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cats2rise
24 Jan 2010, 23:07
I am really out of whack and don't know the full story.
Anyone care to give me the story in a simple way? Would be greatful.
Cheers guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Tonight_Show_host_and_timeslot_conflict
Letterman doesn't haven't anything to do with it now. He's just poking fun and Jay which is awesome.:)
flight23
24 Jan 2010, 23:24
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The Old Dark Navy's
24 Jan 2010, 23:34
The whole story? Letterman was given a late night show on NBC in 1982 following Johnny Carson's Tonight Show. In 1993, NBC brought Jay Leno in to host the Tonight Show so Letterman left and went to CBS to go up against the Tonight Show. I think he was pretty cut he didn't get the gig on the Tonight Show as he was a protege of Carson and used to guest host the show frequently. That explains the bad blood between Letterman and NBC/Leno.
During the first half of 2009, Leno announced he was stepping down and Conan O'Brien who had the later show on NBC was given the Tonight Show hosting duties and has hosted into 2010. Leno got a prime time show that failed and wanted the Tonight Show back. O'Brien was asked to get bumped back 30 minutes into the later show again, refused and has waged a war of words with the network and Leno ever since, before negotiation his release. He will probably take his show elsewhere.
Pretty poor form by Leno and NBC but the fact remains, his ratings were higher than both Letterman and O'Brien. Leno is a distant third as far as my preferences go and O'Brien did not have enough time to make his own mark in the timeslot.
Letterman of course is just taking a few free shots from the gallery on this one, having been in a similar position 16+ years ago.
Admiral Afterworld
25 Jan 2010, 00:17
During the first half of 2009, Leno announced he was stepping down
This part is wrong. NBC said in 2004 that O'Brien would be taking over The Tonight Show in 2009 and Leno, publicly at least, was happy with this.
Plugger35
25 Jan 2010, 00:37
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That video pretty much sums it up perfectly.:D
Long story short. Conan took over Leno's Tonight Show last year after being promised it years ago. He didn't get enough ratings because the American public are idiots and so NBC panicked and decided to bring back the safe bet in Leno. Conan got the shits at being bumped back to a later slot and so walked out with a nice little million dollar payout. Meanwhile Letterman laughed his ass off and paid out on NBC and Leno relentlessly.
J_Moore
25 Jan 2010, 01:23
http://tv.gawker.com/tag/thetonightshow/
midorigreenwood
25 Jan 2010, 01:51
That video pretty much sums it up perfectly.:D
Long story short. Conan took over Leno's Tonight Show last year after being promised it years ago. He didn't get enough ratings because the American public are idiots and so NBC panicked and decided to bring back the safe bet in Leno.
short story long coming up....
nah, the poor ratings was mainly because his show had such a poor lead in.....
The Tonight Show traditionally could rely on strong programming like Law and Order and ER to help maintain ratings at a high level.
However the geniuses at NBC decided that dramas are too expensive so they gambled by giving Jay Leno a variety show in that 10pm prime time slot instead thinking they will save millions of dollars in production costs.
IIRC a weeks worth of Tonight Show cost around 1.3 million dollars while an episode of drama programming could cost millions.
The following below is the main reason for this entire debacle.
The thing you have to understand about American television is that most different areas have their own affiliated station...
its like how Channel Nine in Perth is owned by different people to Channel Nine in the eastern states.
These affiliate stations run a mixture of Network shows and their own local programming.
With Network shows, NBC sells most of the advertising air time leaving the affiliate station with only a small cut.
On the other hand with local programming, the affiliate stations gets the biggest chunk of the ad money pie.
So now that you understand about this dynamic you can see when the problem really started.
Jay Leno starts at 10pm...... he gets terrible ratings.....but the Network NBC thinks that because production costs are so low.... they can still get a good profit out of it....
HOWEVER at 11pm when the show ends is when there is the local late night news which is traditionally a cash cow for the local station.
As this is local programming, this slot is very important to the affiliate station and because of Jay Leno's terrible ratings..... it affects the ratings of the late night news and therefore the bottom line of the affiliate station.
So the affiliate stations gets pissed off at NBC and threaten to drop Jay Leno's show altogether which would affect the bottom line of the national broadcaster...... So they are forced to cancel the program.
So now Jay Leno is left without a show.....
NBC doesn't want him to leave and go to another network and compete against them.....
so they fug Conan O'brien in the arse and eventually leno gets his show back.
There are conspiracy theories that Jay Leno purposely orchestrated the move into the 10PM primetime slot to kill off ratings for the 11:30PM Tonight show so that he could steal back his show.
who knows..... he did some crazy shit to get the Tonight Show in the first place...kicking David Letterman in the nuts.
Ruddeger07
25 Jan 2010, 06:31
The whole story? Letterman was given a late night show on NBC in 1982 following Johnny Carson's Tonight Show. In 1993, NBC brought Jay Leno in to host the Tonight Show so Letterman left and went to CBS to go up against the Tonight Show. I think he was pretty cut he didn't get the gig on the Tonight Show as he was a protege of Carson and used to guest host the show frequently. That explains the bad blood between Letterman and NBC/Leno.
Didn't Leno and his manager pretty much push Carson out of his Tonight Show ?
I think Carson may've even appeared on Letterman's show but never on Leno's Tonight Show because he didn't like Leno for doing what he did.
ozasismick
25 Jan 2010, 09:08
Watch 'The Late Shift' for a not too bad movie in regards to Leno/Letterman/Carson.
Borgsta
25 Jan 2010, 09:40
I love the fact that Conen is acting like a 5y.o and wasting all of NBC's money.
I reckon all 3 make the 7pm project look like comedic geniuses. Too tame and fence sitting for my liking.
Borgsta
25 Jan 2010, 09:57
Conen is tame and a fence sitter now??
Conen is tame and a fence sitter now??
In his interviews etc he is. Apart from NBC he doesnt really step on that many toes nor does he blow me away with his one liners. For all the crap Rove gets hes hardly worse than these 3.
flight23
25 Jan 2010, 10:02
i was gonna have a crack....... but its either a troll or if its not, theres actually nothing to say
i was gonna have a crack....... but its either a troll or if its not, theres actually nothing to say
Well spotted my friend.
Anyone care to explain how Jay Leno is so rich. It isnt off this show surely?
midorigreenwood
25 Jan 2010, 10:19
Anyone care to explain how Jay Leno is so rich. It isnt off this show surely?
One episode of the Tonight show cost around $250K
One episode of a scripted program like ER cost 3 Million dollars.
they may only get 1/3 of the ratings (and most importantly a fair chunk of the 18-49 demographic)......but they cost 1/10 of the price tag.
It was a win win situation for NBC and Jay Leno.
NBC is getting good value for money.
they may be paying Leno 20 million to star in the talk show....
but in return.... they are getting hundreds of hours of cheap programming to fill in their time slot.
The funny thing is that Jay Leno is so paranoid that he will become a homeless bum one of these days that he doesn't spend ANY of his Tonight show money at all...... it goes straight into the bank.
Instead he does stand up comedy at comedy clubs and live appearances at Las Vegas for his "pocket money" which pays for his living expenses and Car Collection.
legend166
25 Jan 2010, 10:30
The whole story? Letterman was given a late night show on NBC in 1982 following Johnny Carson's Tonight Show. In 1993, NBC brought Jay Leno in to host the Tonight Show so Letterman left and went to CBS to go up against the Tonight Show. I think he was pretty cut he didn't get the gig on the Tonight Show as he was a protege of Carson and used to guest host the show frequently. That explains the bad blood between Letterman and NBC/Leno.
During the first half of 2009, Leno announced he was stepping down and Conan O'Brien who had the later show on NBC was given the Tonight Show hosting duties and has hosted into 2010. Leno got a prime time show that failed and wanted the Tonight Show back. O'Brien was asked to get bumped back 30 minutes into the later show again, refused and has waged a war of words with the network and Leno ever since, before negotiation his release. He will probably take his show elsewhere.
Pretty poor form by Leno and NBC but the fact remains, his ratings were higher than both Letterman and O'Brien. Leno is a distant third as far as my preferences go and O'Brien did not have enough time to make his own mark in the timeslot.
Letterman of course is just taking a few free shots from the gallery on this one, having been in a similar position 16+ years ago.
That's, uh, pretty much all wrong :P
Letterman didn't guest host the Tonight Show. He was hosting Late Night, which Conan later took over. Leno was a frequent guest host of the Tonight Show.
Carson saw Letterman as his successor. Letterman thought that was enough and because he was a successful Late Night host, he'd get the gig.
Leno, saw it differently. He actually leaked a (fake) story to the press saying that Carson was planning on retiring and giving the show to him. That set the ball rolling on Carson's retirement and Leno getting it in the end. So, in a sense, Leno helped to push out Carson. He also did a bunch of dodgy stuff whilst the NBC execs were deciding whom to give the show to. For example, he hid in a closest to eavesdrop on a board meeting. He also went around to all the affiliates behind Letterman's back talking himself up. Leno and Letterman used to be friends, actually. Leno always went on Letterman's Late Night.
Leno's ratings for the first two years were poor and he was constantly beaten by Letterman on CBS. Then, Leno struck gold and managed to get Hugh Grant the day after he was arrested for soliciting a prostitute. It got him big ratings and he never really looked back. His audience was always skewed older, however.
Now, fast forward to 2004. Conan's contract at NBC was running out and he was getting some offers from other networks. Letterman was sounding him out about coming to host the Late Late Show and then take over in a couple of years when he would retire. So Conan went to NBC basically saying "Look, what are the plans for the future, I'm getting some pretty good offers here. Is the Tonight Show going to be available?"
NBC didn't want to lose Conan and went to Leno and proposed he retire in 2009 and give Conan the Tonight Show. I don't think Leno would have chosen that time, but from everything he said, he was relatively happy to leave at that time. He said it would be nice to go out on top, and that he didn't want to have the same situation that occured between him and Letterman. He described the Tonight Show as a dynasty that you hold for awhile and then pass on to the next guy. He said he was happy to retire. These are things he said publically on his show when they made then announcement.
Anyway, 2009 comes around and Leno changes his mind. NBC panics because they don't want him to go to another station and hurt Conan's chance of success. They offer Leno and bunch of options to stay at NBC - an American Top Gear (honestly, I think with Leno as host, that would have actually been great), an 8pm half hour show, a day time show, a weekend show, some specials, etc. He declines all of these. They finally offer him a 10pm show that is pretty much exactly like the Tonight Show. He accepts. NBC started advertising the crap out of it, much more than Conan. Leno, for example, got a Superbowl ad.
June 2009 comes and Conan debuts on the Tonight Show. He's initially successful, but then falls behind Letterman in the ratings. This was pretty much expected by everyone, including NBC.
Now, read midorigreenwood's post for the next part of the story.
So basically, this is what happened:
- Leno went back on his word and was generally a dick head about everything.
- Conan's ratings weren't great (they weren't disasterous like NBC exec would now have you believe) for a number of reasons - incredibly poor lead in (local news ratings were down by as much as 50%), getting B-list guests because Leno was taking all the A-listers, playing second fiddle to Leno is advertising, etc
- NBC made a really short term decision that is going to hurt them in the future. Conan shouldn't have been expected to beat Letterman. Letterman is going to retire in a couple of years anyway, the guy is getting old. They've given up 15 years of Conan, with him most likely dominating for 12-13 of those years, for 5-6 more years of Leno. And who knows how he'll go after his reputation has taken a battering.
I know way too much about this.
Magpiespower
25 Jan 2010, 10:57
Pretty interesting read...
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The Old Dark Navy's
25 Jan 2010, 11:48
That's, uh, pretty much all wrong :P
Letterman didn't guest host the Tonight Show. He was hosting Late Night, which Conan later took over. Leno was a frequent guest host of the Tonight Show.
Carson saw Letterman as his successor. Letterman thought that was enough and because he was a successful Late Night host, he'd get the gig.
No, Letterman was a regular guest host on Carson's show in 1978 and a regular guest as well. Carson was Letterman's mentor. He got the Late Night show in 1980. It was not just the fact that Letterman had the late night show, but the fact that he got that show through his work on Tonight and because he had Carson's support.
http://www.biography.com/articles/David-Letterman-9380239
Pretty much every Monday, a guest host would host the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, as well as when he was on holidays or sick or whatever.
The following hosted the show as guest host more than 50 times:
177 - Joey Bishop
93 - Joan Rivers
87 - John Davidson
87 - Bob Newhart
70 - David Brenner
58 - McLean Stevenson
52 - Jerry Lewis
51 - David Letterman
Garry Shandling, Joan Rivers and Jay Leno actually had permanent guest host roles on the show, whereby they were contracted to step in whenever needed instead of getting a random guest host to fill in as previously. Rivers from 83-86, Shandling from 86-87 and Leno from 87-92 at which point he took over the show full time.
So Letterman hosted the show 51 times, was a regular guest and had his own show based on his ability to host the Tonight Show. I can understand the sentiment. If he didn't have the Late Night show, he would have continued hosting Tonight and become a permanent guest host as long as he wanted it. They ended up choosing the part timer over the full timer who had a much better resume.
legend166
25 Jan 2010, 13:42
Well, damn.
The Old Dark Navy's
25 Jan 2010, 13:53
Yeah, if it was a relegation/demotion thing, every time Carson was off, Letterman would step into his shoes and Leno would step into Letterman's shoes, but as Letterman had his following, it would have upset both shows to do this. It was much easier to just throw in a part timer to cover for Carson and keep Letterman's show humming along. He had earned that gig ahead of Leno and rightly felt that someone under him was now being promoted ahead of him. NBC trying to have their cake and eat it too, and now it has been done twice in Leno's favour.
Borgsta
25 Jan 2010, 14:34
Leno sure has some good photos of someone in a compromising position.
Gasometer
25 Jan 2010, 14:59
Letterman this past week has dished it up to Leno, Conan and NBC...very funny viewing.
Gaso
Ruddeger07
25 Jan 2010, 15:33
Letterman this past week has dished it up to Leno, Conan and NBC...very funny viewing.
Gaso
He hasn't had a go at Conan,he's defended him.It'll be interesting to see how Leno goes when he goes back to 11.30pm.If he fails who would be next in line for The Tonight Show ? Surely not Fallon
Borgsta
25 Jan 2010, 16:03
They will give Leno at least 2 years to win the audience back. The interesting thing is what they do with the 10:30 slot.
legend166
25 Jan 2010, 16:12
They will give Leno at least 2 years to win the audience back. The interesting thing is what they do with the 10:30 slot.
If you mean the 10:00pm slot, they've already ordered a bunch of pilots. It'll be back to business as usual, i.e. primetime dramas.
Borgsta
25 Jan 2010, 17:32
so they are going to get the big rating dramas back. Absolute wankers of the highest order.
In his interviews etc he is. Apart from NBC he doesnt really step on that many toes nor does he blow me away with his one liners. For all the crap Rove gets hes hardly worse than these 3.
Rove is shite!!
Atleast Conan and Letterman are funny.
Btw Borgsta, it's Conan.
Byron_Clanger
25 Jan 2010, 18:48
im on Team Coco
Gasometer
25 Jan 2010, 19:10
Yes Leno copped the flack, but there was a degree of amibivalence LAST week towards Conan as well...as well as the family of 'affililiates'.
WTF it must be a gr8t feeling where the L man is atm as opposed to a few months ago when he was in the poo.
Gaso
Black Flag
25 Jan 2010, 19:48
Give the show to Howard Stern. Problem solved.
HarryTiger
25 Jan 2010, 23:25
I don't know his name, Jeff someone, but one of Australia's American imported comedians is on Letterman now bagging his adopted country Australia for his routine. It's funny seeing it from this side, when he's over here he bags the US for his routine. Failed the citizenship test because he didn't know the director of Croc Dundee 2.
Mick Malloy's Adelaide gig even just got a plug from Letterman himself somehow before this act. I don't think that was related to above.
Jeff Stilson. Quality stuff :D
midorigreenwood
25 Jan 2010, 23:34
ahh funny bloke....
makes me miss The Panel.
Noddy Holder
26 Jan 2010, 07:24
I don't know his name, Jeff someone, but one of Australia's American imported comedians is on Letterman now bagging his adopted country Australia for his routine. It's funny seeing it from this side, when he's over here he bags the US for his routine. Failed the citizenship test because he didn't know the director of Croc Dundee 2.
Mick Malloy's Adelaide gig even just got a plug from Letterman himself somehow before this act. I don't think that was related to above.
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Gold. I like when people crack up when he says that Australia has heroin injection clinics. He hasn't even reached the punchline yet.:D
I don't know his name, Jeff someone, but one of Australia's American imported comedians is on Letterman now bagging his adopted country Australia for his routine. It's funny seeing it from this side, when he's over here he bags the US for his routine. Failed the citizenship test because he didn't know the director of Croc Dundee 2.
Mick Malloy's Adelaide gig even just got a plug from Letterman himself somehow before this act. I don't think that was related to above.
Yeah, Mick Malloy and that comedian that just died.
Letterman will have to correct himself :(.
HarryTiger
26 Jan 2010, 11:19
Yeah, Mick Malloy and that comedian that just died.
Letterman will have to correct himself :(.
Dave Grant? He just got me 50 points on the BF death list comp.
Did you get why Letterman was plugging such an out of the way gig on US television? My attention had strayed at the time and it caught me by surprise.
Ruddeger07
26 Jan 2010, 11:28
Yeah, Mick Malloy and that comedian that just died.
Letterman will have to correct himself :(.
Glenn Robbins isn't dead unless Richard Wilkins mistook him for Dave Grant on the Today Show
Dave Grant? He just got me 50 points on the BF death list comp.
Did you get why Letterman was plugging such an out of the way gig on US television? My attention had strayed at the time and it caught me by surprise.
I'm pretty sure he said Dave Grant. I could be mistaken.
I have no idea why he did either, maybe because that Australian comedy routine came on?
He just said, "If you're ever heading to Adelaide in February, go to Malloys show."
Great to see everyone throwing their support behind Conan; from all accounts he is the nicest bloke you'll ever meet behind the scenes, loved and respected by all of his staff.
To be honest though, I didn't really think that much of his Tonight Show - he insisted he would keep his quirky style of humour but there's no doubt in my mind he was at least slightly hamstrung by having to cater to a different audience. By far the best episode I've seen was when he took pot shots at NBC with Ricky Gervais chiming in; it was like there was a huge weight off his shoulders and he could roll completely with his natural humour again. I think the move to Fox or whoever else he signs with will go on to be the best thing he ever does; he'll no doubt get an excellent time slot and be given free reign to be as quirky as he wants. Looking forward to it. :thumbsu:
Also, Leno deserves all the flak he is getting. Hasn't been all that well liked in the industry for a long time with the way he conducts himself.
Ruddeger07
26 Jan 2010, 14:35
I'm pretty sure he said Dave Grant. I could be mistaken.
I have no idea why he did either, maybe because that Australian comedy routine came on?
He just said, "If you're ever heading to Adelaide in February, go to Malloys show."
He said Glenn Robbins and Mick Molloy.Here is the show he plugged
http://tix.adelaidefringe.com.au/ticketing/EventDetails.aspx?EventGuid=413690f2-ec4e-45ae-9e60-2b9113e01141
My guess as to why Dave mentioned it is that it's Stilson's next stand up show and he's friends with Stilson as he was a writer on The Late Show before he moved to Australia.
Top Gear America with Leno you would think would have been a perfect show for him and it would have rated it's tits off.
The problem was . Conan was always going to struggle if he had to change his show a little bit. He's a much more accomplished guy on camera now obviously but it took him a good couple of years before he got into the groove of things on Late Night back in 93 or so I've heard.
There's also some irony that Conan replaced Letterman on Late Night when Letterman left NBC because of not getting the Tonight Show.
The Tonight Show needed more awkward conversations between Conan and Max Weinberg.
Heres a bit of a run down on the first Late Ngith war.
http://tv.gawker.com/5456733/the-first-great-late-night-war-a-video-chronology?skyline=true&s=i&autoplay=true
Also, have downloaded The Late Shift to watch. So will have a look at that when I get the chance.
Top Gear America with Leno you would think would have been a perfect show for him and it would have rated it's tits off.
The problem was . Conan was always going to struggle if he had to change his show a little bit. He's a much more accomplished guy on camera now obviously but it took him a good couple of years before he got into the groove of things on Late Night back in 93 or so I've heard.
There's also some irony that Conan replaced Letterman on Late Night when Letterman left NBC because of not getting the Tonight Show.
The Tonight Show needed more awkward conversations between Conan and Max Weinberg.
Agreed! Never got old. Richter on the other hand is awful.
Ended up watching The Late Shift tonight, was good. But geez Lenos manager was a bitch.
King Elvis
27 Jan 2010, 14:32
Letterman for mine has got his mojo back in the last few years; became a bit more serious and straight up in his interviews.
Pretty stiff on Conan, who seems like a good guy; what're the chances he'll end up with Letterman somehow?
Agreed! Never got old. Richter on the other hand is awful.
Apparently he was ok on Conan's old show.
He's just too safe. They need a Joel Goddard-esque announcer. Sure it's a pretty similar gag to the red head guy from Letterman but a creepy announcer = yes
Ended up watching The Late Shift tonight, was good. But geez Lenos manager was a bitch.
Too right, she was frightening. The opposite of Jay.
I like how the guy that plays the NBC exec is the same guy who plays the NBC exec Russell Dalrymple in Seinfeld.
weagles
27 Jan 2010, 19:11
Rove will be the next host of The Tonight Show. Bookmark it :D:rolleyes:.
Rove will be the next host of The Tonight Show. Bookmark it :D:rolleyes:.
Rove would be better than Jimmy Fallon for sure.
I think Rove might go alright with an American style talk show. I'm not saying he'll be brilliant I just think it suits him better than the Australian TV landscape where he could only interview channel 10 "stars", had poor timeslot choices (Sunday?), they had to refresh the premise of it half yearly and bring in too many people in to the mix. I think Rove is a bad show but Rove isn't that bad a talk show host.
here is a great read on the leno letterman tonight show debacle...
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/30/magazine/behind-the-headlines-in-the-leno-letterman-war.html?pagewanted=1
and here are some great youtube clips, courtesy of Jimmy Kimmel in the wake of Conan's axing... Kimmel is absolutely brutal in this first one...
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cats2rise
29 Jan 2010, 17:03
That interview in that first video is great :D
Jay Leno Tries to Set the Record Straight on Oprah, Comes Off as a Lying, Victimized Cry-Baby (http://tv.gawker.com/5458843/jay-leno-tries-to-set-the-record-straight-on-oprah-comes-off-as-a-lying-victimized-cry+baby?skyline=true&s=i&autoplay=true)
Videos of him on Oprah in link.
Oh please...
More of a douche then ever.
coldpieswarmbeer
1 Feb 2010, 04:59
The whole thing has been a pretty big mess but fun to watch.
Outcomes out of all of this?
- I never liked Leno but never thought he was a bad person. The stories of his backstabbing and politics to get the Tonight show in the first place are always attributed to his manager at the time, and Leno was supposed to be oblivious to the whole thing, until he caught on and fired her. So my view was he is either really naiive or really smart and wouldn''t have any problem letting his agent (who picked him up from the gutters and made him a star) take a the fall.
But after this debacle I seriously can't stand the guy. Before any other comedians started taking pot shots at him, he came out on his Jay Leno Show making jokes like "oh poor me, big bad nbc has cancelled me yet again.. i'm such victim" like helloooo. if it wasn't for you hanging out in the lobbies after being told to retire (to borrow a phrase from dave :D) this whole thing wouldn't have happened.
And his interview with Oprah was the last straw. He made it clear that he now blames Conan for losing the Tonight show, not taking responsibility for pushing him out. Did he forget that he needed about 2 years to finally get the ratings and become number one?
He has a massive ego, he is not as sharp as ANY of the other late night hosts, and he's really dumb (along with his pr guys)
- Conan:
****, Tonight Show with Conan was good but it was never as good as his peak at Late Night. Except for his last two weeks. He was as good as ever. I loved every second of it and his final show was classy and well done. I can't wait till his return. Hopefully on Fox.. they make a good fit and I'd like him to compete head to head with Leno and after a year or so start beating the old man
- Letterman:
Dude's like a sleeping giant finally awoken. He didn't miss a beat. I hope he can stay number one even after Leno returns to Tonight Show
- Ferguson:
Has stayed out of this for the most part, but just thought id mention him as I still believe he is the best american late night talk show host there is today
- Kimmel: Never liked him until now. Dude is vicious. The whole episode of him impersonating Leno, then the top 10 at 10 attack. and then his reaction to the Leno/ Oprah interview. he said the whole 10 at 10 attack, he expected Leno to take some shots back, like any other comedian would do. Instead Leno just stood there not knowing what else to do but read his cue cards. dumb ****
Fallon: Hope his show was the one being cancelled. How he got the roots still shits me. unfunny ****
sorry for the long post i just cant sleep and none of this means anything anwyays