Great Established Football Culture on The Gold Coast

[Lifes a Beach]

Have to squash the misconception being spun constantly through media and BF that we don't have a solid AFL grass roots culture on the Gold Coast. We do and it (via Gold Coast Stingrays)has produced more AFL listed players than most TAC cup sides, has dominated the state championships and Southport has dominated the QAFL (as it is called now).It is the reason we have been granted a licence.Forget the K Hunt & Rookie search side shows they are there to appease the constant thirst for news.We are here to give competiton to the Lions and those in Qld know that Brisabne already hate the Coast you only have to attend any level of footy to experience the rivalry.

[Stereophonic]

I must admit I thought this was a troll when I first opened it and expected to be trimming fat in 30 seconds flat, but I was pleasantly surprised and I think that it does go unoticed exactly how much talent comes from the GC considering there is one AFL team in QLD.

[PumpyChowdown]

There's been a continuous comp in Qld since 1904.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Queensland_State_League#Premiers_by_Year

Footy in Qld was first established in 1866!

http://www.qldfooty.com/19th-Century.html

I moved from Victoria to the Gold Coast in 1981 and the Gold Coast local league was always strong and popular, even back then. The Papua New Guinea national team used to tour each year, and they'd get 4,000 - 5,000 people to watch them play Palm Beach-Currumbin every year!

Not to mention with 1,500 people moving to South East Qld every week, a vast amount of them being Victorians and South Australians, the GCFC should do very well.

[fairdinkum]

Not to mention with 1,500 people moving to South East Qld every week, a vast amount of them being Victorians and South Australians, the GCFC should do very well.

Any stats to back you up, bro?

[PumpyChowdown]

Any stats to back you up, bro?

I'm sure I could did some up if I wanted but I don't need to. I grew up on the Coast and now live in Brisbane. My work means I meet and interview many, many South East Queenslanders. I know that a great many of them are from Victoria, SA etc.

[fairdinkum]

I'm sure I could did some up if I wanted but I don't need to. I grew up on the Coast and now live in Brisbane. My work means I meet and interview many, many South East Queenslanders. I know that a great many of them are from Victoria, SA etc.

Yeah, didn't think you had any stats to back you up. You are just peddling the same, old, disproved myths.

Take a look at these figures (http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/ViewData?breadcrumb=POLTD&method=Place%20of%20Usual%20Residence&subaction=-1&issue=2006&producttype=Census%20Tables&documentproductno=LGA33460&textversion=false&documenttype=Details&collection=Census&javascript=true&topic=Migration%20-%20Internal&action=404&productlabel=Place%20of%20Usual%20Residence%205%20Years%20Ag o%20by%20Age%20by%20Sex&order=1&period=2006&tabname=Details&areacode=LGA33460&navmapdisplayed=true&) from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

You will find that, of the 171,000 people who moved to the Gold Coast from another part of Australia in the five years prior to 2006 (the year of the most recent census), 120,000 (more than two-thirds) came from another part of Queensland.

From Victoria and South Australia, only 10,000 and 2,500 people respectively moved to the Gold Coast, representing less than 8% of all arrivals (and less than 3% of the entire population of the area).

Thus it is likely that the 'vast amount' you spoke of actually amounts to less than 10% of all new arrivals.

:o

[mediumsizered]

Yeah, didn't think you had any stats to back you up. You are just peddling the same, old, disproved myths.

Take a look at these figures (http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/ViewData?breadcrumb=POLTD&method=Place%20of%20Usual%20Residence&subaction=-1&issue=2006&producttype=Census%20Tables&documentproductno=LGA33460&textversion=false&documenttype=Details&collection=Census&javascript=true&topic=Migration%20-%20Internal&action=404&productlabel=Place%20of%20Usual%20Residence%205%20Years%20Ag o%20by%20Age%20by%20Sex&order=1&period=2006&tabname=Details&areacode=LGA33460&navmapdisplayed=true&) from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

You will find that, of the 171,000 people who moved to the Gold Coast from another part of Australia in the five years prior to 2006 (the year of the most recent census), 120,000 (more than two-thirds) came from another part of Queensland.

From Victoria and South Australia, only 10,000 and 2,500 people respectively moved to the Gold Coast, representing less than 8% of all arrivals (and less than 3% of the entire population of the area).

Thus it is likely that the 'vast amount' you spoke of actually amounts to less than 10% of all new arrivals.

:o

The numbers are not huge, but Victorians & South Australians are passionate about their football in a way that New South Welshmen & Qlders do not come close to matching, when it comes to Rugby League.

My experience, living here on the Coast, is that there is enough interest in Aussie Rules from locals to ensure AFL games played on the Coast from 2011 onwards will have a very healthy patronage, particularly with a totally refurbished stadium coming on-line during 2011. The spectators won't all be paid up Gold Coast members, but they will turn up in healthy numbers just to watch AFL football live.

[fairdinkum]

The numbers are not huge, but Victorians & South Australians are passionate about their football in a way that New South Welshmen & Qlders do not come close to matching, when it comes to Rugby League.

My experience, living here on the Coast, is that there is enough interest in Aussie Rules from locals to ensure AFL games played on the Coast from 2011 onwards will have a very healthy patronage, particularly with a totally refurbished stadium coming on-line during 2011. The spectators won't all be paid up Gold Coast members, but they will turn up in healthy numbers just to watch AFL football live.

You make some good points, MS.

:thumbsu:

However, I'm not here to debate any of that.

The poster I replied to pedaled the old myth about Victorians moving to the GC in droves, and all I wanted to do was explain to him the inaccuracy of his claims.

I'm not saying the GC won't get support (or, at least, I haven't come to the GC board to do so). But blatant misinformation regarding empirical facts deserves to be refuted.

[PumpyChowdown]

Yeah, didn't think you had any stats to back you up. You are just peddling the same, old, disproved myths.

Take a look at these figures (http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/ViewData?breadcrumb=POLTD&method=Place%20of%20Usual%20Residence&subaction=-1&issue=2006&producttype=Census%20Tables&documentproductno=LGA33460&textversion=false&documenttype=Details&collection=Census&javascript=true&topic=Migration%20-%20Internal&action=404&productlabel=Place%20of%20Usual%20Residence%205%20Years%20Ag o%20by%20Age%20by%20Sex&order=1&period=2006&tabname=Details&areacode=LGA33460&navmapdisplayed=true&) from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

You will find that, of the 171,000 people who moved to the Gold Coast from another part of Australia in the five years prior to 2006 (the year of the most recent census), 120,000 (more than two-thirds) came from another part of Queensland.

From Victoria and South Australia, only 10,000 and 2,500 people respectively moved to the Gold Coast, representing less than 8% of all arrivals (and less than 3% of the entire population of the area).

Thus it is likely that the 'vast amount' you spoke of actually amounts to less than 10% of all new arrivals.

:o

Here is a report from the Qld Goverment showing annual arrivals from each state every year starting from 1986 - 1987.

http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/queensland-by-theme/demography/migration/tables/interstate-arrivals-qld-state-depart/index.shtml

Adding the number of Victorian, South Australia, Western Australian and Tasmanian immigrants gives a total of 917,519 new Queenslanders during the 22 years of the survey from predominately AFL states.

With South East Queensland comprimising of Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and West Moreton; in 2007 that was a total population or 2.77 million out of Queenslands total of 4.182 million, or 66%. Exactly two thirds of the entire state population.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/1318.3Main%20Features3Feb%202009

Referring back to the southern and western Australian immigrants to Queensland since 1986 - 87 of 917,519 and multiplying by 66% gives us a total of 605,562 immigrants from AFL states to South East Queensland in the last 22 years.

Now I acknowledge that these are GROSS and not NET figures, but it does give you some empirical statistical evidence of the evolving demographic of south east Queensland and the validity of a second team in the south east corner. ;)

[fairdinkum]

Now I acknowledge that these are GROSS and not NET figures, but it does give you some empirical statistical evidence of the evolving demographic of south east Queensland and the validity of a second team in the south east corner. ;)

Not sure exactly how any of this refutes the evidence I gave earlier.

As I said, based on data from 2006, it is unlikely that any more than 10% of new arrivals from within Australia into the GC are from Vic or SA. Even when you throw WA, Tas and the NT into this mix, you are still left with well under 15% of new arrivals coming from AFL states.

The majority of internal immigration to the GC is from Rugby states -- indeed, almost two-thirds of people who move to the GC do so from another part of Queensland!

[PumpyChowdown]

Not sure exactly how any of this refutes the evidence I gave earlier.



605,562 immigrants from AFL states to South East Queensland in the last 22 years.

That's a fairly significant number, no matter how you want to spin it. Wouldn't you agree?

[fairdinkum]

605,562 immigrants from AFL states to South East Queensland in the last 22 years.

And how many of those people still remain?

Anyhow, your stats in no way invalidate the ones I put forward earlier. <15% of new arrivals from within Australia to the GC right now (not 20 years ago) are from AFL states. No 'spin' necessary. These are cold, hard figures provided by the ABS. You can either accept that or you can try to refute it. At best, you are arguing past me.

If you want to talk about how many people in the Gold Coast were ever from another (or a specific) part of Aus, then that is another matter. However, the least you can do is find net figures, and then provide comparisons to give context. For instance, it would not surprise me to learn that there were 1,000,000 people from NSW/QLD who moved to Vic in the same 20-year period as the one about which you are talking. And yet, we see barely enough support for one NRL team, let alone two.

[PumpyChowdown]

I'm not going to be dragged into a futile argument with you if you cannot see and acknowledge the facts presented to you. The percentage of people that are from AFL states counts for little. It's the raw numbers that count.

No, I'm not going to do a net analysis because I couldn't be arsed wasting my time on it, I've already spent far too long showing you facts and figures from equally credible governement sources.

>it would not surprise me to learn that there were 1,000,000 people from NSW/QLD who moved to Vic in the same 20-year period

Impossible. No one from NSW or Qld would move to Victoria unless it was work related. It's a shithole down there. :p

[fairdinkum]

The percentage of people that are from AFL states counts for little. It's the raw numbers that count.

This is why it pays to read entire threads before commenting. The poster I replied to had made a comment pertaining to ratios rather than absolute numbers, and it was this error I was correcting.

As for the importance of 'raw' numbers, I am even happy to debate this with you but, as I said, you'd need to provide some further statistics if you are going to make a plausible argument. The number of people who moved from Vic to QLD in 1995 and may have since left is hardly strong evidence for your case.

No, I'm not going to do a net analysis because I couldn't be arsed wasting my time on it

Thought so.

:o

[CoastBhoy]

This is why it pays to read entire threads before commenting. The poster I replied to had made a comment pertaining to ratios rather than absolute numbers, and it was this error I was correcting.

As for the importance of 'raw' numbers, I am even happy to debate this with you but, as I said, you'd need to provide some further statistics if you are going to make a plausible argument. The number of people who moved from Vic to QLD in 1995 and may have since left is hardly strong evidence for your case.



Thought so.

:o

Champ , are you a only child ??

[fairdinkum]

Champ , are you a only child ??

How many children do you know who can look up Australian Bureau of Statistics websites to find specific data in order to correct fellow posters on internet forums who mistakenly buy into long-disproved myths?

I would guess the answer is 'none', champ. :thumbsu:

[CoastBhoy]

How many children do you know who can look up Australian Bureau of Statistics websites to find specific data in order to correct fellow posters on internet forums who mistakenly buy into long-disproved myths?

I would guess the answer is 'none', champ. :thumbsu:


Mate never known someone come onto this forum and 'debate" bullshit for so long.

[fairdinkum]

Mate never known someone come onto this forum and 'debate" bullshit for so long.

If you look through my posts in this thread objectively, you will see that I clearly attempted to be polite and benevolent whilst at the same time informative. I certainly did not come here with intention to cause offense.

I have made (and defended) my point and, since it seems some people may be upset about it, I shall let the matter go.

Peace.

:thumbsu:

[SwampCreature]

Let's all argue about numbers

[PumpyChowdown]

Let's all argue about numbers

Nah, last time that happened things got ugly and 7 ate 9. :D