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bomber39
14 Oct 2009, 10:40
Source: www.essendonfc.com.au (http://www.essendonfc.com.au)
Here are the list changes so far:
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2009 departures:
Senior listed players: Matthew Lloyd, Scott Lucas, Andrew Lovett, Jay Nash, Hayden Skipworth, John Williams.
Rookies: Rhys Magin, Tom German, Bryce Carroll, Kade Klemke.
2009 arrivals:
Mark Williams, selections No.10, 24, 26, 33.
Sad to see Skippy go, body obviously couldnt cope. Does pave way for Jesse Smith if we can grab him? Any thoughts. Hope ive done this right by sourcing the website first.
Cheers.
Jonesy1987
14 Oct 2009, 10:52
Hmmm... I guess we'll use a PSD pick then:thumbsu:
Longy413
14 Oct 2009, 11:04
Hmmm... I guess we'll use a PSD pick then:thumbsu:
Nope.
We only have four spots. Lloyd was outside the primary list.
He doesn't free up a spot on the primary list, but does free up a rookie spot.
Lucas, Nash, Skipworth, Lovett, Williams out.
Williams and four picks in.
Mrs Mercuri
14 Oct 2009, 11:11
so we dont get a pick in the PSD..... that kinda sucks. Would rather that than an extra rookie.
Kaiser Powser
14 Oct 2009, 11:37
Considering Lloyd frees up a rookie spot, i'm a bit surprised they cleared out so many rookies. They must have shown bugger-all. Magin was probably flawed by his size, but he seemed to have a good head. I have not seen the others, Klemke was AA U18? and German was a tough mid from reports.
They must expect to get some decent talent deep into the draft pool, which seems to go against what everyone has been saying.
Big Blow Hard
14 Oct 2009, 11:40
Nope.
We only have four spots. Lloyd was outside the primary list.
He doesn't free up a spot on the primary list, but does free up a rookie spot.
Lucas, Nash, Skipworth, Lovett, Williams out.
Williams and four picks in.
Why was Lloyd outside the primary list? I thought his veteran status only covered salary cap, not list numbers.
Pevers-Legend
14 Oct 2009, 11:52
Why was Lloyd outside the primary list? I thought his veteran status only covered salary cap, not list numbers.
For every player you put on the veterans list, it is one less Rookie you can obtain. So in theory - your total list size stays fixed, it is just how many senior listed players you have that can vary.
Big Blow Hard
14 Oct 2009, 12:04
For every player you put on the veterans list, it is one less Rookie you can obtain. So in theory - your total list size stays fixed, it is just how many senior listed players you have that can vary.
Ok, thankyou.
Slattery_20
14 Oct 2009, 12:36
Considering Lloyd frees up a rookie spot, i'm a bit surprised they cleared out so many rookies. They must have shown bugger-all. Magin was probably flawed by his size, but he seemed to have a good head. I have not seen the others, Klemke was AA U18? and German was a tough mid from reports.
They must expect to get some decent talent deep into the draft pool, which seems to go against what everyone has been saying.
Pick 33 isn't that deep, considering we've recently had good gets from pick 40 and 50-odd. Even if it is only 3/4 the talent pool.
donAthon
14 Oct 2009, 13:05
When we talk about the Talent Pool, how deep is this.
Normally in the draft period we would love to have as many first and second picks as possible.
10, 24, 26, 33 brilliant, not as good as 2006. But easily 2nd best in my opinion.
My question is quite relevant to this. Pick 10 will be of decent skills, easily. But will 24, 26, 33 gaurantee someone who has the ability by recruiting standards to be list worthy consideration?
does the pool go out to 30 or does it end at 40.
I have heard some people say 30 are worth the pick up and some saying 40 are worth pickup.
If thats the case is #33 going to be another Hird Situation:)???
Thanks
Slattery_20
14 Oct 2009, 13:22
When we talk about the Talent Pool, how deep is this.
Normally in the draft period we would love to have as many first and second picks as possible.
10, 24, 26, 33 brilliant, not as good as 2006. But easily 2nd best in my opinion.
My question is quite relevant to this. Pick 10 will be of decent skills, easily. But will 24, 26, 33 gaurantee someone who has the ability by recruiting standards to be list worthy consideration?
does the pool go out to 30 or does it end at 40.
I have heard some people say 30 are worth the pick up and some saying 40 are worth pickup.
If thats the case is #33 going to be another Hird Situation:)???
Thanks
As far as I know, it's just thinner all up... there are normally a few good players taken at 40 or 50 - maybe this year that's equivalent to 30 or 40.
They're all just making informed guesses though, who knows how talent is going to come on. I don't think the team with pick 41 are going to forfeit their pick because the talent pool ended a pick before.
Have a look at some of the players we've got after pick 40 - Lonergan, Hocking, Reimers, Hooker, Welsh, Hille(?) from memory. This year, that may be the sort of level of pick 30
donAthon
14 Oct 2009, 13:49
Im really impressed with these picks (Longergan, Reimers and Hooker)
I think Reimers possesses star qualities
I think Longergan possess the type of player essendon need depth wise. Hard, motivated and drilled to excute the gameplan.
Hooker is someone that looks to be very good for a wirey frame.
As far as Hocking, Welsh and Hille goes.
Well Hille is probally the best out of all the players mentioned top 3 ruckman in the comp whne fit.
Welsh has been servicable and played some big shutdown jobs, occasionally chipped in some handy goals. Not a star though a very good player. Similar to a mcveigh, but when Mcveigh is on the ball hes very hard to stop and motivates everyone on the field.
Hocking has been decent in the middle, not sure if hes the type to take you to a flag with watson in the side. We can only have one slow bloke, we cant possible have Hocking + Watson played in the side on the same given time. A great Depth player that should be played in the VFL whilst watsons fit.
Houli also pick 42 and he has potential.
So no Smith? unlucky unless we rookie him :rolleyes:
Ben the Gooner
14 Oct 2009, 16:05
I'd swap Atkinson for a crack at Buckley in the PSD.
Big Blow Hard
14 Oct 2009, 16:11
I'd swap Atkinson for a crack at Buckley in the PSD.
Unless you mean a reincarnate of Nathan Buckley, then no thankyou. Atkinson will play a much bigger role next season, despite the misgivings.
He potentially has the gamebreaking ability of Lovett.
Ben the Gooner
14 Oct 2009, 16:14
Simon Buckley's a far superior player to Atkinson.
Big Blow Hard
14 Oct 2009, 16:17
Simon Buckley's a far superior player to Atkinson.
Agree to disagree. Buckley was just average at best.
Ben the Gooner
14 Oct 2009, 16:20
Buckley was just average at best.
So you agree with me?
edstar10
14 Oct 2009, 16:25
i would rather velenti than buckley, he is a proven ball winner and is quick with great poise.
he is similar to mitchell or vince.
bombersno1
14 Oct 2009, 16:53
i would rather velenti than buckley, he is a proven ball winner and is quick with great poise.
he is similar to mitchell or vince.
Except he is a turnover merchant. Do not want, too slow for our gameplan as well. Will suit a gameplan that is not like ours- i.e Sydney.
hollywood23
14 Oct 2009, 18:02
may as well get rid of bellchambers whilst we're at it..if the coach doesn't have the confidence to play him in a final and chooses lovett murray as a ruckman ahead of him, what the fck is he doing here. Honestly, he is a hack. would rather pick up a decent player in the psd then have this guy on our list. Has shown us NOTHING
Unless you mean a reincarnate of Nathan Buckley, then no thankyou. Atkinson will play a much bigger role next season, despite the misgivings.
He potentially has the gamebreaking ability of Lovett.
Not even close. Just because Atkinson can run fast doesn't mean he has that level of ability. In fact one of Atkinson's biggest hurdles will be the fact he simply doesn't have a good footy brain.
Atkinson's most common trick at VFL level was to get the ball, dash out of the fifty and proceed to kick it to the opposition (or at the very least, an unfavourable contest). And if you ignore the hype of his last few game of this season, you will see he did it at AFL level during those games as well.
I hope he improves and becomes a best 22 player, but based on potential I can't see it happening.
Ben the Gooner
14 Oct 2009, 18:56
you will see he did it at AFL level during those games as well.
That's if he was lucky enough to get a kick off.:eek:
Duckworth
14 Oct 2009, 20:36
So no Smith? unlucky unless we rookie him :rolleyes:
Smith could nominate for the ND. He would probably still be there at pick 33 if Essendon wanted him.
Darealrath
14 Oct 2009, 21:22
Dead set if you're getting delisted by the dees you must be struggling. Would like us to go for Smith though. I was at that semi final when he carved up the hawks. Punts like that can win flags, and we'll need a few things to go our way to win it all in what will soon be an 18 team comp.
Giggidy Giggidy
15 Oct 2009, 07:55
may as well get rid of bellchambers whilst we're at it..if the coach doesn't have the confidence to play him in a final and chooses lovett murray as a ruckman ahead of him, what the fck is he doing here. Honestly, he is a hack. would rather pick up a decent player in the psd then have this guy on our list. Has shown us NOTHING
Yeah, a 20 year old developing ruckman with a developing body who has already managed 9 senior matches should definitely be delisted. After all, we've got so many other ruck options.... :rolleyes:
Slattery_20
15 Oct 2009, 08:38
may as well get rid of bellchambers whilst we're at it..if the coach doesn't have the confidence to play him in a final and chooses lovett murray as a ruckman ahead of him, what the fck is he doing here. Honestly, he is a hack. would rather pick up a decent player in the psd then have this guy on our list. Has shown us NOTHING
Didn't get to the first Hawks game this year?
Belly will hopefully be a decent option for us, but his time hasn't really come yet.
Occawog
15 Oct 2009, 10:32
may as well get rid of bellchambers whilst we're at it..if the coach doesn't have the confidence to play him in a final and chooses lovett murray as a ruckman ahead of him, what the fck is he doing here. Honestly, he is a hack. would rather pick up a decent player in the psd then have this guy on our list. Has shown us NOTHING
Obviously you walk around with your head where the sun don't shine.
Knights made a decision not to play a ruckman for reasons other than Bellchambers ability. Belly needs some time under the wing of our No1 ruckman Hille. To write him iff as a hack this early in the piece shows you have no idea about the club and the game.
Sniping up and commers shows you are a fringe supporter.
ghostdog
15 Oct 2009, 10:52
Not even close. Just because Atkinson can run fast doesn't mean he has that level of ability. In fact one of Atkinson's biggest hurdles will be the fact he simply doesn't have a good footy brain.
Atkinson's most common trick at VFL level was to get the ball, dash out of the fifty and proceed to kick it to the opposition (or at the very least, an unfavourable contest). And if you ignore the hype of his last few game of this season, you will see he did it at AFL level during those games as well.
I hope he improves and becomes a best 22 player, but based on potential I can't see it happening.
So Atkinson has kicking issues. For every running shot at goal Lovett had he had another that hit the post or went for a point.
Atkinson can run fast but also has the ability to shrug tackles. He attacks the game from half-back as per game plan, and when he pushes up the ground his support play is terrific... and he can kick a goal. I agree that he needs practice hitting targets, but so did Dyson, and if we're talking about the potential to be a player in the same game breaking ilk as Lovett then Atkinson has that in spades, largely due to his pace.
I think you can tell when Atko plays, he wants to be there. That in itself puts him ahead of Lovett.
stugots
15 Oct 2009, 11:02
may as well get rid of bellchambers whilst we're at it..if the coach doesn't have the confidence to play him in a final and chooses lovett murray as a ruckman ahead of him, what the fck is he doing here. Honestly, he is a hack. would rather pick up a decent player in the psd then have this guy on our list. Has shown us NOTHING
when will you clowns get your head around teh fact that big guys sometimes/often take time to develop?
get an understanding of the game before posting such drivel
BIGFELLA11
19 Oct 2009, 10:20
Does anyone know if anyone else will get delisted?
jade_00
19 Oct 2009, 10:37
Well the club has until the end of the month to finalise its list pre-draft, but I would think they are done delisting players.
The club has stated that they're done. Four picks in the National Draft; replacing Lucas, Skipworth, Williams and Nash.
eth-dog
19 Oct 2009, 15:29
The club has stated that they're done. Four picks in the National Draft; replacing Lucas, Skipworth, Lovett and Nash.
I think you mean him Whomb ;)
I think you mean him Whomb ;)Nope, I meant John Williams. Lovett's departure was 'cancelled out' by Mark Williams' arrival.
essendon2008
20 Oct 2009, 06:08
Well the positive of John Williams being delisted is there won't be any more confusion between him and Mark. :p
Slattery_20
20 Oct 2009, 06:44
Well the positive of John Williams being delisted is there won't be any more confusion between him and Mark. :p
They all look the same
eth-dog
23 Oct 2009, 13:13
Nope, I meant John Williams. Lovett's departure was 'cancelled out' by Mark Williams' arrival.
whoops, you should have put J in front of the williams :o
Dont get me wrong. I think Willams is a GREAT player that we picked up, HOWEVER, in saying that, i would have preferred to get a pick for someone young. I really want to just rebuild into a premiership side.
timbo3195
28 Oct 2009, 19:41
Dont get me wrong. I think Willams is a GREAT player that we picked up, HOWEVER, in saying that, i would have preferred to get a pick for someone young. I really want to just rebuild into a premiership side.
Being the player that he is, he would still be productive in 3-5 years as he is currently 26 years old. How long do you want to wait for that premiership to be upon us?
Being the player that he is, he would still be productive in 3-5 years as he is currently 26 years old. How long do you want to wait for that premiership to be upon us?
The hawks and geelong took like 7 years to build the list they have now? We a bit far away from one yet so may as well keep building..