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bipolarbeaR
8 Oct 2009, 22:35
I have been trying to figure out what my list would be if I was to play my favourite players.. turns out I cannot do it, for the first time in 4-5 years!
Even if Lloyd and Lucas were playing I am not sure I could find a spot for them :eek:
Full Back: Fletcher, Pears, Slattery
Half Back: McPhee, Hurley, Dempsey
Centre: McVeigh(susp.), Stanton, Prismall
Followers: Hille, Watson, Myers
Half Forward: Monfries, Gumbleton, Winderlich
Full Forward: M.Williams, Neagle, Davey
Bench: Ryder, Houli, Lovett-Murray(susp.), Reimers.....
So many good players not making the list, it's actually rediculous, and this isn't including everything we pick up from the draft *dreams of Tapscott*
Welsh, Hooker, Hocking.... I give up, I don't know who to take out or put in, good luck to the selectors, they are probably begging for a few injuries.:D
BringBackCransberg
8 Oct 2009, 23:20
To completely ignore the point of your OP: I like the new format for setting out the team (i.e. with the followers in the middle). I hope it catches on.
But good OP, too. Hooker would be pressuring McPhee, Hocking/Lonergan/Welsh pressuring Spike/Myers - just what the club needs.
Ludwig van Bertstare
8 Oct 2009, 23:24
Ryder's not suspended?
bipolarbeaR
8 Oct 2009, 23:42
Ryder's not suspended?
Haha, Edited, thank you RIG.
Yeah I dunno, always have put the followers in the middle of my lists, it just looks right for some reason, maybe because they are like that on the ground?:D
It's exciting times hey? Zaharakis is another one I am having trouble keeping out.
bombers2011
9 Oct 2009, 09:07
Ryder's not suspended?
NLM, Spike are suspended, Ryder isn't.. he's served his one match ban.
PS- That team has got me firming to say the least...
Flying_dutchman
9 Oct 2009, 09:22
Ricky Dyson say hello.
bomberstomake8
9 Oct 2009, 14:14
Ricky Dyson say hello.
same with NLM. People seem to ignore him but he had a fantastic finish to the year. His worst games have been when he has been forced to play as a key defender. Thanks to hurley, fletch, pears, even daniher and mcphee he will never be asked to play that role again... I would have him in my starting 18 either in defence or in the centre. he provides a lot of run, toughness and experience. A must imo
Edit: saw him on the bench, most seem to disregard him.
Just another note im not sure about Laycock's current injury situation but if he gets a full preseason in or close to I would very like him to be given the opportunity round 1. If this occurs I would line up with ryder at FF, neagle would have to miss. IMO if we go in with an attack featuring gumbelton, hurley, neagle and Hille (at times) it would be way too top heavy. Ryder can also apply a lot of ground pressure in addition to being great in the air
HF: Winderlich, Hurley, Monfries
FF: Williams, Ryder, Gumbelton
with Hille rucking and laycock providing support.
I think both hille and laycock could prove very dangerous down forward so when this occurs i would put winderlich into the midfield, gumbelton to play a lead up HF role and Hille/Laycock to go into the forward pocket.
Im really warming to mark williams i think he provides a lot more flexibility
Doubt Myers will start off in the best 22 next season. May push his way into it though (cue Kelvin). So Welsh in for him. Any chance of an draftee pushing his way into the line up?
Personally i have hooker CHB and Hurley CHF and no Gumby until he proves in preseason or VFL. However we all can agree great depth :D
Poor Darcy is going to struggle to break through unless he steps up big time unlucky as i thought he might get a go nearing the end of this year.
Knight Ryders
9 Oct 2009, 15:21
Counting down the minutes to knock off work, so I'll give this a crack:
FB: Fletcher Pears Slattery
HB: McPhee Hooker NLM
C: Dempsey Watson Winderlich
HF: Davey Gumbleton Monfries
FF: Williams Hurley Ryder
R: Hille Welsh McVeigh (susp.)
Bench: Dyson Myers Prismall Hocking
I see what you mean about trying to pick a team! There should be plenty of competition for spots which should hopefully be pushing the guys hard during the pre-season to get their crack at it. Blokes like Lonergan, Myers, Zaharakis, Hooker, Hocking, Houli, young Slattery, Neagle, Jetta and Daniher are going to have to bust a gut to make the first 22. You would think that NAB form is going to be pretty crucial. May be a smokey for the Pre-season cup with all the players pushing for spots. I doubt they will take the NAB cup easy.
FB: Dustbin-TP-Hank
HB: Demps-Hooks-Smokey
C: Winders-Watto(c)-Spike(susp)
HF: Gus-Hurls-Ryder
FF: Little Al-Neags-Willo
OB: Hilley-Woosha-Prizza
IB: Gumby-Dys-Remo-Stants
Colin D'Cops
9 Oct 2009, 15:46
Doubt Myers will start off in the best 22 next season.
If he can at the very least have a solid preseason; he'll be in the side.
Despite what many fans think on this forum, he has got plenty of talent and the coaching staff rate him highly.
This is great. Probably a couple of people are guranteed spots in the 22 rest will have to work hard for a spot.
I just think he will have a couple of games at Bendigo to start off with. If he starts off well he'll come in but for now I think Lonergan/Hocking will start off before him
Skeeta Olly
9 Oct 2009, 16:07
Surely he'll play in the NAB Cup (if he's not injured). That form will decide whether he'll get a gig come round 1.
jetta2davey
9 Oct 2009, 16:16
B: Fletcher Pears Mcveigh
HB: Dempsey Gumbleton Reimers
C: Winderlich Watson Stanton
HF: Monfries Hurley Davey
F: Williams Neagle Ryder
Followers: Hille Prismall Myers
Bench: Mcphee, Dyson, Houli, Atkinson
B: Lovett-Murray Pears McVeigh
HB: Dempsey Hooker Fletcher
C: Winderlich Watson Stanton
HF: Davey Gumbleton Reimers
F: Hille Hurley Williams
R: Ryder Welsh Prismall
IC: Monfries Atkinson McPhee Dyson
Emerg: Lonergan Hocking Neagle
Fitting everyone in is pretty hard. It seems like we'll need Myers to help Watson but sadly he's not good enough to fit in.
I cut out Slattery for Atkinson for pace seeing as we've lost Lovett and we'll be needing all the speed we can get to fill the void.
However it turns out I'm looking forward to seeing the team (hopefully for the first time in a while we can actually see these best 22s)
bipolarbeaR
9 Oct 2009, 17:09
Welsh should be in my team, I think he will re-capture his 2008 form and be the blanket little who racks it up.
donsman4eva
9 Oct 2009, 17:43
FB: Slattery, Pears, Fletcher
HB: Dempsey, Hurley, NLM
C: Winderlich, Watson, Dyson
HF: Ryder, Gumbleton, Monfries
FF: McVeigh, Neagle, Williams
Rucks: Hille, Stanton, Welsh
Bench: Prismall, Reimers, McPhee, Lonergan.
gO_bOmBeRz
9 Oct 2009, 18:09
FB: NLM, Pears, Atkinson
HB: Fletcher, Hurley, Dempsey
C: Winderlich, Stanton, Riemers
HF: Monfires, Gumbleton, Davey
FF: Williams, Neagle, Ryder
R: Hille, Prismall, Watson (c)
Bench: Houli, Mcveigh, Longergan, Welsh
Players to come in when injuries, reports occur or when someone has to be dropped:
Myers, Darcy Daniher, Laycock (give him a chance), Hooker, Hocking, Slattery, Michael Still (cant wait for him to be up and running), Jetta, Christian Bock (when he puts on some weight)
We have so much depth it isnt funny :|
I kept trying to change the team around but i just couldnt do it.
Darealrath
9 Oct 2009, 21:22
We should have the luxury of not having to rush back "names" when they are underdone. Going to be a tough gig getting in the team this year, so many guys I'd like to see play a lot but very hard to find room for them if we are up and going.
So few positions are set in concrete - coupled that with the fact we have so few genuine injuries going INTO pre-season (am I missing any?), means this is probably the strongest position the club has been in in years and years.
A quick rant off the top of my head:
Strong pre-season form from anyone can see so many positions up for grabs - Neagle is no full forward guarantee if Gumby and Hurley dominate there in the pre-season - Gumby is no guarantee at CHF until he does something - Mcveigh is a back pocket until proven on the ball - Monfries now has a genuine lead up forward to contend with, on the flip side this may release him - hooker played well at CHF, good enough for guys like Pears and Hurley to not think they can do nothing and be handed these positions - is Hurley a CHF? Gumby is wondering? - Dyson has a wing position until taken away from him, that should ring in Winders, Reimers, perhaps Dempseys heads etc the list - are Stanton and Prismall good enough to just run around looking for kicks? - hocking and lonergan are clearance players guaranteed nothing as this stage - but both will keep Watson on his toes - Welsh is no guarantee anywhere until proven post injury (except to tag judd of course) - Davey needs to have a better season - does Jetta or Houli get a game? - what will be of Myers? Where do McPhee and NLM even fit in? Who is the starting ruckman? the list is bloody endless.
Even 12 months ago, we could pencil in half the team as basic locks.
Not anymore. 90% of positions are genuinely up for grabs.
Great position to be in, going INTO a pre-season.
can not wait for the NAB cup.
Oh Tayteridge
10 Oct 2009, 08:31
I agree that we do seem to have a lot of depth now, but I think we really need to replace Lovett's pace in the draft. To me, that team looks a whole lot slower when he isn't in it, and our game is built around our ability to run the ball at speed.
cooper6
10 Oct 2009, 11:35
I agree that we do seem to have a lot of depth now, but I think we really need to replace Lovett's pace in the draft. To me, that team looks a whole lot slower when he isn't in it, and our game is built around our ability to run the ball at speed.
While there is no issue with drafting a 2nd rounder who could play his role, I don't see this as a huge concern.
Reimers played very little last year and when he did he didn't seem 100%. While Lovett leaves a hole, he leaves a huge opportunity for Reimers to step up and become a great wingman / flanker. I really really wanna see this happen. He is quick, creative and could be a weapon around goals (possibly even more so than Lovett in the long run).
Other's we might see step up their game could be Zaharakis or Jetta and fill this hole. We may also see either Dempsey or Atko take this role with the other playing HBF. But please Reimers, get angry!
Macca18
10 Oct 2009, 13:22
We won't be world beaters again next year, but we're placing ourselves in a very, very, very good position in a 2011-2014 'window'.
By this stage, a lot of the teams who have been up and about in the last few years will be back on the way down due to retirements and a few other factors. The Gold Coast & West Sydney are going to drain the next few drafts of anything so we have really set ourselves up nicely for this, whilst many other clubs really haven't and will fall in a fairly deep hole for a 2-3 year period.
BringBackCransberg
10 Oct 2009, 13:23
Great post Smokin. NAB Cup can't come soon enough.
nighthawk
10 Oct 2009, 17:23
We won't be world beaters again next year, but we're placing ourselves in a very, very, very good position in a 2011-2014 'window'.
By this stage, a lot of the teams who have been up and about in the last few years will be back on the way down due to retirements and a few other factors. The Gold Coast & West Sydney are going to drain the next few drafts of anything so we have really set ourselves up nicely for this, whilst many other clubs really haven't and will fall in a fairly deep hole for a 2-3 year period.
My main fear is that Gold Coast or West Sydney will be pushing for the same years we are, and their list will be pretty packed full of talent I imagine.
nighthawk
10 Oct 2009, 17:36
You know what I just thought? How sweet will the intra-club match be? It would almost be difficult to make an A and B team.
Just realised how sad a way this is to spend my Saturday night but - Here you go Nighthawk, my intra-club match teams:
Team A:
B: H. Slattery Pears Daniher
HB: Dempsey Hooker McPhee
C: Winderlich Stanton Dyson
HF: M. Williams Gumbleton Skipworth
F: Jetta Still Quinn
R: Hille Myers Welsh
Int: Bellchambers Lonergan Pick #24 <turns out 43 ISN’T divisible by 2>
Note: Quinn is on Welsh’s team this time for obvious reasons.:)
Team B:
B: McVeigh Fletcher T. Slattery
HB: Atkinson Hurley Lovett-Murray
C: Reimers Prismall Houli
HF: Monfries Laycock Zaharakis
F: Davey Neagle J. Williams
R: Ryder Watson Hocking
Int: Bock Pick #10 Pick #26 Pick #33
Teams subject to change depending on drafted players. Not even going to try and bother speculating who we draft.
Not really sure which team to pick out of this...
Key match ups include:
Watson v Welsh
Hocking v Myers
Ryder v Hille
Neagle v Pears
Hurley v Gumbleton
I would be tipping Team A just because they seem more balanced, also have a spare slot on the interchange bench that I could slot straight into;)
BringBackCransberg
10 Oct 2009, 20:42
Great work teak. They better not make this match closed to the public again. I reckon they could sell tickets and get their end of season trip paid off.
(Feeling equally sad about being here to comment on a Saturday night.)
Would be great to be able to see the intra-club match. But they probably won't let the public see again, as they haven't previously. Pity, I would pay to see it, and I would think others would too.
Good idea to use it as a way to pay off the end of season trip
Great work teak:thumbsu:
Personally id like to see our young kids n draftees on our more experienced players like watson n flect. Also a match up of Slats v williams would be good for both players.
Would love to see this game tho
nighthawk
11 Oct 2009, 12:15
Nice job.
Quite bizarrely, both of those come close to being a complete AFL side (excluding those who are destined to be delisted shortly and the picks who we don't know.) Effectively we've got almost 2 full AFL sides in one team.
I can't think of another team that has our depth...
bomber69
11 Oct 2009, 18:51
I'm predicting Zaharakis to play all 22 games next year.
I'm predicting Zaharakis to play all 22 games next year.
I hope that's due to his improvement, not due to injuries.
ghostdog
12 Oct 2009, 11:06
Haha, Edited, thank you RIG.
Yeah I dunno, always have put the followers in the middle of my lists, it just looks right for some reason, maybe because they are like that on the ground?:D
It's exciting times hey? Zaharakis is another one I am having trouble keeping out.
Zaharakis is someone who I'm looking for massive improvement in. His delivery is terrific. So accurate. I'm starting to think the loss of Lovett is no great loss after all.
...and yes, we have great depth at the moment. I'm hoping other sides continue to underestimate us.
King Patty
14 Oct 2009, 12:05
Best 22
FB: Fletcher Pears Slattery
HB: McPhee Hurley Dempsey
C: Stanton Watson Winderlich
HF: Reimers Gumbleton Monfries
FF: Williams Neagle Davey
R: Ryder Welsh McVeigh
Bench: Dyson Myers NLM Hille
notes: - can see Hooker taking Fletchers place as he fades.
Mids facing pressure to perform from - Houli/Lonergan/Zahakarkis/Hocking
KPP - Still/hooker/daniher
Rucks - laycock/Bock
Reserves
FB: Atkinson Daniher Pick 33#
HB:Pick 26# Hooker Slattery
C: Hocking Lonergan Houli
HF: Quinn Bellchambers Pick #24
FF:Meli Still Jetta
R: Laycock, Zaharakis, pick 10#
Bench: Bock, Rookie#3, Rookie#4, Rookie#5