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Ford Fairlane
5 Apr 2003, 23:12
as an honourable defeat, I guess I saw it tonight. Was really proud of the way the team stepped up in the face of adversity and did everything but take the game. Despite the injury to Zappa I think there's plenty to look forward to this year.
Wishinman
5 Apr 2003, 23:39
Port showed great character tonight, just hope they can sustain it for the year, especially without Francou...... hope our chances haven't just gone out the window.
We can cover all players apart from Tredrea, Francou and i would probably say Chad, and tonight we almost pulled it off against the second best team in the comp without 2 of them plus a half a dozen or so of our first choice players.
A few players really stood up for us tonight, and one in particular leaves me wondering what could have been last year had be been given more game time......Has really proven to be a big game player.
Looks like Salopek will be playing every game this year, and judging by some of his movements through heavy traffic tonight, may help cover Francou's absence......well, one can only hope.
Theres that Port Adelaide Creed again...honour in defeat
This time I have to agree with you.
Williams would of been proud of the way yous fought out the game.
Port were very gutsy in adversity. You'd have to be proud of their efforts.
Cr*p news about Francou, topped off with the injuries to Tredders and the C ockie.
I wish our mob had showed the same character that Port did tonight. We would have killed the Saints instead of getting done!!
Malcolm Blight always used to talk about the footy gods. If they exist, they certainly haven't smiled on Port yet this year.
Great effort by Port against the odds.
Get a couple back next week, lose a couple. If there is a God, he has a strange sense of humour. At quarter time, at half-time and even at three-quarter time I was thinking well, we may lose to the best team in the comp but we're turning the corner. Amd then I hear Zappa's out for the year and ****ie gets injured in his best game for some time.
It's really going to be necessary for people like Schoey, James, Kingers and Wilson to step up now. Thank god that Thurstans is proving right at home in defence.
I know this sounds hollow, but this effort by your boys may cause the creation of a new tradition, within this competition. You can't possibly have lost any admirers tonight.
Just one thing. Do South Australians have no prescience whatsoever, about when a great game of football is about to be played in their capital city?
Do the general populace actually LIKE football? If so, why the hell don't they turn up? Christ, even Brisbane has better crowds. This is something which has to be worked on, for the benefit of the whole competition.
Originally posted by skilts
Do the general populace actually LIKE football? If so, why the hell don't they turn up? Christ, even Brisbane has better crowds. This is something which has to be worked on, for the benefit of the whole competition.
27,876 is not a bad crowd in my books. For one thing Port is viewed with a hatred in South Australia that I doubt Collingwood could even match. Port Adelaide's unpopularity was strangely built on it's success, people just didn't like a team that won about a third of the premierships available. When the Crows came in they took their supporter base from 8 clubs, Port supporters are nearly all former Port Magpies supporters. And even though there are people who cannot get a Crows ticket, they would soner not go to the football than see a Port game.
But probably the main reason people stayed away was that it appeared we had no chance. And why not think that way, after all we had lost to the Eagles with a scoreless quarter and there were multiple senior players off injured or suspended. Sure, Brisbane get good crowds, who wouldn't want to see a guaranteed win?
And the replay is on 20-minute delay only. I go every week Port are in town but if I was less than totally driven, I might ask myself do I want to go to watch my team lose and arrive back home 5 hours later?
Leigh Roy
6 Apr 2003, 01:56
Originally posted by mic59
27,876 is not a bad crowd in my books. For one thing Port is viewed with a hatred in South Australia that I doubt Collingwood could even match. Port Adelaide's unpopularity was strangely built on it's success, people just didn't like a team that won about a third of the premierships available. When the Crows came in they took their supporter base from 8 clubs, Port supporters are nearly all former Port Magpies supporters. And even though there are people who cannot get a Crows ticket, they would soner not go to the football than see a Port game.
But probably the main reason people stayed away was that it appeared we had no chance. And why not think that way, after all we had lost to the Eagles with a scoreless quarter and there were multiple senior players off injured or suspended. Sure, Brisbane get good crowds, who wouldn't want to see a guaranteed win?
And the replay is on 20-minute delay only. I go every week Port are in town but if I was less than totally driven, I might ask myself do I want to go to watch my team lose and arrive back home 5 hours later?
This is off topic but South Australia needs to think about how the next (a bee's knee away from being the current I reckon) generation of SA folk view the two SA AFL teams and what their rivalry is all about.
'Dad, why do we not like that mob more than the other 15 clubs in the AFL?'
'Well son, it all goes back a bunch of business men in rich suits discussing how one league which became a premier league wanted to bring in other clubs from other states' leagues bloody bloody blah blah blaaaah'
I will not be boring my young'ins with that, our rivalry should be viewed in the same light as the 'great' rivalries ala Pies v Blues but funnily enough the thing that has the potential to hold this back are South Australians.
The rivalry between the Crows and the Power should be about their on-field matches instead of sour grapes held by whoever's old enough to remember the 80s and what happened to the VFL and SANFL.
You know when you've got words swirling around in your head and you see a good time to spill them out but aren't sure if they're coherent?
Well this is one of those moments. Carry on. And no this isn't a troll post to any state/club/etc.
dreamkillers
6 Apr 2003, 03:27
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
as an honourable defeat, I guess I saw it tonight. Was really proud of the way the team stepped up in the face of adversity and did everything but take the game. Despite the injury to Zappa I think there's plenty to look forward to this year.
Well I was quite proud of the boys tonight.........we didn't get the game 'live' until 10:00pm and I had heard the score halfway through the 1st quarter and then some ******** came up and said we're gone as Tredrea and Francou were out injured.
To play like we did in the second half was a great effort and against any other side would have bought up a win.
Whilst Francou's injury is devastating it also gives the chance for someone else to step up..........
After tonight's effort I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks as we get players back and turn things around after a slow start.........
Go Port........
dreamkillers
6 Apr 2003, 03:29
Originally posted by Leigh
The rivalry between the Crows and the Power should be about their on-field matches instead of sour grapes held by whoever's old enough to remember the 80s and what happened to the VFL and SANFL.
In time it will be...........the next generation of supporters of both clubs will hardly no about the old traditions.............
Leigh Roy
6 Apr 2003, 03:34
The picture quality was abysmal, one positive was Smallville was pretty good.
dreamkillers
6 Apr 2003, 03:39
Originally posted by Leigh
The picture quality was abysmal, one positive was Smallville was pretty good.
So were the $2.50 spirits all night out at the club.........:D
Leigh Roy
6 Apr 2003, 03:52
I'm all of a sudden wanting to have a little nap.
Mudholian
6 Apr 2003, 09:44
Originally posted by topjars
Theres that Port Adelaide Creed again...honour in defeat
This time I have to agree with you.
Williams would of been proud of the way yous fought out the game.
Well there you go jars coming onto the Port board and misquoting the creed.
Ther Creed is for the PAFC and you will respect it - that is, quote sentences in their entirety, in context, or go write your own.
I note though in your defense you seem to be developing glimmer of understanding about its true meaning, so perhaps there is hope for you yet.
Originally posted by Leigh
'Dad, why do we not like that mob more than the other 15 clubs in the AFL?'
'Well son, it all goes back a bunch of business men in rich suits discussing how one league which became a premier league wanted to bring in other clubs from other states' leagues bloody bloody blah blah blaaaah'
I will not be boring my young'ins with that, our rivalry should be viewed in the same light as the 'great' rivalries ala Pies v Blues but funnily enough the thing that has the potential to hold this back are South Australians.
The rivalry between the Crows and the Power should be about their on-field matches instead of sour grapes held by whoever's old enough to remember the 80s and what happened to the VFL and SANFL.
You know when you've got words swirling around in your head and you see a good time to spill them out but aren't sure if they're coherent?
Well this is one of those moments. Carry on. And no this isn't a troll post to any state/club/etc.
Business men in suits? Where was there ever any mention made of that? But the post needs to be read in its' context. I was telling skilts why our team is different to the Cows and like it or not that is nearly al SANFL reasons and resentment at the moment.
I was very pleased to see the side stand up last night with Francou gone and Tredrea off. For all that Brisbane were out of sorts, they wouldn't have stayed that way for long without the excellent pressure that every man on the field was exerting.
Thurstans was brilliant for a second gamer, and quite frankly, I'm in no hurry to get Wakelin back, as our current tall backs have better defensive instincts.
Brogan presented a good contest for the most part, and if he gets his own personal crumber pretty often, he'll be a good route to goal. While his marking style does see him outstretched a bit much, he's very obvious and thus more likely to get frees in those contests for infringements.
Salopek's half forward pressure was superb at one stage, forcing Brad Scott into an uncharacteristic error - it was good to see.
Most of the side seems to have learnt how to bump their opponents off the ball in the off-season! Especially out of bounds when the ball is alive - good play.
Francou's knee injury is certainly poorly timed for Josh, but that said, I'm pretty confident that the side will cope......Cochrane and Cornes being able to perform solid tagging roles (I hope they can keep it up) should free up Josh Carr to take on Francou's job.
Guerra in the back pocket = no more Luke Power. Good result.
Cassisi will clearly be the first dropped. On a night when most were lifting, he stayed around his usual level.
As for the crowd, its usually related to a) the local support for the opposition side and b) the likelihood of a good game that we'll win. Brisbane doesn't have a) and b) didn't look much of a chance to the casual observer. Next week will probably be bigger on both a) & b).
Ford Fairlane
6 Apr 2003, 13:26
Originally posted by Porthos
I was very pleased to see the side stand up last night with Francou gone and Tredrea off. For all that Brisbane were out of sorts, they wouldn't have stayed that way for long without the excellent pressure that every man on the field was exerting.
Thurstans was brilliant for a second gamer, and quite frankly, I'm in no hurry to get Wakelin back, as our current tall backs have better defensive instincts.
Brogan presented a good contest for the most part, and if he gets his own personal crumber pretty often, he'll be a good route to goal. While his marking style does see him outstretched a bit much, he's very obvious and thus more likely to get frees in those contests for infringements.
Salopek's half forward pressure was superb at one stage, forcing Brad Scott into an uncharacteristic error - it was good to see.
Most of the side seems to have learnt how to bump their opponents off the ball in the off-season! Especially out of bounds when the ball is alive - good play.
Francou's knee injury is certainly poorly timed for Josh, but that said, I'm pretty confident that the side will cope......Cochrane and Cornes being able to perform solid tagging roles (I hope they can keep it up) should free up Josh Carr to take on Francou's job.
Guerra in the back pocket = no more Luke Power. Good result.
Cassisi will clearly be the first dropped. On a night when most were lifting, he stayed around his usual level.
As for the crowd, its usually related to a) the local support for the opposition side and b) the likelihood of a good game that we'll win. Brisbane doesn't have a) and b) didn't look much of a chance to the casual observer. Next week will probably be bigger on both a) & b).
Excellent summary Porthos (and I'm not just saying that cos I agree with most of it). Brogan and Thurstans were terrific as were Cochrane and K Cornes in tagging roles. N Stevens and James really stepped up in Francou's absence. Primus was sensational (did anyone really think the new interpretations would hold him back?).
Interested in your Guerra comments. Iwas disappointed in his form most of the night (mostly around HF and on ball) but haven't watched the second half of the replay yet and obviously wasn't watching the match up with Power too closely. Clearly he caught your eye.
Salopek also gave off a good shepherd on S Burgoyne's second quarter goal (IIRC). Also thought S Burgoyne really stepped up too.
Cassisi for me was disappointing for the second week in a row. Schofield went well for Centrals (22 possies), I was impressed by what I saw of Chris Hall in the Port v South game (21 possies - seemed like more - almost all found a target). Borlace picked up 18 possies in the second half v Centrals at Elizabeth.
Originally posted by Porthos
Cassisi will clearly be the first dropped. On a night when most were lifting, he stayed around his usual level.
Was only given 30 minutes on the ground (according to the advertiser). Id like to see him get more time on the ground.
rubberman
6 Apr 2003, 22:40
Its all most not worth posting i n this thread, all the good stuff has already been said.
Some basic skill errors let Brisbane get some easy goals, and the same at the other end where some simple chances were sprayed. A lot of points kicked were under pressure, but a few were not and they are the chances that count.
I do not like to see players selling the ball before they have it. It results in simple marks being dropped and easy handball recieves being missed. I thought the same of last weeks game. A number of players were "butter fingers".
Other than that we showed good endevour in the contest. We never gave up and in many ways I thought we lost the game more than they won it. If you can understand that.
Originally posted by Macca19
Was only given 30 minutes on the ground (according to the advertiser). Id like to see him get more time on the ground.
Yeah, didnt think he was on much besides a little at the end of the 3rd and after Thurstans went off in the last (leaving us with no bench, great).
Didn't think he was too bad in the time he was on, we didn't lose a lot. Will still probably be first dropped, unless they want Salopek to develop a little more in the SANFL before putting his body through too much.
P0RT P0WER
6 Apr 2003, 23:50
Cassissi did struggle in my opinion when he was on, in our last dash forward in the dying minutes a kick out from defence that was kicked to the wing he did not show any desperation at trying to mark or spoil it resulting in a Brisbane mark, to me I don't think he reads the ball that well and doesn't go in hard enough and maybe needs a few weeks in the SANFL to get his confidence up.
I'd prefer Josh Carr to stay the in the face tagger and give James Francous role. He has shown before he has the skill and smartness Francou has and a few weeks with Primus in the centre he should be right.
Our midfield has a lot of depth and I think Nick Stevens may have turned the corner on sat night, he got better as the game went on and I think now that we have to keep him in the centre at all times.
Cassisi didn't get much game time, this is true, and its why I think he'll be first dropped. In his time on the field he didn't clearly show that he should've been on for longer.
Then again, with Che, Tredrea and Francou out and Schofield, Wakelin and Carr to come it, maybe no-one will be dropped by choice. Thurstans may be told to have a go at CHF though (which I don't think would be a great move)
As for Stevens' game....I wouldn't say he's turned the corner on the basis of that performance. He wasn't exactly under close attention last night, and thrives on that freedom, as did Lappin for Brisbane. No doubt he'll cop a Tallis or similar this week.
dreamkillers
7 Apr 2003, 01:06
Wakelin, Brogan or Paxman may also get a chance at CHF if Lade isn't promoted........
Brogan would already be pencilled in to swap with Primus at FF. We'll need two tall forward targets....Thurstans going with Rawlings at whichever end he plays could be a good matchup.
I'm tipping Wakelin might get an easy run back with the magpies if he plays this weekend.
Really I don't see much point in rushing him back from a back injury against a team missing its best 3 tall forwards, when Thurstans, Paxman and Bishop aren't being thrashed.
I'd guess Lade will be given another chance. Hopefully one day he will click.
Ford Fairlane
7 Apr 2003, 13:26
Why not try Morgan instead of Lade? He has a bit of pace, tall, well balanced - probably could try Cornes's role as the flanker while Cornes plays CHF with Brogan in the square. Playing Brogan and Lade across FF makes that line too slow and inflexible (moreso on Lade's part than Brogan's). Altho he kicked 5 on an undersized opponent on Saturday, Lade looked slow and cumbersome IMHO.
Morgan would be my pick too....but i cant see it happening.
On Cassisi I think he is a bit one-dimensional. He hasn't shown an ability to play up forward (Burgoyne and Salopek) and hasn't been given the opportunity to play defensively or tag for a game. He has good skills and as such has perhaps been pidgeon-holed as a midfielder. I'd like to see him get more of a shot in more varied positions and for longer. This is his time to step up.
Ford Fairlane
7 Apr 2003, 15:28
Originally posted by skilts
I know this sounds hollow, but this effort by your boys may cause the creation of a new tradition, within this competition. You can't possibly have lost any admirers tonight.
Foster Williams covered that base in the Creed as well ...
Also we know that should we, after striving to our utmost and giving our everything, still not be successful, our efforts will become a further part of this club's enviable tradition.
The flaw I find with Cassisi's game is that he plays like he doesn't think he deserves to be playing in the senior side.
I think he would do well if Choco gave him a bit of specific responsibility, rather than tack him onto the bench and tell him to fill in where needed a bit.
Originally posted by Porthos
The flaw I find with Cassisi's game is that he plays like he doesn't think he deserves to be playing in the senior side.
I think he would do well if Choco gave him a bit of specific responsibility, rather than tack him onto the bench and tell him to fill in where needed a bit.
I think you can add Guerra to that list.
I think Guerra's problem is the opposite. He thinks he deserves to be in the side, and stops trying so hard when he thinks he's in it.
Originally posted by Porthos
I think Guerra's problem is the opposite. He thinks he deserves to be in the side, and stops trying so hard when he thinks he's in it.
I disagree, because IMO most times he has had a specific job to do, he has done it fairly well. Whereas when he has played bits here and there, he has at times been nonexistent.
The one area I fault him on, after someone else pointed it out, is that he seems to give up the chase too easily at times.