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Wahooti Fandango
16 Dec 2009, 10:07
Not that long ago our ruck department was looking decidedly thin. However, we now have enough quality and depth to be able to really take a hold of games throughout the season. Hille and Ryder are two high quality ruckman, while Bellchambers is challenging Laycock for the third ruck position. Bock is still along way off an afl level ruckman, but he may still get there and Hooker is not a bad pinch hitter in the ruck. I think if we are going to push for the top 4 then it will be on the back of our ruckmen. Compare us to Whorethorn who had to pick up Skipper in order to strengthen their failing ruck division.
Dead right
We had a terrible run of luck last year in that department. And it is a critical area of play. Hopefully Hille can find his 2008 form and Paddy can continue whence he left off last year.
Our ruck division should be solid 2010 barring injuries but Cale shouldnt be called on again for those duties.
Look out for Laycock 2010. I met an Aussie tattooist over here a week or so ago who said that he had recently engraved "stander" on that bigfella's arse.
I hope he bares all
Slattery_20
16 Dec 2009, 13:23
We've got 2 good rucks.
Then a serviceable #2 type.
And Laycock & Bock.
Nothing's changed in a year, other than fitness.
bipolarbeaR
16 Dec 2009, 13:35
Nothing's changed in a year, other than fitness.
??
Ryders experience, Hille isn't injured, Laycock has no hair, Bellchambers has a tattoo and Bock has put on a solid 300g of muscle.
AndyLesPaul
16 Dec 2009, 13:38
Nothing's changed in a year, other than fitness.
Your kidding.
Ryder wasnt ever considered in the ruck around this time last year, Bellchambers has improved, Laycock is alright.
Our Ruck Stock has definately improved, thats for sure.
Slattery_20
16 Dec 2009, 13:59
I liked BPB's response better.
Laycock hasn't played a game in over 12 months. Hille is coming off a knee, big-men don't always come back the same.
That's progress?
Wahooti Fandango
16 Dec 2009, 14:40
I liked BPB's response better.
Laycock hasn't played a game in over 12 months. Hille is coming off a knee, big-men don't always come back the same.
That's progress?
I was mainly talking about the emergence of Ryder and the potential of Belly who by all reports has looked very good in the lead up to next season.
I liked BPB's response better.
Laycock hasn't played a game in over 12 months. Hille is coming off a knee, big-men don't always come back the same.
That's progress?
Bpb's comments are usually good for a laugh. And despite my running aside with Stander re laycock we do have ruck issues Slatts. But that is a 2011 list management task.
However in OP terms being able to select a Hille, Bellchambers, Ryder and a Laycock even a Gumbleton in round 1 2010 is a signficant improvement on what we were able to do in the first elim final against adelaide re rucks. Tribunal aside.
Drafting is over but if you are going to make a point re before and now then I'd like to know how it could not be optimistic.
I don't think it's as good as the OP has stated. There will be some question marks over how Hille can come back, I doubt he will be fit within the first 6 weeks of the season. Ryder is a star no questions asked. There are concerns over Laycock, one more serious injury and that could be the end of him. I'm really excited about Belly and Bock could end up doing nothing, we just don't know yet.
Also Hooker shouldn't ever ruck we just chucked him in there because of injuries.
nickh32
16 Dec 2009, 15:33
We've got 2 good rucks.
Then a serviceable #2 type.
And Laycock & Bock.
Nothing's changed in a year, other than fitness.
Thats not true we didnt have hille basically all year and when he was playing we didnt have paddy in the ruck. So we basically have picked up a ruckman and regained a ruckmen.
Goat Boy
16 Dec 2009, 16:25
I liked BPB's response better.
Laycock hasn't played a game in over 12 months. Hille is coming off a knee, big-men don't always come back the same.
That's progress?
I agree that we shouldn’t get our hopes up too much for Laycock and Hille in 2010 but it's still a lot better than 2009. Just having them in the team, either one of them will mean Ryder gets a rest and Hooker doesn't get played out of position.
Also, another pre season into Belly and Ryder will help as well.
dave_27
16 Dec 2009, 16:38
We have found one of the best ruck prospects, our no 1 for the next decade in Ryder.
I'd say thats progress. MAJOR progress.
Only Brisbane with Clarke and Carlton with Kruezer can say likewise.
Mad Bomber Sean
16 Dec 2009, 17:07
Until the season gets underway I am neither positive or negative about our ruck stocks.
Huge Question marks over Hillie to return to his former hights
Laycock could be some thing, or perhaps nothing
Bellchambers aint that impressive & I dont see much in him.
ATM it is all about Ryder. He is Madden like in his ability to play ruck.
Disagree that we are much better with Whorethorn...but love that spelling ;)
These are the questions that we need answers to:
Who starts as our # 1 ruck?
How will hille comeback after his knee reconstruction?
Will Laycock ever fulfill his potential?
How will Bellchambers develop after a "so - so" 2009?
What will Bock do in 2010?
Where does Laycock play? Forward or Ruck?
Will Hille play forward?
These are all the questions that we need answers to. If we can get everyone up and about, then I have no doubt that we will be a force, but until we get something from everyone then we will be a mediocre ruck division with one standout.
We have two quality ruckman in Hille and Ryder.
Even if Laycock stays at the same level - he is mid-range for a second ruckman.
Bellchambers is tracking nicely for a second year ruckman.
Bock is a long term project.
I can see Hille and Ryder playing all games - Laycock and Bellchambers for coverage.
The Dustbin
16 Dec 2009, 21:57
These are the questions that we need answers to:
Who starts as our # 1 ruck?
At full fitness - Hille
How will hille comeback after his knee reconstruction?
Only time will tell.
How will Bellchambers develop after a "so - so" 2009?
His 2009 was pretty good. Is coming along nicely. Will face stiff opposition in Ryder and Hille though. Has age on his side.
What will Bock do in 2010?
Bock is light years away. Worth pursuing with though, has the skills just not an AFL body ATM. Doubt he'll play for Essendon as long as Ryder, Hiller and Laycock are fit. Still he is a work in a progress.
Where does Laycock play? Forward or Ruck?
Has shown that he can take a grab up forward, can kick fairly well. Just as well, otherwise he would be in all sorts with Hille and Ryder.... I think it is 50/50 where he's best position is. If he can work on his endurance and increase his intensity, then yeah it's the ruck. His tap work is pretty good.
Will Hille play forward?
He can play forward whilst changing with Paddy in the ruck. Proven goalkicker. Can't lose if he plays ruck or forward - he will always provide a contest.
Slattery_20
17 Dec 2009, 08:52
Thats not true we didnt have hille basically all year and when he was playing we didnt have paddy in the ruck. So we basically have picked up a ruckman and regained a ruckmen.
Who'd we pick up?
We've got Hille back from injury - ie fitness. We may have Laycock back from injury - ie fitness.
We really need a credible chop out to Ryder. He's a far better ruckman than Hille.
jade_00
17 Dec 2009, 11:09
We really need a credible chop out to Ryder. He's a far better ruckman than Hille.
:eek:
Ryder is more athletic, but Hille is a far more imposing body on body ruckman.
nickh32
17 Dec 2009, 11:34
Who'd we pick up?
We've got Hille back from injury - ie fitness. We may have Laycock back from injury - ie fitness.
We really need a credible chop out to Ryder. He's a far better ruckman than Hille.
What i mean is before ANZAC day we didnt have ryder as a ruck. But from ANZAC day we didnt have Hille either. So what im saying is that know we have been shown how good Ryder is in the Ruck we technically gained a ruckmen because we didnt really have him before. Also we are regaining Hille. I know what your saying but we have technically gained a ruckmen by finding one and getting one back.
Bombers36
17 Dec 2009, 12:25
I dont think Ryder will ruck as much this year, I can see him playing CHF as who else have we got? Hurley needed as CHB, and cant expect Gumby or Neagle(whos more of a full forward) to hold CHF down yet.
Therefore Hille starting ruckman - if he isnt fit what better way to get him match fit than to run him around in the ruck? Laycock to be his backup and if he doesnt fire Bellchambers.
Hille is a great ruckman and if he can get back to where he was pretty quickly it will free up paddy to be a very damaging forward
What i mean is before ANZAC day we didnt have ryder as a ruck. But from ANZAC day we didnt have Hille either. So what im saying is that know we have been shown how good Ryder is in the Ruck we technically gained a ruckmen because we didnt really have him before. Also we are regaining Hille. I know what your saying but we have technically gained a ruckmen by finding one and getting one back.
Yes we did. Ryder was playing second ruck from the start of the year.
Slattery_20
18 Dec 2009, 07:29
I dont think Ryder will ruck as much this year, I can see him playing CHF as who else have we got? Hurley needed as CHB, and cant expect Gumby or Neagle(whos more of a full forward) to hold CHF down yet.
Therefore Hille starting ruckman - if he isnt fit what better way to get him match fit than to run him around in the ruck? Laycock to be his backup and if he doesnt fire Bellchambers.
Hille is a great ruckman and if he can get back to where he was pretty quickly it will free up paddy to be a very damaging forward
Hurley played what - 8 games for the year? 2 or 3 of them, he was forward.
Hooker (back) to CHB. Hurley to CHF. Pears stay at FB. Paddy 1st ruck.
Hille forward line/ruck/bench. At least until he's back running out games.