.
Just on this subject. A few people were talking up the prospects of a young fella at Bendigo, I think it was Ky Miller? Is he perhaps still on the radar for rookie listing next season?
Big Blow Hard
18 Sep 2009, 18:26
Also, I would not mind using a couple of our rookie spots to recruit slightly more mature players. Someone who as developed late and is showing good things in the VFL or WAFL for example.
One player like this I would definitely love to see on the rookie list is Scott Pendleburys brother who is in Collingwoods VFL side. I have heard good reports on him and if he could turn out anywhere near as good as Scott, he would be worth a chance.
Little Jerry
18 Sep 2009, 19:02
Wasn't German doing really well in the VFL? Or am i wrong?
AndyLesPaul
18 Sep 2009, 20:10
Wasn't Klemke the player we were all raving about last year? What happened there?
And German was doing well in the vfl, yes.
Yeh I was surprised we chopped the 1st year rookies. There must be some plan in place this offseason.
I too thought German was going ok.
IbbosBFF
18 Sep 2009, 20:31
What's the deal with Klemke? Everyone hyped him up last year and now he's being shown the door.
Had obvious kicking issues but how was his form this year?
Wasn't Klemke the player we were all raving about last year? What happened there?
Don't know about the rest of you, but I just thought had a great name
I think Big blow hard hit it on the head earlier when he mentioned the redrafting. Very possible.
What is interesting is that, and i'm guessing a wee bit here, I think those three were similar types, positional players. We desparatley need to keep addressing the ruck stocks so bock is not surprising, Magin is obviously not wanted and of the others one possibly has another chance.
But I think that our list is doing well in that positoinal role. Gotta have something to standout to warrant another crack.
I would say one thing, and that is that if i was one of them I would be a little pissed with Essendon's alignment with Bendigo for not maximising their AFL chance. Gone is a long time gone for most.
I think Big blow hard hit it on the head earlier when he mentioned the redrafting. Very possible.
I guess. But "The club has told fellow rookies ..... that they will not be offered a place next season." makes it sound like redrafting won't happen.
__aria__
18 Sep 2009, 21:14
hmm i wonder what the issues are with klemkes game
most people thought he would go in the ND but he slid to the rookie draft and now hes goneski
can anyone who has seen a lot of him this year shed any light?
I guess. But "The club has told fellow rookies ..... that they will not be offered a place next season." makes it sound like redrafting won't happen.
Thanks for the bold type Spikey, obviously i didnt read the op:confused:
My post was speculative in that the practice of delisting and redrafting rookies is common as BBH alluded too.
I think that it is altogether most likely that they are gone but what would you expect the club to announce? Would it surprise you if the club said they were not wanted when they delisted them only to find come rookie draft time for one to be offered a place?
Shooting the breeze mate and could care little. As I noted we seemed to covered in their roles seemingly. Small money anyhow
Thanks for the bold type Spikey, obviously i didnt read the op:confused:
My post was speculative in that the practice of delisting and redrafting rookies is common as BBH alluded too.
I think that it is altogether most likely that they are gone but what would you expect the club to announce? Would it surprise you if the club said they were not wanted when they delisted them only to find come rookie draft time for one to be offered a place?
I just think the way the article is phrased, in particular the bolded bit, rules out re-drafting. So yes, I would be surprised, at this stage, if any of the players got re-drafted.
Longy413
18 Sep 2009, 21:41
Also, I would not mind using a couple of our rookie spots to recruit slightly more mature players. Someone who as developed late and is showing good things in the VFL or WAFL for example.
One player like this I would definitely love to see on the rookie list is Scott Pendleburys brother who is in Collingwoods VFL side. I have heard good reports on him and if he could turn out anywhere near as good as Scott, he would be worth a chance.
Kris.
Played at Bendigo a few years ago, like his brother grew up playing basketball.
Good athlete that had a lot of areas in his game to improve and seems to have made some inroads.
Could be a chance.
What's the deal with Klemke? Everyone hyped him up last year and now he's being shown the door.
Had obvious kicking issues but how was his form this year?
That and he was a tool.
Sam the RAMA fan
18 Sep 2009, 21:47
Very disappointed with this decision.
Carroll has some good potential, and I was told by that so called 'Essendon Insider' on the website, that he will be on the list and will make his debut in 2010. What a load of crock. :thumbsd:
Hawthorn and Collingwood showed alot of interest in him before we picked him up, he was invited to the lexus to train, and no doubt he will be picked up and playing at a new club next season. I wish him all the best. Feel sorry, as he was an Essendon supporter.
German was doing well also,
you think they would of kept him as well.
I would of kept Carroll, German and Bock, but he is safe.
:(
I just think the way the article is phrased, in particular the bolded bit, rules out re-drafting. So yes, I would be surprised, at this stage, if any of the players got re-drafted.
"the way the article is phrased...."
Hence me being speculative.
But without being argumentative on this one mate, the really curious thing is that I am under the impression that the rookie list has some lattitude at present. 6 or so with Gc coming and more changes to take place. Currently we will have how many? Someone better informed can clarify that and the rookie list situation going forward.
My point, speculatively, is that there could be worse times to be delisted coming into Gc and a less than stellar national draft, to be redrafted.
Hence, the note, it is possible and wouldn't surprise me. But in all honesty i know naught about these kids.
Longy413
18 Sep 2009, 22:08
Very disappointed with this decision.
Carroll has some good potential, and I was told by that so called 'Essendon Insider' on the website, that he will be on the list and will make his debut in 2010. What a load of crock. :thumbsd:
Hawthorn and Collingwood showed alot of interest in him before we picked him up, he was invited to the lexus to train, and no doubt he will be picked up and playing at a new club next season. I wish him all the best. Feel sorry, as he was an Essendon supporter.
German was doing well also,
you think they would of kept him as well.
I would of kept Carroll, German and Bock, but he is safe.
:(
How close are either of them to our best 25?
Miles off and the fact is we'll draft another three or four kids this year that will probably be ahead of them as well.
That and he was a tool.
Really? I remember saying last year I thought he was a pointless draft as his kicking was terrible, but I thought he showed good leadership or something (reportedly), what was wrong with his attitude? Not that I really care, there was a reason he didn't go in the ND and I didn't think he would make it.
Interesting reading on this topic and some very valid points from all parties.
Obviously the downside is the fact that we have lost three very talented footballers in Bryce Carroll, Kade Klemke and Rhys Magin.
Each one has there own destiny, and each (I personally think) will be on a list somewhere in the near future.
Magin may be looked at very closely for the Gold Coast franchise, as he has experience at the top level (albeit very limited senior game experience) he has that knowledge of what it actually needs to take to get to the top level, the fact that his brother (who is also another extremely talented footballer) is already on there list may sway the Gold Coast frankchise to pursue R.Magin.
Klemke, as we all know was an All Australian last year, and was captain of the Murray Bushrangers in there premiership winning year in 2008. We all know that he trained with the Tigers before Terry Wallace pulled the pin on him and decided that Ben Cousins was a better option, we took the oppurtunity to get him at Pick 50 in the rookie draft. He is a positional type player, and one who I could see turn into that Corey Enright type player (maybe not so good, but you get the jist). He is an outstanding leader, rallies the troops and I was surprised (as was most) when he slipped to our pick in the rookie draft.
Bryce Carrol is the most interesting one of the bunch, a unique player who I actually had high hopes for after a string of solid games at Bendigo in a variety of roles. Although not completely sold on him, I always thought there was some potential in him.
The rookie list is a place of development, thus the reason Bock was not taken in the National Draft, the fact that some of the most dominant players in the comp were from the rookie list, no one had the knowledge of how advanced there game would become, look at Dean Cox, Sam Mitchell, Andrew Lovett even, all came off the rookie list.
These kids were the best of what was left, as you are required to have X amount of players on your supplementary list, and this is the best of what was left, obviously I think we will see a couple of mature age picks with this years draft (Jay Van Berlo, Greg Broughton - Fremantle: They were both mature aged rookies drafted into the squad and then given game time) i see something similar happening at the Bombers this year, although through taller options, key position players, at both ends of the ground, and even ruckmen in the state leagues I think will be given more of a chance.
I am actually hoping to see Klemke get onto a list next year, same goes with Carrol, think they can become solid players at a AFL club, as for Magin, one poster alluded too perfectly, "We could always tell he was not going to make it"; says it all really.
I think a few people need to adress their thoughts on how good players are if you are saying any of the ones delisted are "good" players.
Klemke - not overly quick , ordinary disposal and as Longy mentioned a bit of a tool.
Carroll - head case who never really did a lot. Pumped up by his parents who think he is the second coming of James Hird.
German - not quick and average skills.
Magin too small and struggled to put a stamp on VFL games.
I guess the only surprise for me is they belive there may be something better at the bottom end of this draft. Maybe they have an eye on some project talls.
I heard the rumour a few weeks ago that all the rookies apart from Quinn would be gone so Bock aside it was close to the mark. The other part of that rumour was Williams to be delisted and then picked up in the rookie draft if no one else takes him.
sausageroll
19 Sep 2009, 00:33
These kids were the best of what was left, as you are required to have X amount of players on your supplementary list, and this is the best of what was left, obviously I think we will see a couple of mature age picks with this years draft (Jay Van Berlo, Greg Broughton - Fremantle: They were both mature aged rookies drafted into the squad and then given game time) i see something similar happening at the Bombers this year, although through taller options, key position players, at both ends of the ground, and even ruckmen in the state leagues I think will be given more of a chance.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I think we'll see quite a few mature age draftees from a lot of clubs this season
This is exactly what I was thinking. I think we'll see quite a few mature age draftees from a lot of clubs this season
I know of at least 3 VFL players that will get a state screening invite and no i am not saying who as the all the information has not been made public yet.
I know of at least 3 VFL players that will get a state screening invite and no i am not saying who as the all the information has not been made public yet.
Is there any chance Essendon would look at Myles Sewell ant? (just as an aside)
I know of at least 3 VFL players that will get a state screening invite and no i am not saying who as the all the information has not been made public yet.
The invites for Draft Camp and State Screening are available for public consumption.
Are you suggesting that extra invitations will be offered for State Screenings ?
I kow that Jack Redpath of Bendigo has been invited.
Were you surprised that all the rookies were delisted ?
lemon chicken
19 Sep 2009, 08:21
German is probably the only one of these to be stiff but at best he would never be more than a good VFL player. I would like to think Redpath would be very much on the radar for next year. Hopefully its a better spread of player, a lot of similar types this year.
bomberz08
19 Sep 2009, 09:10
disappointing in Carroll, German and Klemke, all were good players, not surprised about Magin. Klemke very disappointed about
i feel the exact same way. i liked klemke
I know of at least 4 that have recieved state screening invites, one has shown me the letter he recieved.
Sam the RAMA fan
19 Sep 2009, 11:07
I think a few people need to adress their thoughts on how good players are if you are saying any of the ones delisted are "good" players.
Klemke - not overly quick , ordinary disposal and as Longy mentioned a bit of a tool.
Carroll - head case who never really did a lot. Pumped up by his parents who think he is the second coming of James Hird.
German - not quick and average skills.
Magin too small and struggled to put a stamp on VFL games.
I guess the only surprise for me is they belive there may be something better at the bottom end of this draft. Maybe they have an eye on some project talls.
I heard the rumour a few weeks ago that all the rookies apart from Quinn would be gone so Bock aside it was close to the mark. The other part of that rumour was Williams to be delisted and then picked up in the rookie draft if no one else takes him.
Don't agree with that one at all.
i'd generally agree with ant555's assessments and add:
klemke is not up to afl football due just being a battler - he has a dip but is slow and has shit skills.
german is very small and doesn't have good enough skills to compensate.
carroll - i thought had the most promise of the lot as he had reasonable pace and skills alright. no idea what he's like off-field but trust ant555 would be on the money with that.
magin - had plenty of opportunities to prove his worth but wasn't up to it.
German was doing very well. However, he does have a very mature body and doesn't look like he will grow much more. Its a shame, because he could have grown to been the type player that we need.
bombersno1
19 Sep 2009, 13:52
Poor Kade. I will miss him more than Lovett.
Bachar43
19 Sep 2009, 14:02
Don't agree with that one at all.
Same, i struggle to see where he is coming from too. What did you mean by 'head case' ant555??
Big Blow Hard
19 Sep 2009, 15:55
Didn't see an answer to this earlier.
Ky Miller (I think it was) at Bendigo was talked up earlier in the year by a few as a tall prospect. Has he devfeloped at all? Is he still on the radar?
Come on guys. If these guys are so good why are we de-listing them all? Especially if the draft is so shallow.
Obviously they showed something (the reason that we took them) yet there doesn't seem to be any exceitement or hype for any of the rookies. They were all comfortably overtaken by Quinn who has hardly played the game (is this too simplistic an argument?).
Don't agree with that one at all.
Yes, but you are hardly a picture of objectivity (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13362976&postcount=18) are you?
Perhaps slugger (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13358435&postcount=16) wasn't so far from the truth after all.
eth-dog
19 Sep 2009, 17:14
Poor Kade. I will miss him more than Lovett.
this is why no-one will ever respect you. you make dumb comments like this one
Same, i struggle to see where he is coming from too. What did you mean by 'head case' ant555??
Why do you think he was not picked in the ND. After you work that out you can find the real reason why he ended up with the Jets ;)
Bachar43
19 Sep 2009, 18:27
He slipped through the ND because he ran a 12 beep at draft camp. He was recommended to the Jets after showing great form at Doutta Stars and exemplary behaviour and leadership on an affiliated school's trip to Darwin in 2007.
Do you know Bryce? He's pretty reserved and quiet, but a head case? Unless you would like to shed some light...
He slipped through the ND because he ran a 12 beep at draft camp. He was recommended to the Jets after showing great form at Doutta Stars and exemplary behaviour and leadership on an affiliated school's trip to Darwin in 2007.
Do you know Bryce? He's pretty reserved and quiet, but a head case? Unless you would like to shed some light...
And the reason he did not play at Calder ??
Personally i don't know him at all but i do know the knocks on him draft wise. I know why he had the red line put through his name from the club i worked for last year.
Not that it really matters now. He can go back and show his outstanding leadership at Doutta Stars.
The Dustbin
19 Sep 2009, 19:32
That and he was a tool.
True. Will most likely start up his own church congregation.
Ironically, in summating Kade's future and the EFC
this poster's ofference scares me
True. Will most likely start up his own church congregation.
more than this one
Poor Kade. I will miss him more than Lovett.
but at least one is funny, reallllly irrelevant but pithy:thumbsu:
The Dustbin
19 Sep 2009, 22:03
Ironically, in summating Kade's future and the EFC
this poster's ofference scares me
more than this one
but at least one is funny, reallllly irrelevant but pithy:thumbsu:
Those who know Kade, will know what I'm talking about. Obviously you don't. Yes, there was sarcasm in what I said, but there is an element of truth to it.
Sam the RAMA fan
19 Sep 2009, 22:41
Yes, but you are hardly a picture of objectivity (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13362976&postcount=18) are you?
Perhaps slugger (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13358435&postcount=16) wasn't so far from the truth after all.
:rolleyes:
Someone's got a lot of time on their hands.
I just don't see the point in calling someone a head case or making assumptions about them if they arn't known off the field.
(Unless it's a Collingwood player) :p
Good luck to him,
I wish him all the best where ever he ends up. :thumbsu:
Those who know Kade, will know what I'm talking about. Obviously you don't. Yes, there was sarcasm in what I said, but there is an element of truth to it.
I'll take that on notice. Just makes it that much scarier.
In any event, comparing 'missing' Kade more than lovett is madness in type
That's a shame re: Klemke. I really enjoyed watching him at U18's level - kicking must not have come on enough. Pity.
The Dustbin
20 Sep 2009, 00:14
I'll take that on notice. Just makes it that much scarier.
In any event, comparing 'missing' Kade more than lovett is madness in type
Where and when did I compare Lovett' departure to Klemke'? I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused: :o
You get scared pretty easily don't you. :o
Where and when did I compare Lovett' departure to Klemke'? I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused: :o
You get scared pretty easily don't you. :o
You didn't...but
I think you should backtrack Dusty re bombersno1 quote. I coupled your and his quotes in a post previously. You even quoted the post.......so the segue is where?
fishguts
20 Sep 2009, 00:44
Hopefully Crameri finally gets a go...
The Dustbin
20 Sep 2009, 01:03
You didn't...but
I think you should backtrack Dusty re bombersno1 quote. I coupled your and his quotes in a post previously. You even quoted the post.......so the segue is where?
Yes Dapto, I quoted your post.... Arrr what's the point, this is going nowhere and is getting off topic.
It wouldn't surprise me if Klemke headed home and either played O & M or with Culcairn. Is very close to his family and is heavily involved in his religion.
As already mentioned Rhys is just too small and didn't have a impact at VFL. Doubt GC will pick him up. Merv Keane was claiming him as his little gem when he selected him!!!
Ant - that makes sense about delisting williams and drafting him as a rookie if he is still available. Do you think he is worth perservering with?
Yes Dapto, I quoted your post.... Arrr what's the point, this is going nowhere and is getting off topic.
The point is real simple dusty.
I didn't laden you with the comparison b/t lovett and Kade and I thought I clarified that before and I thought I complimented you on a verse well done re the pithe of Kade's future. And I chastised b#1 for missing kade more than lovett.
The congregational stuff ....finding an alternative religion or going missionary was pithy. It was funny all be it real.
God is good mate, and Kade will be fine regardless. My comment was never about their form anyhow. I think i made it very plain I could not comment on any of the delistees as i know naught about them.
You made an acerbic post. I bit. And i endorsed your point.
:rolleyes:
Someone's got a lot of time on their hands.
I just don't see the point in calling someone a head case or making assumptions about them if they arn't known off the field.
(Unless it's a Collingwood player) :p
Good luck to him,
I wish him all the best where ever he ends up. :thumbsu:
Not at all, I just remembered you had a vested interest from that thread and simply suggested that you may (maybe not, I wasn't saying you absolutely did) have a biased view point. Just as you imply that not knowing someone means you can't make an accurate judgment, the inverse is also true and sometimes if you are too close you view can be askew. Not saying that is true in this case, merely pointing out you have a clear side in the argument. (and it took me all of 1 minute to find that thread through search so no really effort on my behalf)
Also it's entirely possible to make a judgment call in regards to someone's personality as it relates to football by observing their behavior around a club. And this extends to all things in life, plenty of people are nice people but have a warped perspective of their role in things (whether at clubs, at work, in relationships etc). Once again not saying this is Carroll as I know nothing about him, I was just pointing out that someone (slugger) made the comment about him and his parents soon after he was drafted an entire year before ant made his comments.
Given your link to the family and response in the thread I referenced you can hardly claim a neutral standpoint, and given ants assessment was very close to that of sluggers (and I doubt ant knew about that post so that is two separate sources a year apart) it simply makes one think is all.
Nothing more, nothing less. (for what it's worth I wish him the best of luck)
The Dustbin
20 Sep 2009, 10:54
The point is real simple dusty.
I didn't laden you with the comparison b/t lovett and Kade and I thought I clarified that before and I thought I complimented you on a verse well done re the pithe of Kade's future. And I chastised b#1 for missing kade more than lovett.
The congregational stuff ....finding an alternative religion or going missionary was pithy. It was funny all be it real.
God is good mate, and Kade will be fine regardless. My comment was never about their form anyhow. I think i made it very plain I could not comment on any of the delistees as i know naught about them.
You made an acerbic post. I bit. And i endorsed your point.
No worries Dapto. Apologies for being too harsh on you.
God is good - I'm a catholic and you're right about Kade, he'll be fine.
Ben the Gooner
20 Sep 2009, 13:08
Ant - that makes sense about delisting williams and drafting him as a rookie if he is still available. Do you think he is worth perservering with?
Not on the senior list, tbh.
I'd say Lucas, Williams, Lovett, Nash/Lloyd will be the departures, with Williams to be re-rookied, and that's barring any trades.
I don't think swapping Williams for someone like Skipworth would be beneficial.
lemon chicken
20 Sep 2009, 13:48
Just in regard to the comments on Carrol im gonna add that i was amazed by some of the things that were coming out of the fathers mouth during one game i watched when standing close by. You dont really expect parents of Bendigo players to be verbally abusing their sons team mates during a game. It only took about half a qtr to figure out who he was baracking for and it wasnt either side.
ghost buster
20 Sep 2009, 14:04
What's the deal with Klemke? Everyone hyped him up last year and now he's being shown the door.
Had obvious kicking issues but how was his form this year?
I think klemke stil has the ability but has been limited with injuries. there is no doubt he is a hard worker an i think his skills have improved. Im sure the kid wil stay in melb an keep having a crack which i think he should. I think doing 4 hamstrings hasnt helped him this year and if he wants to play AFL he has to get those hamstrings and his fitness right. on reports this yr he has been most hardest working kid at the club.
u hav to remember i think he only played 6-8 games VFL this yr. hard to judge on that many games. so i stil think there can be a future for Kade.
lemon chicken
20 Sep 2009, 14:12
Didn't see an answer to this earlier.
Ky Miller (I think it was) at Bendigo was talked up earlier in the year by a few as a tall prospect. Has he devfeloped at all? Is he still on the radar?
Played the first 2 matches i think showed plenty but probably doesnt want it as much as others, went back to the Port Lincoln league and played with his mates. They won grand final yesterday, there is a link between him and the Harry Miller that played for the Hawks a few years ago realted somehow.
didn't ky miller get injured?
Big Blow Hard
20 Sep 2009, 20:04
Played the first 2 matches i think showed plenty but probably doesnt want it as much as others, went back to the Port Lincoln league and played with his mates. They won grand final yesterday, there is a link between him and the Harry Miller that played for the Hawks a few years ago realted somehow.
Thanks LC
dangerousmissile
20 Sep 2009, 21:25
It's a shame Magin was too small to really have a crack at AFL.
It is a shame but if Bart is listening he's now available to ride Viewed this Spring
Nt Bomber
22 Sep 2009, 20:46
didn't ky miller get injured?
Dont waste your time with him.
Sam the RAMA fan
23 Sep 2009, 21:33
Not at all, I just remembered you had a vested interest from that thread and simply suggested that you may (maybe not, I wasn't saying you absolutely did) have a biased view point. Just as you imply that not knowing someone means you can't make an accurate judgment, the inverse is also true and sometimes if you are too close you view can be askew. Not saying that is true in this case, merely pointing out you have a clear side in the argument. (and it took me all of 1 minute to find that thread through search so no really effort on my behalf)
Also it's entirely possible to make a judgment call in regards to someone's personality as it relates to football by observing their behavior around a club. And this extends to all things in life, plenty of people are nice people but have a warped perspective of their role in things (whether at clubs, at work, in relationships etc). Once again not saying this is Carroll as I know nothing about him, I was just pointing out that someone (slugger) made the comment about him and his parents soon after he was drafted an entire year before ant made his comments.
Given your link to the family and response in the thread I referenced you can hardly claim a neutral standpoint, and given ants assessment was very close to that of sluggers (and I doubt ant knew about that post so that is two separate sources a year apart) it simply makes one think is all.
Nothing more, nothing less. (for what it's worth I wish him the best of luck)
No drama's.
I have nothing against Ants either.
I wonder what young guns are gonna take those spots...
Stupid question: You think Knights might put 1 or 2 'oldies' on the list for backup? :eek: