Ballarat Football Umpires Association [Archive]

timelord

1st May 2003, 23:26

Forget it. They kicked me out at the beginning of last year because "it wasn't financially viable" for me to umpire with the BFUL. I will never forgive Ian Waite for telling me how to run my f'ing finances!!!

This was one of several problems that nearly caused me to hang up my boots as an umpire - luckily the VAFA stepped in!

goaldrush

4th May 2003, 18:16

Originally posted by timelord
Forget it. They kicked me out at the beginning of last year because "it wasn't financially viable" for me to umpire with the BFUL. I will never forgive Ian Waite for telling me how to run my f'ing finances!!!

This was one of several problems that nearly caused me to hang up my boots as an umpire - luckily the VAFA stepped in! Argh! g'day Phil. Waighty can be like that. However, I think he may of done the right thing. I did hear about you spitting the dummy.

timelord

4th May 2003, 22:56

Did the right thing? HUH?????? Do you guys want new recruits or don't you? If Ian Waight is like that then I suggest you get rid of him because he's costing you umpires - IMHO!!!

It isn't just crowd and player behaviour that's bringing umpiring numbers down. There are other issues as well - and this sort of lack of flexibility by associations is one of them!

Oh - and for the record, I don't give a rats behind if I don't make money out of umpiring, which is why I took offense to Waight's attitude. I treat any money I make as bonus material.

you_idiot

4th May 2003, 23:23

Going to ask this question because as the anchor for the Ballarat Courier's coverage of the Central Highlands Football League, I would like some added insight (Suzi, your help would be especially appreciated)...

Is the BFL so hard-up for umpires that they would have to borrow personnel from the CHFL, or even the Lexton Plains league? Seeing that all three of those leagues may fall under the BFUA banner, was wondering if this may be the case?

Another reason why I ask is that from what I've seen in my two years of covering the CHFL for the Courier is that while there are a lot of young umpires coming through the ranks, the volume of numbers (from what I've been able to observe) isn't all that great, either.

goaldrush

5th May 2003, 10:43

Originally posted by you_idiot
Going to ask this question because as the anchor for the Ballarat Courier's coverage of the Central Highlands Football League, I would like some added insight (Suzi, your help would be especially appreciated)...

Is the BFL so hard-up for umpires that they would have to borrow personnel from the CHFL, or even the Lexton Plains league? Seeing that all three of those leagues may fall under the BFUA banner, was wondering if this may be the case?

Another reason why I ask is that from what I've seen in my two years of covering the CHFL for the Courier is that while there are a lot of young umpires coming through the ranks, the volume of numbers (from what I've been able to observe) isn't all that great, either. The umpires need more people with the right sort of attitude. It's not about money. That's where TimeLord has got it wrong.

We umpire the CHFL and some of the club umpires there don't move enough and get all the scores wrong.

Please if you want to join us please go to http://www.bfua.com.au

And Phil,

Have a good look at your attitude.

goaldrush

5th May 2003, 14:08

Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
Are they still really short on umpires for the BFL (I mean obviously they're one shorter, now, but I mean overall)? Yes we are really short. Mobbenfuhrer, come to training on Wednesday at the City Oval and I will get you to register.

Mobbenfuhrer

5th May 2003, 14:16

Various things are in the road of that, Suzi :
a. Only free approx every second Saturday.
b. Not free on Wednesday's at all.
c. Am in Melbourne and don't drive. PT cost would be prohibitive.
d. Am very unfit and can't run more than about 100 metres.
e. Am too keen on going to the Reds and supporting them.

So, sorry, no go.

goaldrush

5th May 2003, 14:24

Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
Various things are in the road of that, Suzi :
a. Only free approx every second Saturday.
b. Not free on Wednesday's at all.
c. Am in Melbourne and don't drive. PT cost would be prohibitive.
d. Am very unfit and can't run more than about 100 metres.
e. Am too keen on going to the Reds and supporting them.

So, sorry, no go. That's ok Mobbs. It's just the thought that counts.

Mobbenfuhrer

5th May 2003, 14:28

I know its only slightly relevant, but I'll tell you what I DID do on the weekend ... I went to Melbourne Sports Books and bought the Ballarat FL history book. Its a great read!

goaldrush

5th May 2003, 14:35

Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
I know its only slightly relevant, but I'll tell you what I DID do on the weekend ... I went to Melbourne Sports Books and bought the Ballarat FL history book. Its a great read! That's good, Mobbs.

Mobbenfuhrer

5th May 2003, 14:37

It's great.

goaldrush

5th May 2003, 14:40

Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
It's great. Fantastic.

timelord

5th May 2003, 15:01

Originally posted by goaldrush
The umpires need more people with the right sort of attitude. It's not about money. That's where TimeLord has got it wrong.

We umpire the CHFL and some of the club umpires there don't move enough and get all the scores wrong.

And Phil,

Have a good look at your attitude.

I beg your pardon??!!!

Are you saying that Ian Waight has every right to dictate to me how I should run my finances? That's what you're effectively saying!!! So it IS about money - from Waight's point of view and NOT mine!

I think YOU are the one who needs to look at this thing from a more flexible angle - before attacking my attitude. Don't start putting yourself across as a know all (which is what I'm seeing right now) because it will get you nowhere with me - or anyone else with the ability to think flexibly for that matter.

You don't understand the situation from my side - and until you do I suggest you stop trying to defend the indefensible.

goaldrush

5th May 2003, 15:06

Originally posted by timelord
I beg your pardon??!!!

Are you saying that Ian Waight has every right to dictate to me how I should run my finances? That's what you're effectively saying!!! So it IS about money - from Waight's point of view and NOT mine!

I think YOU are the one who needs to look at this thing from a more flexible angle - before attacking my attitude. Don't start putting yourself across as a know all (which is what I'm seeing right now) because it will get you nowhere with me - or anyone else with the ability to think flexibly for that matter.

You don't understand the situation from my side - and until you do I suggest you stop trying to defend the indefensible. It is your attitude that is the problem here. I know this and you know this but are continuing to be narky over the incident.

If you be a little more positive about umpiring and show us a bit of respect, you might just get back in. You won't be allowed back in until you change that attitude.

If you continue to bag the crap out of us, you look like a fool. The ball is in your court.

Grow up and get a life.

Scarlett Pimp

5th May 2003, 15:11

I spoke to some guy on the weekend called Jockey (?) and he said he was an umpire with you Suzi... said you were the main reason why he left.

Is that true?

timelord

5th May 2003, 15:14

How can one be positive about umpiring when crap like this is SUPPORTED???????

I'm narky about this issue because you are flatly refusing to acknowledge that I just might have a good point! Forgetting any opinions on my attitude for the moment.

I love the game. I love umpiring. I don't give a rats behind about the money because that's not important to me. Heck, to even get a game I would gladly run into the red - which is what Waight didn't get and what I totally disrespect about him.

Why don't you just admit that you don't understand the whole story - and just leave it huh? If the BFUA want umpires - get rid of Waight and you'll get them. I don't need to say or do a thing. It'll happen by itself. I'm just bringing the moment forward because for the sake of umpiring in Ballarat, Central Highlands and Lexton Plains - it HAS to happen.

PS - Oh and I DEMAND an apology from you that I "get a life and grow up". I find that totally slanderous and offensive.

tige19

5th May 2003, 22:11

Does Suzi umpire in the BFL ??? cause if shes the umpire i think she is then i would be glad to put my hand up and say ive seen the most disoriantated looking Women ever.

goaldrush

6th May 2003, 13:23

Originally posted by timelord
How can one be positive about umpiring when crap like this is SUPPORTED???????

I'm narky about this issue because you are flatly refusing to acknowledge that I just might have a good point! Forgetting any opinions on my attitude for the moment.

I love the game. I love umpiring. I don't give a rats behind about the money because that's not important to me. Heck, to even get a game I would gladly run into the red - which is what Waight didn't get and what I totally disrespect about him.

Why don't you just admit that you don't understand the whole story - and just leave it huh? If the BFUA want umpires - get rid of Waight and you'll get them. I don't need to say or do a thing. It'll happen by itself. I'm just bringing the moment forward because for the sake of umpiring in Ballarat, Central Highlands and Lexton Plains - it HAS to happen.

PS - Oh and I DEMAND an apology from you that I "get a life and grow up". I find that totally slanderous and offensive.
It is your attitude and the way how you bad mouth the BFUA at all times. You have a grudge against Ian Waight. Just remember when you ever have an argument with Ian Waight, you are gawn until you fix up what things in your situation. You must learn how to respect the board and it's members. Until you do, Waighty won't let you in.

timelord

6th May 2003, 22:45

Originally posted by goaldrush

It is your attitude and the way how you bad mouth the BFUA at all times. You have a grudge against Ian Waight. Just remember when you ever have an argument with Ian Waight, you are gawn until you fix up what things in your situation. You must learn how to respect the board and it's members. Until you do, Waighty won't let you in.

You have absolutely NO idea! Of course I have a grudge against Ian Waight. I have a grudge against EVERYONE who holds back the recruitment of umpires - because that problem affects EVERYONE! Clubs, Leagues, the whole box and dice! No umpires, no games! Simple!

I have done nothing wrong. Ian Waight is the one who needs to apologize to me for trying to tell me how to run my finances. That has NOTHING to do with umpiring - and therefore he has NO right to do such a thing! Hence, there is NO way I can respect him.

YOU are the one who needs to learn respect, young lady. Respect for the game and respect for the needs of individuals who are involved. The VAFAUA are the poster group for such a thing. The BFUA board, along with the WRFLUA board, need a clean out. For the record, the WRFLUA is the worse of the two. I will say this in the BFUA's favour. They don't have an association fee as a lump sum. It's what attracted me to start with. But with someone like Waight who interferes in something that is NONE of his business (my finances) that is VERY different!

And you - of all people - should understand the importance of respect for the differences of individuals. I know who you are now BTW.

And where is that apology????

timelord

6th May 2003, 23:08

Just a quick note for everyone else. Don't jump in on this thread, if you wouldn't mind? Leave Suzi to me here. Just sit back, relax, get some popcorn - and enjoy watching me take her apart, without abusing nine shades of cow manure out of her as some other have already done.

goaldrush

7th May 2003, 10:34

End of story. Timelord has made it to my ignore list.

tige19

7th May 2003, 11:51

Originally posted by goaldrush
End of story. Timelord has made it to my ignore list.

Gee you would be spewing now mate.

timelord

7th May 2003, 16:21

She's not getting off that easily, Tige. She needs to learn a lesson - and I am one person who is not used to NOT getting the last word. And the lesson is a simple one. Accountability and respect.

And if I have to take it to her face to face at the City Oval - I'll do it. But that would be a last resort, and it would have to be handled the right way.

I have to assume that she was abusive given that Kev (bless him) edited the post. I don't suppose you kept a copy of it do you, Kev? If so, I want to see it. If not then OK.

naughty monkey

7th May 2003, 18:10

Originally posted by timelord
...
And if I have to take it to her face to face at the City Oval - I'll do it. But that would be a last resort, and it would have to be handled the right way.
...

this could be more fun than a 1/4 time siren :D

timelord

7th May 2003, 20:29

I'll have it videod for you if you like, NM! :D

goaldrush

8th May 2003, 09:06

After reading what you had posted, I can tell that you are in real need of some sort of councelling, timelord. Get over it or better still why don't you sort it out with Waighty, the guy who booted you in the first place.

timelord

8th May 2003, 09:14

I don't need any counselling, young lady. You do. My problem on this board is not with Waight. It's with you.

APOLOGIZE!! And start earning some respect (and not just from me from what I've been reading on other threads) and be accountable.

For the record, it's Waight that should be approaching me and apologizing - because I have done nothing wrong to him. He was the one that was out of line. If you don't understand that, then you are a bigger fool than I thought you were.

And I thought you were ignoring me?

goaldrush

8th May 2003, 09:23

Originally posted by timelord
I don't need any counselling, young lady. You do. My problem on this board is not with Waight. It's with you.

APOLOGIZE!! And start earning some respect (and not just from me from what I've been reading on other threads) and be accountable.

For the record, it's Waight that should be approaching me and apologizing - because I have done nothing wrong to him. He was the one that was out of line. If you don't understand that, then you are a bigger fool than I thought you were.

And I thought you were ignoring me? You will have to ring him yourself. That is because YOU have got SOUR GRAPES over your booting from OUR association. That's why it is up to you to go and SORT it OUT in private.

timelord

8th May 2003, 09:34

Originally posted by goaldrush
You will have to ring him yourself. That is because YOU have got SOUR GRAPES over your booting from OUR association. That's why it is up to you to go and SORT it OUT in private.

OK folks - it's official. Suzi approves of people dictating to other people how to run their finances when it's none of their business.

Well done, young lady, well done. The list of foolish statements keeps on growing.

I repeat - I have NOTHING to apologize for to Waight. HE is the one who should be apologizing. The "sour grapes" (as you put it) are therefore totally and utterly justified because he had NO RIGHT doing what he did (and I'm not talking about kicking me out, I'm talking about dictating to me how I should make money out of umpiring).

Anyway - nobody should be kicking new umpires out if they want to umpire. The money situation shouldn't even be an issue.

goaldrush

8th May 2003, 09:40

You are in deep trouble now, phil

timelord

8th May 2003, 09:47

Originally posted by goaldrush
You are in deep trouble now, phil

Good, I look forward to making you look like the fool that you are.

goaldrush

8th May 2003, 09:55

Originally posted by timelord
Good, I look forward to making you look like the fool that you are. Blaming me for your booting from the bfua isn't a great thing it is in fact very foolish. You really need to get out more

timelord

8th May 2003, 10:00

Originally posted by goaldrush
Blaming me for your booting from the bfua isn't a great thing it is in fact very foolish. You really need to get out more

I'm not blaming you for being denied access to umpiring in Ballarat. Read what I'm writing. (Another foolish statement folks!) Maybe you are the one who needs to get out more - and take lessons in comprehension.

Or is this your idea of "Timelord is on my ignore list"? :rolleyes:

goaldrush

8th May 2003, 10:07

Thanks for hijacking the thread timelord with your problems:rolleyes:

timelord

8th May 2003, 10:09

Thank you for giving me a golden opportunity to state the facts - as any reasonable person would for the good of the game we all love.

naughty monkey

8th May 2003, 13:17

Just as long as you post it on BF, wrestling board maybe? :D

timelord

8th May 2003, 22:28

As Stone Cold Steve Austin would say - "WHAT?" *ROTFLMAO*

goaldrush

9th May 2003, 10:13

timelord,

instead of sorting your problems out on here, why don't you try and recruit some people for us then. It would be better than bad mouthing the association because you didn't make the fieldies list. You could always try out in the goals if you want.

timelord

9th May 2003, 10:44

Originally posted by goaldrush
timelord,

instead of sorting your problems out on here, why don't you try and recruit some people for us then. It would be better than bad mouthing the association because you didn't make the fieldies list. You could always try out in the goals if you want.

Get rid of Ian Waight. Then I'll consider it. As long as he's there, the BFUA is an intolerant and inflexible organisation because he is the poster boy for it IRL - and you are the poster girl for it in this forum. A tolerant and flexible organisation would not have treated me the way Waight did - and I would have been included on the fieldies list, with open arms.

I'm not sorting out my problems on here. I was merely doing a public service. You are the one creating the problem - so why don't you just shut your mouth and move on. And accept that I have a legitimate case that is not mine to resolve. If you want to carry a chip on your shoulder that really belongs to Waight then that's your burden - not mine.

goaldrush

9th May 2003, 10:48

Originally posted by timelord
Get rid of Ian Waight. Then I'll consider it. As long as he's there, the BFUA is an intolerant and inflexible organisation because he is the poster boy for it IRL - and you are the poster girl for it in this forum. A tolerant and flexible organisation would not have treated me the way Waight did - and I would have been included on the fieldies list, with open arms.

I'm not sorting out my problems on here. I was merely doing a public service. You are the one creating the problem - so why don't you just shut your mouth and move on. And accept that I have a legitimate case that is not mine to resolve. If you want to carry a chip on your shoulder that really belongs to Waight then that's your burden - not mine. I can help you out here.

Go to the BFUA website. (http://www.bfua.com.au) and email the guys. Tell them how angry you are at Ian Waight's decision.

timelord

9th May 2003, 10:51

They already know - or I assume they already know because of my letter to Football Victoria in September last year.

timelord

9th May 2003, 11:01

Football Victoria is in charge of umpiring recruitment to the VFL and therefore has an interest in ALL umpiring associations. The fact that they aren't actually members is irrelevant. Hold backs to umpiring recruitment is therefore of concern to them - which is why they was the ones who dealt with my letter.

goaldrush

9th May 2003, 11:20

Ok then.

I spoke to Ian Waight on Wednesday night and he told me to pass on to you that you can come back to the association as a goal umpire if you wish. However, you have already told me that you want to wait until he goes.

timelord

9th May 2003, 11:27

I am a Level 2 accredited FIELD umpire. Why would I want to do goals? Anyway - I am happy on the field, and off it as well, with the VAFAUA. Because they have treated me correctly.

I do not believe you BTW. I want to hear it from Waight himself, by email. He can get my addy from my website (see my signature)

Anyway he needs to apologize to me for trying to tell me how to run my finances - and indeed my life for that matter. How would you like it if you were told you were not welcome at the City Oval huh? And by someone who had no right to tell you that. Think about it.

Mobbenfuhrer

9th May 2003, 11:57

Alrighty.

We have established that timelord is happy umpiring where he is, that he's not impressed with the BFUA, while goaldrush disputes that his falling out with the BFUA is not the BFUA's fault. All fine to argue the point, but now that both cases have a been put across, I'd rather be done with it as far as this board is concerned.

I'm going to close the thread because the discussion is sort of wandering off into a personal thingy, which can't really be resolved here.