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joshhem
21 Feb 2001, 17:15
Come on guys stop your wineing!! Complaining about every thing and anything!!!!!!!!!!!
GET OVER THE NAME!!!! GET OVER THE MODERATOR!! GET OVER BLUEY!! GET OVER EVERYTHING!!!!
lioness
21 Feb 2001, 19:20
Oh yes I forgot, for most of us here, things don't go beyond mindless posts and fake net parties. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif it's called having an opinion, don't like it, don't read the threads!!!!!!!! There's nothing wrong with asking questions, surely??? http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif
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[This message has been edited by lioness22 (edited 20 February 2001).]
Well joshem, it's good to see you're not letting all of this BigFooty stuff get to you. I'm glad of that too. Otherwise, someone might have to put you back in your box with a big GET OVER IT!!!! Luckily, we don't need to do that.
One thing I've been wondering though. Since Danni has had her crack down, err, I mean has had a crack down on nonsense posts, you seem to have been a little bit subdued. A little bit quiet is what I mean. What I'm saying is, that you haven't had much to say, over the last few days. In other words, since nonsense posts have been on the outer, you contribution ratio has spilled down the spout. (I'm sorry if I haven't made myself clear here - I'm having one of those days).
However joshem, I'm glad to see that you not having a whinge here. No complaints from you joshem. ("What a good boy he is" can now be heard as a reverberating sound through the collective houses of BigFooty contributors - especially those on the "Brisbane Board").
It's good to know that you're 100% behind what people post on here. Because, you know what? I can't stand hypocrits! Just imagine, (it's easy if you try), that in one given week, if a certain person was to have filled up the entire BigFooty "Brisbane Board" with nonsense posts, much to the chagrin of other users. Yet then, in the very next week that same person was to have started complaining about other people's posts. What a hypocrit that person would be! I'm glad, for your sake and ours, joshem, that you DON'T fall into this category.
FunkyBlue
22 Feb 2001, 19:47
I'd have to agree with Joshem on this one.
You spend so much time and energy concentrating on the things that you DON'T have.... why not put a little thought into what you DO have. If it wasn't for the merger Olmy, where would your beloved Fitzroy be now??
lioness
22 Feb 2001, 20:13
Olmy likes to stir things up a bit, have his say. Why should he make apologies for that? I think it's kinda fun. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif
*****The Official Olmy CheerSquad*****
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Originally posted by FunkyBlue:
I'd have to agree with Joshem on this one.
You spend so much time and energy concentrating on the things that you DON'T have.... why not put a little thought into what you DO have. If it wasn't for the merger Olmy, where would your beloved Fitzroy be now??
FunkyBlue, thanks for your input. Albeit misuided, I am still happy to put at rest any niggling worries that you have about my postings. I know how these niggling worries can be for some people. People like myself, come onto forums and blaggamouth all around the place, and some people just take things soooooo seriously . . . .
Anyway, where was I?
FunkyBlue (are you a Carlton supporter by any chance?), if you read what I say, you will find that I am extremely postive about the Brisbane Lions. In fact, people who know me, know of the things I have been involved in (such as the VLSG, running my own Lions based fanzine, etc. etc.).
True, I do think they could do 'some' things differently - but isn't that the same for everyone? I mean, look at what people said about the AGM (ie: those who had the good fortune of being able to attend).
I don't think my comments about the club are any different to anyone elses.
Apart from that, I have been a full member for the last 3 years. If people perceive me as being negative, then they should also see the dent done in my bank balance after paying for annual membership!
If people don't like what I say, it's not my problem! I'm not out to make comments just to be popular on BigFooty!
Is that fair enough with people on here?
[This message has been edited by Olmy (edited 22 February 2001).]
At any rate, joshem's little outburst was about comments that I made about BigFooty. Not about the Lions.
Big Marsh
23 Feb 2001, 15:26
Originally posted by joshhem:
Come on guys stop your wineing!! Complaining about every thing and anything!!!!!!!!!!!
GET OVER THE NAME!!!! GET OVER THE MODERATOR!! GET OVER BLUEY!! GET OVER EVERYTHING!!!!
Hey does the statement, "Go and have a cry to mummy" have an association with any of this? http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
FunkyBlue
23 Feb 2001, 21:23
FunkyBlue (are you a Carlton supporter by any chance?),
No Olmy, I am not a Carlton supporter, I was a member of the "Bears for 2 years, waived my membership the year of the merger (yes, I too was disheartened by it) and have since been a full member of the Lions, including this year)
if you read what I say, you will find that I am extremely postive about the Brisbane Lions.
Extremely positive?? Oh boy! I'd hate to see you in a negative frame of mind
In fact, people who know me, know of the things I have been involved in (such as the VLSG, running my own Lions based fanzine, etc. etc.).
I commend your committment to the VLSG, The Lions, Colburg-Fitzroy and all the other things you are associated with, three cheers for you Olmy.....seriously.
True, I do think they could do 'some' things differently - but isn't that the same for everyone? I mean, look at what people said about the AGM (ie: those who had the good fortune of being able to attend).
Some things?? oh puh-lease. Nothing would stop you from bleeting except time itself being reversed and the whole ugly merger being wiped from the history pages.
Apart from that, I have been a full member for the last 3 years. If people perceive me as being negative, then they should also see the dent done in my bank balance after paying for annual membership!
I don't think your bank balance has anything to do with how people should perceive you, after all, there are thousands of folks out there who have dug deep to pay for memberships.
If people don't like what I say, it's not my problem! I'm not out to make comments just to be popular on BigFooty!
Trying to be popular has nothing to do with it. I actually think you're quite an intelligent young man who does have alot to say, a little too much to say at times and a little too opinionated (at times). I sympathize with your loss of your team at AFL level, but as you keep reminding everybody, Fitzroy Football Club still exsists as a seperate entity, so all is not completely lost.
As for the moderator issue, I think Danni is an excellent choice. Her posts are always nonbias. She's someone who has come to terms with the merger and supports our team 110%. She looks towards the FUTURE of the club, not the "what could have been" and the "what ifs". She has her finger on the pulse of what happening at the Lions HQ and has always kept us informed, whether it be here on on the Lions forum. She's an excellent choice. I think the only reason you might object to Danni self appointed moderator roll, is that you didn't think of going to Bluey first and putting your name forward.
Speaking of Bluey and badgering him about changing the name of the "Brisbane Board", give the poor bloke a break! I can't understand the reasoning behind you being so adamant that the name be changed to the "Brisbane Lions Board". Ever heard "Would a rose, by any other name, smell as sweet?" Whether it's "Brisbane" "The Lions" or "The Brisbane Lions" they are still OUR team.
And the reason I added to this post the first time is because it would have taken me a week to reply to each and every topic that you've posted. I thought this pretty much summed it up. I apologize for not being clear and consiece about where I was coming from the first time around.
FunkyBlue
23 Feb 2001, 21:25
I think that about said it all....lol
Geeze, I did pretty good, that post was almost as long as one of Olmy's...
sbagman
23 Feb 2001, 23:00
Funky Blue,
I will not be so eloquant as Olmy.
Geez, proud of yourself are ya? ********. You look like a fool with what you've posted. Not only have you no idea about what Olmy's talking about, you can't understand his humour either!
Piss off. And lay off Olmy, his heart is in the right place.
FunkyBlue
24 Feb 2001, 09:34
Originally posted by sbagman:
Funky Blue,
I will not be so eloquant as Olmy.
Geez, proud of yourself are ya? ********. You look like a fool with what you've posted. Not only have you no idea about what Olmy's talking about, you can't understand his humour either!
Piss off. And lay off Olmy, his heart is in the right place.
Proud of myself? What on earth gave you that idea? All I was doing was expressing my opinion, which is obviously ok for some people to do, but not ok for others.
I'm not arguing that Olmy's heart isn't in the right place, I commend him for his continual support of the Lions at ALL levels. As for there being "humour" behind his posts, Olmy must have a very dry sense of humor which incorporates a slight bit of sarcasm. I must have missed the "humour" side of such posts as "Brisbane (insert obligatory nickname here) have a good win!!!" in which the Lions were called the Brisbane Monkeys. I'm sorry if I don't find this amusing. To me it appeared to be bitterness over the naming of this particular board, no matter how tongue in cheek it was.
As for my previous post not making any sense to you, I'll be sure to use words like "********" and "piss off" in my future post, just so you can grasp the concept of what I'm saying.
Originally posted by FunkyBlue:
Trying to be popular has nothing to do with it. I actually think you're quite an intelligent young man who does have alot to say, a little too much to say at times and a little too opinionated (at times).
As for the moderator issue, I think Danni is an excellent choice. Her posts are always nonbias. She's someone who has come to terms with the merger and supports our team 110%. She looks towards the FUTURE of the club, not the "what could have been" and the "what ifs". She has her finger on the pulse of what happening at the Lions HQ and has always kept us informed, whether it be here on on the Lions forum. She's an excellent choice. I think the only reason you might object to Danni self appointed moderator roll, is that you didn't think of going to Bluey first and putting your name forward.
Speaking of Bluey and badgering him about changing the name of the "Brisbane Board", give the poor bloke a break! I can't understand the reasoning behind you being so adamant that the name be changed to the "Brisbane Lions Board". Ever heard "Would a rose, by any other name, smell as sweet?" Whether it's "Brisbane" "The Lions" or "The Brisbane Lions" they are still OUR team.
FunkyBlue. I'll give you $100 if you can find any comment that I've made, and been serious about, where I've objected to Danni being the moderator.
You've got your wires crossed on that one. In fact, your imagining things!!!
I don't care who the moderator is, as long as they do a good job. If you're saying that Danni put in a request for the job, then that's fine. Albeit, there was supposed to be some "discussion" on the topic. But . . . it doesn't really bother me. This is only a website after all. You're assuming that I was after the job, aren't you? I never said I was.
As for Danni looking towards the future of our club - well . . . if you read what I say, so do I! Just because I have a different opinion on how things could be done, doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Even Danni herself has commented that my suggestions are those which are foresighted, rather than hindsighted. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Danni yourself.
I'm wondering just where you can point out where I've been on a tangent of "what if's" and "what could have been's".
The reason why you are sticking up for Danni, and having a go at me, is because you know Danni personally, or have at least met her, whereas neither of us have had the pleasure of meeting each other yet.
FunkyBlue, first you say I'm an intelligent person, but then you say that sometimes I have too much to say. Well, I'm afraid that both go hand in hand.
If someone has something worthwile to say, then they should say it! I don't (seriously) proclaim to be correct all of the time, and I'm willing to debate things, issues about our club (which is more than what some people on this board do). I'm grateful that there are people who respond to such topics - whether I agree with them or not.
As for being passionate about the board being renamed as "Brisbane Lions Board", well, why shouldn't I be? And to say, "get off Bluey's back", well, tell me, how hard can it be to change ONE word? ONE word. After all, sure, he's the moderator, but it's the contributors who make this site what it is. Therefore, if the contributors have a reasonable request, then it should be seriously considered - otherwise, contributions might start dropping off. Hardly something Bluey wants, is it? My request is not unreasonable, and others have also requested it (same goes for the Fitzroy Board).
Make that 2 beers, Sbagman!
Originally posted by Olmy:
The reason why you are sticking up for Danni, and having a go at me, is because you know Danni personally, or have at least met her, whereas neither of us have had the pleasure of meeting each other yet.
LOL Olmy - I have no idea who FunkyBlue is! So the 2mins I saw you in the Albion Charles in 99 probably means that you and I have a better acquaintance then I do with FunkyBlue!
Unless of course I do know FunkyBlue. FunkyBlue do I know you???
That's it Danni. Not personally knowing one of the contributors to the "Brisbane Lions Board" is the type of short-coming that could see you sacked as Moderator. You'd better sort it out quick, or else . . .
I know Olmy - I better start maxing out the Visa Card and travelling all over the country meeting and greeting all the bigfooty contributors!
sbagman
24 Feb 2001, 16:18
Originally posted by FunkyBlue:
I think that about said it all....lol
Geeze, I did pretty good, that post was almost as long as one of Olmy's...
Would implicate pride, would it not? Yes it was as long as one Olmy's... but doesn't have one tenth of the content or wit.
sbagman
24 Feb 2001, 16:20
Originally posted by FunkyBlue:
If it wasn't for the merger Olmy, where would your beloved Fitzroy be now??
These sort of comments are the ones that get former Fitzroy fan's ire up.
sbagman
24 Feb 2001, 16:28
Originally posted by FunkyBlue:
Proud of myself? What on earth gave you that idea? All I was doing was expressing my opinion, which is obviously ok for some people to do, but not ok for others.
I'm not arguing that Olmy's heart isn't in the right place, I commend him for his continual support of the Lions at ALL levels. As for there being "humour" behind his posts, Olmy must have a very dry sense of humor which incorporates a slight bit of sarcasm. I must have missed the "humour" side of such posts as "Brisbane (insert obligatory nickname here) have a good win!!!" in which the Lions were called the Brisbane Monkeys. I'm sorry if I don't find this amusing. To me it appeared to be bitterness over the naming of this particular board, no matter how tongue in cheek it was.
As for my previous post not making any sense to you, I'll be sure to use words like "********" and "piss off" in my future post, just so you can grasp the concept of what I'm saying.
1. You are entitled to post whatever you like, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. My opinion was that (a) you do not understand what Olmy is on about, and (b) you do not understand the humour in his posts in this thread.
2. I have to say, I think if people like Olmy don't stand up for the Fitzroy side of things, who will? If people don't, who will remember why they are called the Lions and why the song and guernsey are the way they are, in 50 years time? I think that Fitzroy fans fear that our past is being used to ensure a Brisbane future. "Brisbane Lions" board is appropriate, to reflect that the team is the result of a merger. Give us something, please. And I thought the way Olmy argues his points is usually clever and rarely abusive.
3. Your previous post DID make sense to me, but I apologise unreservedly for the poor use of language. I guess when its late after a bad day at work, my grip on the English language loosens a little. Not that that's any excuse. I apologise. I think these topics are very important to Brisbane Lions FC and I do hope I manage to support them, so I would like to discuss these topics as rationally as possible.
Cheers,
Sbagman.
PS. I want a slab now, Olmy.
lioness
24 Feb 2001, 20:56
sbagman, that wins post of the year!!!!!! Hell, I'LL buy you a slab!!!!!!! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif SO well-put.....and I used my 900th post to respond to it. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif YAY!!!!!!!!
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sbagman
24 Feb 2001, 21:26
Cheers Lioness! But post of the year? I think that's a little overboard.
But thanks for the compliment anyway.
I'm sure Lions fans will find a way through this. Five years isn't really that long when you consider Fitzroy's history was over 100 years. It takes time.
lioness
24 Feb 2001, 22:43
Never doubt the lioness, if I say it's post of the year, then it is!!!!!!! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I agree, it is gonna take some time, I have followed the Brisbane Lions right from the start, but I still miss my Roys, quite a lot sometimes. And I agree 100%, the Fitzroy Football Club HAS to be remembered, we HAVE to show people what we once had. Fitzroy will never die anyway, never. Not as long as my heart beats anyway.
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sbagman
24 Feb 2001, 23:20
umm... so about this slab.... I am partial to Coopers (the one with the red lable... I can't remember, I think its original, I haven't been in Australia for that long....). Will you be giving it to me in Melbourne or Brisbane?
lioness
24 Feb 2001, 23:29
Melbourne I hope, I probably won't get to Brisbane this year as much as I hope to, I have a visa and plane ticket to help pay for (a VERY worthy cause http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif) so yeah, get down here and have a beer with us will ya. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif You don't have to share the slab http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/wink.gif hehehe
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sbagman
24 Feb 2001, 23:31
Melbourne it is then. I should be there in either May or June for a long weekend, depending on airfare prices.... and I'm willing to share the slab!
lioness
25 Feb 2001, 09:56
Excellent!!!!!! http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Then we'll definitely have to catch up!!!!!!! If my man is here by then, I know he'll wanna meet you too. http://www.bigfooty.com/ubb/smile.gif I think you were one of the first people he met in footy chat, lol.
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Sbagman, you might have to make the trip down here for the beers, mate! Coopers Original Ale is the one with the red label.
Cheers.
Originally posted by FunkyBlue:
As for there being "humour" behind his posts, Olmy must have a very dry sense of humor which incorporates a slight bit of sarcasm. I must have missed the "humour" side of such posts as "Brisbane (insert obligatory nickname here) have a good win!!!" in which the Lions were called the Brisbane Monkeys. I'm sorry if I don't find this amusing. To me it appeared to be bitterness over the naming of this particular board, no matter how tongue in cheek it was.
FunkyBlue, I don't see how I could be 'bitter' over the naming of the board. Perhaps a triffle puzzled, but not bitter. This is only a website after all.
If you were to say that I am bitter in regards to the way in which the media write and report about our club, then perhaps that would be a more accurate statement However, I don't classify myself as a bitter person. In fact, I see issues such as these, as a chance to either become "bitter or better".
As far as I can see, I am striving for the Brisbane Lions to become BETTER, rather than merely becoming bitter over the events.
One thing that does annoy me though, is that whenever a Fitzroy person has something to say, it is always perceived as whinging, griping, bitching and whatever other adjective you wish to add etc, etc. This is not the case. If people actually take the time to read what Fitzroy supporters say, you'll find that a lot of us do actually have good ideas and suggestions that they could contribute to the club. Labelling these as comments whinges, bitches, etc., is not only alienating, but also very annoying. One thing is sure, people don't feel welcome at a club where their ideas are constantly disregarded, or where they are alienated because of certain beliefs/ideas.
If my style of humour doesn't suit your taste, that's fine. Some people may get it, others may not. I don't claim to be a great humourist, however, some of the best comedics only ever have cult followings. I don't write just to appease the masses.
Originally posted by Olmy:
One thing that does annoy me though, is that whenever a Fitzroy person has something to say, it is always perceived as whinging, griping, bitching and whatever other adjective you wish to add etc, etc. This is not the case. If people actually take the time to read what Fitzroy supporters say, you'll find that a lot of us do actually have good ideas and suggestions that they could contribute to the club. Labelling these as comments whinges, bitches, etc., is not only alienating, but also very annoying. One thing is sure, people don't feel welcome at a club where their ideas are constantly disregarded, or where they are alienated because of certain beliefs/ideas.
Olmy something that seems to be more of a reality rather than a possiblity, is the reason those comments are perceived in that way.
More often than not, those posts are asking for something more, when 99% of the AFL population know it isn't going to happen. Now I don't mean in anyway that ppl don't have the right to ask for it......it is when it is repeatedly asked for that people become annoyed. It is born out of frustration, obviously on both sides...one side frustrated as they want something.....and the rest of the world sick of hearing about it.
My personal views on the matter are quite clear.....even on this board in the last couple of days.....it has been shown again that some people don't value the new history of the Brisane Lions as it doesnt' compare to the 100 year history of Fitzroy.
And another perception of mine is that whenever the Bears are mentioned it is laughed off.....as we only had a 10 year history instead of a 100 year history....and however sarcastic or in jest comments may be....calling the current Lions the Bears is offensive.....to me an many others.
To see people bagged for saying "and where would your beloved Fitzroy be without the merger?" can be infuriating as well as at the same time we agree with the the response given. This is such an emotional situation Olmy.....and it is true.....where would they be?....tho I am sure it could have been put more eloquently in the original post.
One thing I have noticed tho - is that esepcially in the last 6 months - you have become very vocal on the Fitzroy issue - much more than you were 18 months ago.....why is that?
Appreciation of what is still there is the name of the game these days.....what's gone is gone....it isn't coming back....for BOTH teams......so isn't it time to stop the stirring? the divisions?? and move forward to a common goal?? To let us be who we are today and not argue over the what we were, what we miss and how much we want back? Time to accept what the powers that be have done (even the name of this board)! we can't change it - tho we can whinge and bitch and alienate even more ppl. Not the desired outcome I would think.
As harsh as it may sound - the fact that Fiztroy had a 100 year history compared to the Bears 10 year history is irrelevant when it comes to the Brisbane Lions....there shouldnt' be any of those sort of comparisons....they are unfair....highly emotional....and divisive. We don't need that...we need to remember fondly....support what we have now....and move forward.
Originally posted by Olmy:
As far as I can see, I am striving for the Brisbane Lions to become BETTER, rather than merely becoming bitter over the events.
One thing that does annoy me though, is that whenever a Fitzroy person has something to say, it is always perceived as whinging, griping, bitching and whatever other adjective you wish to add etc, etc. This is not the case. If people actually take the time to read what Fitzroy supporters say, you'll find that a lot of us do actually have good ideas and suggestions that they could contribute to the club. Labelling these as comments whinges, bitches, etc., is not only alienating, but also very annoying. One thing is sure, people don't feel welcome at a club where their ideas are constantly disregarded, or where they are alienated because of certain beliefs/ideas.
Danni, in quoting myself, I think that sums it up. I don't say that's the case for every Fitzroy supporter - but why do you want to focus on the negatives, rather than the positives? As far as I can tell, you are blowing things way out of proportion with this "Fitzroy people anti-Brisbane, anti-Bears" stuff. If anything, that's what I will fight on the internet! (Not that I 'really' care what people say on the internet . . .).
And I'll tell you, it is bloody annoying when someone comes along and say "where would the Roys be now without the merger?".
Where would the Bears be, Danni? Probably still a club which the AFL regarded as its outhouse in the north (and I'm not saying that to be insultive - just saying it how I see it).
Sure, the Roys would probably be no more if there were no merger, either that or we'd be with North. However, is it worth contemplating? To me, saying "where would the Roys be had there been no merger" is nothing but a BULLSHIT COP OUT comment (just as much so as the anti-Brisbane comments that you dislike), that someone lets fly with when they have been backed into a corner with a well reasoned comment. And I don't apologise for that assessment either (although I'm not making any judgements, mind you).
After all, on one hand Danni, you say "enough of 'what-ifs'", but then the same people who say that do it themselves!!! Unbelievable!!!
As you know Danni, I am talking about the here and now. My suggestions revolve around making this club better now, and for the future. There are things that I resent regarding the way the merger was handled, and also regarding the AFL. I don't apologise for that either - however, I hardly regard myself as bitter. I am not dwelling on these issues, despite the fact that I acknowledge that they happened.
My 'stance' on Fitzroy has not changed in the last 6, 12, 18, 24, or 48 months.
[This message has been edited by Olmy (edited 24 February 2001).]
Olmy I am certainly not backed into a corner and I was referring to when someone else said it.....as I said - it may not have been said in the best way - but all the same whether it is offensive or not - it has a great ring of truth.....
And fortunately your 'what if' was blown away in that last season for the Bears...making the Prelim, the year after making the finals for the first ever time, and having a Brownlow medalist that same year ...... relieved us of that 'joke' tag.....but once again - you have attacked the Bears in the defense of Fitzroy.....why is that????
That is what I dont' understand!
And yes I have read your other topic.....however whether or not your position/opinion has changed is not an issue....what I said is that you are now more vocal about it now than you where then.
I am certainly not prone to 'what if's' as that is all I have left of the Bears....and I would rather concerntrate on the Brisbane Lions rather than the 'what if's' of the Bears....
Just cause you dont' like what I say....doesn't make me wrong.
Danni, I never said you were wrong! However, it seems that whenever I make a comment on here people are quick to point out that they think I'm wrong - just because they don't agree.
And the comment about the Bears was not an attack. It was a reasoned assessment of where the club was at. It is just as reasonable for me to say that Fitzroy were the basketcase of the AFL in the last few year up until 96. They were a joke on the AFL's scale of clubs. I don't like to say that - and I could go on about how the AFL were the ones who put us in that position too. Sure, those comments aren't nice to read, but they are well reasoned assessments. Not attacks. If people can't handle those facts, then they've got their heads in the sand.
So cut this nonsense about me "whinging" or "attacking the Bears"! It's a load of CRAP!!!!
Anyway, I never said that you made that comment regarding "what if the Roys hadn't merged". I was merely making a comment on it, as someone had used that line themselves in an earlier post, and you had also commented on it.
And to say that one season in '96, making the prelim. blows my comment about the Bears being the "AFL's toy" out of the water is ridiculous. If you're talking one season, then I'm sure we could all name one season in the history of any club just to support our cause.
Hey! Going on that logic you could mount a case for St.Kilda and Footscray being the most successful sides in the history of the game!!!!
Olmy - Possibly your continuous demonstrative state on many issues - such as the name of this board - gives people that impression?
Olmy - how much more do you want to continue this? how many more people do you want to alienate???
What are you on about Danni? What are you justifying these claims on? Where have I alienated anyone? As I see it, it is the opposite situation that is occuring.
And to say "how long are you going to keep this up?" - well, you're the one who keeps on replying and asking silly questions! Anyway, the very tone of that line gives the impression that I'm doing something wrong, which I am clearly not. I am only expressing my opinion, and if people cannot handle that (and even if you go as far as to ban me from the site, or delete my posts that you don't like), then it is not saying much for the cause of open-mindedness, or reasonable discussion.
If you don't like my comments, that's fine! You're the one buying into this discussion by your failure to reasonably assess what I am saying. Or is that just my perception of what you are doing?
And as far as the name of this board goes, well, why the hell can't I request that the name of the board is changed? It's not an unreasonable request, is it?
I'm not asking for it to be called the Fitzroy Board, not even the Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy Football Club Ltd Board. I am asking for it to be called the Brisbane Lions Board. After all, that is who I support in the AFL. The Brisbane Lions. It's only one word that has to be added. How hard can it be?
If you don't like it, fair enough. I don't care what you perceive about it, as your perception could possibly be wrong anyway.
Just because you, and a few others might take a knife to what I say, does not mean I am alienating anyone.
You seem to think that this board, and this entire site is just here for the sole purpose of your own entertainment!
I mean, your response to the whole issue of a Fitzroy Board was virtually based around "it will be a personal inconvenienve for me (Danni) to see the old re-hashed arguments of Fitzroy supporters and I can't handle it anymore so I'm going to mention that I am working in the election this week and Pauline Hanson is pulling faces at me through the window, and oh God no, don't tell me she's wearing a Fitzroy jumper because it might actually help the Fitzroy Board cause on BigFooty, and we all know that personally I am sick of hearing all these old re-hased arguments and I don't care if my opinion affects others Danni O'Hanlon". (Well, it was something like that, wasn't it?).
My views are NOT alienating anyone! Just because you say they are means nothing. That's only a perception, and others will chose to agree or disagree. Just as they will with my comments. I could quite easily justify that you are being prejudiced (ie: your reactions to my comments are sometimes/often negative and reactionary, not to mention the constant badgering that has been typified by this very topic alone! It's not like as if you have to reply to all of my comments, Danni!).
But at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their opinion. (Sorry, had to put that one in!).
Get a grip on reality Olmy - that is a very insulting and offensive post, and way out of order.
You have just shown to me something that I have previously defended you on. The fact that you 'must always be right'...I have previously defended that and said that wasn't your intention at all, obviously I was wrong.
lioness
25 Feb 2001, 16:24
Danni - I happen to agree with every single point Olmy has raised on here, regarding the renaming of the board, all of that stuff. I understand every word he is saying, and I know exactly where he is coming from. And so do others, we just put things in a different way. Less-confronting I guess.
We still love our Roys. In a small way, we are a little biased. Always will be. But Danni, so are you. You will never fully understand our side of it, and maybe we will never understand yours. But see, for us, this whole idea of keeping the memory of Fitzroy alive has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Brisbane Lions. The Fitzroy Football Club as we knew it, and as generations knew it, is gone forever. It is for the 100-odd years of supporters, players, etc etc that we will do everything we, the ones who were proud supporters of the club to its last days as an AFL club, possibly can to make sure that when we are gone, the club's memory will be a hell of a lot more than just a name in some history books. Fitzroy still exists, and I believe, will come back in a big way as soon as the appropriate opportunity arises.
That, for me, is totally seperate from my passion for the Brisbane Lions. Which is why I support the Fitzroy board idea, for as long as we have to post our Fitzroy-based topics here, it holds things back. THAT is why we want our own board. To remember our Roys and to let people know what is still on offer, without having to mix it with the Brisbane Lions, which as I said, is an equal but totally different passion for me.
In closing, I would like to make a statement to everyone here, I support entirely the comments of Olmy, Roylion, FitzroyRamone, Mobbenfuhrer and others who are seen as 'whingers' etc by others. None of us are whinging. We just want more for our team/s (as the case may be).
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Olmy,
That was totally uncalled for. That attack on Danni appeared to be personal and in part irrational.
Danni and Bluey, please get rid of this toss pot.
Many of the constantly stirring Fitzroy supporters take notice.
Many people don't like your offensive remarks about our club, we are the Brisbane Lions not the Fitzroy Lions. You dimwits should be eternally thankful towards Brisbane, as they saved your club from disappearing off the face of the Earth, to this day no-one knows what Noel Gordon was thinking on that night.
If the Brisbane Bears hadn't merged with Fitzroy, Fitzroy would of gone under, the AFL and the clubs were never going to accept North Melbourne's ridiculous proposal.
Think of it this way, you had 36 or so duds on your list and weren't going to survive to the end of 1996.
Since the merger the form of the team has been erratic, and it was only some deep soul searching at the end of 98 that yanked us of the bottom of the ladder ( still warm from Fitzroy's continual presence their).
The Bears were a team on the RISE not a continual DEMISE.
FITZROY WERE A SHAMBLES CLUB, THEY WOULD NOT OF SURVIVED IN THE OODANDATTA THIRDS LET ALONE THE AFL.
Now how does that feel nimrods, that is what it is like being an ex-Bears supporter, continually slagged on by the ravenous Fitzroy people on this board.
Get a life and let go.
brissy_lionsgal
25 Feb 2001, 18:16
Look everyone, stop arguing, Olmy's a Victorian. I mean he knows everything about football.
Danni, people like you and me should just shut up. What do we know. We are only Queenlanders.
Wake up and smell the linoment, if you're not from Victoria, you don't count.
Mobbenfuhrer
25 Feb 2001, 19:31
*prods self*
Nope.
A bit too thick-skinned to feel those barbs, Homer :P
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Hallowed be thy Roy
SpecialBruce
25 Feb 2001, 19:40
Originally posted by Homer:
Olmy,
That was totally uncalled for. That attack on Danni appeared to be personal and in part irrational.
Danni and Bluey, please get rid of this toss pot.
Olmy a toss pot? MY ARSE! Olmy has as much right to post on this board like anyone else. If you don't like these posts of his then ignore him. Olmy is right in this situation and I'm agreeing with all that he has said and backing him all the way. If Olmy goes then so do I
End of story.
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Go Hoppers!!
Brucie - thought you and your friends were disappearing for a couple of years??? isn't that what you said???
SpecialBruce
25 Feb 2001, 19:46
Just accept what Olmy is saying for crying out loud. He is ultimately the more intelligent poster on this board and the Brisbane "LIONS" forum.
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Go Hoppers!!
brissy_lionsgal
25 Feb 2001, 19:50
He has the right to his opinion, the same as everyone else. But just because we accept what he says, doesn't mean we have to agree.
Some of us are able to form our own opinions, unlike others.
brissy_lionsgal
25 Feb 2001, 20:00
Originally posted by SpecialBruce:
If you don't like these posts of his then ignore him.
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And as for just ignoring posts, why don't you take some of you own advice. I'm with Danni for this one.
lioness
25 Feb 2001, 20:36
Olmy's opinions are shared by many on here, including myself. But half of you are only seeing what you want to see in those posts. He's got an opinion, and shares it in a more confronting way than most, so he gets shot down continually by some who are missing his points. The board one is relevant. Our name is the Brisbane LIONS, there is nothing wrong with requesting that we are named properly. Some of you are saying the Bears get forgotten. Well how about you all get out there and start helping people remember, instead of sitting back and continually bagging us for trying to do the same. The Fitzroy board is essential, yet no one outside the Fitzroy faithful can see why. Why exactly are we suddenly dividing into the 'Roys' and 'Bears' camps??????? Can someone explain??????? Hell, we are all supporting the same club here!!!!!!!!!!!
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*the one and only lioness*
So I spend 7 hours trying to get my new computer to work, only to find out it was a bodgey cord, and what do I find??
A group of people with a chip on their shoulder. **** off the lot of you. Live for today. Or go the **** away.
Originally posted by lioness22:
Olmy's opinions are shared by many on here, including myself. But half of you are only seeing what you want to see in those posts. He's got an opinion, and shares it in a more confronting way than most, so he gets shot down continually by some who are missing his points.
Who Cares if you support him/her?? he/she is wrong! Betcha more people on here disagree but don't say it. They just don't wanna be blasted the way he/she just blasted "DANNI". How ****ing rude is that? What a ****ing crock!
The board one is relevant. Our name is the Brisbane LIONS, there is nothing wrong with requesting that we are named properly.
But there is something wrong with people that won't let go. Get a life you ********s, your demand got an answer, and it was was NO just like it should be, live with it, or **** off and whinge to someone else. Are you even remotely suggesting that ANYONE who comes to this board is gonna think it is the Brisbnae Bullets, or the Brisbane Broncos, or the Brisbane Tree Hugging Hippies? Or is it just you lot wanting to whinge and cause more trouble and have your own way?
Some of you are saying the Bears get forgotten. Well how about you all get out there and start helping people remember, instead of sitting back and continually bagging us for trying to do the same. The Fitzroy board is essential, yet no one outside the Fitzroy faithful can see why.
Course only the Fitzroy Faithful can see it - they are the only ones not benefitting yet from free pshycoanolytical treatments and free drugs from the Government. They suffer from accute delusion and superiority complex. NOT all of em mind you, only most of them on this message board.
Why exactly are we suddenly dividing into the 'Roys' and 'Bears' camps??????? Can someone explain??????? Hell, we are all supporting the same club here!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote of the year! And it is only February!
The reason people are dividing, is cause of people like you. You still dont' get it ?
It makes me sick! The only reason there is a Fitzroy Football Club for you to try and brag about is cause there was a merger. No merger, nothing left. SIMPLE FACT.
You wanna talk Fitzroy, do it for everyone, not your own selfserving anal seapages.
Live with who the club is now, or leave us the **** alone, we don't need any more shit or trouble makers.
FunkyBlue
26 Feb 2001, 00:31
Firstly I'd like to apologize to everyone in advance for this post being drawn out and long winded but there are a few things that I'd like to respond to.
Firstly, sbagman, thank you for your apology, though I doubt once you've finished reading this you'll wish you never gave it.
Secondly, Olmy, boy, where do I start? You have posted so many responses to mine, it's hard to know where to begin.
you said....
FunkyBlue, first you say I'm an intelligent person, but then you say that sometimes I have too much to say. Well, I'm afraid that both go hand in hand.
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No Olmy, that's where you're wrong, being intelligent and continuously having to express your opinion do not go hand in hand. If you believe that, well you're not as intelligent as I first percieved you to be.
you said.....
If someone has something worthwile to say, then they should say it!
......
I agree with you 100% there, but don't you think that it would be more appropriate to forward your ideas to someone who can do something about it instead of rehashing the same subjects over and over again on an internet web board, knowing that you may upset people?
you said in a post to Danni......
But at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Yes Olmy, everyone DOES have a right to their opinion. It's up to us to either accept it or not. This is where you fall sort. People like lioness22, sbagman and countless others no doubt do agree with, not so much, "accept" your opion. There are also countless others out there who's opinion differs from yours, yet you seem hell bent on persuading them that your right and they should see things from your point of view. This does not fit into the "everybody has a right to their own opinion" box. As Danni said "Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm wrong". You seem to arc up whenever anybody questions these opions of yours. You expect people to understand where you're coming from, yet you don't show other people the common curtesy.
and finally....
you said.....
If people actually take the time to read what Fitzroy supporters say, you'll find that a lot of us do actually have good ideas and suggestions that they could contribute to the club
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Well,I took your advice and took a trip over to the Fitzroy board on egroups.com just to see what ideas and suggestions Fitzroy supporters had. I actually found it quite interesting.
Very little of it had to do with The Brisbane Lions, but then I guess it IS the Fitzroy message board.
I noticed that you haven't reposted any of your comments from here on the Fitzroy board. Why is that? Are you afraid that they aren't interested in talking about the The Brisbane Lions? Don't you think the subject of the Brisbane Lions is appropriate to talk about it on a Fitzroy board? You think that it may open old wounds?
I must admit, I particularly liked the message you posted pertaining to trying to increase the Victorian memberships for the Brisbane Lions ....hhhmmmm ....how'd it go again...
oh that's right
From:**p.olm@u...
Date:* Wed*Jan*31,*2001*6:30am
Subject:* Re: [roys] Bigfooty website.
While you're at it, join up as a member of the Brisbane Lions, even if it's
just as a armchair member.
The $30 alone is worth it, considering all the shite you get to stir up on the
forum as a Fitzroy supporter!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roys/message/1451
(just in case you think I'm making it up)
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I think that would have encouraged supporters in their droves.
It really blows your
" As far as I can tell, you are blowing things way out of proportion with this "Fitzroy people anti-Brisbane, anti-Bears" stuff. If anything, that's what I will fight on the internet!"
comment out of the water now doesn't it? If it is something you would fight, why encourage it? Telling Fitzroy supporters it's worth the $30 to lay shite on former Bears supporters to stir the pot, firstly doesn't, nothing more than implicate that Fiztroy supporters would be shallow enough to do such a thing (most I doubt would be), and secondly it doesn't help with the unification of our club. If this is your way of making OUR club "BETTER", well I'd rather YOU leave things alone. And I don't care HOW tongue in cheek it was meant to be!
Mobbenfuhrer
26 Feb 2001, 03:23
Funk Bunny,
Just one point, the roys@egroups board is now predominantly a Coburg Tigers messageboard. That would explain why the references to Brisbane Lions, and indeed to Fitzroy FC, are now a little thin on the ground.
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Hallowed be thy Roy
I have read this forum for ages, never wanting to participate.That changed last night.
A user getting nasty and personal, was a total shock.Especially when the person they abused had done nothing wrong.
Olmy,
I happen to think that you have a problem with authority. All of us hate to be told no, but we all have to accept it when it does happen.You seem to continue on until you get the answer you like.Maybe I am wrong.
Maybe this and the Brisbane Lions forum are not for you.
Most people here love the Brisbane Lions.Love all our history, are trying to understand the complexities of our history.
Want our club to survive into the future and thrive.
But... You say you do but then again are content on turning supporters against each other. Opening our healing wounds.
Please Olmy, can we ask that you let us all enjoy this forum.
Games over people.
You wanna get nasty, then take it elsewhere. Not here.
Having received feedback from users on this board, and users from other bigfooty boards, I am closing the thread.
[This message has been edited by Danni (edited 25 February 2001).]