View Full Version : review 2009 Draft Revisted: Your Wish Lists
Kaiser Powser
13 Oct 2009, 15:56
Ok, there has been a lot of speculation on who we should take at pick 10, but we are in a great position, where all four of our picks are in the first two rounds.
So what are peoples feelings and desires regarding our needs or our likely movements with these picks? Will we draft for our needs and take a pure mid, a small back and maybe a ruckman, or will we simply go best available?
I feel we have a great opportunity to have a really good draft before the GC come in, what does everyone think?
I personally would love Cunnington or Tapscott at 10, if they are gone, then we should take best available. I think we should take best available at 24 and then draft for needs with our last two picks. I won't suggest names, as I am not a draft expert and would only be regurgitating Phantom drafts from the main board.
bombersno1
13 Oct 2009, 16:00
10- Stevens (assuming Tapscott is gone)
24- Christensen
26- Bastinac
33- Jesse Smith
They would probably be the ones I'd try and get. The Jesse Smith one could be used for a crumbing forward, but I am taking the punt on Smith at pick 33.
Kaiser Powser
13 Oct 2009, 16:06
10- Stevens (assuming Tapscott is gone)
24- Christensen
26- Bastinac
33- Jesse Smith
They would probably be the ones I'd try and get. The Jesse Smith one could be used for a crumbing forward, but I am taking the punt on Smith at pick 33.
I'd probably take Ball before Smith, but would ultimately like us to use the pick. We have made pretty good use of second round picks in recent years. Pears - Zaharakis - Dempsey.
pick 10 - any of butcher, lucas, martin, rohan, melksham, talia, tapscott, cunnington given scully, trengove probably only certainties to definitely go before pick 10. i wouldn't be too fussed with selecting any one of these.
pick 24 - i can't see bastinac or christensen lasting past pick 20 so do not include them. i'd have the following as possibles - aaron black, dylan mcneil, serhat temel, roland ah chee, byron sumner, charlie mcadam, nicholas winmar, travis colyer, mitch duncan. obviously the same blokes again for picks 26 and 33 with jesse smith possibly also coming into the mix with the latter two selections.
gO_bOmBeRz
13 Oct 2009, 16:21
No body seems to be looking at Lewis Jetta a good speedster to replace Lovett, i have watched him play and looks like a star, watch this interview till the end( only 1 minute 25 seconds long) which shows a couple of highlights of him, especially his run on from the backline at about 39 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWVKxTFPJk
No body seems to be looking at Lewis Jetta a good speedster to replace Lovett, i have watched him play and looks like a star, watch this interview till the end( only 1 minute 25 seconds long) which shows a couple of highlights of him, especially his run on from the backline at about 39 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWVKxTFPJk
i don't think lewis jetta is good enough to warrant being taken at pick 10 and he probably won't be available by pick 24.
Zahasouvlakis
13 Oct 2009, 16:54
pick 10 - any of butcher, lucas, martin, rohan, melksham, talia, tapscott, cunnington given scully, trengove probably only certainties to definitely go before pick 10. i wouldn't be too fussed with selecting any one of these.
pick 24 - i can't see bastinac or christensen lasting past pick 20 so do not include them. i'd have the following as possibles - aaron black, dylan mcneil, serhat temel, roland ah chee, byron sumner, charlie mcadam, nicholas winmar, travis colyer, mitch duncan. obviously the same blokes again for picks 26 and 33 with jesse smith possibly also coming into the mix with the latter two selections.
Stevens > Melksham
EFL Boy
13 Oct 2009, 16:54
Where do you think Ben Griffiths will go? and Ayden Kennedy for that matter?
bombersno1
13 Oct 2009, 17:20
pick 10 - any of butcher, lucas, martin, rohan, melksham, talia, tapscott, cunnington given scully, trengove probably only certainties to definitely go before pick 10. i wouldn't be too fussed with selecting any one of these.
pick 24 - i can't see bastinac or christensen lasting past pick 20 so do not include them. i'd have the following as possibles - aaron black, dylan mcneil, serhat temel, roland ah chee, byron sumner, charlie mcadam, nicholas winmar, travis colyer, mitch duncan. obviously the same blokes again for picks 26 and 33 with jesse smith possibly also coming into the mix with the latter two selections.
Christensen is probably the most interesting player of this draft, as he could go anywhere from 6 to 30. Has a lot of upside in my opinion, and he is one I would not mind us taking at pick 10. Just has that something about him that screams "star" in the making.
gO_bOmBeRz
13 Oct 2009, 17:28
I wouldn't mind taking Jesse Smith at pick 33
The Fact
13 Oct 2009, 17:59
Pick 10 Koby Stevens
Pick 24 Ryan Harwood
Pick 26 Roland Ah Chee
Pick 33 Nicholas Winmar
IMO if we could get these player our mids would hopefully be sorted for years to come with other players coming through and then in the next couple of years look for a ruckman, small and med forward. But back to topic Stevens, Harwood and Ah Chee look like solid inside players with each being a bit different eg Ah Chee big posses winner that we have been missing, Stevens a mid with a bit of class and harwood just a pure clerance players. Then there is Winmar a player that could go either way but looks well worth the risk, a pure outside mid/wingman but looks like he could be a star, the mark in his clip speaks for its self.
Stevens > Melksham
Can not agree at all with that. I actually think Melksham is a better player than Stevens , better in close and better in the stoppage/clearance work.
Personally i would not be looking at Stevens in the top ten.
Somehow the hype on him has grown and grown.
It has grown from the fact that he is a bit of a hard nut but to be honest having seen Stevens play 15 or so games i have to be blunt and say there have been a lot of times that he has not overly impressed me at all and he spends a lot of time playing up and down a wing.
Ben Cunnington is a mcuh better option at 10 in my opinion.
bombersno1
13 Oct 2009, 19:22
Ben Cunnington is a mcuh better option at 10 in my opinion.
Yeah so would Tom Scully or Trengove..but all 3 will go top 5 in the draft!
Ludwig van Bertstare
13 Oct 2009, 19:49
Yeah so would Tom Scully or Trengove..but all 3 will go top 5 in the draft!
Daniel Rich was supposed to go top 3.
Can not agree at all with that. I actually think Melksham is a better player than Stevens , better in close and better in the stoppage/clearance work.
Personally i would not be looking at Stevens in the top ten.
Somehow the hype on him has grown and grown.
It has grown from the fact that he is a bit of a hard nut but to be honest having seen Stevens play 15 or so games i have to be blunt and say there have been a lot of times that he has not overly impressed me at all and he spends a lot of time playing up and down a wing.
Ben Cunnington is a mcuh better option at 10 in my opinion.
So you still hold some hope of Cunnington falling to us
un_eggs
13 Oct 2009, 20:14
Can only go by the youtube footage but the only player that stands out to me as being the special player that we haven't got, and could conceivably pick up, is Jetta. Very impressive in his game against Peel.
Cant tell if he works well the other way but his evasiveness, turn of speed, quick-thinking deftness and one-touch skill suggest he could be anything.
Wasn't that impressed by what I saw of Stevens, Melksham looked better, and if the footy gods worked with us I think Cunnington would be a safe long-term mid for us.
And to be honest, Martin looks the best of the draft to me. Has poise and seems to be a midfield general. Has the ability to leave it to the last possible second drawing players to him before dispossing well to a teamate. Think Hayes, Black, and Cousins.
bombersno1
13 Oct 2009, 20:44
Daniel Rich was supposed to go top 3.
Rich did not fall to pick 10! Plus at least with Rich there was some reasoning behind the fall- i.e the number of KPP taken.
King Of The Hille
13 Oct 2009, 20:54
Luke Ball at pick 24 make it happen.
Give him the captaincy, make him the face of the club.
OzBomber
13 Oct 2009, 21:00
26- Bastinac
My mum's boyfriend is good mates with his dad so I'll be happy to take him.
Rich did not fall to pick 10! Plus at least with Rich there was some reasoning behind the fall- i.e the number of KPP taken.Actually Watts and NicNat were always going to be top3.
The reason Rich fell was Freo preferring Hill (mid), Port Hartlett (mid), us Hurley (KP) and Carlton... (tries not to laugh...) Yarran.
Was more clubs having different preferences, which, shock horror, could happen again this year.
saladin
13 Oct 2009, 21:15
Stevens > Melksham
on the basis that cunnington is gone (and, just maybe, even if he wasn't), i'm now hoping we take melksham at #10. able to play inside, and also get out and find space, his versatility stands out a bit in a midfield draft crop that is a little workman-like, rather than brilliant.
one of bastinac/crichton in the 20's would be great too.
bipolarbeaR
13 Oct 2009, 21:23
My mum's boyfriend is good mates with his dad so I'll be happy to take him.
Well.. I am not so much her boyfriend per se.
10 - Melksham/Christensen - Would love Lucas
24 - Ah Chee/ Harwood
26 - See above
33 - A state league player - Barlow.
A good draft to stock up with midfielders.
Question for ANT555
Would you rate Barlow higher than Picken ?
eth-dog
14 Oct 2009, 07:40
10- Tapscott
24- Crichton/Jetta
26- see above
33- Smith
Yeah so would Tom Scully or Trengove..but all 3 will go top 5 in the draft!
And WTF do those two have to do with anything ? Are you saying that Cunnington is a lock for pick 3 ?
Sure Cunnington may be gone before pick 10 but he may not either. Unlike other years there is not any clear cut order this year and you will find that players may be taken a number of spots firther along.
There is every chance that any of Butcher , Morabito , Lucas , Talia , Melksham , Martin , Rohan or Tapscott could all go before him.
Lets fact it no one thought Palmer or Rich would go outside of the top 5.
In a way i hope Cunnington does go top three as before last years draft he was the player i put down on the draft and trading board as the player to watch for this years draft.
So piss off imposter and go and watch some more you tube so you can hone your expert opinions :rolleyes:
keepzitreal
14 Oct 2009, 10:02
Really hoping Jetta gets to us...
has anyone heard anything about Gilbert McAdams boy.. pretty sure his a rebounding half back flank for Queensland or the NT... any potential?
Kaiser Powser
14 Oct 2009, 10:08
Can not agree at all with that. I actually think Melksham is a better player than Stevens , better in close and better in the stoppage/clearance work.
Personally i would not be looking at Stevens in the top ten.
Somehow the hype on him has grown and grown.
It has grown from the fact that he is a bit of a hard nut but to be honest having seen Stevens play 15 or so games i have to be blunt and say there have been a lot of times that he has not overly impressed me at all and he spends a lot of time playing up and down a wing.
Ben Cunnington is a mcuh better option at 10 in my opinion.
I agree.
I have only seen youtube footage, but nothing about him blew me away. Cunnington on the other hand looked brilliant, so quick with his dispoasal and just buzzing in and under, just what we need.
cAsEy_18
14 Oct 2009, 13:35
My ideal draft
Pick 10 - Tapscott
Pick 24 - Critchon
Pick 26 - Bastinac
Pick 33 - Smith
Pick 10: Allan Christenson - Ben Cunnington
Pick 24: Ryan Harwood - Ryan Bastinac
Pick 26: Roland Ah Chee - best available
Pick 33: Jesse Smith - State League Player
Would really like the look of that draft, alot of smalls, but we are good in the tall stocks, ruckmen we can look for in the rookie draft in the form of Orren Stephenson/Broc McCauley, would love that though.
I think a small crumbing forward may be on the cards, and that is what Christenson can do to get into the AFL to begin with, then he may be able to move into the midfield.
Harwood just sounds like class, along with Bastinac, so one of the two would be great.
Ah Chee is not a stereo typical aboriginal kid, he does not posses the flashy runs and beautifully weighted passes, but he does posess an uncanny ability to find the pill, and is hard enough to go and get it himself.
And Jesse Smith when fit, is too good not to have on our list.
And as mentioned would love to get a state league ruckmen in the form of Northern Bullants ruckmen Orren Stephenson, or AFLQ state ruckmen Broc McCauley, both only 22, both big bodies, so a good time to take them I would imagine.
Really think we may take our luck in the PSD also, even if it means we take a state league player here.
gO_bOmBeRz
14 Oct 2009, 15:27
How much of you actually want Jesse Smith to be taken at pick 33, cant do a poll because im still a new user
Kaiser Powser
14 Oct 2009, 15:32
Pick 10: Allan Christenson - Ben Cunnington
Pick 24: Ryan Harwood - Ryan Bastinac
Pick 26: Roland Ah Chee - best available
Pick 33: Jesse Smith - State League Player
Would really like the look of that draft, alot of smalls, but we are good in the tall stocks, ruckmen we can look for in the rookie draft in the form of Orren Stephenson/Broc McCauley, would love that though.
I think a small crumbing forward may be on the cards, and that is what Christenson can do to get into the AFL to begin with, then he may be able to move into the midfield.
Harwood just sounds like class, along with Bastinac, so one of the two would be great.
Ah Chee is not a stereo typical aboriginal kid, he does not posses the flashy runs and beautifully weighted passes, but he does posess an uncanny ability to find the pill, and is hard enough to go and get it himself.
And Jesse Smith when fit, is too good not to have on our list.
And as mentioned would love to get a state league ruckmen in the form of Northern Bullants ruckmen Orren Stephenson, or AFLQ state ruckmen Broc McCauley, both only 22, both big bodies, so a good time to take them I would imagine.
Really think we may take our luck in the PSD also, even if it means we take a state league player here.
Who would we delist to do this?
Who would we delist to do this?
No one, we are not going to use this pick (Pick # 10 - Pre Season Draft)
I have just looked at the mail that says Essendon has completed there delistings for the year.
The really strong buzz is Martin is a lock for Pick 3 at Richmond and Cunnington is well liked by Roos at 5. Interesting to see if they work out to be accurate. Morabito and Freo seem to be an obvious link as well.
I think we would have the chance to draft at least one of Melksham, Stevens or Tapscott with Pick 10. From there it really is in the lap of the gods.
A question for Ant555. How often did you watch Koby Stevens play last year? I thought he looked much better last year and he had his fair share of injuries this year which really affected his game. I wonder if he needs an opportunity to get his body right? I think Essendon will really look at Callum Bartlett who is returning from a knee injury.
I think Essendon will really look at Callum Bartlett who is returning from a knee injury.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope we take him. Could be a good steal in this draft.
Joe Rossi
15 Oct 2009, 18:23
what was the extent of the injury ?
smoothmovers
15 Oct 2009, 19:11
10 - Luke Tapscott
24 - Jesse Crichton
26 - Troy Taylor
33 - Andrew Hooper
bombers own
15 Oct 2009, 20:52
10- Lucas/Tapscott/Stevens
24- Bastinac
26- Harwood/Ball
33- Bartlett/Ah Chee
Mrs Mercuri
15 Oct 2009, 21:42
Troy Taylor sounds exciting... could be the perfect replacement for Lovett.
Johnny Bennell is an exciting smaller forward that was delisted by the Pies... could be a good rookie option.
Gerrard_to_Torres
15 Oct 2009, 22:14
I hope for Lucas/Tapscott at 10. Then Taylor & Colyer at 24 & 26 (unlikely). Undecided on 33 as to go best available or to punt on someone like Smith..
vandelay
16 Oct 2009, 13:39
Can not agree at all with that. I actually think Melksham is a better player than Stevens , better in close and better in the stoppage/clearance work.
Personally i would not be looking at Stevens in the top ten.
Somehow the hype on him has grown and grown.
It has grown from the fact that he is a bit of a hard nut but to be honest having seen Stevens play 15 or so games i have to be blunt and say there have been a lot of times that he has not overly impressed me at all and he spends a lot of time playing up and down a wing.
Ben Cunnington is a mcuh better option at 10 in my opinion.
Whilst I thought Stevens got caught ball watching at the clearances at times last season, I'd still say he's probably got Melksham covered in that area.
I'm a massive Melksham fan, but I don't think he's going to dominate in close at AFL level. I think he'll excel far more in the role of receiver than provider. In the structure of an AFL club, Koby's awareness in the middle should improve and his contested ball skills should come into play.
I'm not going to disagree that Stevens spent a fair bit of time working up and down the wing this year, I've thought the same thing myself at times, but his body has struggled with the workload this year and I think that's played a role.
I watched a tape of him play with the AIS the other day when he was fully fit and up and running at the start of the year. The roaming he was doing during the Champs and later in the year with Gippsland wasn't anywhere near as prominent, he was in every contest and won the vast majority.
I think that's the player we'd be getting at 10 - a tough, strong through the hips midfielder with a great work rate and I think he's every bit worthy of it. I'd probably take Cunnington over him as well, but the likelihood of Cunnington being there is very small.
vandelay
16 Oct 2009, 13:42
I think we would have the chance to draft at least one of Melksham, Stevens or Tapscott with Pick 10. From there it really is in the lap of the gods.
I think ti'll be Stevens or Melksham. That's my feeling, but in saying that I'm not a massive Tapscott fan.
I lean towards Koby.
I think Essendon will really look at Callum Bartlett who is returning from a knee injury.
If we're looking at a kid at Pick 33, we could do a lot worse than Callum.
I think there are 29 quality picks in this draft, so I'm certainly not against taking a risk at pick 33.
The really strong buzz is Martin is a lock for Pick 3 at Richmond and Cunnington is well liked by Roos at 5. Interesting to see if they work out to be accurate. Morabito and Freo seem to be an obvious link as well.
I think we would have the chance to draft at least one of Melksham, Stevens or Tapscott with Pick 10. From there it really is in the lap of the gods.
A question for Ant555. How often did you watch Koby Stevens play last year? I thought he looked much better last year and he had his fair share of injuries this year which really affected his game. I wonder if he needs an opportunity to get his body right? I think Essendon will really look at Callum Bartlett who is returning from a knee injury.
Last year i think it was 5 or 6 games , not 100% sure of the top of my head. I dont know why but i have never been a big warp for him as a top 15 pick. I know he plays hard and tackles well but he is only average to just above average pace and for all the talk about him he does not make a big impact a lot of weeks.
I liked his game against SA from last years Champ series whn he played half forward and had a bit of the ball. I can remember a couple of good TAC Cup games as well where he did well at half forward.
I may be off the mark a bit but i just dont see him as a top 15 pick. I guess it stems from the fact that having seen him play a good number of games you sort of expect a bit more given the big wraps on him. There are just too many games where i thought he could be working a bit harder or more involved or making a bigger impact.
I guess we will see. I was not a big wrap for Zaharakis last year either becasue i thought his lack of skill on the left side that got him in trouble in a few under 18 games would also hinder him at AFL level and that porved not to be the case.
As far as pick 10 goes i will not be shocked if we go a bit left field. The most likely scenario when you look at it is to take a midfielder but with massive restrictions coming in after this year and lasting for a few seasons it would be no shock at all to me if they drafted someone like Talia.
Very mobile 195cm key position players who can average 18 possessions a game with a reasonably good kicking efficiency are not exactly spread through this draft in numbers. The prediction with him is he will go anywhere between pick 12 or so to pick 20. I suspect he will actually go a bit higher up.
bombersno1
17 Oct 2009, 08:48
Another KPP? Why exactly, we need some elite class in the midfield. We have enough class in KPP posts, especially if Gumbleton is up and running. Plus we drafted Still last year who is a KPP.
Another KPP? Why exactly, we need some elite class in the midfield. We have enough class in KPP posts, especially if Gumbleton is up and running. Plus we drafted Still last year who is a KPP.
Think outside the square.
How many talls will be avialable in the next 3 drafts given the GC and West Sydney ?
Secondly what elite players around at pick ten will be certain [I]elite[I] midfielders ? Chances are that someone we pick up at pick 24 or 26 will be just as good as who we get at pick 10 given the top 6 or 7 mids from this draft will be gone before we pick them.
The concept is simple. Draft what will be in strongest demand in the next 3 seasons before it is.
In two years from now if Gumby or Neagle have struggled to have an impact then how do we look to replace them if the best talls have already been picked off due to draft concessions ?
It comes down to picking at 10. If we where in Melbournes position i would be saying Scully and Trengove would be a no brainer. You just pick the best two players.
In our position we have a chance to pick one more tall to cover any short falls before picking talls becomes more difficult and then we can go three mids with 24,26 and 33 and probably still get very close to what we could pick at 10.
The 2 elite mids in this years draft are Scully and Trengove. Then there are a few very good types who should be good players in Cunnington , Martin , Morabito , Lucas etc.
Do not get fooled into thinking this draft is something it is not. It will produce some good players but they are an even bunch and it will be hit and miss.
bombermick
17 Oct 2009, 10:26
Think outside the square.
How many talls will be avialable in the next 3 drafts given the GC and West Sydney ?
Secondly what elite players around at pick ten will be certain [i]elite[i] midfielders ? Chances are that someone we pick up at pick 24 or 26 will be just as good as who we get at pick 10 given the top 6 or 7 mids from this draft will be gone before we pick them.
The concept is simple. Draft what will be in strongest demand in the next 3 seasons before it is.
In two years from now if Gumby or Neagle have struggled to have an impact then how do we look to replace them if the best talls have already been picked off due to draft concessions ?
It comes down to picking at 10. If we where in Melbournes position i would be saying Scully and Trengove would be a no brainer. You just pick the best two players.
In our position we have a chance to pick one more tall to cover any short falls before picking talls becomes more difficult and then we can go three mids with 24,26 and 33 and probably still get very close to what we could pick at 10.
The 2 elite mids in this years draft are Scully and Trengove. Then there are a few very good types who should be good players in Cunnington , Martin , Morabito , Lucas etc.
Do not get fooled into thinking this draft is something it is not. It will produce some good players but they are an even bunch and it will be hit and miss.
I agree. With drafting, I assume the idea is not always to pick what you need now, but what you need in 2 to 3 years. Plus, as Ant said a mid we may get with 24 may be only slightly inferior to one we get at pick 10. Someone like Talia or Butcher or a ruck like Vardy could be the way to go. Vardy because Hille is getting towards the end and Bellchambers has shown very little.
Think outside the square.
How many talls will be avialable in the next 3 drafts given the GC and West Sydney ?
Secondly what elite players around at pick ten will be certain [i]elite[i] midfielders ? Chances are that someone we pick up at pick 24 or 26 will be just as good as who we get at pick 10 given the top 6 or 7 mids from this draft will be gone before we pick them.
The concept is simple. Draft what will be in strongest demand in the next 3 seasons before it is.
In two years from now if Gumby or Neagle have struggled to have an impact then how do we look to replace them if the best talls have already been picked off due to draft concessions ?
It comes down to picking at 10. If we where in Melbournes position i would be saying Scully and Trengove would be a no brainer. You just pick the best two players.
In our position we have a chance to pick one more tall to cover any short falls before picking talls becomes more difficult and then we can go three mids with 24,26 and 33 and probably still get very close to what we could pick at 10.
The 2 elite mids in this years draft are Scully and Trengove. Then there are a few very good types who should be good players in Cunnington , Martin , Morabito , Lucas etc.
Do not get fooled into thinking this draft is something it is not. It will produce some good players but they are an even bunch and it will be hit and miss.
I have been saying this for a while ant so good work. I just dont see how the first 6 picks can be midfielders when the bottom teams need to develop some prospects in there spine (bar maybe west coast). The next few years will be guttered for quality talls. And they take the longest to get on. I see less of a risk in a team like north picking up Best available KPP (butcher?) then taking a mid and chancing it with 2nd rounders and picks in comming seasons.
centrelink1
17 Oct 2009, 13:39
I know this may seem irrelevant, but look at what Melbourne did with Watts. Decided against the tall, athletic Naitinui and... i bet they'd love that choice again.
Daniel Rich, who was drafted at 8, was the best midfielder of the bunch, while only 2 teams (i think) chose KPPs.
I hope Knights realises we need to look for KPP's, and i desperately hope Malthouse and Clarkson dont.
saladin
17 Oct 2009, 16:30
I know this may seem irrelevant, but look at what Melbourne did with Watts. Decided against the tall, athletic Naitinui and... i bet they'd love that choice again.
Daniel Rich, who was drafted at 8, was the best midfielder of the bunch, while only 2 teams (i think) chose KPPs.
I hope Knights realises we need to look for KPP's, and i desperately hope Malthouse and Clarkson dont.
1) Watts will be a decent player. maybe better than Nicnat, maybe not. but it's stupid to claim they got it wrong. alos, are you trying to suggest that watts isn't a key position player?
2) the history of Essendon's drafting has been to get the best big guys. Taking Hurley last year, and Pears before that, suggests that the club are fully aware of how to build the list and plan for the future.
3) Malthouse and Clarkson don't have a "live" pick in this draft until all of the decent KP's are almost certainly gone.
Zahasouvlakis
17 Oct 2009, 16:36
1) Watts will be a decent player. maybe better than Nicnat, maybe not. but it's stupid to claim they got it wrong. alos, are you trying to suggest that watts isn't a key position player?
2) the history of Essendon's drafting has been to get the best big guys. Taking Hurley last year, and Pears before that, suggests that the club are fully aware of how to build the list and plan for the future.
3) Malthouse and Clarkson don't have a "live" pick in this draft until all of the decent KP's are almost certainly gone.
4) Daniel Rich was drafted at 7, not 8
Are there any players who are late to the game, and from a basketball background in this years draft?
If so, I would hope we looked at picking at least one up.
If you look at other teams, they have been able to pick up extremley gifted footballers, with 2nd/3rd/4th round picks, who have played basketball for the majority of their life.
For example off the top of my head in the last few drafts-
Tippet. 2nd round pick. Most dominant young foward in the afl.
Jesse White. 3rd round pick. Extremley promising foward who I rate very highly.
Todd Goldstein. 3rd round pick. Talented foward/ruckman. 5 goals in a game from the ruck this year.
Then there are of course many others such as Pendlebury, Brogan etc.
It is clear that the way the game is now played, it suits ex basketballers.
So, is there any standout players who have only been playing football for a few years, and are of a basketball background in this years draft?
centrelink1
17 Oct 2009, 17:10
Are there any players who are late to the game, and from a basketball background in this years draft?
If so, I would hope we looked at picking at least one up.
If you look at other teams, they have been able to pick up extremley gifted footballers, with 2nd/3rd/4th round picks, who have played basketball for the majority of their life.
For example off the top of my head in the last few drafts-
Tippet. 2nd round pick. Most dominant young foward in the afl.
Jesse White. 3rd round pick. Extremley promising foward who I rate very highly.
Todd Goldstein. 3rd round pick. Talented foward/ruckman. 5 goals in a game from the ruck this year.
Then there are of course many others such as Pendlebury, Brogan etc.
It is clear that the way the game is now played, it suits ex basketballers.
So, is there any standout players who have only been playing football for a few years, and are of a basketball background in this years draft?
That sort of theory already helped us get Quinn.
Hislop200
17 Oct 2009, 20:31
Hey there Ant, what do you think of Josh Donaldson?
Could he be a chance at 33 or there abouts.:footy:
The club has given every indication that they will focus on midfielder - but one never knows !
Ant - You must rate Talia highly, because i am certain that you posted in the last twelve months that Essendon has a need for elite midfielders.
The club has given every indication that they will focus on midfielder - but one never knows !
Ant - You must rate Talia highly, because i am certain that you posted in the last twelve months that Essendon has a need for elite midfielders.
We do but the two elite mids in this draft will go at pick 1 & 2.
Given a choice i would pick Trengove then Scully every time but we have pick 10 and those mids left at pick 10 will be no more elite than those that could be around at pick 24 or 26.
I think are overlooking the actualy quality of the draft. Very few of the top mids had disposal efficiencies in the 70's. A hell of a lot had a kicking eff around the 60% mark.
You can only draft elite if it is available and as far as Talia goes i like him more than Butcher becasue he can play both ends and he plays a running defensive role similar to what Wellman gave us.
eth-dog
18 Oct 2009, 10:25
We do but the two elite mids in this draft will go at pick 1 & 2.
Given a choice i would pick Trengove then Scully every time but we have pick 10 and those mids left at pick 10 will be no more elite than those that could be around at pick 24 or 26.
I think are overlooking the actualy quality of the draft. Very few of the top mids had disposal efficiencies in the 70's. A hell of a lot had a kicking eff around the 60% mark.
You can only draft elite if it is available and as far as Talia goes i like him more than Butcher becasue he can play both ends and he plays a running defensive role similar to what Wellman gave us.
Well I'm sold, Talia for pick 10 :thumbsu:
Jonesy1987
18 Oct 2009, 15:36
Is there much chance Duncan will be around at 24? Seems like an Enright type that we could really do with.
Colin D'Cops
18 Oct 2009, 17:24
Is there much chance Duncan will be around at 24?
Could well be. Wouldn't surprise me to see him go a little earlier though.
Would be extremely happy with picking up Dunc with our second pick. :thumbsu:
Are there any players who are late to the game, and from a basketball background in this years draft?
If so, I would hope we looked at picking at least one up.
If you look at other teams, they have been able to pick up extremley gifted footballers, with 2nd/3rd/4th round picks, who have played basketball for the majority of their life.
For example off the top of my head in the last few drafts-
Tippet. 2nd round pick. Most dominant young foward in the afl.
Jesse White. 3rd round pick. Extremley promising foward who I rate very highly.
Todd Goldstein. 3rd round pick. Talented foward/ruckman. 5 goals in a game from the ruck this year.
Then there are of course many others such as Pendlebury, Brogan etc.
It is clear that the way the game is now played, it suits ex basketballers.
So, is there any standout players who have only been playing football for a few years, and are of a basketball background in this years draft?
i'm not sure if its totally about suiting basketballers - the agility factor definitely helps but i believe the burn-out factor also has a massive impact. kids that play footy from a young age right thru juniors cop more knocks and injuries than a kid playing basketball. long term this may make a difference.
jake carlisle is a bit of a late bloomer - his background has been cricket though. he could also be a surprise selection at pick 10.
swans16
21 Oct 2009, 17:42
You guys should get Stevens at 10.
You guys should get Stevens at 10.
No thanks.
You are free to grab him earlier if you want though. That's just how kind we are at Essendon.
WinderliciouS
22 Oct 2009, 20:00
I'd take either Kane Lucas if he's there, if not, the best available player, which would probably be Koby Stevens.
i'm not sure if its totally about suiting basketballers - the agility factor definitely helps but i believe the burn-out factor also has a massive impact. kids that play footy from a young age right thru juniors cop more knocks and injuries than a kid playing basketball. long term this may make a difference.
jake carlisle is a bit of a late bloomer - his background has been cricket though. he could also be a surprise selection at pick 10.
I agree, but basketballers who move to football seem to have mobilty, agility and a good contested mark, I think this has something to do with winning rebounds in baskteball and having to learn to jump at the right time to get the ball at the highest point possible.
Unlike almost every team in the AFL, Essendon havent taken a punt on any local ex basketballers who move to football late. This should be a focus on late picks/and or rookie picks.
At Freo- they have picked up what looks to be a 150+ game ruckman in Zac Clake with pick 50 odd. If you have watched Collingwood VFL, they have picked up a tall ex basketballer in Keefe who is extremley promising with a late rookie pick. At Melbourne they picked up Stefan Martin with a late pick and is now one of their best talls already. Now Port have picked up a 200cm small guard who grew up in Melbourne with a footy, and is now a 100kg athlete who runs a 15.5 beep test and is every chance to make it under Brogan and Primus' guidance.
Adelaide who I believe have the most talented young list in the AFL, have currently on their list- Kurt Tippet (ex basketballer) James Sellar (ex volleyballer) Brodie Martin (ex basketballer) Will Young (Gridiron) Brad Moran etc etc.
I think Essendon has been a bit safe in their drafting recently compared to other teams, who utilise late picks and rookie picks, to take players with huge potential, and in most cases come good in an AFL environment. Essendons main picks outside the square recently are Courtney Dempsey (Rugby) Quinn from Ireland and David Hille (Volleyball). Why don't we do this more?
So, apart from Carlisle are there any late bloomers from other sports that we could look at with one of our national draft picks or rookie picks?
strategy
23 Oct 2009, 18:28
No body seems to be looking at Lewis Jetta a good speedster to replace Lovett, i have watched him play and looks like a star, watch this interview till the end( only 1 minute 25 seconds long) which shows a couple of highlights of him, especially his run on from the backline at about 39 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWVKxTFPJk
when he got a tag in the prelim final he went to water and had no effect on the game so he would have to learn how to deal with the taggers asap.
mitch-wa
24 Oct 2009, 11:17
when he got a tag in the prelim final he went to water and had no effect on the game so he would have to learn how to deal with the taggers asap.
no black ducks player had an effect on the game. surely we would have other players being tagged before him. if we dont get him i hope he stays at swans :P
Lance Uppercut
24 Oct 2009, 12:11
are Courtney Dempsey (Rugby)
Dempsey played Rugby? :eek: He would have been shattered into a million pieces!
Ludwig van Bertstare
24 Oct 2009, 12:13
Dempsey played Rugby? :eek: He would have been shattered into a million pieces!
He probably played in the u/10's until he was 17.
Smyth94
24 Oct 2009, 12:32
I agree, but basketballers who move to football seem to have mobilty, agility and a good contested mark, I think this has something to do with winning rebounds in baskteball and having to learn to jump at the right time to get the ball at the highest point possible.
Unlike almost every team in the AFL, Essendon havent taken a punt on any local ex basketballers who move to football late. This should be a focus on late picks/and or rookie picks.
At Freo- they have picked up what looks to be a 150+ game ruckman in Zac Clake with pick 50 odd. If you have watched Collingwood VFL, they have picked up a tall ex basketballer in Keefe who is extremley promising with a late rookie pick. At Melbourne they picked up Stefan Martin with a late pick and is now one of their best talls already. Now Port have picked up a 200cm small guard who grew up in Melbourne with a footy, and is now a 100kg athlete who runs a 15.5 beep test and is every chance to make it under Brogan and Primus' guidance.
Adelaide who I believe have the most talented young list in the AFL, have currently on their list- Kurt Tippet (ex basketballer) James Sellar (ex volleyballer) Brodie Martin (ex basketballer) Will Young (Gridiron) Brad Moran etc etc.
I think Essendon has been a bit safe in their drafting recently compared to other teams, who utilise late picks and rookie picks, to take players with huge potential, and in most cases come good in an AFL environment. Essendons main picks outside the square recently are Courtney Dempsey (Rugby) Quinn from Ireland and David Hille (Volleyball). Why don't we do this more?
So, apart from Carlisle are there any late bloomers from other sports that we could look at with one of our national draft picks or rookie picks?
Maybe Essendon are focused on finding players who can actually play the game, and not basketballers, soccer players etc
cocobonobo
24 Oct 2009, 13:33
Maybe Essendon are focused on finding players who can actually play the game, and not basketballers, soccer players etc
HAHA :thumbsu: so true,
Maybe Essendon are focused on finding players who can actually play the game, and not basketballers, soccer players etc
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Im not saying we shouldnt draft outstanding natural footballers with early picks, ie Hurley.
Im against drafting slow plodders who have little potential and get delisted within a year with later picks/rookie picks. Ie German, Kade Klemke etc, over a Keefe type rookie.
Stefan Martin, Kurt Tippet, Shaun Hampson, Jesse White, Todd Goldstein are probably 5 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL.
Funny that 1/4 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL, grew up without a footy in their hands......
AND, on average i reckon they were all pick 40+.
EFL Boy
24 Oct 2009, 14:31
Stefan Martin, Kurt Tippet, Shaun Hampson, Jesse White, Todd Goldstein are probably 5 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL.
Funny that 1/4 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL, grew up without a footy in their hands......
AND, on average i reckon they were all pick 40+.
Stefan Martin - Pick # 3, Pre-Season Draft
Kurt Tippett - Pick #32, National Draft
Shaun Hampson - PP Pick #17, National Draft
Jesse White - Pick #79, National Draft
Todd Goldstein - Pick #37, National Draft
So, no.
I would argue that only Tippett, White and maybe Martin are in the Top 20 young talls in the AFL.
Smyth94
24 Oct 2009, 14:35
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Im not saying we shouldnt draft outstanding natural footballers with early picks, ie Hurley.
Im against drafting slow plodders who have little potential and get delisted within a year with later picks/rookie picks. Ie German, Kade Klemke etc, over a Keefe type rookie.
Stefan Martin, Kurt Tippet, Shaun Hampson, Jesse White, Todd Goldstein are probably 5 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL.
Funny that 1/4 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL, grew up without a footy in their hands......
AND, on average i reckon they were all pick 40+.
Epic lulz if you think these guys never played footy underage...although I can understand that with Hampson because he's a spud.
Smyth94
24 Oct 2009, 14:38
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
Im not saying we shouldnt draft outstanding natural footballers with early picks, ie Hurley.
Im against drafting slow plodders who have little potential and get delisted within a year with later picks/rookie picks. Ie German, Kade Klemke etc, over a Keefe type rookie.
Stefan Martin, Kurt Tippet, Shaun Hampson, Jesse White, Todd Goldstein are probably 5 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL.
Funny that 1/4 of the top 20 young talls in the AFL, grew up without a footy in their hands......
AND, on average i reckon they were all pick 40+.
Gee - why don't AFL recruiters just give up and recruit from the NBL/A-League..stuff the guys who actually have good skills and an understanding for the game :rolleyes:
Stefan Martin - Pick # 3, Pre-Season Draft
Kurt Tippett - Pick #32, National Draft
Shaun Hampson - PP Pick #17, National Draft
Jesse White - Pick #79, National Draft
Todd Goldstein - Pick #37, National Draft
So, no.
I would argue that only Tippett, White and maybe Martin are in the Top 20 young talls in the AFL.
Ok. Martin is well and truly in there. He can play any position on the ground, and keeps getting better each game.
Shaun Hampson is improving and is a huge prospect. Port threw pick 8 at Carlton to try and get him. You dont throw top 10 picks unless they are great prospects.
Todd Goldstein kicked 5 goals from the ruck this year, not the fowardline. 3 brownlow votes from memory in his 5th odd game. Tell my how many RUCKMAN have kicked 5 goals in one game at 20 years old in 1 game?
I could go on and on.
Just look at the saints...
Sam Gilbert- rugby all his life, now a fantastic defender (should have been all australian this year)
Sam Fisher- golf all his life, recruited as a foward from sanfl with pick 70 odd. (all australian)
etc etc.
I think we need one more young tall moving forward and agree with Ant Talia would be a very good pick at 10, but if we do go a midfielder this is my order of preference for the ones I mention
Lucas (if he drops, big wish)
Stevens
Cunnington
Colyer
Melksham
Tapscott
also very intrigued with Troy Taylor, also his stock could be rising by the day, was mentioned at late to rookier early on, but Port could take him at 16.
EFL Boy
24 Oct 2009, 15:08
Sam Fisher was taken with Pick #55.
Sam Gilbert started playing Aussie Rules at the age of 14. Hardly all his life. :rolleyes:
Kurt Tippett, Mitch Clark, Lachie Henderson, Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Ryder, Tayte Pears, Michael Hurley, Scott Gumbleton, Cale Hooker, Nathan Brown, Tom Hawkins, Beau Dowler, Max Bailey, Jack Watts, Stefan Martin, Matthew Warnock, Lachlan Hansen, Scott Thompson, Shane Mumford, Alipate Carlile, Tyrone Vickery, Jayden Post, Ben McEvoy, Jesse White, Nic Naitanui and Eric Mackenzie are all players I would have before Hampson and Goldstein.
Sam Fisher was taken with Pick #55.
Sam Gilbert started playing Aussie Rules at the age of 14. Hardly all his life. :rolleyes:
Kurt Tippett, Mitch Clark, Lachie Henderson, Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Ryder, Tayte Pears, Michael Hurley, Scott Gumbleton, Cale Hooker, Nathan Brown, Tom Hawkins, Beau Dowler, Max Bailey, Jack Watts, Stefan Martin, Matthew Warnock, Lachlan Hansen, Scott Thompson, Shane Mumford, Alipate Carlile, Tyrone Vickery, Jayden Post, Ben McEvoy, Jesse White, Nic Naitanui and Eric Mackenzie are all players I would have before Hampson and Goldstein.
Ok so Gilbert played 4 years of footy before being drafted. This is exactly the type of player we should look at. A late bloomer, who has huge potential.
Ok I will break that list down.
Henderson, has shown glimpses to suggest he will be good.
Cale Hooker I think will develop into a good honest player, but not as good as the other two.
Nathan Brown- 1 good season, now a VFL player.
Beau Dowler- do not rate
Max Bailey- Talented, but he has had like 4 knee reconstructions.
Scott Thompson- 23 and a half.
Eric Mackenzie. Do not rate, can stop but cannot kick at all.
Smyth94
24 Oct 2009, 17:09
Ok so Gilbert played 4 years of footy before being drafted. This is exactly the type of player we should look at. A late bloomer, who has huge potential.
Ok I will break that list down.
Henderson, has shown glimpses to suggest he will be good.
Cale Hooker I think will develop into a good honest player, but not as good as the other two.
Nathan Brown- 1 good season, now a VFL player.
Beau Dowler- do not rate
Max Bailey- Talented, but he has had like 4 knee reconstructions.
Scott Thompson- 23 and a half.
Eric Mackenzie. Do not rate, can stop but cannot kick at all.
There's that word...potential..UPSIDE!!!!11
Lol at your list as well - Nathan Brown is a gun and would walk into Essendon's line up.
Cale Hooker has shown just as much as most KPP in his age group
Dowler will become a very solid player.
How about we look at players who can kick, handpass and know where to run instead of being able to jump 5ft
Mrs Mercuri
24 Oct 2009, 21:27
Im liking the idea of Troy Taylor as well.... any chance he will last to our pick #24 or should the club take a risk and pick him up at #10??
There will definately be sliders in this draft... if only Tapscott was one of them. Would love to see this boy in red and black next year but seems certain to be in Port colours.
kelvin_sheedy
24 Oct 2009, 21:36
:eek::eek: wow..
Stefan Martin one of the top 20 KPP prospects. He's 23 and not that good. Heck I'll take a stab and say he won't be playing AFL in 3 years.
From the general bigfooty perspective it seems that we are a chance of either Lucas Tapscott or Rohan sliding to us as KPF is likely to be picked up by Port and rumours that Jetta to Wce at 7.
Out of these who would you ideally prefer?
EFL Boy
24 Oct 2009, 23:57
Lucas.
Not overly fussed on Tapscott, I'd take Lucas is a second, then Rohan.
So we are hoping for something along the lines of this
Melb:Trengrove
2Melb:Scully
3Rich:Martin
4Freo:Morabitto
5NM:Cunnington
6.Syd:Rohan
7.WC:Jetta
PA: Butcher
PA: Tapscott
US: Lucas :thumbsu:
Mrs Mercuri
25 Oct 2009, 11:45
Yep would be great if Lucas slipped through to us, pretty good dilemma for the Eagles to have; Jetta or Lucas!
knightwheelrqr
25 Oct 2009, 12:06
Assumed:
JACK TRENGOVE
TOM SCULLY
DUSTIN MARTIN
ANTHONY MORABITO
BEN CUNNINGTON
JOHN BUTCHER
KANE LUCAS
GARY ROHAN
LUKE TAPSCOTT
are all gone by pick 10. who do you pick?
Clearly if Lewis Jetta goes at Pick 7. Then someone like Tapscott will drop to #10 and you can snag him.
But if these top 9 picks are all gone who do you go with?
Personally I like Troy Taylor because he could become something.
Other options Lewis Jetta (You already have one Jetta and don't consider him in your best 22, so I can's see this Jetta being there either).
Daniel Talia (Best key defender in the draft)
Jake Carlisle (Key position player can play either end)
Brad Sheppard (Running defender)
Kobe Stevens (Hard at it mid, considered to be in the 12-20 range, bit overrated on bigfooty)
Jake Melksham (Had a great grand final, but not a top 10 quality guy)
Andrew Moore (Utility)
Aaron Black (Late blooming key position player)
Nathan Vardy (Big bodied ruckman, though not more 25 quality than top 10, will go around pick 18 most likely)
Ryan Bastinac (Damaging disposal, more top 15-25 range)
Allen Christiansen (Could be available at pick 24, rate him a prospect who would go around pick 21)
Jack Fitzpatrick (Work in progress ruck prospect. Athletic)
Ben Griffiths (Monster key position player)
Mitch Duncan (Half forward flanker with good skills)
Just interested to know who Essendon supporters would want in this likely scenario.
bombersno1
25 Oct 2009, 12:12
Midfielder OR Talia, take your pick. Talia can play both ends anyway. My personal opinion is we should take Christensen at 10.
EFL Boy
25 Oct 2009, 12:15
How many threads do we need on this?
Ben the Gooner
25 Oct 2009, 12:25
Worst thread ever.
:eek::eek: wow..
Stefan Martin one of the top 20 KPP prospects. He's 23 and not that good. Heck I'll take a stab and say he won't be playing AFL in 3 years.:eek: I didn't realise that until now.
Wow, considering he's older than Buddy, he's suddenly a lot less impressive.
How many threads do we need on this?I'll add it to the pile.
Skeeta Olly
25 Oct 2009, 17:49
I'll add it to the pile.
Suddenly everyone thinks that they're an Inspectorman.
Suddenly everyone thinks that they're an Inspectorman.There can be only one. :(
Nt Bomber
26 Oct 2009, 08:22
Im liking the idea of Troy Taylor as well.... any chance he will last to our pick #24 or should the club take a risk and pick him up at #10??
There will definately be sliders in this draft... if only Tapscott was one of them. Would love to see this boy in red and black next year but seems certain to be in Port colours.
Have you ever seen Troy Taylor play? Very overrated player. You would be a complete idiot to take him at pick 10
bombersno1
26 Oct 2009, 09:55
Have you ever seen Troy Taylor play? Very overrated player. You would be a complete idiot to take him at pick 10
Agreed, an "in between" player. Might be a decent get at 24 or 26, but I would not take him at pick 10.
Does anyone have footage of Troy Taylor
Does anyone else think Bastinac is worthy of being selected with pick 10, assuming of course that Cunnington, Lucas and Tapscott are taken before hand?
bombersno1
26 Oct 2009, 20:34
Does anyone else think Bastinac is worthy of being selected with pick 10, assuming of course that Cunnington, Lucas and Tapscott are taken before hand?
Depends, I would rather "punt" on him being available in the 2nd round at 24 or 26. Good player though.
I am confused about how posters are rating Troy Taylor without any video footage.
So outside of posters who attend TAC Games or come from Alice Springs - Who has watched Taylor play football ?