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centrelink1
1 Dec 2009, 23:54
Right, well, I along with many others believe 2012 is the beginning of our window, and our power year etc.
But how do we rate in KPP stocks if we are going to get there. I know Geelong don't have all the best KPP's, which is something to consider, but they are more than serviceable.
Please add to this as i kept it short to avoid copping it for stupid comments (which i inevitably make)
We will have:
Hurley - We all know this guys a star
Pears - Big season for him this year, but he looks good IMO.
Hille - Please, for the love of God, let him stay injury free
Ryder - Enormous asset. Can play Ruck or defense, much like Hurley can play either end.
Carlisle - Jury is still out, considering he hasnt played a game.
Neagle - Big year for him. Not 100% convinced, though I reckon he will make it
Laycock - Must be running out of chances
TBell - Hell get there.
Darcy Daniher - Could really go either way. I hope he comes through.
Gumbleton - Like Hille, lets hope he isn't injured the whole time.
Hooker - Hes gonna be good
Still - Will need him to be good, as he is an imprtant part of our succession plan concering Lucas and Lloyd.
Not worried about our KP stocks down back. Up forward is a bit of a question mark.
Knight Ryders
2 Dec 2009, 08:04
It's mostly very unknown at the moment, although this year could be a very telling year for a couple of players. I think Hooker can end up a very good CHB with his athleticism and willingness to take on the game and if he can hold down this position, it is going to give us a lot more flexibility with the likes of Hurley, Carlisle and Ryder.
The benefit is, some of these guys are going to peaking well into the 2010's.
If Gumbleton, Hurley, Ryder, Pears and Hooker play to the potential we believe they might have, we can build a side around them for the next 10 years.
In 3-4 years time, Essendon will have the best KPP stocks in the competition. I think the best thing about our list of KPPs is that they will all be coming on at the same time. Hurley, Pears, Hooker, Still, Gumbleton, Carlisle, Daniher (and T-Bell in the ruck) all should be entering their prime in 3-5 years.
If our KPF's don't come on as we hope, at least we'll have the best defence going around and at least a serviceable forward line. But I'd like to think between Gumby, Neagle, Still and now Carlisle (and maybe even Daniher), that we'll get a more than serviceable forward line. But even if these names don't come on, I think Hurley will end up forward, and we have definitely seen the last of Ryder in defence. He will rest forward this year and beyond and he will show us in 2010 how dangerous he will be.
Pears is the man... I've been on him for a while! While everyone loves Hurley, This kid is the quiet acheiver in our side, solid as a rock down back, learning everything he can off fletch... Pears WILL be a force in a couple of years, if not next season!
RangaInTeal
2 Dec 2009, 10:16
How is Gumbelton comming along?
Lance Uppercut
2 Dec 2009, 10:18
How is Gumbelton comming along?
fit & firing. A full pre-season under his belt should see him ready to show his wares in the pre-season comp. No underlying issues unresolved as far as we're aware
Hurley - Star
Pears - Star, could be better then Hurley.
Hille - Big questions marks if he can return to 2008 form
Ryder - STAR! Will only get better
Carlisle - Haven't seen him play.
Neagle - Don't think he'll make it
Laycock - On his last legs with Essendon
TBell - Should make it
Darcy Daniher - Not sure about
Gumbleton - Who knows what will happen with him. I'm expecting games from him this year through
Hooker - Not too sure on him.
Still - Will be a gun.
Pears is the man... I've been on him for a while! While everyone loves Hurley, This kid is the quiet acheiver in our side, solid as a rock down back, learning everything he can off fletch... Pears WILL be a force in a couple of years, if not next season!
Agreed Hank, Been on him from his first match im proud to say :D I think you have got one thing wrong however.... He is a force he doesn't need a couple of years
bombermick
2 Dec 2009, 12:51
Gumbleton is the key but after the last couple of years, I'm not going to let myself get my hopes up with him. If he can hold down either FF or CHF, it will release Hurley to CHB where he will form a very good defensive partnership with Pears. Hopefully Carlisle can do what he did in the U18s in being an athletic tall who creates a good contest. It would be good if we get to the stage where we simply have too many good KPP and one or two have to go elsewhere to get opportunities.
Hurley - Star
Pears - Star, could be better then Hurley.
Hille - Big questions marks if he can return to 2008 form
Ryder - STAR! Will only get better
Carlisle - Haven't seen him play.
Neagle - Don't think he'll make it
Laycock - On his last legs with Essendon
TBell - Should make it
Darcy Daniher - Not sure about
Gumbleton - Who knows what will happen with him. I'm expecting games from him this year through
Hooker - Not too sure on him.
Still - Will be a gun.
Not too sure I agree about many of these ratings. How can you be completely unsure about Hooker but convinced that TBell "should make it" despite the fact that the coaching staff prefered to play Hooker out of position rather than playing TBell.
It is also unusual the level of certainty you have with Still compared to players who have already played senior football.
bombermick
2 Dec 2009, 13:20
Not too sure I agree about many of these ratings. How can you be completely unsure about Hooker but convinced that TBell "should make it" despite the fact that the coaching staff prefered to play Hooker out of position rather than playing TBell.
It is also unusual the level of certainty you have with Still compared to players who have already played senior football.
Agree T-Bell may become a good back-up ruckman, but at the moment he has done very little. We need him to come on because Hille is coming off an injury. Too bad there weren't many class rucks this draft.
bipolarbeaR
2 Dec 2009, 14:41
I think we should grab Panos in PSD to make sure, his highlight vids are amazing, I don't know how he wasn't picked. Bigger body than Still or Carlisle too.
The Dustbin
2 Dec 2009, 15:04
When was the jury out on Carlisle? :confused:
When was the jury out on Carlisle? :confused:
In fairness, he did provide the disclaimer that he is likely to make stupid comments :D
The Dustbin
2 Dec 2009, 15:26
In fairness, he did provide the disclaimer that he is likely to make stupid comments :D
True. It was dumb and uncalled for to make a comment like that, on a kid who has been at the club for 6 days.
The comeback was all class, think before you write centrelink1. ;)
:cool:
i'll be a very happy man if the bombers can add one of matthew panos or serhat temel to our primary or rookie list further strengthening our depth in the kpp dept.
i'll be a very happy man if the bombers can add one of matthew panos or serhat temel to our primary or rookie list further strengthening our depth in the kpp dept.
The Turkish Delight should be on someones list. With a bit of work within an AFL system i think this kid could be a gem as he reads the play very well and he has the big mits that pull in a lot of marks.
Just has to work a bit on his overall agility and endurnace.
The Turkish Delight should be on someones list. With a bit of work within an AFL system i think this kid could be a gem as he reads the play very well and he has the big mits that pull in a lot of marks.
Just has to work a bit on his overall agility and endurnace.
Tehmel or Panos Ant??
PSD pick prediction. Me personally am thinking it will be Barlow or Marigliani.
Tehmel or Panos Ant??
PSD pick prediction. Me personally am thinking it will be Barlow or Marigliani.
PSD probably Marigliani or Patrick.
Rookie draft i would prefer the Turkish Delight over Panos but either are worth looking at.
The_Trav
5 Dec 2009, 14:04
Hurley - Gun, but at which end of the field?
Pears - Will be first picked in defence for many seasons to come.
Hille - Could slot in up forward to begin with in an attempt to nurse him back this season but should form a lethal combo with Ryder in the ruck.
Ryder - Arguably number one ruckman in the club. Superstar.
Carlisle - Unknown to me.
Neagle - Not a fan. Reminds me a lot of Courtney Johns. If he proves me wrong i'll happily admit to it.
Laycock - Seems to be a confidence player. Probably won't be more than cover but could prove a handy backup. Has shown at times he has all the talent in the world and then other times he is just terrible. Hopefully he can stay fit aswell.
TBell - Again, handy back up ruckman and may take another season or two before he really begins to bloom.
Darcy Daniher - I like him. Have only seen him in defence but i like his attack on the ball. Seems to like running off his opponent, maybe a very good option for the oppositions third forward. Also think he'd go alright up forward.
Gumbleton - I look forward to seeing him string some games together.
Hooker - Put in some good performance in defence this season. Could become an important part of our backline.
Still - Will need him to be good, as he is an imprtant part of our succession plan concering Lucas and Lloyd.
RolyPolyRioli
5 Dec 2009, 14:47
I'm new here so be gentle!
Do you think Ryder falls into a KPP category after his outstanding year in the ruck. I am not sure where I think he will be most use, but the thought of playing him somewhere where he'll touch the ball ten times and he will hardly lay a tackle diminishes his value in my book.
Neagle could be a powerhouse if he can get consistency - I rate him but he is work in progress
Laycock I hate to say it has had his chances but not taken them.
Hurley is still young, hard to say gun yet, but has massive potential - back probably then a move forward later in his career (or even in the year).
Looking forward to seeing Gumbleton, hopefully quite a few games this year.
thebigboy
5 Dec 2009, 16:52
I'm new here so be gentle!
Do you think Ryder falls into a KPP category after his outstanding year in the ruck. I am not sure where I think he will be most use, but the thought of playing him somewhere where he'll touch the ball ten times and he will hardly lay a tackle diminishes his value in my book.
The fact that he can play in about 5 different positions means that he is incredibly valuable to the team. Knights and Co. just need to make sure that he doesn't become a good at all positions and great at none. He's a rare talent and a guy that IMO should be used at CHF or on a wing.
His ball use is good enough, wonderful athlete and I would love to see him drop into defence then float forward and take a grab.
I might be asking too much of him but I think he is more than capable of filling that type of role.
PSD probably Marigliani or Patrick.
Rookie draft i would prefer the Turkish Delight over Panos but either are worth looking at.
Do you think that Marigliani will be taken in the first 10 picks in the rookie Draft Ant?? and I am hearing mixed reports on Patrick, I think he is a player that could be anything, but seems to me like we have just recruited Williams to play a similar role in the team, with John Williams also 'apparently' being re rookied, why do we need another Monfries type??
The fact that he can play in about 18 different positions means that he is incredibly valuable to the team. Knights and Co. just need to make sure that he doesn't become a good at all positions and great at none. He's a rare talent and a guy that IMO should be used at CHF or on a wing.
His ball use is good enough, wonderful athlete and I would love to see him drop into defence then float forward and take a grab.
I might be asking too much of him but I think he is more than capable of filling that type of role.
efa :thumbsu:
Slattery_20
7 Dec 2009, 07:55
The fact that he can play in about 5 different positions means that he is incredibly valuable to the team. Knights and Co. just need to make sure that he doesn't become a good at all positions and great at none. He's a rare talent and a guy that IMO should be used at CHF or on a wing.
His ball use is good enough, wonderful athlete and I would love to see him drop into defence then float forward and take a grab.
I might be asking too much of him but I think he is more than capable of filling that type of role.
I'd go a bit crazy, and pencil our best ruckman in the ruck spot, and then maybe put the bloke coming off a reco as the #2.
Do you think that Marigliani will be taken in the first 10 picks in the rookie Draft Ant?? and I am hearing mixed reports on Patrick, I think he is a player that could be anything, but seems to me like we have just recruited Williams to play a similar role in the team, with John Williams also 'apparently' being re rookied, why do we need another Monfries type??
Would have thought Patrick was more of a Davey type than a Monfries type. He is nothing like Monfries or Williams.
Quick , big leap and some x factor would be why they are interested. Now they have to weigh that up against consistant performance and an ability to step up to the work load needed at AFL level.
Not too sure I agree about many of these ratings. How can you be completely unsure about Hooker but convinced that TBell "should make it" despite the fact that the coaching staff prefered to play Hooker out of position rather than playing TBell.
It is also unusual the level of certainty you have with Still compared to players who have already played senior football.
They are only my opinions. I'll go into some more detail. At times I have seen Hooker be completely outplayed in defence and make some big errors with the ball in hand. Hooker was made as a make shift ruckman when belly wasn't good enough. For the majority of the game Hooker was being played in defence then when Ryder needed a break Hooker would come in. Belly is only a ruckman and will only be a ruckman. Last year he didn't have the engine to perform properly and was then dropped. I have only heard good things about his pre-season and considering we don't see a ruckman normally perform until the mid 20's Belly has performed above expectation.
With Still, it's more of a feeling about him. I have only seen him play in once , train a couple of times and some videos but all i Hhve heard about him and read has been extremly impressive.
Would have thought Patrick was more of a Davey type than a Monfries type. He is nothing like Monfries or Williams.
Quick , big leap and some x factor would be why they are interested. Now they have to weigh that up against consistant performance and an ability to step up to the work load needed at AFL level.
I am really hoping we do not get Patrick. All these reports that he can be lazy and drift in and out of games, let alone seasons. I would prefer to go for someone that will be able to take the next step up. Patrick would be perfect for a rookie spot. Able to develop him year by year, no long term contracts and the expectation that he may not make it.
I am really hoping we do not get Patrick. All these reports that he can be lazy and drift in and out of games, let alone seasons. I would prefer to go for someone that will be able to take the next step up. Patrick would be perfect for a rookie spot. Able to develop him year by year, no long term contracts and the expectation that he may not make it.
If it comes down to the rookie draft then he will be with the GC next year.
Lets just say that you can not belive everything that the punters are saying in regards to Patrick. Yes he has some stuff to work on but his situation is no different to Alwyn Davey at the same age.
It is a simple fact that some of the indigenous boys can take longer to mature or get the consistancy in their game.
Trust me i would not consider saying we should pick him up if i was hearing the same stories about him from inside the system that are floating around from a few making comments from the side lines.
Sometimes you have to take a risk as you have to delist 3 or 4 players every year and there is not point simply picking plain and steady with every pick. The draft is a game of chance and risk on a number of fronts.
Knight Ryders
7 Dec 2009, 20:41
Given that we are building a solid list, I will be disappointed if we don't take a chance on Patrick. In comparisons with the players he is competing with for a spot on our list, he is the most talented. That doesn't necessary equate to a good AFL or even an AFL player, but I would think that we have enough balance on our list to give such a talent a chance. I doubt he'll be around come our first rookie pick.
Slattery_20
8 Dec 2009, 07:42
If it comes down to the rookie draft then he will be with the GC next year.
Lets just say that you can not belive everything that the punters are saying in regards to Patrick. Yes he has some stuff to work on but his situation is no different to Alwyn Davey at the same age.
It is a simple fact that some of the indigenous boys can take longer to mature or get the consistancy in their game.
Trust me i would not consider saying we should pick him up if i was hearing the same stories about him from inside the system that are floating around from a few making comments from the side lines.
Sometimes you have to take a risk as you have to delist 3 or 4 players every year and there is not point simply picking plain and steady with every pick. The draft is a game of chance and risk on a number of fronts.
He'd effectively replace Jumpin' John Williams spot on the list.
Which I quite like the idea of. Pretty much a like for like. I think we do still have a spot for that mid-sized forward.