***Ask all Dream Team/SuperCoach questions here***

[Ben the Gooner]

It's getting to the time of year where opposition posters flood the boards of other teams for DT/SC knowledge. Please, when doing so, keep your posts out of training report threads, or the Player Watch forum. We may move posts from there into here initially, but if we lose patience, then cards will be issued.

If you ask your questions in here, then one of our knowledgable (footywise and fantasywise) will answer them.

[Spikey]

should i pick hurley

[Ben the Gooner]

No homo?

[Spikey]

seriously, should i pick him and should it be as a back or a forward?

[BomberFan_23]

Good player but no way! to expensive. IMO

[Ben the Gooner]

If you were, as a back.

If he plays forward for us, he could do all right. Probably better options though.

[jackoisno1]

Kyle Hardingham??
Is he going to play?

[Ben the Gooner]

No one knows. If he's named in round 1, he'll get a bit of a run, but he's a real unknown quantity at this stage. There's a void left by McPhee, but whether Hardingham or another fills it remains to be seen.

Watch for him in the NAB Cup.

[centrelink1]

BtG, am i allowed to troll about how I dont like dream taem/supercoach on here? Just clarifying...

[Skeeta Olly]

am i allowed to troll

....

[Ben the Gooner]

BtG, am i allowed to troll about how I dont like dream taem/supercoach on here? Just clarifying...

Make a thread in the Hangar.

[cAsEy_18]

Depending on price, thinking Myers could be a good pick up in the backline.

[bipolarbeaR]

Potential picks for me:

Gumbleton (92k)
Melksham (92k)
Hurley
Myers (could be a steal)
Dempsey
McVeigh (cheap)
Zaharakis (cheap)

Elite onezz that I will consider.

Ryder
Stanton
Watson

[Colin D'Cops]

Watson had a breakout year last year, putting together a great season. One of his strengths is getting in & under, then feeding it out to the outside/link players. By getting in & under, more often than not he has no time to get a kick away and be sure of finding a Bomber chest. So for the majority of the time, he handpasses.

Not an overly attractive Dream Team prospect in that respect, but if you think he can improve his disposal numbers next season; then pick him with confidence!

[WinderliciouS]

Here's my Super Coach team (using Fanplanner on www.fanfooty.com.au)
Bold are lock-ins, italic are bench players, and underlined are players still being decided upon.

BACKS: Sam Fisher, Luke Hodge, David Myers, Andrew Carrazzo, Brad Symes, Nick Suban, Andrew Walker; Dylan Grimes, Kyle Hardingham

MIDS: Nick Dal Santo, Bryce Gibbs, Bernie Vince, Adam Cooney, Mark McVeigh, Brent Stanton; Dustin Martin, Ryan Bastinac

FWDS: Brett Deledio, Shaun Higgins, Lance Franklin, Josh Kennedy (WCE), Kyle Reimers, Jack Trengove, Ben Cunnington; Scott Gumbleton, Luke Tapscott

RUCKS: Dean Cox, David Hille; Matthew Lobbe, Robert Warnock

$13,700 left in the bank. Any ideas?
Buddy may have to go seeing as he is out Round 1, but if Gumby or Tapscott is playing then that will fill in for him, so it's all good.

[Godzke]

Surely not Andrew Walker ... but then again I did finish a miserable 48,000th or something this year. :( :o

[Lotch]

How many Essendon fans will be locking in Prismall this season?

Could be an interesting choice.

Also I will consider Spike but not sure if he can return to his 07 08 form and what about his discipline.

[Ben the Gooner]

How many Essendon fans will be locking in Prismall this season?

Could be an interesting choice.

Also I will consider Spike but not sure if he can return to his 07 08 form and what about his discipline.

Both are definitely on my watch list.

[Budgie63]

How has McVeigh been going in training?

[happy_eagle]

How is Hille travelling so far in pre season
He is likely to play up forward isnt he ?

[eth-dog]

How is Hille travelling so far in pre season
He is likely to play up forward isnt he ?
He and Ryder are likely to rotate between forward and ruck. he will be a bargain

[eth-dog]

Here's my Super Coach team (using Fanplanner on www.fanfooty.com.au (http://www.fanfooty.com.au))
Bold are lock-ins, italic are bench players, and underlined are players still being decided upon.

BACKS: Sam Fisher, Luke Hodge, David Myers, Andrew Carrazzo, Brad Symes, Nick Suban, Andrew Walker; Dylan Grimes, Kyle Hardingham

MIDS: Nick Dal Santo, Bryce Gibbs, Bernie Vince, Adam Cooney, Mark McVeigh, Brent Stanton; Dustin Martin, Ryan Bastinac

FWDS: Brett Deledio, Shaun Higgins, Lance Franklin, Josh Kennedy (WCE), Kyle Reimers, Jack Trengove, Ben Cunnington; Scott Gumbleton, Luke Tapscott

RUCKS: Dean Cox, David Hille; Matthew Lobbe, Robert Warnock

$13,700 left in the bank. Any ideas?
Buddy may have to go seeing as he is out Round 1, but if Gumby or Tapscott is playing then that will fill in for him, so it's all good.
My structure atm:
BACKS: Brendan Goddard, Corey Enright, Chris Newman, Rick Ladson, Andrew Mackie, Bradley Shepphard, Jasper McMillan-Pittard, Chris McKaigue, Simon White

MIDFIELDERS: Gary Ablett Jr.(c), Leigh Montagna, Rhys Palmer, Tom Scully, Dustin Martin, Jake Melksham, Koby Stevens, Anthony Morabito

RUCKS: Dean Cox, David Hille, Nathan Vardy, Daniel Currie

FORWARDS: Paul Chapman, Nick Riewoldt, Leon Davis, Jack Trengove, Ben Cunnington, Gary Rohan, Kane Lucas, Scott Gumbleton, Luke Tapscott

with $1,101,500 left.

[thebigboy]

When does it open anyway?

IIRC it was before the NAB cup last year.

[Ants]

How is Hille travelling so far in pre season
He is likely to play up forward isnt he ?

By memory from reports he's meant to be going ok, but has been in the modified group before Christmas.

Personally, I'd be cautious. Big men often don't come back too well from knee injuries (think Schwarz, Primus, Gardiner for years, Bailey) and Hille's strength was his mobility. Also, the start to 2009 wasn't spectacular, so most of his reputation is actually built off a single season - 2008. Although that year he showed good signs forward, prior to that he'd always struggled when played as a key forward versus a ruckmen drifting forward.

In summary, he could be a complete steal. Someone will have to support Ryder in the ruck. But there is most definitely a lot of risks involved.

[hodgeisboss]

How has McVeigh been going in training?
i am also interested if anyone knows

[stay true]

I wouldn't advise picking Hille if he's at a similar price to what he was last year. Too risky for rucks I reckon. I always go for 2 very good ruckman and some kids that might play 4-5 games and use them as money makers come finals.

[happy_eagle]

Hille is predicted to be at 200,000

[bipolarbeaR]

Wow, Hille 2nd ruck for me.

[Jobe Watson]

Is Myers a good pick? I've heard he's been playing as an inside mid in the magoos which is gold for SC, but is he likely to get games early/command a spot in the 22?

[BomberFan_23]

Anyone heard anything about leroy? could be a bargain if he moved up the field? hows he training? interesting to see where he plays in the nab cup

[BomberFan_23]

Is Myers a good pick? I've heard he's been playing as an inside mid in the magoos which is gold for SC, but is he likely to get games early/command a spot in the 22?

Got myers on my bench atm. his nab cup form will determine if he stays there or not.

[Mrs Mercuri]

My team--- will probably change bits after the NAB Cup

Backs: Sam Fisher Luke Hodge Dale Morris Andrew Walker Kyle Hardingham Jasper McMillan-Pittard

Centres: Brett Kirk Gary Ablett Mark Mcveigh Cyril Rioli Matthew Pavlich Nathan Van Berlo Patrick Dangerfield Luke Tapscott

Rucks: Dean Cox Matthew Kruezer Jackson Trengove Robert Warnock

Forwards: Nick Riewoldt Mark LeCras Drew Petrie Mark Williams Fev! Scott Gumbleton Ryan Bastinac Shaun Higgins Jack Trengove

[theCATSfromHELL]

Howdy ya'll.

I know there prices are quite different but if you had to choose between the 2 who would you recommend out of Prismall or Stanton.

Prismall is class and i can realistically seeing him push for a 95+ average and Stanton is about ready to dominate.

Any info on both of them? (Supercoach)

[Juddy88]

Courtenay Dempsey is an interesting one. Averaged 60.6 last season in his first "full" season. Looked promosing at times and but often went missing. Had a big quarter where he's score well and then go missing for the next two.

What will his role be? If I remember correctly I think at times he was given a shut down role, or even had someone shutting him down which prevented his run from half back a bit.

Priced fairly highly at $282K

[Santoz]

Courtenay Dempsey is an interesting one. Averaged 60.6 last season in his first "full" season. Looked promosing at times and but often went missing. Had a big quarter where he's score well and then go missing for the next two.

What will his role be? If I remember correctly I think at times he was given a shut down role, or even had someone shutting him down which prevented his run from half back a bit.

Priced fairly highly at $282K

I had Dempsey for all of last year and he's an interesting one. Just like you said, he would have quarters where he racks up a handful of possies and then you wonder whether he's even out on the ground for the next few quarters. He provides pretty good run and carry and has respectable disposal by foot but he just doesn't rack up enough points/possies for my liking.

I would expect him to improve on his output this season if he can keep injury free but I can't see him racking up 20/25 possessions often enough to justify keeping him for the year. I envisage his price rising to the high 300K's but I'd expect you'd be better off drafting a cheap as chips blue stock rookie who will average roughly 60 to 70 Supercoach points per game but whose price will increase far greater then Dempsey's. A player such as Phil Davis would do the blue chip rookie trick however if you want a player in a similar price bracket to Dempsey but should increase to a superior price then you can't go past Josh Hunt.

[mark1881]

Howdy ya'll.

I know there prices are quite different but if you had to choose between the 2 who would you recommend out of Prismall or Stanton.

Prismall is class and i can realistically seeing him push for a 95+ average and Stanton is about ready to dominate.

Any info on both of them? (Supercoach)

Stanton gets the footy, he'll average you around 100 points, maybe a little more but he often gets tagged. If you're looking for a smoky then I think Prismall is the way to go.

[SirJimi05]

Courtenay Dempsey is an interesting one. Averaged 60.6 last season in his first "full" season. Looked promosing at times and but often went missing. Had a big quarter where he's score well and then go missing for the next two.

What will his role be? If I remember correctly I think at times he was given a shut down role, or even had someone shutting him down which prevented his run from half back a bit.

Priced fairly highly at $282K

Keep an eye out for Kyle Hardingham's preformences in the NAB cup. If he performs well we may see him taking the running back role which could see Demps moving onto a wing.

Not sure how likely this is but if it did happen Dempsey will be absolute gold, imo.

[SirJimi05]

Wow, Hille 2nd ruck for me.

Yeah i'm considering it also but make sure your bench ruck is playing because i doubt Hilly will play prior to round 3-4.

Anyone heard anything about leroy? could be a bargain if he moved up the field? hows he training? interesting to see where he plays in the nab cup

Training well but wouldn't he need to get a kick in the forward line before he is even considered for a role further up the field? Would probably be behind about 15 players (atleast) for a midfield role.

[Colin D'Cops]

Yeah i'm considering it also but make sure your bench ruck is playing because i doubt Hilly will play prior to round 3-4.

He has been in full training since the new year. Knee doesn't seem to be worrying him.

I think he should be ready to go come round one, but anything can happen in a few months.

[SirJimi05]

He has been in full training since the new year. Knee doesn't seem to be worrying him.

I think he should be ready to go come round one, but anything can happen in a few months.

Full training is a lot different to being match fit. Round 5 will be 12 months so i would envisage a return around that date or maybe a bit earlier if he is tracking well.

[King Of The Hille]

I came storming home last year winning two leagues (one ranked 96th) and finishing 1499.:D

Is it physically possible to make a team from now? And if so, what site?

[Skeeta Olly]

www.fanfooty.com.au

[Daz]

If you were an opposition coach, which Bombers midfielder would you tag?

[Hirdy_5]

If you were an opposition coach, which Bombers midfielder would you tag?

Winderlich.

[ant555]

Full training is a lot different to being match fit. Round 5 will be 12 months so i would envisage a return around that date or maybe a bit earlier if he is tracking well.

Players return before the 12 month mark. Prismall returned well before 12 months , so did Davey.

The club is using the usual standard line of we hope he will be ready for round 1 but we will wait and see however watching how he has trained and having had a knee reco myself i dont doubtt he will be ready for round 1 which will put the recovery around the 10 month mark which is pretty standard. I wont be stunned at all if he plays a practice match in the two weeks before round 1.

[ant555]

Courtenay Dempsey is an interesting one. Averaged 60.6 last season in his first "full" season. Looked promosing at times and but often went missing. Had a big quarter where he's score well and then go missing for the next two.

What will his role be? If I remember correctly I think at times he was given a shut down role, or even had someone shutting him down which prevented his run from half back a bit.

Priced fairly highly at $282K

You have answered your own question. Often he reason he seemed to drift out of games as he was a defender and sometimes you have to concentrate on picking up your man. I dont think his role will be much different this year , there will be days/quarters where he runs free but others where he will have to defend.

[ant555]

Unless there are injuries i would not be anking on too many blokes pushing into the side. Obviously Lloyd , McPhee and Lovett need to be replaced and Williams is the one that will take Lloyds spot.
At this stage i think that NLM will fill the role that McPhee played openeing up a bench spot but i believe the core group of players used last year in the most games will remain the same.

[Hoppers Xing]

What's Gumbleton's prospects?

[ant555]

What's Gumbleton's prospects?

Even if he does play , which is likely if he stays fit , as a young forward he will not score higher than 50's or 60's.
He may be cheap but he won't score as much as a mid who has been listed in the forwards.

[bloodstainbandit]

what do you guys think about Prismall for this season ? he's a lock for me - worth noting there was only 4 players last season that had a higher point/minute ratio than him, they being Swan 1.24 p/m played, Hayes 1.22, Montagna 1.17 & Pendlebury 1.15 - Prismall scored 1.12 points per minute played with only 70% game time - the guy had no pre season, by comparisom Gablett scored at 1.08 p/m with 91% game time.

[X_box_X]

Here's my Super Coach team (using Fanplanner on www.fanfooty.com.au)
Bold are lock-ins, italic are bench players, and underlined are players still being decided upon.

BACKS: Sam Fisher, Luke Hodge, David Myers, Andrew Carrazzo, Brad Symes, Nick Suban, Andrew Walker; Dylan Grimes, Kyle Hardingham

MIDS: Nick Dal Santo, Bryce Gibbs, Bernie Vince, Adam Cooney, Mark McVeigh, Brent Stanton; Dustin Martin, Ryan Bastinac

FWDS: Brett Deledio, Shaun Higgins, Lance Franklin, Josh Kennedy (WCE), Kyle Reimers, Jack Trengove, Ben Cunnington; Scott Gumbleton, Luke Tapscott

RUCKS: Dean Cox, David Hille; Matthew Lobbe, Robert Warnock

$13,700 left in the bank. Any ideas?
Buddy may have to go seeing as he is out Round 1, but if Gumby or Tapscott is playing then that will fill in for him, so it's all good.

You've listed five locks in that team of yours. I can assure you with 100% confidence that one of those five players will not be a lock for you.

[SirJimi05]

You've listed five locks in that team of yours. I can assure you with 100% confidence that one of those five players will not be a lock for you.

Is there an injury we don't know about?

[D_train]

Unless there are injuries i would not be anking on too many blokes pushing into the side. Obviously Lloyd , McPhee and Lovett need to be replaced and Williams is the one that will take Lloyds spot.
At this stage i think that NLM will fill the role that McPhee played openeing up a bench spot but i believe the core group of players used last year in the most games will remain the same.

Speaking of NLM, how's his pre-season been thus far?

[X_box_X]

Is there an injury we don't know about?

Nothing to do with injuries.

[Towno78]

Players return before the 12 month mark. Prismall returned well before 12 months , so did Davey.
It's important to note that not all ACL injuries are the same, and not necessarily comparable. Approximately 60-70% of ACL ruptures occur in conjunction with significant damage or rupture to other ligaments/cartilage, such as the medial ligament or PCL complicating the recovery time. Not sure about Davey's, but Prismall's was clean in that he ruptured his ACL with no surrounding damage, enabling him to come back in an impressive 9 months.

I haven't heard about Hille but would suspect given his progress there were complications in his case. Big men always take longer to get back on the park from knees also, so I don't think Davey and Prismall are reasonable benchmark's for Hille's progress... Plus, I thought I heard Hille had already been ruled out of playing any NAB cup matches?

[ant555]

It's important to note that not all ACL injuries are the same, and not necessarily comparable. Approximately 60-70% of ACL ruptures occur in conjunction with significant damage or rupture to other ligaments/cartilage, such as the medial ligament or PCL complicating the recovery time. Not sure about Davey's, but Prismall's was clean in that he ruptured his ACL with no surrounding damage, enabling him to come back in an impressive 9 months.

I haven't heard about Hille but would suspect given his progress there were complications in his case. Big men always take longer to get back on the park from knees also, so I don't think Davey and Prismall are reasonable benchmark's for Hille's progress... Plus, I thought I heard Hille had already been ruled out of playing any NAB cup matches?

It was the same with Hille as he did not suffer any structual damage as it was not an collision impact injury. His progress is right on track so i do not know why you wuld think there has been complications. 9 months after the injury he is doing full contact work.

So far the club has said it will not rush him back. They have said it is unlikely he will play NAB Cup which will be the case as they dont need him ready in mid Feb. However he is training really strongly and doing all the contact / contesting work and it will be no shock to me to see him play a practice match in the 3 weeks leading into round 1.
Lets face it they said the same thing with Prismall last year and he was reading 4 weeks before his predicted return. At the moment they do not want to plan an exact date.

[Walesy]

will gumbledon b ijured this yr?

[Ben the Gooner]

You've listed five locks in that team of yours. I can assure you with 100% confidence that one of those five players will not be a lock for you.

Is there an injury we don't know about?

Nothing to do with injuries.

I think with the new player switching thing that DTTalk mentioned, Lids will still be a forward.:thumbsu:

[incog43]

Guys how do you see Winder going this year, started off scoring brilliantly but then dropped off as injuries occurred, was the point reduction also related to a role change in conjuction with injuries?

[yaco55]

It's important to note that not all ACL injuries are the same, and not necessarily comparable. Approximately 60-70% of ACL ruptures occur in conjunction with significant damage or rupture to other ligaments/cartilage, such as the medial ligament or PCL complicating the recovery time. Not sure about Davey's, but Prismall's was clean in that he ruptured his ACL with no surrounding damage, enabling him to come back in an impressive 9 months.

I haven't heard about Hille but would suspect given his progress there were complications in his case. Big men always take longer to get back on the park from knees also, so I don't think Davey and Prismall are reasonable benchmark's for Hille's progress... Plus, I thought I heard Hille had already been ruled out of playing any NAB cup matches?

There are two types of ACL injuries.

1) Contact/collision injury
2) Non Contact

I am always wary about the second type of ACL because it shows that you have loose ligaments and it may occur again.

The first type is usually a freak injury and is unlikely to reoccur.

Anyway that is my Non-medical injury.

[the egg]

Was just wondering how Mark McVeigh was travelling? I know he is suspended for round 1 but that doesn't bother me, if he is fit and has his head in the right place i'll seriously consider him.

Averaged 90 in 2008 and his average dropped to 60 last year, but i'm pretty sure he was playing injured all year and forced himself to play due to the casualty ward down at bomber land.

Will we see Spike back to his best this year?

[Ben the Gooner]

At this point in the pre-season, no news is good news for an established player like Spike, and we've had no news.

Basically, a normal pre-season.

If he can play 18-20 midfield games, he'll be a gem.

[X_box_X]

I think with the new player switching thing that DTTalk mentioned, Lids will still be a forward.:thumbsu:

If I knew you, I'd be delighted to place a $1000 wager with you on that one.

[Ben the Gooner]

If I knew you, I'd be delighted to place a $1000 wager with you on that one.

I'd be delighted to up that to $10000:)

[dswan]

When will Melksham play? Round 1 or midseason sometime? thanks

[Jonesy1987]

When will Melksham play? Round 1 or midseason sometime? thanks

Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play at all, well undersized and unless injuries occur he would be well down the pecking order of outside mids(Houli, Zaha, Stanton, Winders, Reimers, Dyson).

[X_box_X]

I'd be delighted to up that to $10000:)

You didn't seem so delighted when I sent you a PM asking for you to confirm this deal so we can arrange bank details with each other and a screen shot of our account balance.

Didn't mean to scare you off, but when you said you were delighted to up it to $10,000, I caught your bluff.

I wouldn't enter a DT season without knowing every itty bitty single bit of information about every singular change from the previous season. You probably didn't realise what you were getting into when you decided to undermine by authority.

[Ben the Gooner]

You didn't seem so delighted when I sent you a PM asking for you to confirm this deal so we can arrange bank details with each other and a screen shot of our account balance.

Didn't mean to scare you off, but when you said you were delighted to up it to $10,000, I caught your bluff.

I wouldn't enter a DT season without knowing every itty bitty single bit of information about every singular change from the previous season. You probably didn't realise what you were getting into when you decided to undermine by authority.

And I acknowledged my mistake. If you want to get into a pissing contest or prove that your e-dick's bigger than mine, then I feel sorry for you.

[Walesy]

You didn't seem so delighted when I sent you a PM asking for you to confirm this deal so we can arrange bank details with each other and a screen shot of our account balance.

Didn't mean to scare you off, but when you said you were delighted to up it to $10,000, I caught your bluff.

I wouldn't enter a DT season without knowing every itty bitty single bit of information about every singular change from the previous season. You probably didn't realise what you were getting into when you decided to undermine by authority.

Ha! Your authority?

So you've got a source from someone in CD, and you've then abused that trust to make yourself feel bigger on the internets? 10 team points to you mate, well done.

[Hirdy_5]

Ha! Your authority?

So you've got a source from someone in CD, and you've then abused that trust to make yourself feel bigger on the internets? 10 team points to you mate, well done.

+1 Agreed.

[Headless]

Hey guys, I was looking for some information on Courtney Dempsey and David Hille for 2010.

How's Hille's injury coming along? Will he be right for round 1?
Is Dempsey in the best 22 and if so, do you think he'll be a consistent scorer?

Thanks in advance.

[Ben the Gooner]

1. Hille's looking good, and if not Rd 1, he'll be only a couple of weeks after that. Round 4 is looking worst case atm.
2. Dempsey's a definite in the 22. I question whether he'll score enough to be relevant, however. Watch for his position and scoring in the NAB Cup.

[Headless]

Thanks for the help, Ben. Hille is tempting at his price (SuperCoach), but his injuries worry me.

I'll keep an eye on Dempsey, cheers.

[Ben the Gooner]

Thanks for the help, Ben. Hille is tempting at his price (SuperCoach), but his injuries worry me.

I'll keep an eye on Dempsey, cheers.

Hille's causing me a major headache. If he comes good, you've got a keeper for a ridiculously low price. If he busts, you've got nothing to trade him to.

[Goat Boy]

Hille's causing me a major headache. If he comes good, you've got a keeper for a ridiculously low price. If he busts, you've got nothing to trade him to.

For Supercoach I think he should be a lock, Hille is worth the punt. If he goes bust then you trade him for Laycock or Warnock who will be about $100k less. Plus, he will be playing as a forward at the start he might score a little better than some other ruckmen. Could take some contested marks and kick 2-3 goals which wont be bad for a guy around $250,000.

I'm looking at Hardingham as a back as well. His body is ready made, if he performs in the NAB cup then he could be the Broughton of 2010 in my eyes.

[SirJimi05]

Hille's causing me a major headache. If he comes good, you've got a keeper for a ridiculously low price. If he busts, you've got nothing to trade him to.

Unless you keep the cash you save, in the kitty, instead of spending it elsewhere.

[SirJimi05]

You didn't seem so delighted when I sent you a PM asking for you to confirm this deal so we can arrange bank details with each other and a screen shot of our account balance.



You're the best! However i'm surprised that a bar tender has a lazy 10k to spare.

[ant555]

I wouldn't enter a DT season without knowing every itty bitty single bit of information about every singular change from the previous season. You probably didn't realise what you were getting into when you decided to undermine by authority.

= you need a life ;)

[Walesy]

Hille's causing me a major headache. If he comes good, you've got a keeper for a ridiculously low price. If he busts, you've got nothing to trade him to.

Tippett in the forward line will provide decent coverage in a worst case senario. He can then be traded *down* to bottom priced rookie and you'll then have your non-Lobbe ruck bench as your only cover... :) (With Lobbe still able to cover for Tippett.)

[stay true]

Unless you keep the cash you save, in the kitty, instead of spending it elsewhere.
This is the main problem I have with picking Hille, because I'll end up using the extra cash saved to upgrade a player or two and just hope he comes good and he is 2010's Hamish McIntosh.

[Ben the Gooner]

This is the main problem I have with picking Hille, because I'll end up using the extra cash saved to upgrade a player or two and just hope he comes good and he is 2010's Hamish McIntosh.

Exactly. I suppose if he does go down, I can trade him to Laycock (who'll play in his place) or Warnock, then look forward to 2011.:p

[Kickett Punches Read]

heya guys. what about atkinson. watching him last year i thought he showed some promise, will he get a regular game this year do you think?

cheers
KPR

[Ben the Gooner]

heya guys. what about atkinson. watching him last year i thought he showed some promise, will he get a regular game this year do you think?

cheers
KPR

No.

If he's a consistent member of our best 22, we'll finish bottom 4.

[Goat Boy]

Exactly. I suppose if he does go down, I can trade him to Laycock (who'll play in his place) or Warnock, then look forward to 2011.:p

Another thing I noticed is Jamie Charman. Won't be getting massive scores because they have 3 good ruckmen now but he should be around $150,000. Hille is still a good option but you need to take risks in Supercoach.

[Kickett Punches Read]

No.

If he's a consistent member of our best 22, we'll finish bottom 4.

really? well there you go, i guess if you watch a teams games consistently you get a better idea of the players abilities, from what i saw i though atkinson showed a bit :confused:

[Ants]

really? well there you go, i guess if you watch a teams games consistently you get a better idea of the players abilities, from what i saw i though atkinson showed a bit :confused:
I think Ben the Gooner's statements may be a little out of line. There's a lot of fans who would put Atkinson outside the best 22 - but not necessarily by a large margin. If he improves, or say Dempsey got injured (never an impossibility) then I could see him getting a lot of games without it hitting our performance too hard.

But a very big risk.

[SirJimi05]

Yeah i don't agree with this groupthink concensus that we will finish bottom 4 if Atkinson is in our best 22.

I'm not sure if he will break into the best 22 but if he does, i'm pretty sure our season won't come to a crashing halt.

[SirJimi05]

I think Ben the Gooner's statements may be a little out of line. There's a lot of fans who would put Atkinson outside the best 22 - but not necessarily by a large margin. If he improves, or say Dempsey got injured (never an impossibility) then I could see him getting a lot of games without it hitting our performance too hard.

But a very big risk.

Maybe, maybe not. He performed pretty well at the end of last season and this will be fresh in the selectors/coaches minds. If he performs in the NAB he may well find himself in the team come round 1. He averaged 80 odd ppg this season and will be playing for his career so he may be a pretty good pick.

[Hirdy_5]

This is something I posted in NP and thought that it may be usefull here as well. Of course everybody is going to have differant views on some of our player etc, So hopefully this can generate some discussion :thumbsu:.

Essendon

Essendon may have surprised a few on lookers in season 2009, finishing the year in 8th position, The Dons were early predicted to finish bottom four. The Essendon game play is centred on a lot of hard, fast paced running. With this style of fast attacking football, chain handballing will often be seen as the Dons run the ball out of defence and through the middle. This style of play isn’t ideal for DT for a few reasons:

-A fast tempo / fast pace brand of footy requires peek fitness by players, which has often resulted in many soft tissue injuries at Essendon.
-Handballing the ball is only worth 2 points.
-Players often won’t spend an extended period of time on he ground as the game plan requires a lot of energy, so players will burn out quicker, resulting in less TOG.

It’s hard to say which way the Dons will go this year. Up, down, or Stay put? With the loss of 4 very experienced players in Lovett, Mcphee, Lloyd and Lucas, it is sure to impact the Dons. But now the next crops of young guns rise, lead under new skipper Jobe Watson. With the likes of Scott Gumbleton, Hurley, Pear, Winderlich ect coming through, my prediction is we will see another rollercoaster year for Essendon.

Departures

Lloyd, Lucas, Lovett, Mcphee, Skipworth

Arrivals

Draftees
Williams

Who fills the vacant spots?

With the loss of some very valuable and experienced players, there will be some fresh faces in the Dons line-up. Ex – Hawthorn player Mark William will slot straight into the forward line, and with developing KPP around him, will most likely be spearheading the attack. Essendon will also be relying on Gumblton to stand up in his 4th season to hold down a KP. Mcphees vacancy opens a spot for a swingman in the side, New draftee Kyle Haringham, 2009 draftee Tyson Slattery and Nathan Lovett Murray would be the 3 I see putting their hand up for the free spot.

The Midfield

Essendon have a developing centre line& many players that are able to run through the guts in rotations. I see our best centre set up looking like this;

Dyson ----------- Watson ---------- Winderlich
Stanton--- Prismall

Watson being an in and under player isn’t suited to DT, as most of his possessions are marked in the handballs section. Players like Lonergan, Riemers, Jetta, Hocking, Zaharakis, Melksham, etc will all also see plenty of time in there as well with the high midfield rotations.
In terms of DT, throughout the NAB Cup, Jetta’s role should be monitored; being a high draft pick a few years back he just hasn’t been able to piece it all together yet, only managing to average in the low 40’s. But by all report he is flying this pre-season and is bound to get a Forward pocket / Midfield gig in stages. Still there are doubts on whether he can cement a spot in the side as at this stage he is a fringe player.

The Rucks

The Return of David Hille is sure to make an impact for Essendon and make him a handy DT pick – up. After tearing his ACL in the Dons ANZAC day clash Hille is make a slow but positive return, he is currently completing all training and should be right to go come round 1. But Hille will most likely be spending more time up forward this season whilst he returns to footy.

With Hilles injury, saw Paddy Ryder burst onto the scene in 2009, Ryder shouldered most of the ruck duties for the remainder of the 2009 season and was arguably Essendon’s most important player.

After Hille is eased back into the swing of things, both he and Paddy Ryder will take the rucking duties.

The Backs

Essendon currently has some very talented KP Defenders coming through with the likes of Hurley and Pear. These two along with Hooker will hold down the key posts in the Essendon defence this year. The HBF is a perfect position for a quality DT’er, Courtney Dempsey, Hardingham, Myers, Slattery and NLM all capable running defenders. Hardingham is probably the only DT relevant player here, after being taken in the Pre season draft with the Dons as a mature aged player; he will get games under his belt in season 2010. He has the body to stand up to AFL level may prove to be a handy DT pickup with the lack of rookies in the backs this year.

The Forwards

The departure of Lloyd leaves a big gaping hole in the Essendon forward line structure, and can only be filled by one man, Scott Gumbleton. The highly rated junior has only managed 8 games in his 4 year career after being struck down with chronic soft tissue and back related injuries, but so far so good in season 2010, Gumbleton has had a flying and uninterrupted pre season. Being a KPP though, means that until he completely fills out his body, he won’t be a prolific ball winner such as Nick Riewoldt. But again with slim pickings in the forward line rookie priced section, Gumbleton may be a solid back-up averaging around the 50pt mark. Mark Williams will also be a focal point up forward. Maybe not too DT relevant though.


Best 22

Here is my view on Essendon’s best 22;

Fletcher – Pears – Slattery
Dempsey – Hurley – NLM


Dyson – Watson – Winderlich

Monfries – Gumbleton – Riemers
Williams – Neagle – Davey

Hille – Stanton – Prismall

Mcviegh – Ryder – Welsh – Lonergan – Jetta


There are a few young promising DT relevant kids coming through, but all with their associated risks. There doesn’t seem to be a clear cut pick from the Dons in 2009. Hopefully we will see the likes of Jetta, Myers, and Gumbleton all break through. And see David Hille make a successful return and become the bargain pick of 2010!

[tonynotte]

Is Bachar Houli in your best 22 or close to it? Im struggling for defenders. I need help. Stupid to have him in? good move? what? help!

[thebigboy]

Spike is at 268,000 as a Midfielder in DT, Worth it??

[Ben the Gooner]

Spike is at 268,000 as a Midfielder in DT, Worth it??

Well worth considering.

[Mars II]

When is Hill going to be back?

[Ben the Gooner]

When is Hill going to be back?

I'd be surprised if it wasn't round 1.

[Godzke]

Coaching panel have stated that anywhere between Round 1 and 4. He's on track for Round 1 but he won't be rush. If he's @ 95% they'll probably rest him.

[Trav0]

Is Bachar Houli in your best 22 or close to it? Im struggling for defenders. I need help. Stupid to have him in? good move? what? help!



hard to fit him in the top 25 id say at the moment, however who knows whats been going on over pre-season there might be some surprises, have to watch the NAB cup or atleast see who plays well.... hasnt crossed my mind to put him in to be honest!! although not too many bombers players have!!

[Charliebrow 16]

Just interested in hearing opinions regarding Williams? He's quite cheap (264,00) and will most likely be our leading goal kicker on a weekly basis.

[Ben the Gooner]

Just interested in hearing opinions regarding Williams? He's quite cheap (264,00) and will most likely be our leading goal kicker on a weekly basis.

Just doesn't have the history of point-scoring in fantasy terms. Even when he kicked 80-odd for Hawthorn, he wasn't fantastic at DT or SC. Pass.

[Trav0]

Just interested in hearing opinions regarding Williams? He's quite cheap (264,00) and will most likely be our leading goal kicker on a weekly basis.


i seem to remember he used to kick bags of goals but it was like 6goals from 9 kicks, so yeah not sure he will get big scores even if he kicks bags of goals, and if hes not kicking goals it could be a very low score

[Giggidy Giggidy]

Just doesn't have the history of point-scoring in fantasy terms. Even when he kicked 80-odd for Hawthorn, he wasn't fantastic at DT or SC. Pass.

I probably won't pick him either, but if he were to return to 2005-2007 scores and avoid injury he would be an absolute bargain (at least in SC).

Averaged 81 in 43 games from 2005 to early 2007 before injury ended his season.