View Full Version : Burt Cockley called into Australian side.....no joke!
superfreak
6 Nov 2009, 07:45
If ever their is evidence of NSW bias on the selection committee then this has to be it. Burt Cockley. You have to be kidding! I cant wait to see who they call up next!
That leaves just 13 current NSW contracted players that have yet to dust off their Australian cap given to them when they signed their Cricket NSW contract.
As it stands
Already capped…..
Doug Bollinger
Nathan Bracken
Beau Casson
Stuart Clark
Michael Clarke
Burt Cockley
Brad Haddin
Nathan Hauritz
Moises Henriques
Phillip Hughes
Phil Jaques
Simon Katich
Brett Lee
David Warner
Shane Watson
Soon to be capped…….
Aaron Bird
Mark Cameron
Peter Forrest
Josh Hazlewood
Usman Khawaja
Grant Lambert
Greg Mail
Peter Nevill
Stephen O’keefe
Ben Rohrer
Daniel Smith
Steven Smith
Dominic Thornely
The joke continues!
This would have to be the biggest joke of a selection ever. he has played 4 domestic games for 5 wickets at 39.40 and 4 of those wickets came in one game.
What happened to Geeves, Nannes, Harwood, Noffke, Magoffin?
Apart from being from NSW, anyone know exactly what he did to attract the selector's attention?
Reporters must be clamoring to get a quote from Hodgey over this one... :D
While I would agree that this is a strange move, it was also strange that Holland was picked. I would be very surprised if Cockley played but if he has been someone who they identified as been a future player, then let him have a bit of a taste.
If you look at the list of players from NSW who have played for Australia I would like you to tell me which ones will never play again (i.e Casson) and which were not worth their spot. Casson when he was picked had come off a good performance in the shield final and being a wrist spinner was someone who would be worth a go, it didn't work and Australia moved, similarly with McGain.
NSW are in a very fortutious position having so many Australian contracted players they can bring through talented players so much easier because the incumbants are off playing for Australia so much. On the list of those who havent played for Australia, Steven Smith will, Khawaja may.
aussie1st
6 Nov 2009, 11:23
He seems to have massive raps on him and he bowls very similar to Siddle. Hes one of those confidence bowlers, when he gets it wrong he goes for plenty but when he gets it well hes unplayable. It is random but really hes just there to get experience and a free trip to India. The only other guy in a similar position would be Cutting but you don't hear his name around the media as much.
fraser25
6 Nov 2009, 11:55
If ever their is evidence of NSW bias on the selection committee then this has to be it. Burt Cockley. You have to be kidding! I cant wait to see who they call up next!
That leaves just 13 current NSW contracted players that have yet to dust off their Australian cap given to them when they signed their Cricket NSW contract.
As it stands
Already capped…..
Doug Bollinger
Nathan Bracken
Beau Casson
Stuart Clark
Michael Clarke
Burt Cockley
Brad Haddin
Nathan Hauritz
Moises Henriques
Phillip Hughes
Phil Jaques
Simon Katich
Brett Lee
David Warner
Shane Watson
Soon to be capped…….
Aaron Bird
Mark Cameron
Peter Forrest
Josh Hazlewood
Usman Khawaja
Grant Lambert
Greg Mail
Peter Nevill
Stephen O’keefe
Ben Rohrer
Daniel Smith
Steven Smith
Dominic Thornely
The joke continues!
How many of them were undeserved.
NSW were just crowned world champions anyway, while the Vics wilted under the big tournament pressure. Perhaps NSW players are just made of tougher stuff.
Gee whiz you guys are stupid when it comes to state loyalty. Who gives a stuff where they come from as long as they can play? And Cockley can play, a real talent.
legend166
6 Nov 2009, 15:19
Let's go through this list:
Doug Bollinger - Deserves his cap.
Nathan Bracken - Deserved his cap. Was our best one day bowler for a couple of years.
Beau Casson - Not many other spinners were knocking down the door. He was treated like rubbish anyway.
Stuart Clark - Obviously deserves his place.
Michael Clarke - VC, speaks for itself.
Burt Cockley - Don't know much about him. Could be a dodgy choice.
Brad Haddin - Best batsman/keeper in the country.
Nathan Hauritz - Seems to have come good. Place is deserved.
Moises Henriques - I agree with this. Not up to it.
Phillip Hughes - Obvious gun.
Phil Jaques - Another obvious gun.
Simon Katich - The Kat > every other state.
Brett Lee - One of our best one day bowlers ever. Good test bowler. Obviously deserved his place when he had it.
David Warner - Deserved his 20/20 spot. Hasn't done much else.
Shane Watson - Wasn't even playing for NSW when picked.
The NSW jealously has to stop guys. Just because we're the best cricketing state, doesn't mean you should hate us. It's all for the common good!
Let's go through this list:
Doug Bollinger - Deserves his cap.
Nathan Bracken - Deserved his cap. Was our best one day bowler for a couple of years.
Beau Casson - Not many other spinners were knocking down the door. He was treated like rubbish anyway.
Stuart Clark - Obviously deserves his place.
Michael Clarke - VC, speaks for itself.
Burt Cockley - Don't know much about him. Could be a dodgy choice.
Brad Haddin - Best batsman/keeper in the country.
Nathan Hauritz - Seems to have come good. Place is deserved.
Moises Henriques - I agree with this. Not up to it.
Phillip Hughes - Obvious gun.
Phil Jaques - Another obvious gun.
Simon Katich - The Kat > every other state.
Brett Lee - One of our best one day bowlers ever. Good test bowler. Obviously deserved his place when he had it.
David Warner - Deserved his 20/20 spot. Hasn't done much else.
Shane Watson - Wasn't even playing for NSW when picked.
The NSW jealously has to stop guys. Just because we're the best cricketing state, doesn't mean you should hate us. It's all for the common good!
Great post mate!:thumbsu: Agree 100% that even though the Cockley call was suprising, the rest who have come from NSW are very solid players. It just seems the state knows how to breed world class cricketers, not bias from the Aussie selectors. For example, my state hasnt bred many Aussie cricketers over the past few years because we have been in a massive lull, while NSW has been very successful. It's all relative to success and development, not bias.
Let's go through this list:
Moises Henriques - I agree with this. Not up to it.
I disagree, I think Moises is going to be a very good player, showed in patches at the 20/20 champions league what he will be able to do.
However I would have thought that at this stage Andrew MacDonald would be ahead as the 2nd choice all rounder to Hopes for the one-day side.
Although a bigger issue is the way it is percieved to be easier to get a game as 3 players have moved to NSW to try and improve their chances when it shouldnt matter.
Bradesmaen
6 Nov 2009, 15:41
Yabba is right on that last point, it is perceived that way because guys like Hauritz and Casson have been given games after switching to NSW. Hauritz was given games at QLD, but only after he moved did he get looked at again. There is a disturbing trend of NSW players getting picked for Aus after 1 or 2 good games, while others toil away and have no reward. Henriques was picked because he may be a good player, but has never shown anything yet to say he will definitely be a gun, he needs more time at NSW. Instead of him being picked, why isn't Noffke being picked? Are we saying that we are now only going to play people under 25 if they aren't a mainstay of the squad already? Surely given on recent form Cutting would have been a good pick too if you're going to pick someone at Random. No one has really heard of Cockley, atleast people have heard of Cutting.
Burt Cockleys call up is no more of a joke then Jon Hollands.
You can bag NSW, but atleast they are giving a go to their young talent. By playing Henriques, S Smith, Khawaja, Hughes, Starc etc, they are doing a lot more for Australian Cricket then Victoria.
With Nannes being ignored its obvious the Australian selectors are looking for youth atm, is Victoria providing??
Until the Vics quit with their backward thinking with team selections only being aimed at winning domestic comps, and commit to the Aussie cause, things wont change.
I rekon Steve Smith will be next. He could be the Cam White that Cam White never became!
peternorth
6 Nov 2009, 16:04
should the selectors give the public an outline as to their selection policy? it seems like horses for courses. one moment its youth cause the team is aging, then the next its we need experience. of course the reason is dependant on the player they're picking.
Rocco Jones
6 Nov 2009, 16:19
I don't really get the obsession with selecting players for the future when it comes to cricket. Outside of the ODI World Cup, cricket games fit into mutually exclusive batches of series after series. Is the World Cup really worth 4 years of sacrifice? It, like the value of winning a series, has become so meaningless as well. What matters in cricket, ESPECIALLY ODI's (excluding test series' against the big 3), is today because the game will be forgotten next week.
Our domestic comp is very strong and great for developing future players. Outside of South African and India I would put it at least on par with the rest of the test international cricket scene.
Odd call about Victoria putting winning ahead of playing kids. The reason why NSW plays so many kids is because all their experienced players get picked by Australia (not saying they shouldn't be). If Hodge was picked, he would be replaced by a kid like Hill. We played Holland ahead of McGain in the T20 CL. We gave a chance to McKay ahead of senior players in Wright and Harwood.
Odd call about Victoria putting winning ahead of playing kids. The reason why NSW plays so many kids is because all their experienced players get picked by Australia (not saying they shouldn't be). If Hodge was picked, he would be replaced by a kid like Hill. We played Holland ahead of McGain in the T20 CL. We gave a chance to McKay ahead of senior players in Wright and Harwood.
Why sign Rogers when you got players such as Hill comming through? Why give pommy pattinson a spot ahead of someone who could actually play for Australia?
Not all NSW most experienced players are playing for Aus, and yet so far this season they are playing kids instead of them - Thornely, Lambert, Mail etc
I bet they will try get hazelwood into the team asap 2.
Cockley won't play a game unless things go seriously, seriously bad so I'm not getting the uproar from the Victorians over this (Who I have no doubt made the same amount of noise when Jon Holland got picked....).
Would you have preferred Australia to drag Nannes over to India for him not to play a game?
Jumpin' Jimmy
6 Nov 2009, 17:45
Burt Cockley..... nominated by Tim Neilson's sister Kate? :confused:
Notorious_29
6 Nov 2009, 19:01
Before the ford ranger game the other day had anyone even heard of him before? I know I hadnt.
Not all NSW most experienced players are playing for Aus, and yet so far this season they are playing kids instead of them - Thornely, Lambert, Mail etc
They should play kids! The 3 players used an examples are all crap!
raikkonen
6 Nov 2009, 20:56
Before the ford ranger game the other day had anyone even heard of him before? I know I hadnt.
I still dont even have a clue who he is
They should play kids! The 3 players used an examples are all crap!
Crap compaired to who? They are no worse then players in the Vic FC team last week.
Going by their career FC stats:
Mail > Quiney
Lambert > Pattinson
Thornley > Jewell
Looks like the Vics should be playing kids also then huh?
happy_eagle
6 Nov 2009, 22:18
What happened to the good old days of Old blokes playing ODI's
Back when Jimmy Maher, Martin Love, Michael Bevan, all played alongside each other
There is a percieved issue here with NSW selections as mentioned by Yab.
But in this case I have no problem with it. If Cockley is promising young quick, take him over for cover and have a look at him in the national set up.
If we win the next one, give him and Holland a run in the dead rubber.
The bloke who said Casson was treated like rubbish is dreaming, he did not deserve to be picked, only played because McGill retired, looked nothing like a Test class bowler - and his subsequent performances have validated that. People who say he now bowls badly because he was treated badly then need to understand we do not pick softies who need their hands held to play for Australia. If he was up to it he would have gone back, taken a bag of wickets and demanded a recall.
flamethrower
7 Nov 2009, 14:51
Doesn't surprise me at all. Was told by a current gun Victorian batsman that in his opinion Burt will play ODI or 20/20 for Australia this summer. Looks like he was out by a month.
Doesn't surprise me at all. Was told by a current gun Victorian batsman that in his opinion Burt will play ODI or 20/20 for Australia this summer. Looks like he was out by a month.
Hmmm that's interesting....
wasn't it him (or that other guy cutting) that had already been called up to the squad in an earlier series anyway (against the saffers??)?
seems more like a coincidence than anything. there's an obvious difference between the call-ups for squad depth for seperate types of cricket. if they were playing a test series i doubt cockley would get sent over.
Ill Chicken
9 Nov 2009, 04:37
It is a poor selection but then again the team that has all the performing bowlers is halfway through a game ie QLD.
It is a poor selection but then again the team that has all the performing bowlers is halfway through a game ie QLD.
they pull players out of a state game if needed.
I was a little surprised when they chose Holland to go over in the original squad. But at least he had played some Australia A games and done an ok job. This Cockley bloke has played 5 games and done nothing except for one game this year.
What happened to Geeves who they took to South Africa as a replacement, played a couple of games and been in good form this year.
But as said earlier, it might be a case of he was never going to play, just give him the experience of being in the aussie camp.
What are the chances of Holland getting a game in the dead rubber?
peternorth
9 Nov 2009, 07:55
I was a little surprised when they chose Holland to go over in the original squad. But at least he had played some Australia A games and done an ok job. This Cockley bloke has played 5 games and done nothing except for one game this year.
What happened to Geeves who they took to South Africa as a replacement, played a couple of games and been in good form this year.
But as said earlier, it might be a case of he was never going to play, just give him the experience of being in the aussie camp.
What are the chances of Holland getting a game in the dead rubber?
hopefully holland, mcdonald and cockley get a gig in the final game.
they pull players out of a state game if needed.
Cockley was pulled out of a Shield game half way through, although to be fair the NSW bowlers didn't look like having another part to play at the point.
Not sure what hte fuss about bias is, though. If it were all about NSW, why wouldn't Clark be over there before McKay and Cockley? If you really want to look for conspiracy, Hauritz and Cockley play for the same grade club...