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is it me or have the lions been on the wrong side of the ledger with the free kick count every game this season ?? what goes on ,i feel its time questions were asked ,is it a even out attempt to bring us back to the pack ??
the cats game was a classic two sets of rules one for the lions and one for the cats just look at the voss and white free kicks to the cats.
come on umpires lets be a little more even
there were some shockers in a row in the 3rd quarter.... the rest of the game was less noticeable..
would like to know if the umpire who made the decisions against voss (down field) and white (interference on marking) have played the game before... especially whitey, who showed only eyes for the ball and courage running back in to the pack. if that was a free kick then browney's mark of the year last year was a free kick... you want to encourage that, not punish it.
Mr Ripper
5 May 2003, 12:09
Those two decisions you mention were two of the worst you'd ever see. The White one was just plain wrong; the Voss one was debatable whether it was there or not using the strictest possible interpretation of the law, but clearly should have been let go.
I expect the maggots responsible will get a week off to think about their misdemeanors.
Otherwise, it was business as usual. I think there was only about 20 frees paid for the game - which in a scrappy match is, generally speaking, too few.
Overall, I didn't think they were too bad. I stress OVERALL.
It's those 3 or 4 " from left field" decisions per match that drive everyone crazy.
The 3 from this match were the Voss tackle, the White attempt to mark and the holding the ball against Leppa. I also believe we were robbed of two clear marks. One was Chris Scott's in the second half there was another one somewhere that can't recall the exact details of right now.
The 50 agaiinst Michael/Johnson was pedantic but so was the one Lappin got for the jumper tug, so that evened out.
I guess every team gets a few bum calls now and then, but the 3 or 4 we get always seem to happen in Melbourne and to my mind, verge on "hometown" decisions.
You often hear umpires and their bosses waffling on how they are never influenced by the crowd or the state of the match but I find that very difficult to accept.
cjwalkley
5 May 2003, 14:00
One of the Umpires in charge on Sunday actually worked for the Lions in the Victorian office for awhile!!
my problem is every week we get less free kicks then the opposition home or away . i find this very strange when you consider we generaly play the ball and not the man.
it would be interesting to find out the last time we got more free kicks than who we were playing
The umpires were more inconsistent, than incorrect.
There was no consistency in regards to holding-the-ball.
I am not overly fussed about the various decisions in themselves, because that is all just part-and-parcel of the game. However, it is damn-right annoying when there is no consistency throughout the game, or from one umpire to the next.
Also, the umpires seemed reluctant to call play-on when they had given a free-kick, but the ball had spilled loose in an unobstrusive manner. Personally, I find this annoying, as it stops the natural flow of the game, making it all a very un-entertaining, stop-start affair.
Originally posted by cjwalkley
One of the Umpires in charge on Sunday actually worked for the Lions in the Victorian office for awhile!!
Wouldn't have been No. 15 would it?
Both sides received some dodgy frees, you got a couple of goals from soft free kicks and so did we. But overall they didn't have a huge influence on the game, although they did rob our momentum when Ablett's goal was disallowed because Chapman illegally shepherded Johnson out of the way, when all that happened was that Johnson fell over and the goal should have stood.
But your second quarter did the damage. But I was surprised with how close we came to beating you.
The decision against Voss's tackle was similar to the one against Scott in the GF which got Rocca a goal. Questionable at best!
Methinks our agression over the past couple of years, after the ball has departed a contest, may be coming back to bite us on the derriere. Not saying this is what our players did on Sunday, just that maybe the umpire's are on the lookout for it. We still give away a lot of down-field free-kicks for this sort of thing, usually when the opposition's in possession, so it matters little. Sometimes we may pay for this. We tread a fine line.
I always feel the umpires pay far too many free kicks against the Scott Bros. It's like back in schoolyard where the teacher over umpires to give the smaller,less talented and not so brave kids a kick. The umpires almost soil their pants when Chris and Brad attack the ball like bull terriers after a bone. Come on umps this is a game for men.
Originally posted by troppo
I always feel the umpires pay far too many free kicks against the Scott Bros. It's like back in schoolyard where the teacher over umpires to give the smaller,less talented and not so brave kids a kick. The umpires almost soil their pants when Chris and Brad attack the ball like bull terriers after a bone. Come on umps this is a game for men.
Hear,hear!
Brad or Chris or both have only got to look like they are angry or are thinking about being naughty, or are going to question the Umps decision and they are right on to them.
Remember the shocker "deliberate" OOB near the end of the drawn Kangaroos game a few weeks ago?
Paid against one C.Scott!!!
Call me a cynic if you like, but I found it a little more than co-incidental that the SAME umpire had given a 50m penalty against Chris Scott earlier in the game for having the temerity to query an obviously bad decision.
Could you imagine them pinging Hird, Buckley, or any of the AFL's "nice" players for a similar "deliberate" OOB at a critical stage of a close match?
I can't.
There was a holding-the-ball decision (in the last quarter?) that was very iffy, following as it did two or three similar actions that did not receive a penalty just seconds before. Of course, those would have been against Geelong.
goaldrush
6 May 2003, 15:28
Originally posted by Mr Ripper
Those two decisions you mention were two of the worst you'd ever see. The White one was just plain wrong; the Voss one was debatable whether it was there or not using the strictest possible interpretation of the law, but clearly should have been let go.
I expect the maggots responsible will get a week off to think about their misdemeanors.
Otherwise, it was business as usual. I think there was only about 20 frees paid for the game - which in a scrappy match is, generally speaking, too few. The Voss one was there. Agree with ya on the White one.
Oh yeah, Matty Nicholls is a twin of Kieron nicholls. They are both policemen.
The only decent thing I can say about the umpires was that they bounced the ball well all day for a change.
Maybe that's their problem.
Maybe they're concentrating so hard on their next bounce, they are forgetting what the rules of the game are.:rolleyes:
Mr Ripper
8 May 2003, 19:22
Originally posted by Slax
The only decent thing I can say about the umpires was that they bounced the ball well all day for a change. Well they get more than enough practice. Some frees would be nice for a change.
campbell
8 May 2003, 19:28
As few weeks ago pror to a match at the Gabba, Pikey was having a lend by bouncing the ball in the middle.Tell u what he did a far better job than the umpires did that day.
It's time they started just throwing the #@&?!! thing up in the air for the around the ground ruck contests.
And quickly.
A lot of time is wasted with the bum-wiggling and deep concentration on trying to get the bounce right (which as we know, they have very limited success at).
It also allows time for both sides to get large numbers around a ruck contest, thereby increasing the chances of another stalemate. This is a huge advantage to a side trying to protect a skinny lead in the last few minutes of a game.
Thowing it up would surely reduce the number of "repeat" ball-ups that are commonplace AND boring. The worst part of our game is the grid-iron like pile ups that occur as a result of inconclusive ball-ups.
Maybe throwing it up it would also reduce the incidence of player contact, since the Umpies would have better peripheral vision, instead of staring intently at a spot on the ground.