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Tambaran
29 Jan 2010, 20:35
Will these back-to-back michelles give him a look in to the Test squad in New Zealand?
Has been a consistent Shield performer for the last few years since his final year in SA, and his mastery of swing has been the most impressive thing. Has good pace too. Today he was hooping it all over the place, while Siddle simply couldn't get the ball to move at all. Looked a class above.
What happens to Rhino from here? Predictions?
Cotchin 9
29 Jan 2010, 20:38
Can hit a ball.
outabounds
29 Jan 2010, 20:44
no problem with him being in the squad and putting some pressure on. dont get carried away with people moving a white ball around though. But hey, he has been fantastic and deserves a go.
LuvtheKangas
29 Jan 2010, 21:17
Perhaps I was wrong ...
jko'neal
29 Jan 2010, 21:18
Been great, awesome fielder for a fast bowler but he's getting wickets against a "D" grade world cricket team.
Stormers
29 Jan 2010, 21:31
Don't get your hopes up, Rhino will be dropped even if he takes another 5 wicket haul, that's just the way of the Aussie selectors, they just pick favourites, clearly Rhino is a more dangerous ODI bowler than Siddle, gets the ball to swing and has more pace, but they love Siddle
Belnakor
30 Jan 2010, 00:47
Harris was consistantly bowling with more pace, aggression and control than Siddle today. Siddle must have photos of the selectors in compromising positions.
Wally Carter
30 Jan 2010, 06:28
The Pakistanis are currently undergoing a complete mental collapse.
Let's see how he goes against other opposition.
Been great, awesome fielder for a fast bowler but he's getting wickets against a "D" grade world cricket team.
And Siddle can't? :rolleyes:
outabounds: same for the "swinging the white ball" comment.
Most cricket followers know how the white ball performs and know the quality of the opposition (which isn't "D" grade BTW)...
what people are saying here is both Siddle and Harris are using the same ball and playing the same team... and Harris looks a better option.
Yeah well I don't see Harris running in hard all-day, showing terrific aggression and stuff.
Loved his stuff last night and on the 26th, not sure about seeing him play test matches though.
Tambaran
30 Jan 2010, 08:11
Fact is, Siddle's record in ODI's is plain awful, and he doesn't really deserve to retain his spot.
If Rhino performs in FC cricket between now and NZ, he deserves a squad spot at the next level too.
The Falcon Strike
30 Jan 2010, 08:18
Should definitely be retained in all the ODI's - his performances ares still 1st rate - even given the opposition.
however - his shield performances haven't been exactly leaping off the pages.
it's a tough one picking our best odi bowling line-up (when fit) - arguably the only test bowler in the ODI line-up would be hauritz
I'd still have lee, bracken, hauritz as our best odi bolwers. The difficulty is picking the 4th bowler as there are a number of contenders.
Johnson, Harris, McKay all have strong claims for 4th
realsniper09
30 Jan 2010, 08:56
Should definitely be retained in all the ODI's - his performances ares still 1st rate - even given the opposition.
however - his shield performances haven't been exactly leaping off the pages.
it's a tough one picking our best odi bowling line-up (when fit) - arguably the only test bowler in the ODI line-up would be hauritz
I'd still have lee, bracken, hauritz as our best odi bolwers. The difficulty is picking the 4th bowler as there are a number of contenders.
Johnson, Harris, McKay all have strong claims for 4th
Exactly. The best of our ODIs and Tests are totally different. Hauritz is the only sure option at this stage...
Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Siddle are in contention for the test spots.
I too, would probably have Lee and Bracken as our best ODIs bowlers in any given match, if they can get back fit and show any kind of form, but there's quite a few such as Johnson, Harris, McKay, Bollinger, Siddle, Hilfenhaus who are around the team and even Hopes can be at number 8 although a specialist bowler is probably preferred with Watson opening.
Hilfenhaus and Siddle's position in the OD arena though, based on form and not selectors, are fairly shaky though given the rest of the competition.
Even then Hauritz hasn't really been impressive with the ball in the OD's so far, and Bracken wasn't in great form before the injury.......
Adelaide Hawk
30 Jan 2010, 09:12
Yeah well I don't see Harris running in hard all-day, showing terrific aggression and stuff.
I first saw Harris as a 17 year old in SACA Grade cricket, and the thing that impressed me most was his ability to give everything he had for the entire day's play, and in those days playing hours were the same as Test cricket.
He bowled something like 26-27 overs that day, all of them at full effort, and his last spell was as quick as his first. I saw Gillespie also as a 17 year old, and I rated Harris a better bowler at the same age.
At the moment, I don't think Harris is as fit as he could be, but continued selection in the Australian team would change all that.
I reckon judging by his body language yesterday Siddle is definately feeling the pinch. With ryan harris 5fer's, and bollinger, mackay etc. one would think bracken will comeback into the squad when fit and also johnson its likely siddle will miss the cut.
same could be said for test level, bollinger,johnson and watson getting the big wickets. when hilf is fit siddle will have to perform or its back to the little league.
I had to laugh last night at hauritz i reckon thought he had the MOM sewn up with the second last wicket then harris come through with the 5fer. to be fair hauritz had a good all round game so maybe a bit of hard luck for him.
ok a little off topic - allan border medal i reckon watson will be the favourite, he will naturally think its his, but there will be a darkhorse in the room i reckon maybe katich that will get it. the princess will leave the ball(room) in tears - brilliant. cricket is not about best and fairest its about hard luck.
Tambaran
30 Jan 2010, 09:33
WTF? Why was there a need to bag Watson for no reason at all? You're a tool.
Hauritz had a pretty poor bowling performance, by the way.
Siddle hasn't looked like taking wickets in ODIs, he should be dropped. Doesn't do anything with the ball when others are swinging it at will. Straight up and down will only get you so far.
The Falcon Strike
30 Jan 2010, 09:42
Even then Hauritz hasn't really been impressive with the ball in the OD's so far, and Bracken wasn't in great form before the injury.......
he's had a couple of poor peformances - but has been good for a while!!
I think aaron heal would be sniffing an ODI call-up if they think Haury needs a rest. Howver - smith is likely to get the gig given he is only 21
High Ryder
30 Jan 2010, 10:18
WTF? Why was there a need to bag Watson for no reason at all? You're a tool.
Hauritz had a pretty poor bowling performance, by the way.
Siddle hasn't looked like taking wickets in ODIs, he should be dropped. Doesn't do anything with the ball when others are swinging it at will. Straight up and down will only get you so far.
And here i was thinking he took 2 wickets last night :confused:
Tambaran
30 Jan 2010, 10:54
And here i was thinking he took 2 wickets last night :confused:
Yet he can't even pocket a wicket a game after 15 games, and has a poor average and strike-rate.
15 matches, 14 wickets is not what you want from your opening bowler.
He's not a good ODI bowler, and took a couple of lucky wickets last night.
apollo_creed
30 Jan 2010, 11:38
honestly - even though the evidence is obvious and siddle's performances warrant being replaced/dropped victorians will still throw any kind of denial they can at the facts.
for ****s sake. siddle has disappointed. he isn't a good enough one day bowler.
it's not complicated. so don't make it that way.
Harris has been looking brilliant thus far. He's bowled with pace, moved the ball, bowled fairly well at the death and has caused a few problems with bounce.
I'm not exactly sure why Siddle is continuing to bowl in ODI's. He's injury prone as it is and rarely takes enough wickets to justify his place. His ER is reasonable, but you expect your new-ball bowler to strike quickly. He rarely does.
I like Bracken, but he is in his early 30's already and has been out of the game for quite a while. Besides, apart from Siddle, you really couldn't drop anyone from this ODI team as it is - especially not Bollinger, who has been much more effective than Bracken was before he got injured.
King Elvis
30 Jan 2010, 15:39
I first saw Harris as a 17 year old in SACA Grade cricket, and the thing that impressed me most was his ability to give everything he had for the entire day's play, and in those days playing hours were the same as Test cricket.
He bowled something like 26-27 overs that day, all of them at full effort, and his last spell was as quick as his first. I saw Gillespie also as a 17 year old, and I rated Harris a better bowler at the same age.
At the moment, I don't think Harris is as fit as he could be, but continued selection in the Australian team would change all that.
I think Spikey was being facetious?
Bombers_Forever
30 Jan 2010, 15:47
I would rather keep Harris in QLD colours - we have two titles were are in the running for!
Seriously though, Siddle isn't a one day bowler. Let him play for Victoria to get some form at least. Siddle is still there at the moment because of injuries to Hilf, Bracken etc.
Kane McGoodwin
30 Jan 2010, 16:47
Agree with most - Siddle doesn't deserve to stay in the ODI team on current form. Could fight his way back, but needs to find some form/confidence with Vics as struggled all year.
No guarantees either Lee or Bracken will come back & should have to earn it playing well for NSW 1st.
Currently, the 3 quicks deserving selection in our ODI squad are Bolinger, Johnson & Harris. Need to reward form & 2 5 fors can't be ignored even if Pakistan struggling (as still out performed others). Can also get by with 2 quicks + Watson + Hopes if feel need more batting depth (+ Hauritz + Clarke).
I think Spikey was being facetious?
Was defending Siddle bro.
Although it was a good post by AH anyway. Particularly the Gillespie comparison
Look at his Shield form not his ODI form.
BluesMan
30 Jan 2010, 18:20
siddle, bollinger and mckay should be in the team. Should be impossible to drop a man with consecutive 5-fa's. second aussie in ODI's to do so. SIddle is more a test bowler and harris the one dayer.
But its nice to see the ball moving off the straight for once....
TorresIsGod
30 Jan 2010, 18:22
I don't think Siddle should be playing ODI cricket.
There's no reason why Ryan Harris should be dropped after his recent performances.
Sman-21
30 Jan 2010, 18:34
see how well ryan harris is going
Had they picked the replacement on form or stats alone Harris wouldnt of come close to being picked.
This is why stats from our domestic series isnt the best way to pick players, and why people need to learn to ignore stats and pay more attention to actual talent an skill.
Steve Smith will hopefully get picked the same way soon.
King Elvis
30 Jan 2010, 19:17
I don't think Siddle should be playing ODI cricket.
There's no reason why Ryan Harris should be dropped after his recent performances.
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Cousin Jed
30 Jan 2010, 20:58
Look at his Shield form not his ODI form.
Who?
Ill Chicken
31 Jan 2010, 01:43
see how well ryan harris is going
Had they picked the replacement on form or stats alone Harris wouldnt of come close to being picked.
This is why stats from our domestic series isnt the best way to pick players, and why people need to learn to ignore stats and pay more attention to actual talent an skill.
Steve Smith will hopefully get picked the same way soon.
But what is saying the same person who has better stats wouldn't have performed aptly? Just because the skill level is there, doesn't mean the aptitude is.
Dujon11
31 Jan 2010, 17:15
Judas.
And will be roundly booed whenever he returns to Adelaide Oval.
King Elvis
31 Jan 2010, 18:50
Judas.
And will be roundly booed whenever he returns to Adelaide Oval.
Didnt we offer him a pretty crap and pretty short contract just after he won our MVP award?
Kane McGoodwin
31 Jan 2010, 21:57
Didnt we offer him a pretty crap and pretty short contract just after he won our MVP award?
Correct.
SACA, badly stuffed up ... apparently we could afford ou MVP to walk :mad:
Great performances over the 3 games, really took his opportunity with both hands. Relentless and didnt give the batsman a chance. Good luck to him and hopes he gets a gig against the windies
Ill Chicken
1 Feb 2010, 04:25
Great performances over the 3 games, really took his opportunity with both hands. Relentless and didnt give the batsman a chance. Good luck to him and hopes he gets a gig against the windies
Did well against a side down. WI will towel him in most games.
Harris has done enough to ensure he should be picked for WI series and see how that goes. Yet to see much evidence he can bat though.
McKay likewise has been very good, he doesn't excite me to watch but he is a good bowler with some nice slower balls.
Siddle back to Victoria to either rest or play 4 cricket not ODI cricket which he is no good at anyway.
Would like to see Harris & McKay given the bulk of the summer ODI work with the Rug and MJ alternating as 3rd option.
Bracken is finished I think. Been a good ODI bowler for us.
Lee is probably finished but would welcome him back to the ODI team with open arms, he is a world class ODI bowler.
Harris will not be in contention for Test cricket though....
Tambaran
1 Feb 2010, 10:04
Harris should be in contention for Tests if he keeps performing in Shield.
As for McKay, cannot see him making the transition to Tests - vanilla as they come.
Harris should be in contention for Tests if he keeps performing in Shield.
As for McKay, cannot see him making the transition to Tests - vanilla as they come.
Agree on McKay, just don't think he has enough tricks, pace or bounce to get Test batsmen out. Looks a great ODI prospect though and useful depth for the Test team.
Our ODI bowling attack right now should be Johnson, Harris, McKay and Hauritz.
Do I think the form of players like Harris, McKay and Bollinger will hold up against more capable sides in ODI's? No. But right now with players like Hilfenhaus and Bracken still injured, we have no other options.
Some of you need to get a bloody idea.
Harris yes i agree is a very good one day bowler, but to give him a gig at test level is a bit absurd. Dougie and Mitch are penciled in to the team, and the real battle is between hilfy and siddle for the last pace bowler spot. Siddle is a proven baller at test level taking bags against the poms and south africans, he had an off test summer full of bad luck.
Australia Test Pecking Order imo
M.Jhonson
D.Bollinger
P.Siddle
B.Hilfenhaus
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R.Harris
C.Mckay
B.Lee etc
The Falcon Strike
2 Feb 2010, 18:36
Some of you need to get a bloody idea.
Harris yes i agree is a very good one day bowler, but to give him a gig at test level is a bit absurd. Dougie and Mitch are penciled in to the team, and the real battle is between hilfy and siddle for the last pace bowler spot. Siddle is a proven baller at test level taking bags against the poms and south africans, he had an off test summer full of bad luck.
Australia Test Pecking Order imo
M.Jhonson
D.Bollinger
P.Siddle
B.Hilfenhaus
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R.Harris
C.Mckay
B.Lee etc
Disagree slightly
I'd have Hilf and Johnson as the locks
With Bollinger edging Siddle.
Edit: and I am getting super excited by J Pattison - looking forward to seeing him at the WACA sometime soon!
Some of you need to get a bloody idea.
Harris yes i agree is a very good one day bowler, but to give him a gig at test level is a bit absurd. Dougie and Mitch are penciled in to the team, and the real battle is between hilfy and siddle for the last pace bowler spot. Siddle is a proven baller at test level taking bags against the poms and south africans, he had an off test summer full of bad luck.
Australia Test Pecking Order imo
M.Jhonson
D.Bollinger
P.Siddle
B.Hilfenhaus
------------------
R.Harris
C.Mckay
B.Lee etc
How is Hilfy behind Bollinger, and especially Siddle?
It would go:
Johnson
Hilfenhaus
Bollinger
Siddle (Battle between these two for the third spot)
McKay
King Elvis
2 Feb 2010, 20:42
Siddle is a proven baller at test level taking bags against the poms and south africans, he had an off test summer full of bad luck.
I'm a Siddle fan, but he was average at best in the Ashes.
Average of 31ish, and from memory. of his 20 wickets, 13 of them were batting at 9/10/11.
He's a goer and he's got a future, but let's not get carried away, he's not a walk up start just yet.
Pecking order, IMO, is;
Johnson
Hilfy
Bollinger
Siddle
S Clark (haha, yea right, Selectors hate him)
Harris
Mackay
Agree on McKay, just don't think he has enough tricks, pace or bounce to get Test batsmen out. Looks a great ODI prospect though and useful depth for the Test team.
He's done the job for the Vics in 4 day cricket. Can extract some bounce off a good length, that's how he troubles batsman...
I think a lot of people write him off because he doesn't bowl 140+ like most bowlers do these days... But the likes of McGrath and Clark have done really well at test level bowling 130-140kph, because they can extract that extra bounce, like McKay does
barry fu
3 Feb 2010, 03:06
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Strewth, his nose is like Mr Potato Heads :eek:
He's done the job for the Vics in 4 day cricket. Can extract some bounce off a good length, that's how he troubles batsman...
I think a lot of people write him off because he doesn't bowl 140+ like most bowlers do these days... But the likes of McGrath and Clark have done really well at test level bowling 130-140kph, because they can extract that extra bounce, like McKay does
I am not writing him off but I am yet to be convinced...
Also remain unconvinced by the Rug although he bowled well this summer....
Did well against a side down. WI will towel him in most games.
WI may do better against him (relatively speaking), but I doubt that they have the batting lineup (Gayle aside) to towel him - not with the way he's been bowling.
Adelaide Hawk
3 Feb 2010, 16:15
Harris yes i agree is a very good one day bowler, but to give him a gig at test level is a bit absurd. Dougie and Mitch are penciled in to the team, and the real battle is between hilfy and siddle for the last pace bowler spot.
Yep, all things being equal at this point, the top three pacemen in Australia are:
Bollinger
Hilfenhaus
Johnson
Dougie uses the new ball better than any bowler I've seen since McGrath, and Lillee before him. Hilfenhaus' swing is invaluable, and you just have to play Johnson because a wicket could fall at any time with him bowling.
Siddle gives it everything he's got but at times lacks a little in the tactical part of the game.
Dougie uses the new ball better than any bowler I've seen since McGrath, and Lillee before him.
You need to watch some more cricket....and maybe wait until you see Bollinger bowl against sides other than Pakistan and the West Indies.
Ill Chicken
3 Feb 2010, 20:18
You need to watch some more cricket....and maybe wait until you see Bollinger bowl against sides other than Pakistan and the West Indies.
And India.
The guy is exactly what we needed.
Adelaide Hawk
5 Feb 2010, 20:47
You need to watch some more cricket....and maybe wait until you see Bollinger bowl against sides other than Pakistan and the West Indies.
And you need to find out what bowling is all about.
The Falcon Strike
5 Feb 2010, 21:41
Dougie uses the new ball better than any bowler I've seen since McGrath, and Lillee before him. Hilfenhaus' swing is invaluable, and you just have to play Johnson because a wicket could fall at any time with him bowling.
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Hilfenhaus uses the ball better than bollinger
As did Gillespie, As did Alderman, As did McDermott
Ill Chicken
6 Feb 2010, 04:35
Hilfenhaus uses the ball better than bollinger
As did Gillespie, As did Alderman, As did McDermott
No they didn't. This is the beginning of a career whereas you are looking at in each a 10 years worth of a career where only Gillespie will be able to (in speculation by my part) be worth comparing to with Bollinger when it comes down to it. If you want to use that Alderman took 80 wickets against England as your defining factor, go a head.
The Falcon Strike
6 Feb 2010, 09:21
No they didn't. This is the beginning of a career whereas you are looking at in each a 10 years worth of a career where only Gillespie will be able to (in speculation by my part) be worth comparing to with Bollinger when it comes down to it. If you want to use that Alderman took 80 wickets against England as your defining factor, go a head.
Yes they did - bollinger is a good bowler - but saying he is a better new ball bowler then the 4 i mentioned based on a handful of tests against sub-standard batsmen is folly at best and well, less complimentary at worst.
I like the fact thet he puts in good areas regularly - and thus provides a good downwind option with the new ball.
However the 4 I mention still have him covered. I'd even throw Bruce Reid and Stuart Clark in as well
Ill Chicken
6 Feb 2010, 09:58
Yes they did - bollinger is a good bowler - but saying he is a better new ball bowler then the 4 i mentioned based on a handful of tests against sub-standard batsmen is folly at best and well, less complimentary at worst.
I like the fact thet he puts in good areas regularly - and thus provides a good downwind option with the new ball.
However the 4 I mention still have him covered. I'd even throw Bruce Reid and Stuart Clark in as well
Again, you can't judge Bollinger at the start of his career. His impact on the side has been huge and comparable with when McGrath went from being a prospect to full time.
The Falcon Strike
6 Feb 2010, 14:15
Again, you can't judge Bollinger at the start of his career. His impact on the side has been huge and comparable with when McGrath went from being a prospect to full time.
you are the one judging him - saying he is the best new ball bowler we've had in 30 years besides lillee and mcgrath.
right now he has a handful ow wickets against substandard batsman - and you want to hail him the 3rd coming
let's wait until he's had 30 tests under his belt - then perhaps he can eclipse those i have mentioned. right now - he is nought more than a new bowler with a bit of form - not the 3rd best new ball bowler we have produced in 3 decades
YouDontKnowJack
6 Feb 2010, 15:02
Rhino deserves a longer run in ODI's.
I'm a huge fan of Siddle, I'm also Victorian and grew up in the same town as Siddle (in fact, lived across the road from the oval where he played junior cricket). So it pains me to say this, but I don't think Siddle is ODI standard. Might also get pushed out by the Rug in test matches.
Is Hilfy fit for the NZ tour?
Ill Chicken
6 Feb 2010, 21:16
you are the one judging him
WTF?
- saying he is the best new ball bowler we've had in 30 years besides lillee and mcgrath.
You are the one saying that. I am saying he is comparable to McGrath in the way they both started out.
right now he has a handful ow wickets against substandard batsman - and you want to hail him the 3rd coming
It's not the wickets he has taken, it is how he has taken them.
let's wait until he's had 30 tests under his belt - then perhaps he can eclipse those i have mentioned. right now - he is nought more than a new bowler with a bit of form - not the 3rd best new ball bowler we have produced in 3 decades
Didn't I already say that.